Zeigeist: Moving Forward

[icantdecide]

New Zeitgeist film just released this past month. It's mostly pretty good. Check it out: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

[Dustin Harkins]

I'm only a little bit into it but so far it's probably their most valid release yet.

[Mibabalou]

Ill check this out this weekend.

[Kiguel182]

I liked the first movie (dispite all the bs) but the second one was crap. Is this another conspiracy doc?

[icantdecide]

I liked the first movie (dispite all the bs) but the second one was crap. Is this another conspiracy doc?
Nah, no conspiracy theories, really. It mainly covers stuff about human psychology and our economy.

[loveisdead]

I'll have to watch tonight after work.

[lfdfforever]

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[Kiguel182]

Nah, no conspiracy theories, really. It mainly covers stuff about human psychology and our economy.

too bad. I was a fan of the first one because of all the mind-blowing stuff it showed us. Even after knowing some of those things were lies.

[caveBEAR]

too bad. I was a fan of the first one because of all the mind-blowing stuff it showed us. Even after knowing some of those things were lies.

:wallbash:

[So-Crates]

This was actually pretty good

[crackedthesky]

If I want to watch mind-blowing stuff that isn't true, I'll watch Neon Genesis Evangelion, not Zeitgeist.

[Kiguel182]

:wallbash:

even if some things weren't true some of the questions it raised were legit...

[caveBEAR]

even if some things weren't true some of the questions it raised were legit...

The point you are trying to make here is that they raise good questions based off falsehoods?
:squint:


Just making sure you really are saying something as stupid as this seems.

[a nocturnal day]

I was wondering when this was going to come out. Thanks, watching now.

[Kiguel182]

The point you are trying to make here is that they raise good questions based off falsehoods?
:squint:


Just making sure you really are saying something as stupid as this seems.

That's not what I'm saying. What I mean is that dispite all the lies some things showed on the movie are not bs and they do raise good questions.

The good questions I was talking about were linked to the truth part of the documentarie not to the lies.

[crackedthesky]

That's not what I'm saying. What I mean is that dispite all the lies some things showed on the movie are not bs and they do raise good questions.

The good questions I was talking about were linked to the truth part of the documentarie not to the lies.

If they have been proven to lie, how do you know ANY of it is true?

[EasySkankin]

The economic bits were the only interesting bits from the previous ones. Starting this now...

[Kiguel182]

If they have been proven to lie, how do you know ANY of it is true?

not everything was proven to be lies. Some theories are based of actual facts. (not many sure, but some)

[caveBEAR]

not everything was proven to be lies. Some theories are based of actual facts. (not many sure, but some)

So the phrase 'fool me once...' means nothing to you?

[Kiguel182]

So the phrase 'fool me once...' means nothing to you?

I'm not blindly trusting in them. I did some research. That's how I found out what was true and what was not.

[EasySkankin]

By the far the best of the 3, even though the ending is reeeeaaallly cheesy

[domotime2]

LOVED IT! it made me want to stand up, go outside, and piss my money away.


best part of the documentary, "what are we fucking stupid". i say this every single day, when anyone starts to talk about how we're in debt and when i hear a country's going bankrupt.

[icantdecide]

LOVED IT! it made me want to stand up, go outside, and piss my money away.


best part of the documentary, "what are we fucking stupid". i say this every single day, when anyone starts to talk about how we're in debt and when i hear a country's going bankrupt.
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Skip to 6:28 in that video. Best "What are we, fuckin' stupid?" of all time.

[anab]

I want some more information about it.

[Sean Rizzo]

If I want to watch mind-blowing stuff that isn't true, I'll watch Neon Genesis Evangelion, not Zeitgeist.
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[Sunken In]

If I want to watch mind-blowing stuff that isn't true, I'll watch Neon Genesis Evangelion, not Zeitgeist.


So you think it isn't true that our monetary system is enslaving the entire human race to imaginary debt that is sucking all the resources out of our planet?

You think it isn't true that for every dollar that the federal reserve prints, they demand that your country pay back extra money on top of it?

And that the same doesn't go for my country?

You think it isn't true that the our materialistic society has created psychological and emotional problems for people?

Or have you just never watched it..

I can see why you might think the first one was cracked out, but don't judge something you've never seen. The new Zeitgeist movie deals with some really fantastic ideas, those same problems you've been trying to ignore.

[domotime2]

If they have been proven to lie, how do you know ANY of it is true?

did you watch it yet? I think it's brilliant stuff with definitely enough credible talking points.

[crackedthesky]

So you think it isn't true that our monetary system is enslaving the entire human race to imaginary debt that is sucking all the resources out of our planet?

You think it isn't true that for every dollar that the federal reserve prints, they demand that your country pay back extra money on top of it?

And that the same doesn't go for my country?

You think it isn't true that the our materialistic society has created psychological and emotional problems for people?

Or have you just never watched it..

I can see why you might think the first one was cracked out, but don't judge something you've never seen. The new Zeitgeist movie deals with some really fantastic ideas, those same problems you've been trying to ignore.

I was talking about the first movie, where they made pretty much everything up. Try following the conversation before going on the attack, yo.

did you watch it yet? I think it's brilliant stuff with definitely enough credible talking points.

Nope. I've had better things to do, and when I want info on what's going on in our economy, I'll go get it from a more reliable source than Zeitgeist.

[Sunken In]

I was talking about the first movie, where they made pretty much everything up. Try following the conversation before going on the attack, yo.


Ok, well this thread is about the new Zeitgeist movie, not the old one.

[crackedthesky]

Ok, well this thread is about the new Zeitgeist movie, not the old one.

Yup, and someone asked why we should trust the new one when the old one was full of shit, and someone replied by saying that the first one might've been full of shit, but it was still mindblowing, and that's when I gave my response.

The Zeitgeist series has released two movies that have been found to be full of misinformation. Forgive me for not flocking to their third movie in attempt to gain knowledge of the truth.

Basically, the Bear said it best: Fool me twice...

[EasySkankin]

What was so wrong with addendum?

[Sunken In]

Yup, and someone asked why we should trust the new one when the old one was full of shit, and someone replied by saying that the first one might've been full of shit, but it was still mindblowing, and that's when I gave my response.

The Zeitgeist series has released two movies that have been found to be full of misinformation. Forgive me for not flocking to their third movie in attempt to gain knowledge of the truth.

Basically, the Bear said it best: Fool me twice...


Ok then, well you didn't quote anyone or anything. You can see why I thought your comment was about this one?

I still think you should watch it.

[crackedthesky]

Ok then, well you didn't quote anyone or anything. You can see why I thought your comment was about this one?

I still think you should watch it.

I posted it right after the guy said it :shrug:

Maybe someday. Right now, I have better things to focus on. My eye prescription is some three years old, and I can only spend about a half hour at a time at the computer before I feel dizzy and need to leave, so I'm trying to spend as much of that time as I can working on a book.

[Sunken In]

I posted it right after the guy said it :shrug:

Maybe someday. Right now, I have better things to focus on. My eye prescription is some three years old, and I can only spend about a half hour at a time at the computer before I feel dizzy and need to leave, so I'm trying to spend as much of that time as I can working on a book.

Eh, there's two posts in between now that I go look. From my vantage, reading it after the fact, it was a comment right out of left field.

Sorry bout your eyes bro.

[crackedthesky]

Eh, there's two posts in between now that I go look. From my vantage, reading it after the fact, it was a comment right out of left field.

Sorry bout your eyes bro.

Did I put a period at the end of my post? If there's no period, it's because I'm not being serious, or I'm being very sarcastic, lol.

Thanks. I'll be all right, I actually just got put back on my parents' plan, and everybody in my family is about to go to the eye doctor in the next couple of weeks, haha.

[Alex!]

I don't think the first one was full of shit at all.

[crackedthesky]

I don't think the first one was full of shit at all.
Then you haven't researched the things it was talking about. The movie literally makes things up as it goes.

[caveBEAR]

I don't think the first one was full of shit at all.

I don't think gravity is real, that doesn't make me right.

[Alex!]

Then you haven't researched the things it was talking about. The movie literally makes things up as it goes.

The one with the 9/11 conspiracy and section on religion and all that? I'm not saying everything in these films is 100% accurate, but they definitely raise some good questions. Whether we let it happen or were involved to some extent, we can't really know for sure. But I don't trust the government and I don't think anyone else should either.

Just my opinion. I know A LOT of people in this thread don't agree with me.

As for the new one, I've watched about an hour of it and it's pretty interesting.

[crackedthesky]

The one with the 9/11 conspiracy and section on religion and all that? I'm not saying everything in these films is 100% accurate, but they definitely raise some good questions. Whether we let it happen or were involved to some extent, we can't really know for sure. But I don't trust the government and I don't think anyone else should either.

Just my opinion. I know A LOT of people in this thread don't agree with me.

As for the new one, I've watched about an hour of it and it's pretty interesting.

Raising good questions doesn't mean those questions don't have easy, obvious, and far from spectacular answers. I can think of a lot of great questions with not-so-great answers. And in any case, almost everything brought up in that movie has been disproven. Not argued against, disproven. Meaning it's actually verifiably incorrect.

Also, we definitely can know for sure. We may not, but we definitely can, and we also very very likely do.

I get that it's your opinion and all, but opinions can very much be incorrect, and can definitely be ill-informed. Anyone willing to do ten minutes' worth of reading into Zeitgeist will likely find that ill-informed is exactly what the first film aims for. It uses almost everything out of context, and in several cases makes things up entirely to try to make the conspiracy theory come full-circle.

[Alex!]

Raising good questions doesn't mean those questions don't have easy, obvious, and far from spectacular answers. I can think of a lot of great questions with not-so-great answers. And in any case, almost everything brought up in that movie has been disproven. Not argued against, disproven. Meaning it's actually verifiably incorrect.

Also, we definitely can know for sure. We may not, but we definitely can, and we also very very likely do.

I get that it's your opinion and all, but opinions can very much be incorrect, and can definitely be ill-informed. Anyone willing to do ten minutes' worth of reading into Zeitgeist will likely find that ill-informed is exactly what the first film aims for. It uses almost everything out of context, and in several cases makes things up entirely to try to make the conspiracy theory come full-circle.

I'm sure a lot of it could be disproven. To be honest, I haven't watched Zeitgeist in a few years. I did some research back then, but who knows if any of it was reliable. There could be some things that have been disproven. I'm probably biased because I'm a fan of conspiracy theories. I may not believe in all of them, but 9/11 and the events that followed are a pretty fishy situation, whether we did this to ourselves or not.

[crackedthesky]

I'm sure a lot of it could be disproven. To be honest, I haven't watched Zeitgeist in a few years. I did some research back then, but who knows if any of it was reliable. There could be some things that have been disproven. I'm probably biased because I'm a fan of conspiracy theories. I may not believe in all of them, but 9/11 and the events that followed are a pretty fishy situation, whether we did this to ourselves or not.

I think there's a certain magic to conspiracy theories, especially since I'm a big fan of good stories. I find them interesting, and usually a lot of fun to read. That said, there are few I really believe in, because most are so easily picked apart.

As for Zeitgeist, I tried to watch it when it first came out, but I turned it off because I found it very boring.

[caveBEAR]

I'm sure a lot of it could be disproven. To be honest, I haven't watched Zeitgeist in a few years. I did some research back then, but who knows if any of it was reliable. There could be some things that have been disproven. I'm probably biased because I'm a fan of conspiracy theories. I may not believe in all of them, but 9/11 and the events that followed are a pretty fishy situation, whether we did this to ourselves or not.

How so?

[Alex!]

How so?

I'm sure you've heard of Building 7? As far as I know, that hasn't been accounted for. They had numerous warnings that an attack like this could happen. They needed Americans to have a reason to go to war for an unjust cause (foreign oil). The list kinda goes on.

[caveBEAR]

I'm sure you've heard of Building 7? As far as I know, that hasn't been accounted for. They had numerous warnings that an attack like this could happen. They needed Americans to have a reason to go to war for an unjust cause (foreign oil). The list kinda goes on.

I haven't got time to take this apart, but Building 7 collapsed because the Twin Towers fell on it and set it ablaze, knowing an attack like that could happen but being caught with your pants down and letting it happen are so polar opposites that to discuss them in the same breath is insulting, and American's aren't that difficult to whip into a 'let's go get them!' frenzy, as well as the whole idea of the Bush administration (who apparently were simultaneously the most ineffective and useless administration in history while also being the most evil masterminds to ever hold the office) setting up a fake attack (especially to the lengths conspiracy theorists go about holograms and missing planes full of people) just to invade a country that Americans wouldn't really have given a shit about anyway (I assume you mean Iraq when you say 'foreign oil', and the American people knew from the get-go that the case for Iraq was flimsy at best - we went with it anyway) just flies in the face of Occam's Razor.

Pissed off extremist Muslims, funded by a rich extremist Muslim, attacked a country they hate for slights they believe we have done to them. The. End.

[saturday_snow_squall]

That's not what I'm saying. What I mean is that dispite all the lies some things showed on the movie are not bs and they do raise good questions.

The good questions I was talking about were linked to the truth part of the documentarie not to the lies.
i get what you're saying. the questions it explored were valid to be explored.

[veganboy-]

what put me off at first was them using bits of film from alex jones films