View Full Version : Marilyn Manson is a Very Smart Man
Jason Tate
03/02/07, 10:05 AM
You can watch the video of Marilyn Manson on the O'Reily Factor discussing the "corrosive affects of popular music world on some of American children," here (http://www.neufstream.com/tag/music/video/xyg7q_marilyn-manson-on-oreily-factor?from=rss).
Jason Tate
03/02/07, 10:07 AM
The interview itself is a few years old, however this was the first time I saw it online - and find it still relevant today.
He's kind of a clownshoe when it comes to his music and performances, but he's one of the more articulate controversial artists I've ever seen.
BeerNSluts
03/02/07, 10:15 AM
I've always enjoyed watching him speak. I'm not sure of the video, but there is one in a dressing room where he is conducting an interview where he talks about kids in today's world. He's dead on.
Paul Diggity
03/02/07, 10:16 AM
He's kind of a clownshoe when it comes to his music and performances, but he's one of the more articulate controversial artists I've ever seen.I dissagree... his music is just as smart and articulate as when he does interviews... its just shock-rock
Jason Tate
03/02/07, 10:18 AM
I've always enjoyed watching him speak. I'm not sure of the video, but there is one in a dressing room where he is conducting an interview where he talks about kids in today's world. He's dead on.
I'd assume it's the "bowling for columbine" interview?
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gnp8472
03/02/07, 10:22 AM
o'reilly actually really conducts himself well here, and the questions themselves all get at major points that have to do with the state of children today.
i dont agree with the way manson conducts himself, i think hees a hippocrit in some sense (what he said about the media blowing up the columbine kids could easily be said about himself: that his image is created to make the media want to blow him up for being this pariah)... but he gets at alot of key points about society today...
again, im actually slanted here towards o'reilly's side... plenty of artists are able to make statement about the overall condition of pop culture today without doing the extreme things that manson does...
and again its good to see polarizing figures discussing things in a very appropriate way... niether of them took any shots at the other, only resorting to pointing out clear cut facts about the culture that either lives in...
manson's articulate, and i think if he ditched the uniform that he wears now that has garnered him so much status as this social pariah or 'figure of satan'... i think he could actually start being heard as a legitimate cultural figure... because right now if marilyn manson was to come out and speak against suicide and depression and the entire culture that the youth seem to be engulfed in, i dont think people would take him seriously because he looks and, to a certain extent, acts the actions he is trying to stop while on stage.
but overall, very relevant.
BeerNSluts
03/02/07, 10:22 AM
Yep, that's the interview.
saveyourshows
03/02/07, 10:26 AM
amazing. i think bill o'reilly is a douche bag though.
LouderThanBombs
03/02/07, 10:26 AM
i think his music is "gimmicky" at times, but i agree he is a very smart man.
PunkDrums182
03/02/07, 10:30 AM
The interview gave me a new found respect for Manson.
I dissagree... his music is just as smart and articulate as when he does interviews... its just shock-rock
I guess I meant to say that I don't dig the theatrics of it all. I haven't really heard a lot of his music outside of the singles he's released, and therefore shouldn't have said anything about the merit of the music he makes, other than it's not really my kind of stuff.
WarpSpeedChewy
03/02/07, 10:33 AM
He's very well spoken.
Paul Diggity
03/02/07, 10:37 AM
I guess I meant to say that I don't dig the theatrics of it all. I haven't really heard a lot of his music outside of the singles he's released, and therefore shouldn't have said anything about the merit of the music he makes, other than it's not really my kind of stuff.Yeah music like that is really a multi-media event... if you saw his live show there are alot of gimics and shocking visuals that don't come across in just listening to it... see some of his videos and you'll ge a better idea because the man is a smart musician. Everything he does in shows, recordings, interviews, statements, writings is all from a very thought-out place.
sweetfootaction
03/02/07, 10:40 AM
I still have no idea how people can blame music/video games/media for the mistakes that are made in society today. If you have common sense, you know the difference between right and wrong and know how to discern between fantasy and reality.
I don't necessarily like Marilyn Manson's music but from what I've seen, he is a very articulate individual with a lot of great points to make. The fact that stupid people need to look for someone to blame doesn't have anything to do with him.
jake_rm
03/02/07, 10:41 AM
hahaha, O'Reily's face at 2:12 is a classic
xerovision1
03/02/07, 10:45 AM
love marilyn manson... hate bill o'reilly.
dan.is.empire
03/02/07, 10:51 AM
he may be smart but he's still a part of that with the ridiculous music he makes and his attitude towards...well...everything...
secretninja
03/02/07, 10:55 AM
i don't listen to marilyn manson but i do have a lot of respect for that guy.
joelibyan
03/02/07, 11:00 AM
i dont think bill gets it here. he keeps referring to the f-word this, makeup that... its like the "color of the skin not the content of your character" argument... o'reilly keeps looking at the "eye, the lipstick" and not what he's saying...
ashcroft
03/02/07, 11:05 AM
I don't listen to an abundance of Manson, but I respect his opinions. His music may be "gimmicky" but in some ways this can be a smart move. Read his book "The Long Hard Road Out Of Hell" its a great read, and you get to see how genius this man is.
LouderThanBombs
03/02/07, 11:05 AM
I still have no idea how people can blame music/video games/media for the mistakes that are made in society today. If you have common sense, you know the difference between right and wrong and know how to discern between fantasy and reality.
I don't necessarily like Marilyn Manson's music but from what I've seen, he is a very articulate individual with a lot of great points to make. The fact that stupid people need to look for someone to blame doesn't have anything to do with him.
agree.
asmolitor
03/02/07, 11:11 AM
the look on bill's face reminds me of the look on tipper gore's face when she realized dee snider could actually craft a well-articulated argument.
atticus1492
03/02/07, 11:13 AM
Nice interview. The guy is very smart. I don't like the music at all, though.
missuscrime
03/02/07, 11:24 AM
Manson is a genius. Read his auto-biography, its incredibly interesting. A tad bit self-promoting, but really interesting none the less.
MotionIsntMeaning
03/02/07, 11:38 AM
That was one of the better interviews I've seen O'reilly do. Both he and Manson came across very well.
framebyframe
03/02/07, 11:41 AM
I don't like his music, but I love listening to him speak. His voice is addicting and he really is an intelligent man. I realized that after watching Bowling For Columbine.
Ms Smurf
03/02/07, 11:42 AM
He's shockingly articulate. Probably the most pertinent thing about Bowling For Columbine was what he said about no one wanting to listen.
lilRIPsta
03/02/07, 12:00 PM
amazing. i think bill o'reilly is a douche bag though.
how is he a douche bag? very ignorant statement
Holden85
03/02/07, 12:05 PM
how is he a douche bag? very ignorant statement
that is a very ignorant statment...how is he not a douche bag? how are you not one for defending the evil empire?
sweetfootaction
03/02/07, 12:06 PM
how is he a douche bag? very ignorant statement
I'm going to wager a guess that you are a conservative republican. Am I wrong?
Paul Diggity
03/02/07, 12:29 PM
the look on bill's face reminds me of the look on tipper gore's face when she realized dee snider could actually craft a well-articulated argument.Ha ha! Yeah... very similar situation here
music_is_my_boy
03/02/07, 12:51 PM
The interview gave me a new found respect for Manson.
i agree, i dont actually like his stuff except for the song he did for QOTD, but i think that he is a great speaker for our generation. on the whole, a very clever guy
andshewontsleep
03/02/07, 01:09 PM
i hate his music, but he really is very smart
drivethruaz
03/02/07, 01:48 PM
Manson is seriously a genious, he deserves nothing but respect
legalize
03/02/07, 02:41 PM
that video jason posted cuts out at the best part. When asked what he would say to the kids who did the columbine massacre, he says "nothing...i would listen because no one else would". very smart man, and if you can his music for what it is, music its very entertaining.
Adrian Villagomez
03/02/07, 03:32 PM
This interview was fantastic. I hate Manson's musitc, but his intellect and skills as an orator really shined through. O'Reily also asked some solid questions that were challenging, but not overly-aggressive. Manson's point about not doing interviews during the Columbine aftermath brought a smile to my face, because it was so valid.
Scott Pippen
03/02/07, 04:47 PM
i wanted so bad for them to sing a duet of long hard road into hell. mm is gene
azrielen
03/02/07, 06:00 PM
I've always enjoyed his rare video interviews, especially on these more political shows. More artists should be given a voice on shows like this. Bill Maher did it best on Politically Incorrect. (Rufus Wainwright's spat with that random religious wingnut on Politically Incorrect was EPIC.) There should be more oportunities for intelligent discourse with popular music artists. Maybe more kids would read the newspaper and give a shit about these issues.
music3chick
03/02/07, 06:43 PM
I still have no idea how people can blame music/video games/media for the mistakes that are made in society today. If you have common sense, you know the difference between right and wrong and know how to discern between fantasy and reality.
I don't necessarily like Marilyn Manson's music but from what I've seen, he is a very articulate individual with a lot of great points to make. The fact that stupid people need to look for someone to blame doesn't have anything to do with him.
completely agree.
i dont think bill gets it here. he keeps referring to the f-word this, makeup that... its like the "color of the skin not the content of your character" argument... o'reilly keeps looking at the "eye, the lipstick" and not what he's saying...
exactly.
it just looks like bill wanted to say "you're the problem here, you caused this". manson is an entertainer. should it be his fault that kids are so easily influenced?
combatchuckaa
03/03/07, 12:59 AM
Am I the only one who perceived Manson's responses to O'Reilly's questions to be noticeably riddled with holes in logic? How on earth can you expect to "change people's views on morals" when the manner in which you go about trying to change those views is perceived as offensively "immoral" by a significant majority of society? It's not like someone's going to see his videos/concerts and suddenly think, "Gee, my moral compass has been completely pointed in the wrong direction this entire time. Maybe I need to rethink my views on morality based on having seen Manson perform a homosexual act on another man.."
During the entire interview (if you take the time to open your mind to this possibility), Manson sidesteps every question O'Reilly poses to him--O'Reilly is asking questions that are pointed not at some generalized idea that Manson's an "entertainer" who fits right in with every other "entertainer," (he's definitely in a league of his own in many ways) but ones which are pointed directly *at* Manson and his behavior. A true sign of intelligence is being able to respond to poignant questions like O'Reilly's by acknowledging the possibility that *your own* behavior MAY hold some measurable amount of influence in today's world. Let's face it, someone who's sold 5 million albums is well-known and those individuals in our world today who are "well-known" possess a level of influence/sway that ordinary citizens do not hold--and in Manson's case, he chooses to use his influence in a way that is pretty difficult to prove as having a "positive" effect. Think about it for a sec.
fearthesloths
03/03/07, 06:27 AM
althought im not a huge fan of his music, i've always respected how he handles himself in interviews and i think he is one of the most intelligent men in music today.
lilRIPsta
03/03/07, 07:54 PM
I'm going to wager a guess that you are a conservative republican. Am I wrong?
wrong. conservative american.
During the entire interview (if you take the time to open your mind to this possibility), Manson sidesteps every question O'Reilly poses to him--O'Reilly is asking questions that are pointed not at some generalized idea that Manson's an "entertainer" who fits right in with every other "entertainer," (he's definitely in a league of his own in many ways) but ones which are pointed directly *at* Manson and his behavior. A true sign of intelligence is being able to respond to poignant questions like O'Reilly's by acknowledging the possibility that *your own* behavior MAY hold some measurable amount of influence in today's world. Let's face it, someone who's sold 5 million albums is well-known and those individuals in our world today who are "well-known" possess a level of influence/sway that ordinary citizens do not hold--and in Manson's case, he chooses to use his influence in a way that is pretty difficult to prove as having a "positive" effect. Think about it for a sec.
I totally disagree, Manson's answers are all on the button and I like how he didn't react to O'Reilly's blatant attempts to push his buttons by basically blaming him for kids killing themselves. O'Reilly's main point seems to be that there should be no art in the world that is shocking or offensive because WHAT IF THE CHILDREN SEE IT? Why is he not ragging on the parents who are irresponsible? Why should any artist's creativity be stifled because some people have no idea how to raise a child? And why is no-one furious at his blatant homophobia when he suggests that if a confused kid sees manson perform a sex act on a man that kid may question their own sexuality, like this is an immoral, horrible thing? What a detestable human being.
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