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bigmike
03/04/07, 06:38 PM
http://www.forbes.com/2007/03/02/sports-greatest-gms-biz-cz_jg_0302gms_2.html

The list, to me, is questionable.

1) Matt Millen is not last. How this is possible is beyond me entirely.

2) Dave Dombrowski (Tigers GM) ranks behind Brian Sabean (SF Giants GM) .... again, how this is possible is beyond me.

3) The Cubs Jim Hendry ahead of the White Sox Kenny Williams? Huh?

4) Terry Ryan of the Minnesota Twins, Brian Cashman, Kevin Towers (Padres GM), Mark Shapiro (Cle Indians GM) all behind Mike Flanagan of the Baltimore Orioles?

5) Why is Ken Holland (Red Wings GM) so low compared to other NHL GMs?

These are only GMs with at least 3 years experience as a General Manager in the 4 major sports.

Methodology:
The general manager is the most influential and scrutinized position in sports because he decides how the owner's money is spent on players.
Forbes.com's first-ever proprietary look at GMs in the NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB grades each GM on two yardsticks. First, there's the performance (regular season winning percentage and postseason wins) during the GM's tenure versus the performance of his predecessor. Second, there's the GM's relative (to the league median) payroll compared with his predecessor's relative payroll.
And the NBA's Minnesota Timberwolves GM Kevin McHale tops our list.Only the 98 current GMs with at least three years of service were reviewed. In terms of enhancing the value of a sports franchise, winning is more important than payroll. So we double-weight winning percentage in our scoring to discount GMs (like Mark Shapiro of the Cleveland Indians) who successfully cut costs but in so doing damaged their franchise.
Our rankings will surely raise some eyebrows.

The Timberwolves' McHale has been harshly criticized in the press for not giving superstar Kevin Garnett the supporting cast to win a championship. But McHale has guided the Timberwolves to eight playoff births and a .539 regular season winning percentage--more than double his predecessor’s .244. Winning improvement under McHale has been so great that it offset a 19% rise in salary against the NBA's median payroll during his 11 years as GM.
Another GM who has been under the gun the past few years is Glen Sather of the New York Rangers. Despite a bloated payroll, which topped out at a then NHL record $76.5 million in 2003, Sather has not been able to win a single post-season game in his six years in New York. His No. 12 ranking is attributed to prolonged success in Edmonton, where Sather paired Wayne Gretzky and Mark Messier in building an Oilers dynasty that won five Stanley Cups.
There were also some predictable names atop our list. The highest rated baseball GM is Oakland's Billy Beane (No. 26 overall). Beane has been able to capture four division titles and win almost 60% of his games with the small-market A's by developing prospects. Beane has also kept his team’s payroll at 70% of the major league median. Having scouts emphasize statistics like on-base and slugging percentage has allowed Beane to find capable young talent to replace expensive free agent veterans.
Lou Lamoriello of the New Jersey Devils gained acclaim in hockey circles for his ability to put together championship teams with low payrolls. New Jersey's .592 winning percentage in 18 years under Lamoriello is more than twice that of his predecessor and higher than any other team in the NHL's Eastern Conference. Lamoriello has won with a payroll that has been just 75% of the typical hockey team.
Some team owners double as GMs. The success story here is Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys (No. 13), who turned the Cowboys from a has-been to a three-time Super Bowl champion. To his credit, Jones has actually spent less on players, on average, than his league counterparts during his 18-year reign. The failure? Cincinnati Bengals owner and GM Mike Brown (No. 97), who has won half as often as his predecessor, despite outpacing the league's median payroll by 4% since taking over the franchise in 1991.
Interestingly, most of MLB's GMs fall in the middle of the pack. One possible explanation is that baseball's relatively long season and greater yearly payroll fluctuations due to free agency create an unintended balancing effect.
Our rankings compare each general manager to the final three years of his predecessor's tenure in two categories: (1) performance (regular season winning percentage and playoff win totals) and (2) payroll spending (relative to the league median). Performance counts twice as much in our scoring as payroll spending. Scores account for all teams where the GM held the office and are indexed to 100. A score of 120 in winning improvement means the GM won 20% more games than his predecessor. A score of 80 in payroll containment means the GM spent 20% more than the previous GM relative to the league median.

kaskomm09
03/04/07, 06:46 PM
While you wrote that post, Millen just picked you guys another wideout.

wessa
03/04/07, 07:06 PM
the fact that mike milbury is even on the list voids the whole thing

richter915
03/04/07, 07:10 PM
the fact that mike milbury is even on the list voids the whole thing
haha i was just gonna post that

DaveFeelsRight
03/04/07, 07:40 PM
Kenny Williams>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jim Hendry

xearlynovemberx
03/04/07, 08:22 PM
how about omar?

Broken Parachute
03/04/07, 08:29 PM
Glenn Sather is higher than Omar Minaya?

get the fuck outta here

preppyak
03/04/07, 08:48 PM
10 John Paxson 3 179 76 NBA Chicago Bulls (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/32/biz_06nba_Chicago-Bulls_321267.html)

Definitely had to be up there...assembled a team out of shambles from a few years ago...

As for the methodology, it's poor at best...to assume that regular season win percentage is as important as post-season (since I saw no differentiation counting playoffs higher), or that something like say, a championship, shouldn't be factored in is foolish.

It would essentially discredit the GM of the Lakers team that 3-peated, and probably the Bulls as well, because their payrolls were higher than the league median (is my guess), and yet to say someone who created a perennial 1st round playoff exit is significantly better is just foolish...even if your statistics back it up. They are looking too simplistically at something they admit from the start is a difficult issue.

1) Matt Millen is not last. How this is possible is beyond me entirely.
Uh...think of the Raiders in the last 3 years...and tell me they aren't the worst team in the NFL...by far. That is how. And Mike Brown gets shafted because he had a terrible team throughout the 90's. I mean, Millen has the worst payroll containment of the last 3...but the others have just managed to lose more.

xbrokendownx
03/04/07, 09:04 PM
Lou Lamoirello

bigmike
03/04/07, 10:11 PM
10 John Paxson 3 179 76 NBA Chicago Bulls (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/32/biz_06nba_Chicago-Bulls_321267.html)

Definitely had to be up there...assembled a team out of shambles from a few years ago...

As for the methodology, it's poor at best...to assume that regular season win percentage is as important as post-season (since I saw no differentiation counting playoffs higher), or that something like say, a championship, shouldn't be factored in is foolish.

It would essentially discredit the GM of the Lakers team that 3-peated, and probably the Bulls as well, because their payrolls were higher than the league median (is my guess), and yet to say someone who created a perennial 1st round playoff exit is significantly better is just foolish...even if your statistics back it up. They are looking too simplistically at something they admit from the start is a difficult issue.


Uh...think of the Raiders in the last 3 years...and tell me they aren't the worst team in the NFL...by far. That is how. And Mike Brown gets shafted because he had a terrible team throughout the 90's. I mean, Millen has the worst payroll containment of the last 3...but the others have just managed to lose more.
Lions have the worst record since 2000-2001 in the NFL. The year that Matt Millen took the job.

from matt millen's wikipedia page:
After the 2000-2001 season, Millen inherited a reasonably good team that had finished 9-7, barely missing the playoffs when their opponent, the Chicago Bears (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bears), made a 54-yard field goal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_goal) on the final play of the final game of the season [5] (http://www.wndu.com/sports/122000/sports_5169.php). However, under Millen's leadership as CEO/general manager, the Detroit Lions are 24-72 (.250) following the 2006 season,[6] (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2717730&type=story) the worst winning percentage of all 32 NFL teams during that time[7] (http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/97856), and the worst of any franchise in league history over a comparable period of time since the 21-74 (.221) mark recorded by the hapless Tampa Bay Buccaneers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_Bay_Buccaneers) from 1983-88. [8] (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tamindex.htm) (The worst-ever NFL mark over a six-year period is held by the old Chicago Cardinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals), a dismal 9-52-3 (.148) from 1939-44. [9] (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/crdindex.htm))
Despite the team's poor record under Millen and widespread disappointment among fans, the media, and even some players, Millen received a five-year contract extension from owner William Clay Ford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Clay_Ford) at the start of the 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_season) season[10] (http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?document_id=42 6876). Following the team's 3-13 performance in 2006, Ford announced that Millen would be retained as General Manager for at least another season. [11] (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070103/SPORTS0101/701030394&SearchID=73268180347664)

youkwalks
03/04/07, 10:29 PM
This makes me want to do my own MLB list...which is a good idea actually.

Brownpants06
03/04/07, 11:27 PM
Bryan Colangelo is #1

ForlrnPerplxity
03/04/07, 11:33 PM
They list Larry Bird, and he's not even the GM.

ForlrnPerplxity
03/04/07, 11:36 PM
They have Sabean as 31?!?! These guys are a bunch of dumbasses.

we are cured
03/04/07, 11:50 PM
waddell is a great GM

StuGrimson
03/05/07, 05:58 AM
Bryan Colangelo at 94 is the most retarded thing I have ever seen, he singal handidly turned the Raptors from the worst team in the leage to a contender in the east. Instead he is one of the 5 worst?

StuGrimson
03/05/07, 09:39 AM
the fact that mike milbury is even on the list voids the whole thing

Same with Craig Patrick, hell he hasnt been a GM since April 2006.

Markus1186
03/07/07, 11:53 AM
Sather at 12?? no thank you. AND Cashman at 61?