Zodiac

[SingleDoubt]

NO threads on this movie?? anyway, it opened today and id so be seeing it if i didnt have work. the reviews are pretty good so far. ive always been very interested in this case, and apparently a new letter has surfaced in the past week! that's some pretty crazy news for people who have been following the case at all.

anyone else excited to see the film?

[DroppedUrPocket]

I want to see it. I would probably see Black Snake Moan over this, though.

[summerstars19]

I'd like to see both movies mentioned. Hooray.

[SingleDoubt]

I'd like to see both movies mentioned. Hooray.

your avatar creeps me out

[summerstars19]

your avatar creeps me out
Then my job is done.

[buysoap]

I want to see it. I would probably see Black Snake Moan over this, though.
That's what I'm doing

[DroppedUrPocket]

That's what I'm doing

take me plz

[SingleDoubt]

oh yeah and the movie's 2 hrs 40mins

[thisisadisaster]

im probably watching zodiac tonight.

i previewed black snake moan last night. im not sure how i felt about it.

i liked it, but it was just kinda alright.

[DroppedUrPocket]

oh yeah and the movie's 2 hrs 40mins

Yeah, I saw that on the news this morning. The reviewer said it was really good, but could have been cut down a little bit.

[kirbs84]

I'll probably go see it tonight.

[fluke182]

I'm seeing this tomorrow. This will be incredible, I can't wait. I also likely won't even be seeing Black Snake Moan, it has been getting really middling reviews, and although kooky, I don't know how much a "chained up white girl" movie really hits me as a person.

[SingleDoubt]

I don't know how much a "chained up white girl" movie really hits me as a person.

yeah, and Roots totally sucked too

[KB3RG]

There was a thread on this....did it get deleted or something?

owell, I want to see this as well. Looks good

[SingleDoubt]

87%!!! (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/zodiac/)

[buysoap]

I'm seeing this tomorrow. This will be incredible, I can't wait. I also likely won't even be seeing Black Snake Moan, it has been getting really middling reviews, and although kooky, I don't know how much a "chained up white girl" movie really hits me as a person.
You don't like Chained Up White Girl movies?!

Damn. You suck.

[TJ Wells]

i love long movies, so im perfectly happy its 2:40

[Trainsaw]

i was all for seeing this movie in theatres but at 2 hrs and 40 mins i dunno, i might just rent it now

[supadupa003]

I don't see the big deal about a movie being 2 hours and 40 minutes...The Departed was 2 and a 1/2 hours and I didn't see that steer away people from the movie.

[FOBPrettyNPunk]

I'm determined to see this, but if none of my friends want to sit for almost 3 hours I'll go see Reno 911 or BSM.

[-Aaron-]

Im going to see it in about 20 minutes. Im happy its long; I'll get my moneys worth.

[Trainsaw]

I don't see the big deal about a movie being 2 hours and 40 minutes...The Departed was 2 and a 1/2 hours and I didn't see that steer away people from the movie.

if you have a quality theater then its not all that much of a problem, but they're in the process of building one w/ stadium seats etc, so what i'm stuck w/ now is a lumpy pain in the ass spring chair, 3 hours on that thing is far from enjoyable

[supadupa003]

if you have a quality theater then its not all that much of a problem, but they're in the process of building one w/ stadium seats etc, so what i'm stuck w/ now is a lumpy pain in the ass spring chair, 3 hours on that thing is far from enjoyable

Well then that is a good excuse

[TJ Wells]

if you have a quality theater then its not all that much of a problem, but they're in the process of building one w/ stadium seats etc, so what i'm stuck w/ now is a lumpy pain in the ass spring chair, 3 hours on that thing is far from enjoyable
oh i'll give you that then.

[ihatecayte]

my friend made me promise to wait for her to come home during her spring break and go with her. so i have to wait like 3 weeks. uggh. i reeeeeeeally wanna see it. it's such an interesting case.

[preppyak]

awesome weekend for me in store...I want to see Zodiac and Black Snake Moan...but, Last King of Scotland and Letters from Iwo Jima are in...plus, I can see Volver for free Sunday.

Hopefully I can get to at least two of them this weekend, and others early next week...

[AshesAshes]

I wanna see this but its 2 hour 40 minutes and I got work in the morning so ill have to wait

[preppyak]

if you have a quality theater then its not all that much of a problem, but they're in the process of building one w/ stadium seats etc, so what i'm stuck w/ now is a lumpy pain in the ass spring chair, 3 hours on that thing is far from enjoyable
Yeah...that's why I'm glad I pay $5 a ticket for awesome new stadium seats with nice cushions...gotta love pseudo-independent theater chains
i love long movies, so im perfectly happy its 2:40
Depends...for example, the Good Shepherd was rough at that time length...but something like the Godfather is no problem

[Adeniz19]

The Good Shepherd was painfully too long.

[drudo182]

Nearly three hours of NEW FINCHER???

Why in the world would anyone complain? It's David Fincher we're talking about.

I am seeing this tomorrow. So jazzed.

[Lueda Alia]

I'm seeing this tonight. I can't wait because 1) I always watch American Justice and I'm sure this story will be a lot like those episodes and 2) Jake Gyllenhaal is in it.

[Joe DeAndrea]

Can someone tell me the story with this? I mean, I know the story and everything, but is this guy still on the loose? Is he still killing people or is he just trying to not get caught?

[SingleDoubt]

Can someone tell me the story with this? I mean, I know the story and everything, but is this guy still on the loose? Is he still killing people or is he just trying to not get caught?

it happened 30 years ago and he was at LEAST 30 when it happened. so that means best case scenario he's 60 right now, so no, he isnt on the loose. however, as you may know, one of his forte's was to send letters to the police and news networks, and just recently a new letter has been uncovered but not released to the public. the person who runs ZodiacKiller.com has seen the letter and he says, "The date of the postmark left me in a state of shock." take from that what you will...

[AShannon04]

I'm about to go see it.

[Bob Payne]

I saw it tonight. I really liked it, but the length was a bit overbearing. Robert Downey Junior's performance is worth seeing alone.

[clandestinerdc]

it happened 30 years ago and he was at LEAST 30 when it happened. so that means best case scenario he's 60 right now, so no, he isnt on the loose. however, as you may know, one of his forte's was to send letters to the police and news networks, and just recently a new letter has been uncovered but not released to the public. the person who runs ZodiacKiller.com has seen the letter and he says, "The date of the postmark left me in a state of shock." take from that what you will...

The whole "new letter" thing to me seems more like someone trying to get attention with all the hype around this movie. If there is hype idk.

[SingleDoubt]

The whole "new letter" thing to me seems more like someone trying to get attention with all the hype around this movie. If there is hype idk.

yeah, i thought this too, but i logged onto the ZodiacKiller website and there's a partial scan of the letter. its real. and it's postdated 1990.

[kirbs84]

Wow..really enjoyed it. Great performances by Gyllenhaal and Robert Downey Jr.

Length did not phase me at all. Just right.

[HplessRomntic]

i have been waiting for this movie since november. i love the psychological issues behind serial killers and have read about serial killers for a good 3 4 years now. this one is by far one of my favs, im sure itll be good.

[myworstmistakes]

I saw it tonight. I really liked it, but the length was a bit overbearing. Robert Downey Junior's performance is worth seeing alone.

i totally agree.

[Lueda Alia]

I just got back from watching it. I really liked it and I'd recommend it to everyone.

It's not as long as you may think, so don't let that turn you off. I personally wish it had been longer.

[kissbangkill]

it was boring, extremely poorly executed, and poorly edited.

great acting, and i really wanted to like it. the first hour was awesome, then after that, they drag on, and on, and on, and on... etc. there was just tons of the movie that was completely unnecessary to have entire scenes of. you constantly keep thinking "this part could be really good, i'm excited, the movies still lagging, but it's ok, it's about to pick up into something great..." never happens. it was enjoyable, but i'd only recommend it if you're dead set on seeing it, or have almost three hours to kill.

[AShannon04]

Wow..really enjoyed it. Great performances by Gyllenhaal and Robert Downey Jr.

Length did not phase me at all. Just right.

I agree.

Does anyone know how much fact was put into the actual movie, and how much was fiction just for entertainment's sake?

[Lueda Alia]

I agree.

Does anyone know how much fact was put into the actual movie, and how much was fiction just for entertainment's sake?
I'm wondering the same thing too.

I have a question and I suppose it's a spoiler so don't read if you haven't seen the movie/don't want to be spoiled:

Why did they never ask the woman that escaped to identify the killer too? I mean, they asked the guy that survived (which was a good idea), but how come they never asked the woman? Am I missing something here?

[kirbs84]

I agree.

Does anyone know how much fact was put into the actual movie, and how much was fiction just for entertainment's sake?

Just going off the Wiki page, you can see how the murders and events correlate. But according to Zodiackiller.com, it's all fake. But I don't think anyone at that site had actually seen the movie at the time that I read it.

[SingleDoubt]

I'm wondering the same thing too.

I have a question and I suppose it's a spoiler so don't read if you haven't seen the movie/don't want to be spoiled:

Why did they never ask the woman that escaped to identify the killer too? I mean, they asked the guy that survived (which was a good idea), but how come they never asked the woman? Am I missing something here?

im not sure if this was in the movie but once she escaped, she ran to a local police station and to tell the cops what had just happened, but minutes into her account of her abduction, she looked over to see a wanted poster of Z on the wall and started yelling and pointing at it and saying "That's the guy that abducted me!" if that was in the movie, then im not sure what you mean by that question

[Mula225]

I saw it tonight. I really liked it, but the length was a bit overbearing. Robert Downey Junior's performance is worth seeing alone.
ya

[TSLpunk182]

I liked it a lot but I made the mistake of going to see it at 11:30. Even with it ending close to 2:30 and keeping me interested throughout the whole thing I would still recomend for people to see it at 7 or 8. I don't know his name, but the guy that used to be on ER.... was it just me or was it weird seeing him with hair?

[Lueda Alia]

im not sure if this was in the movie but once she escaped, she ran to a local police station and to tell the cops what had just happened, but minutes into her account of her abduction, she looked over to see a wanted poster of Z on the wall and started yelling and pointing at it and saying "That's the guy that abducted me!" if that was in the movie, then im not sure what you mean by that question
Oh, I get that, but it's not what I'm asking. Near the end of the movie, one of the victims that escaped identified Lee in those mug shots presented to him. Why did they not do the same thing with this woman? Why did not they show her pictures of Alan/suspects so she could identify him? I mean, out of all people she was the one who looked at his face for longer, right?

[Lueda Alia]

I've been checking ZodiacKiller.com frequently since last night. :-D

[selftitled85]

its getting eh reviews.

too long and people are saying it is a relatively dull movie.

[TJ Wells]

its getting eh reviews.

too long and people are saying it is a relatively dull movie.
? its getting great reviews.

[drudo182]

its getting eh reviews.

too long and people are saying it is a relatively dull movie.

Its at 87% on Rotten Tomatoes. Whether or not you go by that or not, it doesnt really matter. The fact is, its getting great reviews.

I am seeing this tomorrow. Save myself some money and go to the noon show.

[gonz]

its getting eh reviews.

too long and people are saying it is a relatively dull movie.
www.rottentomatoes.com

[TJ Wells]

yeah...its 77 at metacritic too, which is still great.

[buysoap]

Don't put faith in what critics say.

[TJ Wells]

Don't put faith in what critics say.
I do when it's a good movie. And I usually agree with critics, so I should listen to them.

[newfoundnorcal]

i'm seeing this tonight. also, the zodiac is a big deal where i'm from (obviously) so i'll have to see how people react here. most of my friends and i are pretty into the case, and i saw on the news yesterday that older people were saying it was accurate enough. so we'll see. i'm excited

[drudo182]

Don't put faith in what critics say.

it's still a general consensus. why listen to anybody if you have that motto?

just see it for yourself.

[Lueda Alia]

? its getting great reviews.
Haha yeah, it is.

I don't know what Bryan is talking about.

[niveK]

Oh, I get that, but it's not what I'm asking. Near the end of the movie, one of the victims that escaped identified Lee in those mug shots presented to him. Why did they not do the same thing with this woman? Why did not they show her pictures of Alan/suspects so she could identify him? I mean, out of all people she was the one who looked at his face for longer, right?

I thought that was one of the crimes claimed by Zodiac but wasn't really.

Also was anyone laughing as hard as I when he said "I'm gonna throw your baby out the window"?


Great movie

[TheRaptor]

Despite it's length, the movie never bored me. I thought it was good.

[-Aaron-]

Yah I agreed the length didn't effect me besides that the seats were not comfy enough.

I tried thinking of some stuff they could cut out but I couldnt because almost everything was in there to tell some part of the story. You gotta think about the case is over a 35 year time period. So getting all the information to tell a story that long in 3 hours is actually done very well.

[TJ Wells]

And I just want to say, John Carol Lynch, the guy who played Robert Lee Allen, is probably the most unappreciated actor working today.

[selftitled85]

? its getting great reviews.

in many of the newspapers.

but i just saw it and i liked it a lot

[fluke182]

What a fucking knockout. That movie was incredible. I feel perfectly fine saying that is my new favorite Fincher film. I loved every second of that.

[SePaMc]

Everyone in the theater was just complaining about its length. Its sad thats all they thought, but our local theater has shit seats and it was the 10:20 showing. However, I went in knowing how long it was and what to expect and my expectations were exceeded.

I read the Black Dahlia book ... and this was everything I wanted from that movie. The Black Dahlia movie sucked horribly, but this was a great crime drama that showed you how the case grabs people and tears the lives apart gyllenhaal .

And to the guy who laughed at the I'm going to throw your baby....no, nobody laughed. I heard shrieks from the theater and it wasn't even sold out. Usually I hate drawn out terror/killings because they are cheesy...but I was genuinely ...disturbed by the scenes. (Not at you) There were drunk girls behind me that were trying to be entertained to the fullest, and it just made me sad what our generation looks for in movies. I'll admit -- I went to SOAP trashed, because I knew not to expect something to grab me emotionally and show me information. However, this was a movie that was not just to make you laugh and let you have a good time. It's true story, and its an unsolved crime...what were they looking for? Go see Reno 9-1-1.

[SePaMc]

What a fucking knockout. That movie was incredible. I feel perfectly fine saying that is my new favorite Fincher film. I loved every second of that.

Wow. Bold statement. But I love Seven and Palahniuk too much to put this that high.

Definitely a great, great movie though. Visually excellent and great acting.

[Lueda Alia]

Everyone in the theater was just complaining about its length. Its sad thats all they thought, but our local theater has shit seats and it was the 10:20 showing. However, I went in knowing how long it was and what to expect and my expectations were exceeded.

I read the Black Dahlia book ... and this was everything I wanted from that movie. The Black Dahlia movie sucked horribly, but this was a great crime drama that showed you how the case grabs people and tears the lives apart gyllenhaal .

And to the guy who laughed at the I'm going to throw your baby....no, nobody laughed. I heard shrieks from the theater and it wasn't even sold out. Usually I hate drawn out terror/killings because they are cheesy...but I was genuinely ...disturbed by the scenes. (Not at you) There were drunk girls behind me that were trying to be entertained to the fullest, and it just made me sad what our generation looks for in movies. I'll admit -- I went to SOAP trashed, because I knew not to expect something to grab me emotionally and show me information. However, this was a movie that was not just to make you laugh and let you have a good time. It's true story, and its an unsolved crime...what were they looking for? Go see Reno 9-1-1.
That's sad. The theater that I went to was packed.

[icyeyes26]

i was going to see it but i had to work. but i mean, the zodiac killed was SF and not far from me!

[SePaMc]

That's sad. The theater that I went to was packed.

What time did you go?

We went after 10, so thats pretty late. Kinda sucks it only got one screen so there is a 7:00 and 10:20 showing. 8-8:30 would be ideal...but oh well.

I still loved it...and if there were more people it probably would have been of the drunken college sort -- so maybe its for the best.

[SePaMc]

i was going to see it but i had to work. but i mean, the zodiac killed was SF and not far from me!

Where are you from?

I'm at school in SC and am from Sacto Area. It's weird...my mom wasn't allowed to trick or treat because of the zodiac. Kinda crazy...and I think knowing the area made the movie that much better.

I'm interested to see Casey's thoughts. Although only one murder was in SF.

[selftitled85]

the theater i saw it at was not even a quarter full

[reductiondesign]

Just got back from this--I was very impressed. Strong opening, some scenes were done REALLY well, and some of the shots were really well done. Downey had great, great lines. Gyllenhaal was excellent.

8/10. Better than expected.

[aminorthreat55]

it was boring, extremely poorly executed, and poorly edited.

great acting, and i really wanted to like it. the first hour was awesome, then after that, they drag on, and on, and on, and on... etc. there was just tons of the movie that was completely unnecessary to have entire scenes of. you constantly keep thinking "this part could be really good, i'm excited, the movies still lagging, but it's ok, it's about to pick up into something great..." never happens. it was enjoyable, but i'd only recommend it if you're dead set on seeing it, or have almost three hours to kill.
I'd disagree on almost every count there.

I agree.

Does anyone know how much fact was put into the actual movie, and how much was fiction just for entertainment's sake?
Just going off the Wiki page, you can see how the murders and events correlate. But according to Zodiackiller.com, it's all fake. But I don't think anyone at that site had actually seen the movie at the time that I read it.
The Chronicle said it was extremely accurate.

[aminorthreat55]

I thought Fincher did an excellent job with this film. I had known just about every detail of the cases and he did a great job creating a menacing atmosphere, specifically in Allen's trailer and Vaughn's basement.

[fluke182]

Wow. Bold statement. But I love Seven and Palahniuk too much to put this that high.

Definitely a great, great movie though. Visually excellent and great acting.
I love Seven, Fight Club, even the Game. This movie was perfect for me, it was so methodical and I loved the entirety of the investigation. I was absolutely riveted. It felt like Fincher perfected his style into a pure mix of style and substance, when previously he felt overly reliant on style. Amazing.

[Lueda Alia]

What time did you go?

We went after 10, so thats pretty late. Kinda sucks it only got one screen so there is a 7:00 and 10:20 showing. 8-8:30 would be ideal...but oh well.

I still loved it...and if there were more people it probably would have been of the drunken college sort -- so maybe its for the best.
I went at 10:15 pm as well. There were barely any seats in the theater and the previous showings were sold out too.

[Jason Tate]

Interesting movie that left me with more questions than answers. Pretty good though.

[TxRepresent]

This movie was fucking incredible.

[Adeniz19]

I watched it earlier. I didn't love it but I think Fincher did a great job with it. It was long but you do get sucked right into the case and I felt the pace was steady enough. Such a bizarre case. It seems everything points towards Lee except for all the hard facts. It's too bad we probably will never know who it really is.

[TJ Wells]

I saw a special about this on one of those true crime shows yesterday, and wow, he really followed everything to the T. It was like I was watching the movie again.

[selftitled85]

the scene from vaughns basement creeped me the fuck out.

part of me wondered if he was the killer....and graysmith said he heard footsteps upstairs...who do you think it was?

[newfoundnorcal]

Oh, I get that, but it's not what I'm asking. Near the end of the movie, one of the victims that escaped identified Lee in those mug shots presented to him. Why did they not do the same thing with this woman? Why did not they show her pictures of Alan/suspects so she could identify him? I mean, out of all people she was the one who looked at his face for longer, right?

most people agree that her case wasn't a zodiac case, even though she identified him a the police station after seeing a poster of him on the wall. they think she was just too terrified and figured it must have been him. they talk about it later, how the zodiac took credit for a lot more murders than they could ever really link to him. remember when graysmith is looking at the articles in the paper and sees that there was information about how she was abducted in the modesto bee? then the zodiac wrote the letter later with no extra details, just what was in the article, so they dismissed it as not a real Z abduction. the zodiac loved to rub his murders in the cops/reporters faces, so if he had abducted that woman in modesto, they say he would have finished the job AND then bragged about it in detail.

i really enjoyed this movie. as i said before, my friends and i used to creep each other out by talking about the zodiac could be ANYONE, even a bum. we went through this phase in high school where we researched the zodiac and all that. i think this movie did a great job tying all the loose ends together, and making a strong case against arthur leigh allen.

for those that say the movie is too long, it's not. i didn't once think it was a long movie- it was gripping and totally sucks you in.

it's impossible to include everything, as it's an enormous case, but i think they did a GREAT job. however, i wish they would have talked about how DNA testing in the 80s brought the case back to life. everyone wanted them to test the envelopes of the letters for a suspect's DNA, but when they did, the DNA didn't match any of their suspects, and i actually believe it wasn't all the same DNA on all the letters. however, it was later stated by friends of arthur leigh allen that he hated the taste of envelope glue and would ask any one of his friends to lick his envelopes. i thought that was really interesting.

[Adeniz19]

it's impossible to include everything, as it's an enormous case, but i think they did a GREAT job. however, i wish they would have talked about how DNA testing in the 80s brought the case back to life. everyone wanted them to test the envelopes of the letters for a suspect's DNA, but when they did, the DNA didn't match any of their suspects, and i actually believe it wasn't all the same DNA on all the letters. however, it was later stated by friends of arthur leigh allen that he hated the taste of envelope glue and would ask any one of his friends to lick his envelopes. i thought that was really interesting.hmmm that would be the only way to explain it. it's not like they knew about DNA in the 60s/70s.

[newfoundnorcal]

hmmm that would be the only way to explain it. it's not like they knew about DNA in the 60s/70s.

yeah, i kept thinking that had it happened now they might be able to solve it. back then no one had cell phones, so the survivors couldn't call anyone fast enough while they still remembered everything as vividly as they could, they didn't have DNA testing, and (like the movie showed) they didn't really have faxes to get everything over fast. everything had to be sent by mail. also, i bet if all the police stations had cooperated it would have gone faster as well. lame.

but yeah, it also sucks for the SFPD because they had a search warrant but they had to pick ONE place to search. they searched the place it showed in the movie, and they found guns/ammo/etc, but after allen died the vallejo PD were able to search his other house. no one really knows what they found because it's been confidential, as the VPD case is still open, but apparently they did find a video marked "Z" with a symbol, but it didn't have any confession or anything, so once again, it's just circumstancial evidence.

[meeotch]

im so pumped to see this. i saw a special on this the other night, and the theories and speculations surrounding the entire zodiac case and trying to find out who he is is quite interesting.

[-Aaron-]

the scene from vaughns basement creeped me the fuck out.

part of me wondered if he was the killer....and graysmith said he heard footsteps upstairs...who do you think it was?

My friends and I figured. Lee had his friend Vaughn write the letters. So that was Lee walking around upstairs.

[Colin Farrell]

Great movie, could've used a bit more time in the editing room.

[reductiondesign]

To everyone complaining about the editing: What didn't you like about it?

[Greg.Kushlan]

I loved the movie. I hated the stupid people who said it was too long and the ending sucked, I heard several people mention those things while I was leaving.

[TasonJate]

I need to see this ASAP, ive been hooked on this case ever since seeing the cold case file

[newfoundnorcal]

while the chronicle was gathering information to put together a big story about the zodiac case for this weekend, they came across a card that got put into the zodiac file that they had never given much attention to beforehand. they called in the dude from zodiackiller.com, as well as a couple handwriting experts to check it out. it was another card like the one he sent paul avery, and it included a xeroxed copy of 2 P.O. box keys (you could see the number of the P.O. box) and a pen light. it was sent in 1990. some of the experts say it wasn't the zodiac, but some of them say it was. also, people are saying that the P.O. box may have had clues as to who the zodiac was, but the chronicle dropped the ball by dismissing it. the card was sent in 1990 so if it's legit, it's big news. either way, here's the letter in case any of you want to see it:

ENVELOPE:
http://zodiackillerfacts.com/images/1990-1.jpg

CARD FRONT:
http://zodiackillerfacts.com/images/1990-4.jpg

CARD INSIDE:
http://zodiackillerfacts.com/images/1990-3.jpg

XEROXED PAPER INSERT:
http://zodiackillerfacts.com/images/1990-5.jpg

[Lueda Alia]

I've been reading about this over at ZodiacKiller.com since Friday. I wonder if anything will come out of it.

[newfoundnorcal]

I've been reading about this over at ZodiacKiller.com since Friday. I wonder if anything will come out of it.

i would doubt that anything could really come out of it, seeing as that was sent 16 years ago, and the contents of the PO box would have been destroyed by now. sad.

[IAmNietzche]

People need to stop throwing around the word "editing" like they know what they're talking about. Just because a film is long doesn't mean it was poorly edited. Though not my favorite Fincher film, this was by far his best directed. To pull so much together; so many view points, so many stories, so much evidence and so many character relationships and to execute it that well was a testament to a fantastically directed film. Not to take anything away from the actors (Ruffalo especially) but Fincher deserves some serious praise for this film.

[AShannon04]

I dunno about anyone else, but I really thought there were some great, genuinely funny moments in the movie.

[newfoundnorcal]

I dunno about anyone else, but I really thought there were some great, genuinely funny moments in the movie.

my boyfriend and i laughed out loud at random parts. not like what one person said earlier about the baby being thrown out the window because that wasn't supposed to be funny. just other parts, i can't remember off the top of my head at the moment.

also some of the zodiac letters are humorus in a weird way. like how he was all about them wearing zodiac buttons and he'd write letters like, "i want you to wear nice zodiac buttons" and when they didn't he'd be like, "everyone else has buttons. if you won't wear nice ones, wear mean ones! and who is gonna play me in the movie?"

[reductiondesign]

People need to stop throwing around the word "editing" like they know what they're talking about. Just because a film is long doesn't mean it was poorly edited. Though not my favorite Fincher film, this was by far his best directed. To pull so much together; so many view points, so many stories, so much evidence and so many character relationships and to execute it that well was a testament to a fantastically directed film. Not to take anything away from the actors (Ruffalo especially) but Fincher deserves some serious praise for this film.

I thought Downey stole the show, easily.

[AShannon04]

my boyfriend and i laughed out loud at random parts. not like what one person said earlier about the baby being thrown out the window because that wasn't supposed to be funny. just other parts, i can't remember off the top of my head at the moment.

also some of the zodiac letters are humorus in a weird way. like how he was all about them wearing zodiac buttons and he'd write letters like, "i want you to wear nice zodiac buttons" and when they didn't he'd be like, "everyone else has buttons. if you won't wear nice ones, wear mean ones! and who is gonna play me in the movie?"

Yeah, that's what I was talking about. I can't remember any particularly good ones either, but when Robert was talking on the phone with someone and they asked who he was working with, he said "colleagues" when talking about his kids, I laughed a little bit. Oh, and the part about the blue drink was great.

[Colin Farrell]

The man does have a knack for directing dialogue. I foresee him winning quite a few Oscars in his day.

[AShannon04]

Who loved seeing Minkus from Boy Meets World in there at the beginning?

[newfoundnorcal]

Yeah, that's what I was talking about. I can't remember any particularly good ones either, but when Robert was talking on the phone with someone and they asked who he was working with, he said "colleagues" when talking about his kids, I laughed a little bit. Oh, and the part about the blue drink was great.

hahahhaa yeah! the blue drink was definitely funny.

[tymsnurmn04]

I haven't seen yet.

But I drool over anything with David Fincher's name on it.

[walshknilb281]

i enjoyed the indie "The Zodiac" flick from 2005 a bit better, maybe because i saw it last week and it was pretty much the same movie, but it was decent.

[aminorthreat55]

People need to stop throwing around the word "editing" like they know what they're talking about. Just because a film is long doesn't mean it was poorly edited. Though not my favorite Fincher film, this was by far his best directed. To pull so much together; so many view points, so many stories, so much evidence and so many character relationships and to execute it that well was a testament to a fantastically directed film. Not to take anything away from the actors (Ruffalo especially) but Fincher deserves some serious praise for this film.
Thank you. And I'd agree with the directing comment as well.

[aminorthreat55]

my boyfriend and i laughed out loud at random parts. not like what one person said earlier about the baby being thrown out the window because that wasn't supposed to be funny. just other parts, i can't remember off the top of my head at the moment.

also some of the zodiac letters are humorus in a weird way. like how he was all about them wearing zodiac buttons and he'd write letters like, "i want you to wear nice zodiac buttons" and when they didn't he'd be like, "everyone else has buttons. if you won't wear nice ones, wear mean ones! and who is gonna play me in the movie?"
His letters were definitely hilarious. I think this may be my favorite:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikisource/en/thumb/d/d3/Zodiac-Dragon.jpg/703px-Zodiac-Dragon.jpg

[leigh]

I had pretty high expectations walking into this movie, and they were all met within the first hour and a half. However, nearing the middle of the film, I felt that they had already reached the climax, everything was building up, intense research on the murders was being done, they had a suspect, there were just a few, little details that had to be wrapped up before the movie could end and I was sitting there thinking "Wow, this is awesome" when all of a sudden the movies pace just fell, and they plateaued. So I sat and waited it out. And waited. And waited. And then, another brief climax, this time in the form of another suspect and a basement (which had me on the edge of my seat the entire time) and then again, the movie plateaued. By the final credits, I had lost so much interest in the film I didnt give a shit about the ending or the characters or the brief notes at the end of the film that tells you where everyone else ended up in life.

I wont say I dont like long movies, because long movies can be incredibly well done. This movie was well done. The script, acting, directing, editing (at times) was all awesome, but even if you loved it, you have to admit there were a few 30 second sequences that had no place at all and wouldnt have been missed if they had been left on the cutting room floor. I think with this movie, the pacing was the only thing that really bothered me.

[Colin Farrell]

I had pretty high expectations walking into this movie, and they were all met within the first hour and a half. However, nearing the middle of the film, I felt that they had already reached the climax, everything was building up, intense research on the murders was being done, they had a suspect, there were just a few, little details that had to be wrapped up before the movie could end and I was sitting there thinking "Wow, this is awesome" when all of a sudden the movies pace just fell, and they plateaued. So I sat and waited it out. And waited. And waited. And then, another brief climax, this time in the form of another suspect and a basement (which had me on the edge of my seat the entire time) and then again, the movie plateaued. By the final credits, I had lost so much interest in the film I didnt give a shit about the ending or the characters or the brief notes at the end of the film that tells you where everyone else ended up in life.

I wont say I dont like long movies, because long movies can be incredibly well done. This movie was well done. The script, acting, directing, editing (at times) was all awesome, but even if you loved it, you have to admit there were a few 30 second sequences that had no place at all and wouldnt have been missed if they had been left on the cutting room floor. I think with this movie, the pacing was the only thing that really bothered me.

My sentiments exactly.

[newfoundnorcal]

I had pretty high expectations walking into this movie, and they were all met within the first hour and a half. However, nearing the middle of the film, I felt that they had already reached the climax, everything was building up, intense research on the murders was being done, they had a suspect, there were just a few, little details that had to be wrapped up before the movie could end and I was sitting there thinking "Wow, this is awesome" when all of a sudden the movies pace just fell, and they plateaued. So I sat and waited it out. And waited. And waited. And then, another brief climax, this time in the form of another suspect and a basement (which had me on the edge of my seat the entire time) and then again, the movie plateaued. By the final credits, I had lost so much interest in the film I didnt give a shit about the ending or the characters or the brief notes at the end of the film that tells you where everyone else ended up in life.

I wont say I dont like long movies, because long movies can be incredibly well done. This movie was well done. The script, acting, directing, editing (at times) was all awesome, but even if you loved it, you have to admit there were a few 30 second sequences that had no place at all and wouldnt have been missed if they had been left on the cutting room floor. I think with this movie, the pacing was the only thing that really bothered me.

i feel like you just echoed the frustrations of the people involved in the case at the time, and that is the point. are you suggesting that you'd rather have a film where they catch the zodiac, when they really didn't? or that it just stopped after they had their first suspect? i think i would have felt let down a lot more in that case. they never found out who the zodiac was in real life, they couldn't have found him in the movie. i think it would have been a LOT lamer to wrap up what you consider to be "little details" at what you consider the "end" of the movie.

and i, conversely, felt really connected to the characters and definitely cared about what happened to them. different strokes, i guess.

[leigh]

I think you misinterpreted my original post.
I have no qualms with the content of the film. I know they never found the Zodiac killer. I didnt say the movie had to end where I thought it was going to, did I? I just said the pace of the movie was awkward. I also never said I didnt give a shit about the characters, I said that by the end of the film I was just so tired of sitting in a theater for 3 hours I just skimmed over the "Avery went on to..." bits that flashed up just before the credits.

Its great trying to get the audience into the "frustrations of the people involved in the case". I'm glad you could turn that frustration into something positive. I'm not the kind of person who sits and watches a movie simply to be entertained, far from it. I accept the fact that this movie wasn't perfect for me. It wasnt exactly what I was looking for when I paid for my ticket. I can appreciate all the shit the real life people went through, who they lost and how their lives ended up throughout the duration of this case, I just feel as in the form of a movie, it wasn't right for me. This topic is something I would much rather read a book about.

Like I said to being with, the only thing about this movie that truly bothered me was the pace. The random buildups were annoying. Its kinda like being seconds away from an orgasm, and then your partner suddenly pulls out. I'll let you interpret that however you chose to.

[drudo182]

great, great movie.

not finchers best, but its up there.

RD Jr. was ammmmazing. everyone was. love ruffalo like always and gyllenhaal was a hoot.

8/10

[drudo182]

His letters were definitely hilarious. I think this may be my favorite:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikisource/en/thumb/d/d3/Zodiac-Dragon.jpg/703px-Zodiac-Dragon.jpg

good Lord, that's sick!

ha.

[ThexQuietxCull]

jr. stole the damn show in this one. great job by fincher, not my favorite, but extremely well done on his part with getting the info in there