Republicans bar Planned Parenthood funding / SIGN THE PETITION!

[gregxthor]

A statement by Planned Parenthood:

"The U.S. House of Representatives has just voted to bar Planned Parenthood health centers from all federal funding for birth control, cancer screenings, HIV testing, and other lifesaving care.

It is the most dangerous legislative assault in our history, and it cannot go unanswered. We — Planned Parenthood and the three million women, men, and teens who are at risk of losing access to basic care — need you to stand united with us now.

Sign our open letter to every single representative in the House who voted for this cruel, unconscionable, unthinkable law, and to every senator who still has a chance to stop it."

CLICK HERE TO SIGN THE PETITION!!!
--- https://secure.ppaction.org/site/SPageServer?pagename=pp_ppol_ws_I_S tand_with_PP&s_src=standwithppfeb2011_taf


Here is another list of 10 crazy things that Republicans have proposed in recent weeks regarding women:
(http://pol.moveon.org/waronwomen/?id=26177-18510684-bRoGTYx&t=3)

1) Republicans not only want to reduce women's access to abortion care, they're actually trying to redefine rape. After a major backlash, they promised to stop. But they haven't yet. Shocker.

2) A state legislator in Georgia wants to change the legal term for victims of rape, stalking, and domestic violence to "accuser." But victims of other less gendered crimes, like burglary, would remain "victims."

3) In South Dakota, Republicans proposed a bill that could make it legal to murder a doctor who provides abortion care. (Yep, for real.)

4) Republicans want to cut nearly a billion dollars of food and other aid to low-income pregnant women, mothers, babies, and kids.

5) In Congress, Republicans have a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life.

6) Maryland Republicans ended all county money for a low-income kids' preschool program. Why? No need, they said. Women should really be home with the kids, not out working.

7) And at the federal level, Republicans want to cut that same program, Head Start, by $1 billion. That means over 200,000 kids could lose their spots in preschool.

8) Two-thirds of the elderly poor are women, and Republicans are taking aim at them too. A spending bill would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens.

9) Congress just voted for a Republican amendment to cut all federal funding from Planned Parenthood health centers, one of the most trusted providers of basic health care and family planning in our country.

10) And if that wasn't enough, Republicans are pushing to eliminate all funds for the only federal family planning program. (For humans. But Republican Dan Burton has a bill to provide contraception for wild horses. You can't make this stuff up).

[crackedthesky]

Holy shit at number 6. Really? What are single fathers, chopped liver?

[loveisdead]

Holy shit.

[crackedthesky]

What are the odds of this passing the Senate or the White House, though?

[jwicklun]

Holy fuck, these are ridiculous.

[jwicklun]

Signed it.

[Life,I'msorry]

What are the odds of this passing the Senate or the White House, though?


Little, to none... Hopefully?

[crackedthesky]

Little, to none... Hopefully?

Hopefully.

[Debut_Fin]

Republicans are so embarrassing.

[neo506]

Some more info


The roll call vote hasn't been posted, but House staff provides the names of those Dems who voted with the Rs to defund: Dan Boren (OK), Jerry Costello (IL), Joe Donnelly (IN), Dan Lipinski (IL), Mike McIntyre (NC), Collin Peterson (MN), Nick Rahall (WV), Silvestre Reyes (TX), Mike Ross (AR), Heath Shuler (NC).

These Republicans voted no: Charlie Bass (NH), Judy Biggert (IL), Mary Bono Mack (CA), Charlie Dent (PA), Robert Dold (IL), Rodney Frelinghuysen (NJ), Richard Hanna (NY). Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI) voted present.

All of the funding blocked, ironically, is Title X funding--contraceptive and family planning assistance to low and moderate income individuals. You know, the education and means by which to prevent unwanted pregnancies, and thus, reducing abortion. Apparently so as not to single out Planned Parenthood, to resolution actually eliminates the entire Title X program.

It will also eliminate the entire Title X program, which was founded in 1970 and is the only federal grant program dedicated solely to providing individuals with comprehensive family planning and preventive health services, particularly to low-income families, according to the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services’ Office of Population Affairs. Preventative health services include breast and cervical cancer screenings, HIV prevention education, pregnancy diagnosis and counseling.

In fiscal year 2010, Congress appropriated approximately $317 million for family planning activities supported under Title X, 90 percent of which was used for clinical family planning services, according to the OPA. In 2008, 4,500 community-based clinics (including health departments, university health centers, faith-based organizations, public and private nonprofit agencies, and tribal organizations) received grants from Title X that went to approximately 5 million people, the OPA said. In roughly 75 percent of U.S. counties, at least one clinic receives Title X funds....

There are 85 local Planned Parenthood affiliates nationwide, which operate more than 820 health centers, according to its website, which also indicates that more than 1.2 million youths and adults participate in Planned Parenthood educational programs every year.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/18/946760/-House-votes-to-defund-Planned-Parenthood,-Title-X

[roche]

Does anyone have the sources for the other 10 proposed plans. It's not that I don't believe them, I'm just curious.

[crackedthesky]

Does anyone have the sources for the other 10 proposed plans. It's not that I don't believe them, I'm just curious.

They're all given in the link in his first post:
http://pol.moveon.org/waronwomen/?id=26177-18510684-bRoGTYx&t=3

Just scroll down.

[roche]

They're all given in the link in his first post:
http://pol.moveon.org/waronwomen/?id=26177-18510684-bRoGTYx&t=3

Just scroll down.

Ha of course I missed that, thanks man.

[crackedthesky]

Ha of course I missed that, thanks man.

No problem. I actually heard of most of these in the news the last few weeks, I'm surprised you hadn't heard about them before now. It's pretty appalling stuff.

[fightinirish217]

As a registered Republican, this is an embarrassment. The party grows more ridiculous by the day, sadly.

[Hail Lelouch]

Classic Republican nonsense

[deFobbed14yrs]

Like I said in the Wisconsin thread, we're going backwards with our legislation.

[deFobbed14yrs]

signed and facebook'd

[deFobbed14yrs]

The democrats are still in control of the senate right? So they won't let these pass.

[troubledbyinsects]

what the meat? lol number 6 sounds like it was thought up in the 1950's.

[deFobbed14yrs]

) Maryland Republicans ended all county money for a low-income kids' preschool program. Why? No need, they said. Women should really be home with the kids, not out working.

I honestly can't get over this statement. Like hearing them actually say that in the video from one of the articles. It's like how out of touch can you possible be with your district.

[SincerelyMe]

Holy shit. This is insane.

[crackedthesky]

Might as well have called it the "Put Your Bitch Back in the Kitchen Where She Belongs" Act.

[Debut_Fin]

I can't even get over how much I hate republicans.

[zion the lion]

There is a huge lack of respect for women and this just shows it.

I'll sign and I'll show my mom so that she can sign.

[caveBEAR]

#2 and #5 offend me way more than #6.

[crackedthesky]

Oh, definitely. I just found it interesting that they aren't even trying to hide their sexism with number 6, they literally just came out and said it.

[deFobbed14yrs]

Might as well have called it the "Put Your Bitch Back in the Kitchen Where She Belongs" Act.

"Woman, go make me a sandwich act of 2011"?

[deFobbed14yrs]

Seriously what is with all the cutting of funds to POOR people. Get rid of the bush tax cuts and tax the rich so you don't have to screw over the poor more than usual.

And really rape victim to rape accuser............God this makes me so mad that people think like this.

[J.C.]

There is a huge lack of respect for women.

I blame you.

[caveBEAR]

I blame you.

:lol:

[deFobbed14yrs]

I blame you.

Aw, leave zion alone. She wasn't being stupid in a thread for once.

[zion the lion]

I blame you.

Oh how charming.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Why the fuck are they wasting time on funding planned parenthood!?!?!? THE REPUBLICANS PROMISED US JOBS!!!!!!! WHERE ARE THE JOB??????????????

[Matt Chylak]

Might as well have called it the "Put Your Bitch Back in the Kitchen Where She Belongs" Act.

i laughed out loud

[caveBEAR]

Why the fuck are they wasting time on funding planned parenthood!?!?!? THE REPUBLICANS PROMISED US JOBS!!!!!!! WHERE ARE THE JOB??????????????

Beyond the fact that defunding Planned Parenthood would lead to a loss of jobs.

[saysmydoctor]

I blame you.
zing

[loveisdead]

I blame you.

Amazing.

[PTVsnewO]

these propositions are absurd

[Tinnerz]

Why the fuck are they wasting time on funding planned parenthood!?!?!? THE REPUBLICANS PROMISED US JOBS!!!!!!! WHERE ARE THE JOB??????????????

THIS. Seriously GOP, stop trying to control my womb and work on creating some jobs first. Damn.

[caveBEAR]

THIS. Seriously GOP, stop trying to control my womb and work on creating some jobs first. Damn.

But if they let you mercilessly slaughter the poor innocent in your womb, it will anger skycake!!

[Tinnerz]

But if they let you mercilessly slaughter the poor innocent in your womb, it will anger skycake!!

Pshh! I believe in Sky Baklava.

[jwicklun]

Pshh! I believe in Sky Baklava.

ITS CAKE MOTHERFUCKER! YOU'ER DEAD!x

[Love As Arson]

Keep this in mind when Americans castigate Middle Eastern countries for their treatment of women.

[bite2brkskn12]

I can't even get over how much I hate republicans.

yeah, because all republicans share those views

[AP_Punk]

words can't express how much fuck this

[joeag1985]

Seriously, how stupid are these people?

[armoireofdoom]

Signed it. I can't even stomach reading that crap again.

[DeviateRogue]

This would make a 7 year old facepalm.

[JordanBuell]

Some more info


The roll call vote hasn't been posted, but House staff provides the names of those Dems who voted with the Rs to defund: Dan Boren (OK), Jerry Costello (IL), Joe Donnelly (IN), Dan Lipinski (IL), Mike McIntyre (NC), Collin Peterson (MN), Nick Rahall (WV), Silvestre Reyes (TX), Mike Ross (AR), Heath Shuler (NC).

These Republicans voted no: Charlie Bass (NH), Judy Biggert (IL), Mary Bono Mack (CA), Charlie Dent (PA), Robert Dold (IL), Rodney Frelinghuysen (NJ), Richard Hanna (NY). Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI) voted present.



Looking at the states that these dems and reps are from and it doesnt seem that surprising at all. Can the south just secede all ready?

[<*)))><]

They really hate abortions.

[FueledByFrodo]

They really hate abortions.
They really hate women.

[caveBEAR]

They really hate women.

This is some serious hyperbole. A lot of people who are this opposed to Planned Parenthood/abortion are genuinely afraid we're either pissing off god or massively sinning. As well, there's also a large group of people who misguidedly care more about the 'innocent' life of the baby than the mother, no malice involved or intended on their part.

[Jimmy_Love]

If Republicans hate taxes so much, why aren't they working for free?

[FueledByFrodo]

This is some serious hyperbole. A lot of people who are this opposed to Planned Parenthood/abortion are genuinely afraid we're either pissing off god or massively sinning. As well, there's also a large group of people who misguidedly care more about the 'innocent' life of the baby than the mother, no malice involved or intended on their part.
It was meant to be a hyperbole.

[caveBEAR]

It was meant to be a hyperbole.

Perhaps, but there's far too many people saying things like that and meaning it seriously.

[S7ranburgLar]

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100730161650/simpsons/images/thumb/c/cf/Republican_party_headquarters.png/250px-Republican_party_headquarters.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YTJBDUN8iSE/SuE9PyjviMI/AAAAAAAACM8/0rwWBwGOio0/s400/simpsons_republicans.jpg

[captivewear]

Typical Republican House member. Take away the social program money and put it towards tax breaks for the upper elite.
Lets take away money from 99% of the country and give it to the other 1% that doesn't need it!
I say it is time to go Robin Hood on these rich people's asses!

[crackedthesky]

I just think it's cute that they whined for six years about wanting to focus on the economy, and as soon as they take the house, they waste no time not focusing on jobs but trying to legislate verious Democrat and poor- focused groups and organizations out of existence. Have they even proposed one bill that would actually create jobs in some way? Because I'm pretty sure getting rid of PBS, Planned Parenthood, NPR etc. is actually going to cost more jobs than it creates.

[Ricketts]

Signed. Someone please save me from Texas...

[CellarGhosts]

Signed. Fuck this so much.

[bladerdude360]

What. The. Fuck.

[The Indigo]

Looking at the states that these dems and reps are from and it doesnt seem that surprising at all. Can the south just secede all ready?
Now that's not fair. It's almost a 50-50 split between the North and South for the folks who voted for it.

[whenyourearound]

This ish is nuckin futs.

[kbomb001]

God Bless The United States of America, everyone.

[Zeran]

off topic slightly, but how does something like this - which they want to do a lot of - create jobs?

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

off topic slightly, but how does something like this - which they want to do a lot of - create jobs?

Duh! By preventing abortions, we are only producing potential venture capitalists. A woman today could give birth to the next Rupert Murdoch.

[AP_Punk]

every sperm is sacred

[WTG]

Came in here to say that I'm glad they are pulling the funding. No matter what they claim the money goes to, it goes to abortions, so fuck PP. Quote me all ya want, I'm not coming back in here to get in a debate. Just saying my piece.

[zion the lion]

I dont see the problem with money going to abortions in the first place. So the fuck what, if someone wants to have an abortion, let them have the fucking abortion.

[J.C.]

Came in here to say that I'm glad they are pulling the funding. No matter what they claim the money goes to, it goes to abortions, so fuck PP. Quote me all ya want, I'm not coming back in here to get in a debate. Just saying my piece.

It's 'peace' and don't let the door hit you in the ass.

[crackedthesky]

Came in here to say that I'm glad they are pulling the funding. No matter what they claim the money goes to, it goes to abortions, so fuck PP. Quote me all ya want, I'm not coming back in here to get in a debate. Just saying my piece.

^This is why we shouldn't defund Planned Parenthood

[CellarGhosts]

Hahaha

[WTG]

^This is why we shouldn't defund Planned Parenthood

I believe differently for you, so you imply that you wish I was aborted/dead? :hitself:

[J.C.]

I'm glad we've never funded any wars that a liberal might find morally reprehensible.

[crackedthesky]

I believe differently for you, so you imply that you wish I was aborted/dead? :hitself:

Just wanted to see if I could make you come back <3

[WTG]

Just wanted to see if I could make you come back <3

In that case, :buddies:

[crackedthesky]

In that case, :buddies:
Eh, sorry, I have no respect for people who who make such scathing outright lies and have no interest in learning the truth. I don't wish you were dead or anything, but in my opinion, the most disrespectful and cowardly thing one can do is walk through life with their eyes closed and their fingers in their ears :shrug:

[eriatarka24]

This ish is nuckin futs.

You know this shit is fucking ridiculous.

[SincerelyMe]

Came in here to say that I'm glad they are pulling the funding. No matter what they claim the money goes to, it goes to abortions, so fuck PP. Quote me all ya want, I'm not coming back in here to get in a debate. Just saying my piece.

http://i55.tinypic.com/29maowo.png

Abortion services: 3%. Be quiet.

[caveBEAR]

http://i55.tinypic.com/29maowo.png

Abortion services: 3%. Be quiet.

:appl:

[mattgoods]

It's 'peace' and don't let the door hit you in the ass.
He was right. It's "piece."

[sdbrown]

This is some serious hyperbole. A lot of people who are this opposed to Planned Parenthood/abortion are genuinely afraid we're either pissing off god or massively sinning. As well, there's also a large group of people who misguidedly care more about the 'innocent' life of the baby than the mother, no malice involved or intended on their part.
They might not hate women but they are seriously misogynistic. And maybe no malice is intended (although that sounds weird because malice is basically the be hurtful with intent) but it doesn't make it okay. When you strip away something that helps many low income women, children and families, it's really just irresponsible and almost discriminatory.

Came in here to say that I'm glad they are pulling the funding. No matter what they claim the money goes to, it goes to abortions, so fuck PP. Quote me all ya want, I'm not coming back in here to get in a debate. Just saying my piece.
We don't have to debate, but this is pretty shitty. Take away a source many people use for health screenings and what not just because the organization associated also does abortions. Great stance there. You are a meritorious person.

[WTG]

Eh, sorry, I have no respect for people who who make such scathing outright lies and have no interest in learning the truth. I don't wish you were dead or anything, but in my opinion, the most disrespectful and cowardly thing one can do is walk through life with their eyes closed and their fingers in their ears :shrug:

I understand that PP does good things, but, as someone who is 100% anti-abortion, I don't want any of my tax money going to it. That's not walking through life eyes closed, I have researched the issue, and I believe that abortion is not right. There are many places people can get the same services. Countless women's clinics, hospitals, etc.

[lovely864md]

This is ridiculous. It's 2011, time to move forward, not set women's rights back 50 years.

[crackedthesky]

I understand that PP does good things, but, as someone who is 100% anti-abortion, I don't want any of my tax money going to it. That's not walking through life eyes closed, I have researched the issue, and I believe that abortion is not right. There are many places people can get the same services. Countless women's clinics, hospitals, etc.

You claimed 100% of their money goes to abortion... and anyway, your tax dollars aren't paying for aboritons. Tax money isn't legally allowed to be used on abortions. Planned Parenthood doesn't personally provide any abortions that I know of; if one of their patients decides to have an abortion, they'll refer them to someone else who can do it. They don't do it themselves, and they don't use taxpayer money on it. But in any case, they have separate funds (private and public), and they won't do anything remotely abortion-related with the public funds.

[saturday_snow_squall]

signed it. this shit is absolutely ridiculous..

[mattgoods]

Saying planned parenthood is for "women's rights" is like saying teacher unions are "looking out for the kids" I guess it makes people feel good if that's what they want to believe. Fact is, planned parenthood was founded by margaret sanger primarily for the purpose of eugenics, ie, aborting as many poor, immigrant, minority babies as possible. She readily admits this in her own words. Look it up.

[jwicklun]

Saying planned parenthood is for "women's rights" is like saying teacher unions are "looking out for the kids" I guess it makes people feel good if that's what they want to believe. Fact is, planned parenthood was founded by margaret sanger primarily for the purpose of eugenics, ie, aborting as many poor, immigrant, minority babies as possible. She readily admits this in her own words. Look it up.

Holy fuck, did you pay any attention to the pie chart above?

[J.C.]

Fact is, planned parenthood was founded by margaret sanger primarily for the purpose of aborting as many poor, immigrant, minority babies as possible.

I'm sure if that was truly the case, they'd have much more Republican support.

[mattgoods]

Holy fuck, did you pay any attention to the pie chart above?
haha, yeah I did, like I paid attention to the top ten list of "crazy republican ideas" compiled by...moveon.org!! too funny man. Third graders can see through this b.s.

[lovely864md]

http://www.care2.com/causes/womens-rights/blog/georgia-rep-investigate-miscarriage/
"Georgia Representative Wants To Investigate All Miscarriages"
Franklin wants to create a Uterus Police to investigate miscarriages, and requires that any time a miscarriage occurs, whether in a hospital or without medical assistance, it must be reported and a fetal death certificate issued. If the cause of death is unknown, it must be investigated. If the woman can't tell how it happened, than those Uterus Police can ask family members and friends how it happened. Hospitals are required to keep records of anyone who has a spontaneous abortion and report it.

Going back to sleep now, hopefully when I wake up the world is less insane.

[mattgoods]

I'm sure if that was truly the case, they'd have much more Republican support.
yeah this makes sense. The overwhelming number of aborted babies are african american.

[HoodieMonster]

My God, what is with this war on women these past few weeks? I'm starting to think we'll be living in the Handmaid's Tale in ten years. And that list...I just...

(And that video provided in the link for #5 is ridiculous)

[SincerelyMe]

Uterus Police? How can anybody take that seriously? Christ.

[J.C.]

yeah this makes sense. The overwhelming number of aborted babies are african american.

Actually white women get 60% of all abortions. A simple understanding of the country's overall population would help you understand how that's the case. Abortion's a socio-economic issue, not a racial one. It just seemed easy, since you were attempting to paint pro-choicers as being complicit in eugenics, to claim that conservatives hate women, minorities, and immigrants. I suspect that doesn't sit any more well with you than your argument does with the people it's aimed at.

[Love As Arson]

yeah this makes sense. The overwhelming number of aborted babies are african american.

That has more to do with socioeconomic disparities than a secret plan to abort black children. One of the most important reasons that women obtain abortions is because they cannot afford to have a child. Going back farther, African-American women, and the community as a whole, disproportionately have less access to contraceptives and the appropriate health care facilities. But all of this is irrelevant, because the number of abortions a woman decides to get has nothing to do with her right to do so, just as those numbers have nothing to do with a particular organization's goals.

[mattgoods]

Actually white women get 60% of all abortions. A simple understanding of the country's overall population would help you understand how that's the case. Abortion's a socio-economic issue, not a racial one. It just seemed easy, since you were attempting to paint pro-choicers as being complicit in eugenics, to claim that conservatives hate women, minorities, and immigrants. I suspect that doesn't sit any more well with you than your argument does with the people it's aimed at.
I stand corrected. whites do get 60% of abortions. Per capita, african americans are 4 times as likely however to get an abortion.

[saysmydoctor]

I understand that PP does good things, but, as someone who is 100% anti-abortion, I don't want any of my tax money going to it. That's not walking through life eyes closed, I have researched the issue, and I believe that abortion is not right. There are many places people can get the same services. Countless women's clinics, hospitals, etc.
I'm sorry--are you a female?

No.

Then shut the fuck up.

[WTG]

I'm sorry--are you a female?

No.

Then shut the fuck up.

Since when does being male or female determine how you view murder?

[mattgoods]

I'm sorry--are you a female?

No.

Then shut the fuck up.
and the winner for weakest argument ever

[zion the lion]

I understand that PP does good things, but, as someone who is 100% anti-abortion, I don't want any of my tax money going to it. That's not walking through life eyes closed, I have researched the issue, and I believe that abortion is not right. There are many places people can get the same services. Countless women's clinics, hospitals, etc.


Why do you think it's so wrong?

I'm going to tell you a little story. My mom's friend/my former roommate was raped by the father of her child (that was actually how she conceived the baby), he sued her for custody and won it. If I was in that situation, I'd go into a rage if anyone ever told me that the decision to abort was a bad thing.

[WTG]

Why do you think it's so wrong?

I'm going to tell you a little story. My mom's friend/my former roommate was raped by the father of her child (that was actually how she conceived the baby), he sued her for custody and won it. If I was in that situation, I'd go into a rage if anyone ever told me that the decision to abort was a bad thing.

Those are the cases where everything becomes more murky. I'm still against it, but I'd understand in a case like that. In a "oh, we didn't use protection, so instead of having the kid and either keeping it or giving it up for adoption, I'm gonna get rid of it" case, it's just disgusting and selfish. As I said, I view abortion as murder. Just because the child is still in the womb doesn't mean it's not a child. It has a heart beat, which means it is alive to me.

[SincerelyMe]

Since when does being male or female determine how you view murder?

This is a joke, right?

[zion the lion]

Those are the cases where everything becomes more murky. I'm still against it, but I'd understand in a case like that. In a "oh, we didn't use protection, so instead of having the kid and either keeping it or giving it up for adoption, I'm gonna get rid of it" case, it's just disgusting and selfish. As I said, I view abortion as murder. Just because the child is still in the womb doesn't mean it's not a child. It has a heart beat, which means it is alive to me.

insects and animals are alive too. I dont know what makes a fetus any different.

[crackedthesky]

Those are the cases where everything becomes more murky. I'm still against it, but I'd understand in a case like that. In a "oh, we didn't use protection, so instead of having the kid and either keeping it or giving it up for adoption, I'm gonna get rid of it" case, it's just disgusting and selfish. As I said, I view abortion as murder. Just because the child is still in the womb doesn't mean it's not a child. It has a heart beat, which means it is alive to me.

A fetus doesn't have a heartbeat for several weeks of development. Also, one third of all pregnancies are naturally aborted by the woman's body in the first few weeks. Guess that makes mother nature a mass murderer.

[saysmydoctor]

Since when does being male or female determine how you view murder?
That's such a flawed definition of murder.
and the winner for weakest argument ever
The stfu was harsh, but I really find the concept of a man, someone who will never go through the pregnancy itself, trying to place boundaries on how a woman should handle it is just ridiculously sexist and obnoxious.

And I think the murder argument is even more extreme and weak. I mean, I can understand the scientific grey area of those weeks closer to term, but I mean maybe if we loosened up the adoption process, there wouldn't be so many considering abortion (even those late-term abortions make up the smallest percentage of abortion).

[CellarGhosts]

That's such a flawed definition of murder.

The stfu was harsh, but I really find the concept of a man, someone who will never go through the pregnancy itself, trying to place boundaries on how a woman should handle it is just ridiculously sexist and obnoxious.

And I think the murder argument is even more extreme and weak. I mean, I can understand the scientific grey area of those weeks closer to term, but I mean maybe if we loosened up the adoption process, there wouldn't be so many considering abortion (even those late-term abortions make up the smallest percentage of abortion).
Sums up my feelings exactly.

[Machu505]

I'm glad we've never funded any wars that a liberal might find morally reprehensible.
No one ever addressed this.

[saturday_snow_squall]

i just don't understand how people in their right midns would support this.

[sdbrown]

It doesn't matter if you are pro or against abortion because your tax dollars are not legally allowed to be used for abortion services. end of discussion. Your stance against this bill will not prevent abortions and will only result in more STIs and perhaps even more abortions, because there are many, many people who depend on PP for pro rata birth control, free condoms and STI tests. PP also provides sexual health education to thousands, perhaps more but I don't feel like looking up figures because if it helps even ten people not get an STI or an unwanted kid it's worth it.

[saysmydoctor]

It doesn't matter if you are pro or against abortion because your tax dollars are not legally allowed to be used for abortion services. end of discussion. Your stance against this bill will not prevent abortions and will only result in more STIs and perhaps even more abortions, because there are many, many people who depend on PP for pro rata birth control, free condoms and STI tests. PP also provides sexual health education to thousands, perhaps more but I don't feel like looking up figures because if it helps even ten people not get an STI or an unwanted kid it's worth it.
NO, IT'S MURDER, DON'T YOU SEE? STIs = murder because Planned Parenthood = abortion. This is how the transitive property works.

[CellarGhosts]

It doesn't matter if you are pro or against abortion because your tax dollars are not legally allowed to be used for abortion services. end of discussion. Your stance against this bill will not prevent abortions and will only result in more STIs and perhaps even more abortions, because there are many, many people who depend on PP for pro rata birth control, free condoms and STI tests. PP also provides sexual health education to thousands, perhaps more but I don't feel like looking up figures because if it helps even ten people not get an STI or an unwanted kid it's worth it.
and thank you.

[caveBEAR]

Since when does being male or female determine how you view murder?

Woah, loaded language.

[J.C.]

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[mattgoods]

No one ever addressed this.
We established that human life is no different than that of an animal or insect, so unless you have an aversion to killing insects, I don't see how war can be morally reprehensible. Also, I think saysmydoctor would say, unless you're a soldier, you have no business commenting on war.

[crackedthesky]

We established that human life is no different than that of an animal or insect, so unless you have an aversion to killing insects, I don't see how war can be morally reprehensible. Also, I think saysmydoctor would say, unless you're a soldier, you have no business commenting on war.

...seriously?

[jawstheme]

We established that human life is no different than that of an animal or insect, so unless you have an aversion to killing insects, I don't see how war can be morally reprehensible. Also, I think saysmydoctor would say, unless you're a soldier, you have no business commenting on war.

:-|

[CellarGhosts]

Uhhh...what.

[J.C.]

We established that human life is no different than that of an animal or insect, so unless you have an aversion to killing insects, I don't see how war can be morally reprehensible.

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[Connair]

We established that human life is no different than that of an animal or insect, so unless you have an aversion to killing insects, I don't see how war can be morally reprehensible. Also, I think saysmydoctor would say, unless you're a soldier, you have no business commenting on war.
I hope im not one that established that.

[jwicklun]

So if I am not a soldier, I have no right to criticize war? Brilliant logic.

[saysmydoctor]

We established that human life is no different than that of an animal or insect, so unless you have an aversion to killing insects, I don't see how war can be morally reprehensible. Also, I think saysmydoctor would say, unless you're a soldier, you have no business commenting on war.
Swing and a miss.

[mattgoods]

...seriously?
It's called tongue in cheek.

[ilikesound93]

:wallbash:

[mattyrocks]

Swing and a miss.

im stealing this.

[Love As Arson]

We established that human life is no different than that of an animal or insect, so unless you have an aversion to killing insects, I don't see how war can be morally reprehensible. Also, I think saysmydoctor would say, unless you're a soldier, you have no business commenting on war.
Actually, I think a more appropriate analogy would be letting the people in the country we're targeting decide whether or not we go to war against them.

[mattgoods]

Actually, I think a more appropriate analogy would be letting the people in the country we're targeting decide whether or not we go to war against them.
so are you really a marxist?

[J.C.]

Scary, right?

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

They walk among us

[caveBEAR]

:shudder:

[Scrandon]

If Republicans hate taxes so much, why aren't they working for free?
Got 'em!

[jwicklun]

so are you really a marxist?

God help us all.

[mattgoods]

God help us all.
Just asking dude a question...I'm not allowed to do that? His signature says "resident marxist." I found that interesting. What's the big deal?

[Love As Arson]

so are you really a marxist?
Yes, yes I am.

[DeviateRogue]

This shit is ridiculous, but if the law is that money is not to go towards abortions then it is so. I believe both Liberals and Conservatives can agree on funding victims of rape abortions.

As for careless women, they should provide procedure money.