Building a Franchise

[thejetstolehome]

if this isn't thread worthy, i'll delete it and keep it to the MLB Thread. anyway, if you were starting a franchise and had to pick one player around whom to base your team, who would you pick and why? you can pick anyone currently in MLB but i think it'd be better to stick to younger players.

[StandMyBrothers]

Babe Ruth? or no past players?

[thejetstolehome]

i was thinking current players, let me edit.

[KB3RG]

Pujols hands down one of the best hitters...

genuine guy. is not known for his glove but its good, could potentially get a golden glove sometime in his career too

[bduke13]

Pujols or maybe a young pitcher like Liriano or someone

[thejetstolehome]

Pujols or maybe a young pitcher like Liriano or someone

i think people might be hesitant on Lirano now becaues of the injury issues.

[startBBtoday]

probably a young dude like carl crawford or grady sizemore. young pitchers are a pretty big risk.

[AshesAshes]

Ryan Howard good clean image and a monster when it comes to hitting

[AshesAshes]

Pujols hands down one of the best hitters...

genuine guy. is not known for his glove but its good, could potentially get a golden glove sometime in his career too

He lost that genuine guy thing for me when he cried about not getting mvp

[KB3RG]

He lost that genuine guy thing for me when he cried about not getting mvp

he loves the sport and thinks he deserved it. I thought he did too

EDIT: and had numbers to justify him for deserving it

[thejetstolehome]

probably a young dude like carl crawford or grady sizemore. young pitchers are a pretty big risk.

i was thinking about both of those guys. i think Cabrera, Uggla, and Ramirez would be good infield guys, too. wow they're all on the same team haha.

[startBBtoday]

i was thinking about both of those guys. i think Cabrera, Uggla, and Ramirez would be good infield guys, too. wow they're all on the same team haha.


i change my vote to cabrera because i am an idiot and forgot his existence for 15 minutes. other than the fact that he may or may not give a shit, he is manny ramirez v. 2 and i would take that in a second.

[thejetstolehome]

i change my vote to cabrera because i am an idiot and forgot his existence for 15 minutes. other than the fact that he may or may not give a shit, he is manny ramirez v. 2 and i would take that in a second.

definitely.

[KB3RG]

definitely.

ok I agree as well lol. I will be switching to Miguel as well. Hes younger , has the AVG, RBI, Homeruns. guys a monster

[thejetstolehome]

as for pitchers, i think i might go with Hamels and Kazmir for lefties and Verlander for a righty.

[startBBtoday]

yeah, i'd go with kazmir or weaver for pitchers.

[thejetstolehome]

yeah, i'd go with kazmir or weaver for pitchers.

Weaver! there it is, i couldn't think of another good young righty that i wanted.

[deadstar]

Isnt Uggla like 27?

[AshesAshes]

Weaver! there it is, i couldn't think of another good young righty that i wanted.

Weaver is a beast I use to watch him pitch down here for our triple a team love that guy.

[xearlynovemberx]

wright,reyes,cabrera?

[xearlynovemberx]

homer baily and hughes come to mind, also

[thejetstolehome]

mmm Hughes.

[xearlynovemberx]

homer :-D

[xearlynovemberx]

gordon

[thejetstolehome]

Cano? :-)

[xearlynovemberx]

carlos gomez:-D fernando martinez:-D

[startBBtoday]

jacoby ellsbury, jonathan papelbon, hanley ramirez... oh wait, anibal sanchez... oh wait

[KB3RG]

zumaya

[startBBtoday]

zumaya

i'm not gonna build my team around a relief pitcher

[KB3RG]

i'm not gonna build my team around a relief pitcher

i was just throwing out good young pitching...and everyone covered most the other people so i decided he deserved some credit

[soundofthebrown]

pujols

[thejetstolehome]

i'm not gonna build my team around a relief pitcher

if you converted him to closer it might almost be feasable. still, it's probably not that smart an idea.

[KB3RG]

if you converted him to closer it might almost be feasable. still, it's probably not that smart an idea.

he will be one soon enough. Todd Jones is 38 and not getting any younger

[thejetstolehome]

he will be one soon enough. Todd Jones is 38 and not getting any younger

right, right. i'm just saying, for argument's sake.

[Brownpants06]

Ryan Howard would be my first choice.



On a more obscure side... Alex Rios?

[bigmike]

Joe Mauer.

I'm a firm believer that you build up the middle first. Catcher, SS/2B, Centerfield.

[awfulwaffle]

kazmir or santana

[+thecalisonme]

delmon young or that guy who karate kicked that catcher awhile ago. if not them weaver, the good one

[Scott Weber]

I'd still take Pujols.

[xbrokendownx]

albert pujols
ryan howard
miguel cabrera



in that order

[BuriedAlive]

Isnt Uggla like 27?
Uggla turns 26 this month

as for someone I'd build around would be either Miguel Cabrera , Hanley Ramirez, or Delmon Young.

[SgtSmegma]

Alex Gordon. The Royals will become a dominant force.

[bigmike]

Alex Gordon. The Royals will become a dominant force.
Well, in like 4 or so years. Their pitching staff/minor league pitching depth does not match some of the great mashers they've got (gordon, billy butler, ryan shealy). But Dayton Moore's got them on their way in the right direction. It just takes time. I'm stoked to see the young hitters for the Royals a bunch this year, though. David Dejesus, Mark Teahen, Gordon, Butler and Shealy is a very good start. If Jon Buck becomes the catcher they thought he'd be when they traded Beltran for him and Gathwright can get on with any sort of consistency, they'll be a dangerous lineup in 2-ish years.

[Dean Wormer]

Wright
Sizemore
Mauer

[jaimej]

Cano? :-)
Would be my answer.

Howard and Cabrera are also good choices.

[hockey0001]

i'm not gonna build my team around a relief pitcher

but youll build it around a minor leaguer that has no MLB experience?

[bigmike]

Wright
Sizemore
Mauer
Miguel Cabrera > Wright.

[Scott Weber]

Miguel Cabrera > Wright.
Agreed.

[odelay]

Miguel Cabrera

[Smithers]

Miguel Cabrera > Wright.

while i certainly agree from a talent standpoint, if i'm starting a franchise, wright would be the face of it. he's like derek jeter jr.: talented, young, good looking, and most importantly, marketable. and i just don't see cabrera doing the same thing.

sizemore would be #2. it's hard to pick pitchers because their arm could fall off tomorrow.

[+thecalisonme]

Miguel Cabrera
hes a cunt and would be a terrible leader and hes more like albert belle than derek jeter. id take david

[bigmike]

while i certainly agree from a talent standpoint, if i'm starting a franchise, wright would be the face of it. he's like derek jeter jr.: talented, young, good looking, and most importantly, marketable. and i just don't see cabrera doing the same thing.

sizemore would be #2. it's hard to pick pitchers because their arm could fall off tomorrow.
Winning is the best marketing tool, unless you're in Florida. So I'll take Cabrera.
hes a cunt and would be a terrible leader and hes more like albert belle than derek jeter. id take david
I can find veterans to lead. I can't find a 23 year old 3rd baseman who averages 160 games, .311 avg, 30 hr, 116 rbi, 42 doubles, .384 obp, .535 slg. Oh, and he plays 3rd, LF, and RF (though, I'd probably prefer him at DH). He's also led his offense to a World Series title with a 4 home run, 12 rbi postseason in 2003.

More talented, just as young, champion, major factor on the championship team. Sign me up.

Edit: From baseball-reference.com:

Miguel Cabrera:
Similar Batters through Age 23

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Hank Aaron (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/aaronha01.shtml) (959) *
Orlando Cepeda (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cepedor01.shtml) (931) *
Frank Robinson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/robinfr02.shtml) (925) *
Joe Medwick (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/medwijo01.shtml) (920) *
Mickey Mantle (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mantlmi01.shtml) (914) *
Andruw Jones (http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jonesan01.shtml) (907)
Ken Griffey (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/griffke02.shtml) (906)
Hal Trosky (http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/troskha01.shtml) (905)
Vladimir Guerrero (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/guerrvl01.shtml) (900)
Al Kaline (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/kalinal01.shtml) (900) *
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Hank Aaron (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/aaronha01.shtml) (956) * 2 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sierrru01.shtml) 3 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/crawfsa01.shtml) 4 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/kokosdi01.shtml) 5 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mantlmi01.shtml) 6 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/medwijo01.shtml) 7 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/lockmwh01.shtml) 8 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/tiernmi01.shtml) 9 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jonesan01.shtml) 10 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/luzingr01.shtml) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=cabremi01:Miguel+Cabrer a&st=int&compage=21&age=21)
Hank Aaron (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/aaronha01.shtml) (954) * 2 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/robinfr02.shtml) 3 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cepedor01.shtml) 4 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/conigto01.shtml) 5 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mantlmi01.shtml) 6 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/medwijo01.shtml) 7 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/troskha01.shtml) 8 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/griffke02.shtml) 9 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pujolal01.shtml) 10 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cedence01.shtml) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=cabremi01:Miguel+Cabrer a&st=int&compage=22&age=22)
Hank Aaron (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/aaronha01.shtml) (959) * 2 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cepedor01.shtml) 3 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/robinfr02.shtml) 4 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/medwijo01.shtml) 5 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mantlmi01.shtml) 6 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jonesan01.shtml) 7 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/griffke02.shtml) 8 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/troskha01.shtml) 9 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/guerrvl01.shtml) 10 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/kalinal01.shtml) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=cabremi01:Miguel+Cabrer a&st=int&compage=23&age=23)


David Wright:
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Dick Allen (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/allendi01.shtml) (956)
Eric Chavez (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/chaveer01.shtml) (941)
Scott Rolen (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rolensc01.shtml) (936)
Hank Blalock (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/blaloha01.shtml) (932)
Bob Horner (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hornebo01.shtml) (928)
Duke Snider (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/snidedu01.shtml) (922) *
Ken Keltner (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/keltnke01.shtml) (919)
Tommy Davis (http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/davisto02.shtml) (917)
Grady Sizemore (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sizemgr01.shtml) (916)
Jim Ray Hart (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hartji01.shtml) (915)
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Ken Keltner (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/keltnke01.shtml) (950) 2 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/allendi01.shtml) 3 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/blaloha01.shtml) 4 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hebneri01.shtml) 5 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/guerrvl01.shtml) 6 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/chaveer01.shtml) 7 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hartji01.shtml) 8 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/chapmbe01.shtml) 9 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rolensc01.shtml) 10 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/reisepe01.shtml) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=wrighda03:David+Wright&st=int&compage=22&age=22)
Dick Allen (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/allendi01.shtml) (956) 2 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/chaveer01.shtml) 3 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rolensc01.shtml) 4 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/blaloha01.shtml) 5 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hornebo01.shtml) 6 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/snidedu01.shtml) 7 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/keltnke01.shtml) 8 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/davisto02.shtml) 9 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sizemgr01.shtml) 10 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hartji01.shtml) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=wrighda03:David+Wright&st=int&compage=23&age=23)

[+thecalisonme]

Winning is the best marketing tool, unless you're in Florida. So I'll take Cabrera.

I can find veterans to lead. I can't find a 23 year old 3rd baseman who averages 160 games, .311 avg, 30 hr, 116 rbi, 42 doubles, .384 obp, .535 slg. Oh, and he plays 3rd, LF, and RF (though, I'd probably prefer him at DH). He's also led his offense to a World Series title with a 4 home run, 12 rbi postseason in 2003.

More talented, just as young, champion, major factor on the championship team. Sign me up.

Edit: From baseball-reference.com:

Miguel Cabrera:
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Hank Aaron (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/aaronha01.shtml) (959) *
Orlando Cepeda (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cepedor01.shtml) (931) *
Frank Robinson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/robinfr02.shtml) (925) *
Joe Medwick (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/medwijo01.shtml) (920) *
Mickey Mantle (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mantlmi01.shtml) (914) *
Andruw Jones (http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jonesan01.shtml) (907)
Ken Griffey (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/griffke02.shtml) (906)
Hal Trosky (http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/troskha01.shtml) (905)
Vladimir Guerrero (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/guerrvl01.shtml) (900)
Al Kaline (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/kalinal01.shtml) (900) *Most Similar by Age

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Hank Aaron (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/aaronha01.shtml) (956) * 2 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sierrru01.shtml) 3 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/crawfsa01.shtml) 4 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/kokosdi01.shtml) 5 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mantlmi01.shtml) 6 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/medwijo01.shtml) 7 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/lockmwh01.shtml) 8 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/tiernmi01.shtml) 9 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jonesan01.shtml) 10 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/luzingr01.shtml) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=cabremi01:Miguel+Cabrer a&st=int&compage=21&age=21)
Hank Aaron (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/aaronha01.shtml) (954) * 2 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/robinfr02.shtml) 3 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cepedor01.shtml) 4 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/conigto01.shtml) 5 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mantlmi01.shtml) 6 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/medwijo01.shtml) 7 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/troskha01.shtml) 8 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/griffke02.shtml) 9 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pujolal01.shtml) 10 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cedence01.shtml) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=cabremi01:Miguel+Cabrer a&st=int&compage=22&age=22)
Hank Aaron (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/aaronha01.shtml) (959) * 2 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cepedor01.shtml) 3 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/robinfr02.shtml) 4 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/medwijo01.shtml) 5 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mantlmi01.shtml) 6 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jonesan01.shtml) 7 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/griffke02.shtml) 8 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/troskha01.shtml) 9 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/guerrvl01.shtml) 10 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/kalinal01.shtml) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=cabremi01:Miguel+Cabrer a&st=int&compage=23&age=23)

David Wright:
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Dick Allen (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/allendi01.shtml) (956)
Eric Chavez (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/chaveer01.shtml) (941)
Scott Rolen (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rolensc01.shtml) (936)
Hank Blalock (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/blaloha01.shtml) (932)
Bob Horner (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hornebo01.shtml) (928)
Duke Snider (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/snidedu01.shtml) (922) *
Ken Keltner (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/keltnke01.shtml) (919)
Tommy Davis (http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/davisto02.shtml) (917)
Grady Sizemore (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sizemgr01.shtml) (916)
Jim Ray Hart (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hartji01.shtml) (915)Most Similar by Age

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Ken Keltner (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/keltnke01.shtml) (950) 2 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/allendi01.shtml) 3 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/blaloha01.shtml) 4 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hebneri01.shtml) 5 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/guerrvl01.shtml) 6 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/chaveer01.shtml) 7 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hartji01.shtml) 8 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/chapmbe01.shtml) 9 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rolensc01.shtml) 10 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/reisepe01.shtml) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=wrighda03:David+Wright&st=int&compage=22&age=22)
Dick Allen (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/allendi01.shtml) (956) 2 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/chaveer01.shtml) 3 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rolensc01.shtml) 4 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/blaloha01.shtml) 5 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hornebo01.shtml) 6 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/snidedu01.shtml) 7 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/keltnke01.shtml) 8 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/davisto02.shtml) 9 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sizemgr01.shtml) 10 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hartji01.shtml) C (http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=wrighda03:David+Wright&st=int&compage=23&age=23)
alber belle it is

[bigmike]

Miguel Cabrera's going to be better then Albert Belle.

And did I miss something where he's beating up women or running over 2nd basemen intentionally? I understand he had that incident with his teammate and joe girardi, but I'd hardly use that as justification to pick a worse player over him at 3rd base.

[+thecalisonme]

Miguel Cabrera's going to be better then Albert Belle.

And did I miss something where he's beating up women or running over 2nd basemen intentionally? I understand he had that incident with his teammate and joe girardi, but I'd hardly use that as justification to pick a worse player over him at 3rd base.
o just wait my friend its coming i think we all know it, big al did all those wonderful things when he was older tha mig i believe

[bigmike]

o just wait my friend its coming i think we all know it, big al did all those wonderful things when he was older tha mig i believe
So because he got in a yelling match with a teammate(s) and his manager who the owner and GM didn't like anyways and were going to fire, he's going to become Albert Belle automatically? I'll have to disagree.

[+thecalisonme]

So because he got in a yelling match with a teammate(s) and his manager who the owner and GM didn't like anyways and were going to fire, he's going to become Albert Belle automatically? I'll have to disagree.
you would

[hendyds88]

1. ryan howard
2. soriano
3. pujols
4. liriano or verlander

[livethesounds]

willy Tavarez

...im so bored.

[thejetstolehome]

1. ryan howard
2. soriano
3. pujols
4. liriano or verlander

Soriano's in his 30s?

willy Tavarez

...im so bored.

haha. if we're gonna talk outfielders, it's gotta be Sizemore.

[Scott Weber]

I'm not all up on Sizemore's nuts like everybody else is. I'd rather have Carl Crawford in terms of young guys with big upsides.

[HoustonCalling]

jose reyes

[xbrokendownx]

I'm not all up on Sizemore's nuts like everybody else is. I'd rather have Carl Crawford in terms of young guys with big upsides.






im with you on that one

[thejetstolehome]

I'm not all up on Sizemore's nuts like everybody else is. I'd rather have Carl Crawford in terms of young guys with big upsides.

:shrug: i'd take both of them. i'd put Crawford in left and Sizemore in center and...i don't know who in right, maybe Francouer? Pujols would be at first, Hanley Ramirez would be second base, i guess, Reyes at shortstop, Cabrera at third and Mauer catching.

[Scott Weber]

:shrug: i'd take both of them. i'd put Crawford in left and Sizemore in center and...i don't know who in right, maybe Francouer? Pujols would be at first, Hanley Ramirez would be second base, i guess, Reyes at shortstop, Cabrera at third and Mauer catching.
What, no Wily Mo in right? :-D

[thejetstolehome]

What, no Wily Mo in right? :-D

haha, they're actually pretty similar but Francouer has a much better glove. they both have good arms, though. both hit the ball a fuckin' ton, too.

[Scott Weber]

haha, they're actually pretty similar but Francouer has a much better glove. they both have good arms, though. both hit the ball a fuckin' ton, too.
I just wanna see what Wily can do in a full season for once.

[thejetstolehome]

I just wanna see what Wily can do in a full season for once.

i would, too, but i think that's for malicious reasons, haha. JD Drew is a much better fit in RF for Boston. sadly. :-/

[Scott Weber]

haha, hate.

[ForlrnPerplxity]

Pujols. He has an MVP, a gold glove, a World Series ring, and he's 27.

Cabrera is close though.