Egypt

[Nevuk]

This is rather important. The internet was shut down and protests are ongoing. The headquarters for the disliked political party is apparently burning, as are some police stations. Watching the al-jazeera live stream is pretty intense, you can hear chanting, shouting, and explosions/gunfire in the background.


A few resources :
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/28/egypt-protests-live-updates (Guardian's live blog, very detailed)


In some places apparently police refused to fire tear gas canisters.

edit: I'm going to attach a bit more stuff before going to class.

http://i.imgur.com/rcPGl.jpg

(sign says leave, leave, mubarak) http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/f9a2m/a_picture_i_took_yesterday_in_tahri r_square_cairo/

A few of the live posts :

2.50pm: (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/28/egypt-protests-live-updates#block-64)CloseLink to this update: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/28/egypt-protests-live-updates#block-64 Rawya Rageh, for al-Jazeera, says she has seen evidence of a protester killed in Alexandria, a bloody body being held aloft through the streets with people chanting "There is no God but God". She adds that police have now been overrun by protesters in the city. 3.30pm: (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/28/egypt-protests-live-updates#block-73)CloseLink to this update: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/28/egypt-protests-live-updates#block-73 Egyptian state media is reporting a curfew starting at 6pm tonight (about 30 minutes away) and running until 7am tomorrow in Cairo, Alexandria and Suez.
The way it's looking on the streets at the moment suggests there is little chance of people obeying the order and what can the police actually do to enforce it.
3.56pm: (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/28/egypt-protests-live-updates#block-79)CloseLink to this update: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/28/egypt-protests-live-updates#block-79 Murabak ordered the military onto the streets, according to al-Jazeera, citing state media.3.55pm: (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/28/egypt-protests-live-updates#block-78)CloseLink to this update: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/28/egypt-protests-live-updates#block-78 Mubarak is due to address the nation in the next few minutes. Al-Jazeera's offices in Cairo are being raided by police. They are being told to stop broadcasting images of the unrest.

[Theseventhson]

I've been watching that livestream for about the past hour or so, this is absolutely insane.

[neo506]

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfqnfmKbFs1qzpwi0o1_500.jpg

[studskalny]

Yeah the stream is pretty intense. The biggest thing that I've heard so far was that the military vehicles were being cheered and giving thumbs up and stuff to the protesters. Makes me wonder what the gunfire noises have been for the last hour.

[maxvsmaradona]

In Egypt, the internet really is serious business.

[saysmydoctor]

Go figure the US doesn't support this.

[Dre Okorley]

I have three words to contribute to this situation at the moment: Fuck yeah, Egypt.

[CarouselBoy]

this is pretty intense.

Also,

In response, the government had vowed to crack down on demonstrations and arrest those participating in them. It has blocked internet, mobile phone and SMS services in order to disrupt the planned demonstrations.

Before Egypt shut down internet access on Thursday night, activists were posting and exchanging messages using social networking services such as Facebook and Twitter, listing more than 30 mosques and churches where protesters were to organise on Friday.

from http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/01/201112816845606511.html

[CarouselBoy]

that blog update from the guardian is a good source of what's going on minute to minute

[Debut_Fin]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/1/28/1296226326822/Riot-police-fire-water-ca-018.jpg

I don't think people realize how important this is. This is so sad and amazing at the same time.

[bNz719]

Truly a historic and revolutionary moment for Egypt right now.

[jawstheme]

The blockage of information is scary. I wish the protestors in Egypt the best right now. Every freedom loving person in the world should be pulling for them.

[Clamence]

Go figure the US doesn't support this.

Many reasons for this:
- Egypt is not Tunisia, Moubarak was an army officer and won't be as easily abandonned as Ben Ali by the army, therefore if the US take position and the event turn in favor of Moubarak their relationship will be compromised
- Egypt is an essential partner in the negociation between Israel and Palestine, if the government is dismissed chaos might ensue not only in the country but in the whole region.
- The Muslim Brotherhood (oldest and largest islamic group) is really powerful in Egypt whereas Ben Ali was very harsh on any islamic activity in Tunisia and occidental countries would rather keep dealing with a dictator like Moubarak than with another Iran or Afghanistan.

Props to the Egyptian people for standing up, hope things work out for the best.

[anthonydarko]

Wow, that's intense.

[tkamB]

Gotta love the US. Always talking about promoting democracy and freedom in the middle east while simultaneously backing a dictator trying to suppress freedom and democracy in the middle east.

[Simulcast]

I hope the radicals don't take advantage of this. What a shame that would be.

[Simulcast]

By the way, our leaders are clueless (http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110125/APW/1101251295).

[Nevuk]

America is really just playing it very safe. They haven't come out in support of mubarak, in fact Gibb's said pretty blatantly that they neither approved or disapproved of him recently. A lot of the middle east shit america is to blame, but in this i think not doing anything either way may be the best option to take (because they'd inevitably make horrible things happen if they helped overthrow mubarak).

[bNz719]

I think the fact that both the U.S., and especially the Egyptian army haven't voiced its' support for Mubarak says a lot about the gravity of the situation and the extent to which the Egyptian government is losing control. The fact that they're not voicing their support for the protestors is, in my opinion, the U.S. playing things safe, in case that order is restored with Mubarak still in power.

[crackedthesky]

I find it ironic that we'll gladly overthrow leaders who were actually elected by their people, but we won't overthrow dictators the people overwhelmingly disapprove of. At the same time, I can understand why it's hard to take sides. It's not as simple as Obama saying "protestors, woo!" and that magically making things better for everyone. If Egypt overthrows their leader, we can't really control who gets put into place. I haven't been following this too closely, but I think they're saying the guy the people want is a Nobel Peace Prize winner. As great as it would be to have him in office, it's not that simple. You can't just go kill a leader and put a random person you like in his place. Even if there was some guarantee that it would go that way, the U.S. and certainly the President wouldn't openly say that's what they wish to happen.

In my heart I wish the best for the people of Egypt. I hope they gain their freedom. But it just isn't as simple as "kill person A, put person B in place," unless the entirety or majority of the government, military, and all those closest to person A happen to be in on it.

[Dre Okorley]

America is really just playing it very safe. They haven't come out in support of mubarak, in fact Gibb's said pretty blatantly that they neither approved or disapproved of him recently. A lot of the middle east shit america is to blame, but in this i think not doing anything either way may be the best option to take (because they'd inevitably make horrible things happen if they helped overthrow mubarak).

I wouldn't be so sure about that (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/egypt-barack-obama-joe/2011/01/28/id/384247).

Edit: I don't know how blatant is blatant, but it couldn't be more so than that.

[Beyondclarity]

I'm a little behind on all the details but I ALWAYS support people rising up against their govt. Someday maybe the people of the US will take their govt back too...We can only hope.

[tkamB]

News Hour anchor Shihab al-Rattansi repeatedly pushed Crowley to own up to the hypocrisy and absurdity of the administration's position of offering mild criticism of Mubarak while continuing to ply him with billions of dollars in aid and political support. When pressed about how the US-backed security services are beating and torturing and even killing protesters, and whether it wasn't time for the US to consider discontinuing aid, Crowley responded that "we don't see this as an either or [a minute later, he said "zero sum"] proposition. Egypt is a friend of the US, is an anchor of stability and helping us pursue peace in the Middle East".

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/01/201112811331582261.html


They may not be saying it with words, but they are saying it with money.

[Simulcast]

Ghost post.

[The Indigo]

Follow this list for up to date news on the situation.

@AntDeRosa/Egypt

[germypill]

This reminds me of a South Park episode. sortof.

[bNz719]

^ :-|

Obama Poised to Intensify U.S. Criticism of Egypt’s Mubarak (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-01-27/obama-poised-to-intensify-u-s-criticism-of-egypt-s-mubarak.html)

[inthemidst]

I wouldn't be so sure about that (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/egypt-barack-obama-joe/2011/01/28/id/384247).

Edit: I don't know how blatant is blatant, but it couldn't be more so than that.

Wow. Not an expert on these kinds of situations, but I believe if there are tens of thousands of people protesting against a national leader, who's been reigning for 30 years, then you probably should admit that he's a dictator, and an oppressive one at that.

[The Indigo]

President Mubarak has asked the government to resign.

[Broken Parachute]

This is insane, but incredibly inspiring. Mubarak spoke for about nine minutes and asked the government to resign by tomorrow.

[Simulcast]

http://totallycoolpix.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/28012011_egypte_riots/egypte_30.jpg

http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2011/1/28/2011128163927181112_20.jpg

Not to make light of the situation, but that last picture should be an album cover.

[J.C.]

The whole government except for the part that includes him.

[Simulcast]

The whole government that doesn't include him.

Power hungry dictator to be sure.

[Simulcast]

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[bNz719]

Removing the government but keeping himself in power will do nothing to stop the protesters.

[Tyler Vagyler]

So he asked the government to resign, but he will stay in office?

[Broken Parachute]

Uc000YDVY5o

[Simulcast]

Someone gonna make a Yemen thread in the next few days? Maybe we should call this the "Middle East Revolution Thread".

[Simulcast]

The army is protecting the Egyptian Museum (http://english.cri.cn/6966/2011/01/29/2021s618183.htm).

It would be horrible if that was destroyed.

[Broken Parachute]

Obama just spoke. It seems like he isn't picking sides here, or more accurately, he took both sides.

[The Indigo]

Someone gonna make a Yemen thread in the next few days? Maybe we should call this the "Middle East Revolution Thread".
This. We'd need one for Syria and Morroco as well.

Obama just spoke. It seems like he isn't picking sides here, or more accurately, he took both sides.
You're either pro-Democracy or you're pro-Mubarak's regime. I don't see how the Obama administration can pretend they can be on both sides.

[Healthy Scratch]

http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2011/1/28/2011128163927181112_20.jpg


sammy sosa?

[Broken Parachute]

You're either pro-Democracy or you're pro-Mubarak's regime. I don't see how the Obama administration can pretend they can be on both sides.At first, he praised democracy and the citizens' rights to protest and assemble, then said he spoke with Mubarak and is willing to work with their government. I would have to hear the speech again, but it seemed very neutral. He did ask Mubarak to lift the internet/phone blackout though.

[Tyler Vagyler]

You're either pro-Democracy or you're pro-Mubarak's regime. I don't see how the Obama administration can pretend they can be on both sides.

I'd imagine there is more to it than that.

[studskalny]

Obama just spoke. It seems like he isn't picking sides here, or more accurately, he took both sides.

Holy shit, just say we support the people and stop making us look even worse. Grrrrrrr.

[Love As Arson]

At this point, is anyone surprised that the United States might support a totalitarian regime?

[AdamJL]

Gotta love the US. Always talking about promoting democracy and freedom in the middle east while simultaneously backing a dictator trying to suppress freedom and democracy in the middle east.

The US government only supports democracy when it's convenient for our own agenda unfortunately.

In a way, this could be good for the US though. I know that may be a selfish was of looking it but last year there were talks of trying to get our internet system the way countries like Egypt have it. The American politicians who proposed this claimed that it was to protect us from terrorism but I would bet all the money that I have that if something like this happened in the US, and the government could... they would turn the internet off in a second. Hopefully this will take some Americans heads out of their asses.

[GuitarR0cker1]

This article (http://www.lrb.co.uk/v32/n10/adam-shatz/mubaraks-last-breath) explains everything you need to know about Mubarak's regime and the state of Egypt over the past 30 years in a nutshell.

[Love As Arson]

I think it is amusing that the Obama administration is urging the protests to remain peaceful because it will not lead to any substantive change, especially considering it efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Violence isn't an end unto itself, but strategic violence against institutions of repression is the key to a successful revolution.

[oldwirehands]

At this point, is anyone surprised that the United States might support a totalitarian regime?

hahaha I was gonna say the same thing.

[JuneJuly]

sammy sosa?

Sammy is way whiter than that.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

The army is protecting the Egyptian Museum (http://english.cri.cn/6966/2011/01/29/2021s618183.htm).

It would be horrible if that was destroyed.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110129/stage_nm/us_egypt_museum

[Simulcast]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110129/stage_nm/us_egypt_museum

Fuck me. That's one of the dangers with these protests. It brings out the worst in people.

[kaylasananjou]

I really want to keep up with this. I feel that a lot of people my age refuse to keep on on current events, and I hate not knowing what's going on. That being said, this is amazing. Go Egypt.

[AP_Punk]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk34/feministing/soldierkissegypt.png

[Kyle Garchar]

I'd imagine there is more to it than that.$$$$$$$$

[domotime2]

what are the other countries' stance on this?

[Nuns On A Bus]

This is incredible. It's amazing that a guy lighting himself on fire can lead to all of this!

[joelabz]

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[LiquorAndDick]

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/mehdi-hasan/2011/01/hosni-mubarak-egypt-united

Why is previous US/UK policy being disregarded?

[caveBEAR]

al-Jazzera was shut down in Cairo.

[knowthisx]

This article (http://www.lrb.co.uk/v32/n10/adam-shatz/mubaraks-last-breath) explains everything you need to know about Mubarak's regime and the state of Egypt over the past 30 years in a nutshell.

Thank you, I've been looking for something like this.

[bNz719]

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
Massive rally in Tahrir Square right now. And it looks like the protesters are allowing El-Baradei to spearhead this protest, whereas before there was consensus on who the protesters backed.

[Zeran]

i wonder if the u.s. had not invaded iraq in 2003, would there be huge protests there now?

[badger52683]

It is funny how the US calls for peace. Revolutionary War? Anyone?

[domotime2]

what are the other countries' stance on this?

[Matt Chylak]

not only don't they have internet...it moved!
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907270040

[esposimi]

Good luck to anyone trying to get out of the country.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/01/31/egypt.evacuations/index.html?on.cnn=2

[xxemo_kittyxx]

Can someone fill me in on why they decided to take down the internet in the first place?

[J.C.]

Can someone fill me in on why they decided to take down the internet in the first place?

To stop the flow of information out of the country?

[bNz719]

To stop the flow of information out of the country?

This and to disrupt the protests.

[DrStrong]

My company has an office in Cairo, which is now closed due to all of the crap going on over there. We are also not allowed to fly into Egypt.

[Nuns On A Bus]

not only don't they have internet...it moved!
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907270040

I love the comments on that.


Can someone fill me in on why they decided to take down the internet in the first place?

It was to disrupt the protests as someone said, because they were organizing mostly through facebook/twitter etc.

[Dre Okorley]

Yeah, 1) we won't know what's going on/they won't be organized, and 2) people won't be able to get in touch with relatives abroad, etc. It's totally fucked no matter which angle you're observing it from.

[xxemo_kittyxx]

To stop the flow of information out of the country?
What kind of information?

[Dre Okorley]

:hitself:

[Alou]

What kind of information?

All the negative information about the government. I think a bigger part of it was stopping protesters for organizing, but they also want to try and control the situation and what the international community perceives.

Watching Al Jazeera's stream. Apparently a large protest/march through Cairo is happening today in a few hours. Glad the military is trying to keep everything civil and not overextending themselves. Not sure what I think of Elbaradei yet. Anyone know anything about him other than his Nobel Peace Prize?

[JuneJuly]

He was a UN Weapons Inspector, I think. (?)

[sjb2k1]

no internet or cell phones? best get to morse codin it up independence day style.

[The Indigo]

I'd imagine there is more to it than that.
I don't think so. Yeah, I get that it is important for Obama's political appearance both nationally and abroad that he does not take a firm stance on either side, but Mubarak has showed over the past 30 years that he is an enemy of Democracy. I believe that every person has the right to choose their government (and choose whether or not they want to be governed, but that's a whole other issue) and be able to live in a Democratic society. The protesters in Egypt are urging that right, a right that America has been, literally, forcing upon countries for years through our foreign policy. If Obama really believed in Democracy, he'd come out in full support of the protesters.

Basically, our leaders don't believe in anything but their own creation known as the political system.

[JuneJuly]

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That is as terrified as I've ever seen a human being.

[domotime2]

Glen Beck just declared this the beginning of WW3.

[J.C.]

What kind of information?

The actions the Egyptian government was taking against its citizens.

[Simulcast]

U.S. open to a role for Islamists in new Egypt government (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-us-egypt-20110201,0,7079100.story?track=rss)

[JuneJuly]

Reports are that 2 MILLION people gathered for the march...insane.

[studskalny]

Yeah I just turned on the stream. That is crazy! I am sitting here in awe of how many people came out. Especially when you take in the numbers from the other cities/towns. I don't think they are marching yet, perhaps later in the week.

[caveBEAR]

A member at the golf club I work at just told me everything happening in Eygpt is being fueled by the Muslim Brotherhood (of Evil Mutants) in order to test Obama.

Fucking thanks, Glenn.

[saysmydoctor]

Mubarak is giving a speech tonight, not expected to run for reelection.

Wow, who the fuck knew freedom doesn't require a US-led invasion for it to occur?

[deanster321]

A member at the golf club I work at just told me everything happening in Eygpt is being fueled by the Muslim Brotherhood (of Evil Mutants) in order to test Obama.

Fucking thanks, Glenn.
Was it Senator Robert Kelly?

[perceptrons]

U.S. open to a role for Islamists in new Egypt government (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-us-egypt-20110201,0,7079100.story?track=rss)
Not specifically addressing you, but who cares what the US is open to? It's not our country.

[secretsociety92]

no internet or cell phones? best get to morse codin it up independence day style.

Haha.

[sjb2k1]

Haha.
sweet jesus was i high when i wrote that.

[secretsociety92]

sweet jesus was i high when i wrote that.
Funny nonetheless.

[Nuns On A Bus]

Not specifically addressing you, but who cares what the US is open to? It's not our country.

Well I imagine everyone in Egypt cares considering the amount of money they get in aid from the US.

[saysmydoctor]

Well I imagine everyone in Egypt cares considering the amount of money they get in aid from the US.
I doubt your avergage Egyptian would notice if the money disappeared. Some in the military probably would though.

[J.C.]

They'd notice the dearth of tear gas.

[Dre Okorley]

I know this is serious business going on right now, but holy lol :lol:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/02/01/the-mubarek-song-by-johnny-punish-–-ya-mubarek-get-out/

[sjb2k1]

x4bMI4h8mOw&feature=youtu.be

That is as terrified as I've ever seen a human being.
i don't think there's any handgun in the world that has enough bullets to stop that crowd from overwhelming one guy. i'd be shitting my pants too. damn. this stuff is so crazy.

[Nuns On A Bus]

I doubt your avergage Egyptian would notice if the money disappeared. Some in the military probably would though.

Probably true. Perhaps the new government will use the money to actually help the people? You never know, miracles can happen!

[JuneJuly]

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/16786/slide_16786_233954_large.jpg

[Dre Okorley]

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/16786/slide_16786_233954_large.jpg

Wow, that's ill.

[studskalny]

So I'm watching the stream now, and it's turning even more insane. There's a huge standoff between pro and anti regime supporters and apparently the pro Mubarak supporters are throwing stones/attacking a shit ton of people. But really, it's just a mass amount of people so I'm assuming it's hard to tell who is doing what. It's pretty riveting to hearing the reporter in the middle of everything.

[LiquorAndDick]

This is really intense right now.

[Simulcast]

This was not unexpected.

[GuitarR0cker1]

PH7GPPpsw6g

THE WHOLE WORLD IS STARTING TO IMPLODE

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[punkerno1]

peace n love

[Tyler Vagyler]

PH7GPPpsw6g

THE WHOLE WORLD IS STARTING TO IMPLODE

x

My response to Glenn:

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[GuitarR0cker1]

Who is watching the Al-Jazeera stream right now? It's insane, there's gunfire everywhere and apparently tanks are moving in on the anti-government protesters.

[DaKilla623]

Protest and survive.

[Nuns On A Bus]

Yikes, this really isn't looking good. Watching the stream it's almost constant gunfire in the background.

Edit: the reporter just said that she saw people shooting into unarmed crowds

[Tyler Vagyler]

Scary stuff

[domotime2]

PH7GPPpsw6g

THE WHOLE WORLD IS STARTING TO IMPLODE

x
i posted about this a few days ago...the man is insane.

[tkamB]

So the Mubarak supporters have been identified has policeman, they are throwing molotov cocktails and shooting at the peaceful protesters, and yet the Egyptian Army hasn't stepped up to protect the Egyptian people. This isn't a good sign.

[Nuns On A Bus]

Seems like the army is pulling an Italy and just trying not to pick a side so that they can be allied with whoever comes out on top.

[Simulcast]

Seems like the army is pulling an Italy and just trying not to pick a side so that they can be allied with whoever comes out on top.

Italy picked sides. What are you talking about?

[Nuns On A Bus]

Italy picked sides. What are you talking about?

It was just a joke because they're stereotyped as just joining the side in both world wars that they thought would benefit them the most after the wars.

[sjb2k1]

no, not his pretty, pretty face!
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/02/anderson-cooper-among-many-journalists-attacked-in-cairo/

[NotebookMusic]

Yes. "Fuck yeah, Egypt" is right, lol.
They're going to keep fighting until things change over there. I love it.

[icantdecide]

PH7GPPpsw6g

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[Nuns On A Bus]

ABC news reporter Brian Hartman threatened with beheading (http://abcnews.go.com/International/abc-reporter-threatened-beheading-covering-egypt-uprising/story?id=12832774)

[icantdecide]

ABC news reporter Brian Hartman threatened with beheading (http://abcnews.go.com/International/abc-reporter-threatened-beheading-covering-egypt-uprising/story?id=12832774g)
Link doesn't work.

[Nuns On A Bus]

Link doesn't work.

should work now, whoops

[Simulcast]

http://media.timesfreepress.com/img/news/tease/2011/01/31/110201_Egypt.jpg

[Oddpac87]

Christian protesters protecting Muslim protesters while they pray.

http://i.imgur.com/NhC4m.jpg

[perceptrons]

http://media.timesfreepress.com/img/news/tease/2011/01/31/110201_Egypt.jpg
You seem a bit pessimistic about Egypt's future.

[jawstheme]

Christian protesters protecting Muslim protesters while they pray.

http://i.imgur.com/NhC4m.jpg
:-)

[perceptrons]

:-)
That was my reaction, just a smile.

[Simulcast]

You seem a bit pessimistic about Egypt's future.


I am worried, yes.

[perceptrons]

I am worried, yes.
From everything I've read, an Iran-like outcome is rather unlikely.

[studskalny]

I was worried when they started getting attacked, but I have also been amazed by the organization of the protesters since then. The way they are setting up checkpoints and medical tents and stuff is just awesome. And it's not like they're getting help from the police or the army, either.

[open mind]

it's to early for me to form a definitive opinion on what's going on in egypt right now......but i hope it all ends up in an improvement in their daily lives for years to come.

[caveBEAR]

I don't see how anyone can view this as a bad thing. Best of luck to them.

[Nuns On A Bus]

Uh, it's bad because it's the beginning of WW3 obviously.

[daftpunker45]

if obama sends troops to egypt, we might have really big mess on our hands

[loveisdead]

Chomsky weighs in. (http://socialistworker.org/blog/critical-reading/2011/02/02/chomsky-uprisings-arab-world)

[bNz719]

if obama sends troops to egypt, we might have really big mess on our hands

Wait, what? Who said anything about sending US troops to Egypt?

[daftpunker45]

Wait, what? Who said anything about sending US troops to Egypt?

that guy who was afraid of world war 3 happening kinda did.

[Tyler Vagyler]

that guy who was afraid of world war 3 happening kinda did.

I highly doubt we send troops. The WWIII comment in here was sarcasm, I believe.

[RushAndAPush]

Chomsky weighs in. (http://socialistworker.org/blog/critical-reading/2011/02/02/chomsky-uprisings-arab-world)You can always count on Noam to have his finger on the pulse of the latest political moment. I'll have to read this later.

[saysmydoctor]

I love when Americans voice their concern over the outcome here. It's not for the Egyptian people, its concern that their own way of life might be threatened.

[daftpunker45]

i think american is way too involved for what they can take, if they got together with a few more world powers to solve the issue, i can see change coming soon

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

I highly doubt we send troops. The WWIII comment in here was sarcasm, I believe.

Glenn Beck was the one who predicted this will escalate to to World War III

[Tyler Vagyler]

Glenn Beck was the one who predicted this will escalate to to World War III

Well, his opinion is just as credible (if not less than) as people's in this thread.

[daftpunker45]

since when is glenn beck right?

[caveBEAR]

daftpunker is just swell.

[loveisdead]

daftpunker is just swell.

To be fair, I'm sure there are only a handful of people on this board that are well versed in this matter.

[daftpunker45]

daftpunker is just swell.

you know it.

[daftpunker45]

To be fair, I'm sure there are only a handful of people on this board that are well versed in this matter.

people don't have to be well versed to have an opinion.

[loveisdead]

people don't have to be well versed to have an opinion.

They do to have an educated one.

[daftpunker45]

They do to have an educated one.

yeah but watching fox news, cnn or msnbc all day doesn't constitute well versed. i don't mean to be insulting but having an interest in what is going on and trying to learn what is going on and forming an opinion is better than watching the news and falling in love with any opinion piers, anderson, glenn or chris matthews have.

[loveisdead]

yeah but watching fox news, cnn or msnbc all day doesn't constitute well versed. i don't mean to be insulting but having an interest in what is going on and trying to learn what is going on and forming an opinion is better than watching the news and falling in love with any opinion piers, anderson, glenn or chris matthews have.
You'd be hard pressed to find someone here who believes watching any of those blow hards makes you well versed.

[daftpunker45]

You'd be hard pressed to find someone here who believes watching any of those blow hards makes you well versed.

then i guess a lot of us are well versed

[bNz719]

They do to have an educated one.

:appl:

[perceptrons]

You'd be hard pressed to find someone here who believes watching any of those blow hards makes you well versed.
I wouldn't call Anderson a blow hard, and Piers would be a bit of stretch.

[saysmydoctor]

Well, his opinion is just as credible (if not less than) as people's in this thread.
I consider my opinion far more credible than Beck's, maybe that's conceit, but I don't care.
I wouldn't call Anderson a blow hard, and Piers would be a bit of stretch.
Piers is a blowhard.

Anderson Cooper should stick to what he is good at: good hair and covering New Orleans six years after the fact.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/6a0deeb6-21fd-4415-8dbc-3969ddc33550.jpg

[open mind]

I don't see how anyone can view this as a bad thing. Best of luck to them.

it's silly to say such a thing.

it's entirely possible that egypt could come under the reign of a ultra-conservative islamic regime that believes that the total destruction of israel is gods will........and that would be bad.

fortunately, it appears that that is not what we're currently facing...........but i'm pretty sure that a democratic middle east will eventually decry the notion of a invading, milatriarstic, aggressive, ethnic cleansing country that recieves hundreds of millions of dollars in aid from the U.S..........and that is what israel is......at least in the eyes of sane people.......and angry arabs.

[loveisdead]

it's silly to say such a thing.

it's entirely possible that egypt could come under the reign of a ultra-conservative islamic regime that believes that the total destruction of israel is gods will........and that would be bad.

fortunately, it appears that that is not what we're currently facing...........but i'm pretty sure that a democratic middle east will eventually decry the notion of a invading, milatriarstic, aggressive, ethnic cleansing country that recieves hundreds of millions of dollars in aid from the U.S..........and that is what israel is......at least in the eyes of sane people.......and angry arabs.

They receive closer to 3 billion a year from us.

[open mind]

They receive closer to 3 billion a year from us.

is it safe to assume that the next government will? and that if they do will that abate their (what i would say is a mostly justifiable hate of a racist and prehistoric state) contempt for a despicable regime?

i'm not an anti-semite....but the way in which the state of isarael has conducted it's business will surely cause animosity in the newly democratic middle east.

[loveisdead]

is it safe to assume that the next government will? and that if they do will that abate their (what i would say is a mostly justifiable hate of a racist and prehistoric state) contempt for a despicable regime?

i'm not an anti-semite....but the way in which the state of isarael has conducted it's business will surely cause animosity in the newly democratic middle east.

I don't think being anti-israel makes you anti-semitic. The two don't have to go hand in hand.

And yeah, I would imagine there will be a lot of friction between the two regimes.

[open mind]

I don't think being anti-israel makes you anti-semitic. The two don't have to go hand in hand.

And yeah, I would imagine there will be a lot of friction between the two regimes.

i agree with that sentiment......but for the last 30 or so years speaking out against an unjust israel has meant you're an anti-semite.....if the mass media is anything to go by anyways.

i would think that israel hates the idea of a democratic and self determined middle east more then the supposed devil....and i expect israel to do a great deal of posturing in the next year or so if democracy takes a real hold in egypt......as they have legit beefs with israel that have been overlooked while mubarak has been in power.

[Zeran]

I don't think being anti-israel makes you anti-semitic. The two don't have to go hand in hand.

And yeah, I would imagine there will be a lot of friction between the two regimes.
they often do, though. my girlfriend is jewish and about as anti-israel-being-assholes as i am, but she's much more outspoken about it because she can pretty much get away with it.

[loveisdead]

they often do, though. my girlfriend is jewish and about as anti-israel-being-assholes as i am, but she's much more outspoken about it because she can pretty much get away with it.

I don't get how that makes her anti-semitic?

[Zeran]

I don't get how that makes her anti-semitic?
if she were not jewish, she would stand a good chance of being called anti-semitic because of its use as an automatic reaction to anything critical said of israel.

[open mind]

if she were not jewish, she would stand a good chance of being called anti-semitic because of its use as an automatic reaction to anything critical said of israel.

yeah. john stewart (for example) would probably be labeled as an anti-semite for the things he's said in the past were he not jewish.

[Simulcast]

US Envoys Business Link to Egypt (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-envoys-business-link-to-egypt-2206329.html)

[Simulcast]

Antisemitism prevalent in protests (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/democracy-or-jew-hatred-more-evidence-of-anti-semitism-at-the-egypt-protests/?singlepage=true)

[KingsCrossing]

Antisemitism prevalent in protests (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/democracy-or-jew-hatred-more-evidence-of-anti-semitism-at-the-egypt-protests/?singlepage=true)

Surprise surprise...

edit: also, no, being anti-Israel =/= anti-Semitic, however I think there are a fair amount of people who use the anti-Israel mantra as a way to disguise their anti-Semitism, whether they realize it or not.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Antisemitism prevalent in protests (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/democracy-or-jew-hatred-more-evidence-of-anti-semitism-at-the-egypt-protests/?singlepage=true)
So? Mubarak's regime has been propped up by Israel and the US, naturally there is going to be lots of resentment towards both states. Combine Israel's support of Mubarak with traditional anti-semite feelings that have existed for centuries, along with modern feelings because of Israel's pariah status. There are also plenty of Gazan migrants in Egypt as well who have very personal reasons to hate Israel. I hate anti-semetism and have lots of admiration for Judaism but this is to be expected. It's not just your average Arabic hatred of Jews.

lol (pick one guys, Mubarak can't be a Nazi and a tool of the Israel):
http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/02/sem7-300x293.jpg

[Simulcast]

So? Mubarak's regime has been propped up by Israel and the US, naturally there is going to be lots of resentment towards both states. Combine Israel's support of Mubarak with traditional anti-semite feelings that have existed for centuries, along with modern feelings because of Israel's pariah status. There are also plenty of Gazan migrants in Egypt as well who have very personal reasons to hate Israel. I hate anti-semetism and have lots of admiration for Judaism but this is to be expected. It's not just your average Arabic hatred of Jews.

lol (pick one guys, Mubarak can't be a Nazi and a tool of the Israel):
http://pajamasmedia.com/files/2011/02/sem7-300x293.jpg

Israelis are regularly compared to Nazis.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Israelis are regularly compared to Nazis.
It doesn't make it any less stupid.

[saysmydoctor]

Where Mubarak Will Be Missed: (http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/andrewsullivan/rApM/%7E3/Pg24YxGINco/click.phdo)

Adam Shatz adds (http://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n04/adam-shatz/after-mubarak) Tel Aviv to the list:
Mubarak and Omar Suleiman, now the interim vice president, worked closely with Israel on everything from the Gaza blockade to intelligence-gathering; they allowed Israeli warships into the Suez Canal to prevent weapons smuggling into Gaza from Sudan, and did their best to stir up tensions between Fatah and Hamas. The Egyptian public is well aware of this intimate collaboration, and ashamed of it: democratisation could spell its end.
A democratic government isn’t likely to abolish the peace treaty with Israel – even some of the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood have said they would respect it. But Egyptian foreign policy would be set in Cairo rather than in Washington and Tel Aviv, and the cold peace would grow colder. A democratic government in Cairo would have to take public opinion into account, much as Erdogan’s government does in Turkey: another former US client state but one that, in marked contrast to Egypt, has escaped American tutelage, made the transition to democracy under an Islamist government, and pursued an independent foreign policy that is widely admired in the Muslim world.


:shrug:

Parents eventually have to accept that their kids won't necessarily swallow everything you try to spoon feed them.

[tkamB]

Antisemitism prevalent in protests (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/democracy-or-jew-hatred-more-evidence-of-anti-semitism-at-the-egypt-protests/?singlepage=true)

Pajamas media? Really?

[Simulcast]

Pajamas media? Really?

Yes?

[tkamB]

Yes?

Have you read some of the articles on that site? They make Glenn Beck look sane.

[Simulcast]

Have you read some of the articles on that site? They make Glenn Beck look sane.

Okay? That doesn't mean the article is invalidated.

[tkamB]

Okay? That doesn't mean the article is invalidated.

Invalidate? No. But it does diminish their credibility, and the sources aren't linked.

[Simulcast]

Invalidate? No. But it does diminish their credibility, and the sources aren't linked.

Invalidated.

Well, unless they have anti-Mubarak signs laying around their pseudo middle-eastern studies, it's pretty obvious where the signs are coming from.

[tkamB]

Invalidated.

Well, unless they have anti-Mubarak signs laying around their pseudo middle-eastern studies, it's pretty obvious where the signs are coming from.

Yeah but you can use a few pictures you found online to exaggerate the role that antisemitism is having in the movement and reading the other articles on the website I wouldn't trust them when they say it is prevalent.

edit: It could also be indicative of Mubarak's support of Israel rather than them being antisemitic.

[open mind]

Israelis are regularly compared to Nazis.

i don't agree with that particular categorization.......but minus the ovens and gas chambers their behavior has consistently been very much the same.....they are following the exact same pattern as all other powers that have sought to legitimately ethnically cleanse an area of undesirables in the last few hundred years.

[sweepthenation]

Looks like Mubarak will step down. And the Obama administration has no backbone at all

[Simulcast]

Looks like Mubarak will step down. And the Obama administration has no backbone at all

Follow the money.

[crackedthesky]

He said absolutely nothing about stepping down. Hm.

[jawstheme]

Antisemitism prevalent in protests (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/democracy-or-jew-hatred-more-evidence-of-anti-semitism-at-the-egypt-protests/?singlepage=true)

Anti-zionism is not equal to anti-semitism.

[Simulcast]

Anti-zionism is not equal to anti-semitism.

Cousins then?

[jawstheme]

Cousins then?

Anti-semitism is prejudice or hatred of a group of people because of their race or the history of their race. Anti-zionism is against a certain political movement, which is obviously zionism. Zionism being the creation of the Jewish state in Palestine, mainly the way that state was created, maintained, and is still growing at the expense of the Palestinians.

[Simulcast]

Anti-semitism is prejudice or hatred of a group of people because of their race or the history of their race. Anti-zionism is against a certain political movement, which is obviously zionism. Zionism being the creation of the Jewish state in Palestine, mainly the way that state was created, maintained, and is still growing at the expense of the Palestinians.


Debatable, but I know what you mean. It's hard for me to believe that a general disdain for Jews doesn't also exist.

[jawstheme]

Debatable, but I know what you mean. It's hard for me to believe that a general disdain for Jews doesn't also exist.

Unfortunately, I'm sure a large group of people hate all Jews because of the actions of Israel. A large group of people also hate all muslims because of the actions of extremists. It sucks but people are just stupid like, and always have been. It doesn't mean Egypt as a whole, or this political movement over there is anti-semitic though just because many of them seem to be anti-Israel. The majority of these groups that could see power, from what I saw or read, are peaceful.

[Simulcast]

Unfortunately, I'm sure a large group of people hate all Jews because of the actions of Israel. A large group of people also hate all muslims because of the actions of extremists. It sucks but people are just stupid like, and always have been. It doesn't mean Egypt as a whole, or this political movement over there is anti-semitic though just because many of them seem to be anti-Israel. The majority of these groups that could see power, from what I saw or read, are peaceful.

I don't know. I've heard the secular, democratic seeking group represents a fraction of Egypt's population.

[jawstheme]

I don't know. I've heard the secular, democratic seeking group represents a fraction of Egypt's population.

Well, we'll have to wait and see I suppose. I say give democracy a chance.

[Simulcast]

Well, we'll have to wait and see I suppose. I say give democracy a chance.

Agreed.

[KingsCrossing]

i don't agree with that particular categorization.......but minus the ovens and gas chambers their behavior has consistently been very much the same.....they are following the exact same pattern as all other powers that have sought to legitimately ethnically cleanse an area of undesirables in the last few hundred years.


:hitself:

[Love As Arson]

I'm not sure what is up for debate regarding Palestine. Israel is a colonial settler state, which expelled hundreds of thousands of people. But, anyway.

[Nevuk]

Suleiman succeeding. I hope the people don't settle for that kind of change. Would only be worse. (Ok, let's make the leader of the secret police the new head of state)

[Nuns On A Bus]

He's succeeding at what?

[crackedthesky]

He's succeeding at what?

He's succeeding Mubarak.

[Machu505]

Lulz.

[Under The Knife]

American media coverage of Egypt is a joke. The only conversation is about how it affects us, almost entirely excluding Egypt's people. It's an insanely narcissistic point of view which is why it's almost immediately discredited. Protesters are being straight up murdered, open lines of communication and information are being shut down. You don't get to tell a country that they don't know what's good for them.

We used that logic when we committed near genocide against the indigenous population here, and we've used that logic all throughout our history to justify completely unnecessary wars. So the "muslims gonna take over!" line is besides the point. If a people uprise and are willing to die to make their point, you shouldn't be so quick to discredit what they have to say.

Also, anyone who cites a verse of the Koran that says infidels should die as a reason to detest that religion clearly haven't read much of the Old Testament. You have any idea how violent and malevolent God is depicted in those texts? I'll admit, Jesus chilled him out a little in the New Testament, but you get my point. Clearly, not all muslims are murdering fuckheads.

[jawstheme]

American media coverage of Egypt is a joke. The only conversation is about how it affects us, almost entirely excluding Egypt's people. It's an insanely narcissistic point of view which is why it's almost immediately discredited. Protesters are being straight up murdered, open lines of communication and information are being shut down. You don't get to tell a country that they don't know what's good for them.

We used that logic when we committed near genocide against the indigenous population here, and we've used that logic all throughout our history to justify completely unnecessary wars. So the "muslims gonna take over!" line is besides the point. If a people uprise and are willing to die to make their point, you shouldn't be so quick to discredit what they have to say.

Also, anyone who cites a verse of the Koran that says infidels should die as a reason to detest that religion clearly haven't read much of the Old Testament. You have any idea how violent and malevolent God is depicted in those texts? I'll admit, Jesus chilled him out a little in the New Testament, but you get my point. Clearly, not all muslims are murdering fuckheads.

I like this post.

[perceptrons]

I wish we weren't Israel's best friend. If we broke such close ties to Israel, it would seem to me that our overall Middle East relations would vastly improve.

[perceptrons]

Mubarak has resigned (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/02/military-vows-free-election-offers-conditional-end-to-emergency-law/1).

[deFobbed14yrs]

ding dong the dictators gone!!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-11/mubarak-leaves-presidency-hands-power-to-egypt-s-military-suleiman-says.html

[Under The Knife]

Is Egypt cranking up the new GaGa song yet?

[AP_Punk]

:overhead:

[deFobbed14yrs]

Wonder when elections will be held

[WTG]

Yay for Egypt!!!!

[crackedthesky]

Glad for them, hope all goes well in Egypt's future.

[deFobbed14yrs]

Hope elections will be held and its not militarily run

[WTG]

I'm gonna say it an prepare myself for the shitstorm that follows...but it should be said.

Democracy is spreading in the middle east. Guess who started that? In 30+ years, if this continues to more countries, I think this will have a very positive effect on the view of Bush's reign.


Haters gonna hate. Flame me all you want, just a thought I had.

[Scrandon]

I'm gonna say it an prepare myself for the shitstorm that follows...but it should be said.

Democracy is spreading in the middle east. Guess who started that? In 30+ years, if this continues to more countries, I think this will have a very positive effect on the view of Bush's reign.


Haters gonna hate. Flame me all you want, just a thought I had.
How did Bush influence it?

[bNz719]

:appl:
Finally. Now they just need fair, legitimate elections and a strong, stable leader who will listen to the people's demands.

[saysmydoctor]

I'm gonna say it an prepare myself for the shitstorm that follows...but it should be said.

Democracy is spreading in the middle east. Guess who started that? In 30+ years, if this continues to more countries, I think this will have a very positive effect on the view of Bush's reign.


Haters gonna hate. Flame me all you want, just a thought I had.
Shut the fuck up.

[crackedthesky]

I'm gonna say it an prepare myself for the shitstorm that follows...but it should be said.

Democracy is spreading in the middle east. Guess who started that? In 30+ years, if this continues to more countries, I think this will have a very positive effect on the view of Bush's reign.


Haters gonna hate. Flame me all you want, just a thought I had.

It's an interesting point to raise. It should be noted, however, that Bush's idea of democracy in the middle east was "so long as they elect people we like," and that it was a very forced sense of democracy, basically instilling it whether they wanted it or not. Egypt is on the path to becoming the first true democracy in the middle east, and it isn't because of George Bush at all. They did it on their own. Is that a coincidence? We tried to impose democracy with pretty much a 0% success rate, but the first country who does it on their own are likely going to succeed.

[Regards]

It'll be interesting to see if there even is an "election" or who will jump into the void left.

[saysmydoctor]

It's an interesting point to raise. It should be noted, however, that Bush's idea of democracy in the middle east was "so long as they elect people we like," and that it was a very forced sense of democracy, basically instilling it whether they wanted it or not. Egypt is on the path to becoming the first true democracy in the middle east, and it isn't because of George Bush at all. They did it on their own. Is that a coincidence? We tried to impose democracy with pretty much a 0% success rate, but the first country who does it on their own are likely going to succeed.
End of discussion.

[Machu505]

It's an interesting point to raise. It should be noted, however, that Bush's idea of democracy in the middle east was "so long as they elect people we like," and that it was a very forced sense of democracy, basically instilling it whether they wanted it or not. Egypt is on the path to becoming the first true democracy in the middle east, and it isn't because of George Bush at all. They did it on their own. Is that a coincidence? We tried to impose democracy with pretty much a 0% success rate, but the first country who does it on their own are likely going to succeed. Turkey? Israel? Nonetheless, this is a remarkable day in history. Godspeed, Egypt.

[rawesome]

This is so great for the Egyptian people. This has made my day. Let's hope things continue in a positive manner. :celebrate:

Also, great speech by Barack.

[crackedthesky]

Turkey? Israel? Nonetheless, this is a remarkable day in history. Godspeed, Egypt.

I said "true" democracy. Israel has a lot of election rigging, and Turkey (and Lebanon, for that matter) have hybrid regimes, which are just a step above authoritarian societies and only dabble in democracy.

[tkamB]

Stoked for the Egyptian people, but dethroning Mubarak is just the first step and now comes the really hard part in trying to install a democratic government from scratch.

[EasySkankin]

W00t W00t!

[loveisdead]

Girls gone Nile'd tonight in Egypt.

[sjb2k1]

military's in charge right now. i hope nobody has any crazy ideas.

edit ryan lol

[Nuns On A Bus]

He's succeeding Mubarak.

I wasn't aware that you could succeed someone. I thought that you had to succeed at something, not someone. This Nevuk guy is crazy!

Edit: Hooray for Egypt, and now we get to see whether or not the military is really trying to make the place a democracy or not

[Theseventhson]

I wasn't aware that you could succeed someone. I thought that you had to succeed at something, not someone. This Nevuk guy is crazy!

Shut the fuck up, you're not funny.

[crackedthesky]

I wasn't aware that you could succeed someone. I thought that you had to succeed at something, not someone. This Nevuk guy is crazy!

Like "successor." It means you come after them.


giggity

[Nuns On A Bus]

Like "successor." It means you come after them.


giggity

Yeah I was just being an (unfunny) jackass, my bad.

[crackedthesky]

Yeah I was just being an (unfunny) jackass, my bad.

It would've been a lot funnier if I was being sarcastic, but what I said was grammatically correct, so...

[Nuns On A Bus]

It would've been a lot funnier if I was being sarcastic, but what I said was grammatically correct, so...

I know, for some reason when I read his post I thought it said that Mubarak was succeeding, not Suleiman and then I proceeded to make myself look like a dumbass. Oh well.

[crackedthesky]

I know, for some reason when I read his post I thought it said that Mubarak was succeeding, not Suleiman and then I proceeded to make myself look like a dumbass. Oh well.

Haha. It happens to us all, sometimes.

[Broken Parachute]

Girls gone Nile'd tonight in Egypt.This made me LOL.

Anyway, this is such great news and I really was happy this afternoon when I read the news. I couldn't be more happier for the people Egypt.

[saysmydoctor]

Bahrain is apparently getting ready to kick in the township rebellion.
(http://bit.ly/gdvUX1)

[The Personist]

Hope someone hasn't posted this already, great read:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2011/feb/10/egypt-miracle-tahrir-square/print

[kearn1tm]

Hope someone hasn't posted this already, great read:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2011/feb/10/egypt-miracle-tahrir-square/print

Thanks for posting that, David.

[AdamJL]

The Egypt story is great and I'm very happy for them although there's other countries strugging for the same rights right now and they're just being ignored because they don't affect the U.S. as much.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/world/africa/13algeria.html

[loveisdead]

The ruling military pledged Saturday to eventually hand power to an elected civilian government and reassured allies that Egypt will abide by its peace treaty with Israel after the ouster of President Hosni Mubarak, as it outlined the first cautious steps in a promised transition to greater democracy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/12/egyptian-army-commits-to-_n_822406.html

[Zeran]

the army has dissolved parliament, suspended the constitution and is planning on drafting a new one/holding elections soon.

[brenByah]

I'm watching the 60 mintues interview with Wael Ghonim, the Egyptian Google executive responsible for organizing many of the protests. I thought this was great (I just watched it, so these comments are paraphrased a bit)

"Without Facebook, without Twitter, without Google, this would've never happend [the revolution]...One of the reasons why they are not in power now [the regime] are because they blocked Facebook...they have told 4 million people they were scared as hell."

It's amazing what the internet can do.

[bNz719]

It's interesting that the police are now the ones protesting. Not sure what to make of it, apart from irony, but I do understand their complaints.
-$85 a month pay
-12 to 15 hour work days enforced under threat of imprisonment

[Simulcast]

CBS News: Lara Logan sexually assaulted, beaten while covering Egypt president Hosni Mubarak's exit for '60 Minutes' (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/tvblog/2011/02/cbs-news-lara-logan-sexual-ass.html?hpid=news-col-blog)

Oh my God.

[icantdecide]

CBS News: Lara Logan sexually assaulted, beaten while covering Egypt president Hosni Mubarak's exit for '60 Minutes' (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/tvblog/2011/02/cbs-news-lara-logan-sexual-ass.html?hpid=news-col-blog)

Oh my God.
Just read that, came here to post about it. I am fucking sickened right now. What is that supposed to be, a celebration?

[brenByah]

That story was absolutely awful. I guess Anderson Cooper got roughed up too, but nowhere near what she faced.

[SiriusBusiness]

Gotta love the US. Always talking about promoting democracy and freedom in the middle east while simultaneously backing a dictator trying to suppress freedom and democracy in the middle east.
amen brother

[TheWonderYears]

What's the status on Egypt?

[caveBEAR]

What's the status on Egypt?

She's single.

[JuneJuly]

Hot as hell too.

[open mind]

kinda old and dried out though.

[bNz719]

Used to be fertile, not so much anymore.