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Love As Arson
03/05/07, 02:27 PM
WSWS : News & Analysis : North America
US severe poverty highest in three decades
By Naomi Spencer
5 March 2007

Extreme poverty in the US has reached its highest point in at least three decades, according to an analysis of Census Bureau figures by McClatchy Newspapers published February 22. The increase reflects the stark reality of declining living standards for the majority of the population in the so-called capitalist recovery of the past five years as well as during the period that preceded it.

In 2005, individuals earning less than $5,080 a year were considered severely poor; a family of four with two children was severely poor if they lived on less than $9,903. The data review found that nearly 16 million Americans in 2005 were living in severe poverty, or below half the federally designated poverty threshold.

This figure represents nearly half of the total poverty population, the highest proportion of the poverty population in dire straits since at least 1975. Between 2000 and 2005 alone, this group grew by 26 percent, even as the economy recovered from recession.

According to Tony Pugh, the author of the report, this growth in severe poverty was 56 percent more than the growth of the poverty population overall, which also grew substantially over the period.

In 2005, 12.6 percent of the population, or 37 million people, including 13 million children, lived below the official poverty line. The McClatchy report notes that about one in three severely poor people are under the age of 17, and that nearly two thirds of the poor population are female. Families headed by women bear a great deal of the deepest poverty in the US.

Minority families are disproportionately impoverished. Census data suggests that low-income blacks are more than three times as likely as non-Hispanic whites to be severely poor. Poor Hispanics are more than twice as likely to suffer severe poverty. In 2005, 4.3 million of the severely poor were black, and 3.7 million were Hispanic.

Many of the severely poor among minorities are older, having worked for decades in the now-collapsed manufacturing sector and developed job-related injuries and other health problems. The McClatchy report quoted congressional testimony from Community Service Society of New York City president David Jones, who remarked, “You have this whole cohort of, particularly, African-Americans of limited skills, men, who can’t participate in the workforce because they don’t have skills to do anything but heavy labor.”

University of Wisconsin social welfare professor Mark Rank told the news agency that one in three Americans experience a full year of extreme poverty at some point in life. Based on longitudinal research, Rank estimated that 58 percent of Americans between ages 20 and 75 will spend at least a year in poverty. Two in three will use a public assistance program between the ages of 20 and 65, and 40 percent of Americans will rely on public assistance for at least five years. The poverty estimates do not include the undocumented immigrant population, which would certainly increase the rates.

According to the McClatchy review of Census data, 65 of 215 large US counties saw statistically significant increases in severe poverty. The report also suggested that, rather than being concentrated in particular regions of the country, such as the Gulf Coast or collapsing manufacturing centers in the Midwest, “the rise in severely poor residents isn’t confined to large urban counties but extends to suburban and rural areas.”

The US-Mexico border and the South registered the most extreme poverty. Here, 6.5 million are severely poor. Many worked in generally low-wage jobs in apparel, textile and furniture factories that are now closing down or relocating. Similarly, severe poverty has grown in the so-called rustbelt of the Midwest and Northeast in the wake of mass layoffs and plant closures.

Washington, D.C., recorded a higher concentration of severe poverty than any of the 50 states, at 10.8 percent of the total 2005 population. This exceeded even Mississippi and Louisiana, whose populations were devastated by Hurricane Katrina. In the nation’s capital, nearly 6 in 10 poor residents were severely impoverished. At the center of the richest country in the world, where trillions of dollars are appropriated for war, tax cuts and corporate handouts, the symbolism is unmistakable.

While damning in itself, data collected by the Census Bureau barely begins to express the reality of poverty in the US, let alone explain the real sources of its increase. Moreover, the official poverty line is in itself wholly inadequate as a measure of economic well-being and stability, and does more to understate the decline in living standards than elucidate it.

When it was developed nearly half a century ago, the poverty line was a calculation of the bare minimum required by a family to eat a healthy diet based on the estimate that the average family spent a third of their income on food. While it has been adjusted annually for inflation, the poverty measure does not account for substantial changes in the living expenses of working Americans, such as the cost of child care and transportation, for the huge increase in housing costs, or for the burden of healthcare expenditures among the largely uninsured poverty population.

Only the very richest individuals have benefited from the economic expansion since 2001; the vast majority of Americans have unarguably seen a decline in living standards, job and retirement prospects, and savings. As the Economic Policy Institute puts it in its current The State of Working America, “Despite the fact that the most recent economic expansion began in late 2001, the real income of the median family fell each year through 2004. Between 2000 and 2005, real median family income fell by 2.3 percent, or about $1,300 in 2004 dollars.” [1]

While wages stagnated, cost of living rose significantly, driving the low- and middle-income populations into more and more difficult circumstances. Meanwhile, funding and access to social programs for the poor have been greatly reduced. Debt, foreclosure, and bankruptcy rates have all increased substantially. Those already in or near poverty have been the most vulnerable to this backsliding because of the “jobless” nature of the recovery.

A November 2006 New York Times analysis of 2004 federal tax information found that the bottom fifth of American taxpayers earned below $11,166, with their average income amounting to less than $5,800. Accounting for the fact that the IRS definition of “taxpayer” applies to single individuals as well as jointly filing couples, the Times estimated that the poorest 26 million taxpayers represented nearly 48 million adults and about 12 million dependent children. By this measure, the Times estimated that the poorest 60 million Americans lived on less than $7 a day. (See “60 million Americans living on less than $7 a day—US income figures show staggering rise in social inequality”)

By comparison, the 2004 poverty line was $27 a day for a single adult below retirement age and $42 a day for a household with one child. The divergence of the average income of the poverty population and the poverty line, as artificially low as it is, is an important indicator of the real state of the economy. This measure is called the ‘poverty gap.’

In 2005, the average poverty gap was a record $8,000. The significance of this gap is that, on average, poor families are truly poorer now than in earlier periods. [2]

Many analysts assert that the hardships of poverty are overstated because poverty measures do not include the worth of social services such as food stamps and medical assistance, or the welfare program’s successor, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). However, the latest available data from the Census Bureau’s Survey of Income and Program Participation reveals that in 2003, a mere 10 percent of severely poor Americans received TANF aid, and only slightly more than a third of the severely poor were enrolled in the Food Stamp program.

As the McClatchy report notes, “the low participation rates are troubling because the worst byproducts of poverty, such as higher crime and violence rates and poor health, nutrition and educational outcomes, are worse for those in deep poverty.”

Indeed, a study on the prevalence of severe poverty in the October 2006 issue of the American Journal of Preventive Medicine concluded, “A rise in poverty rates is important because of the enormous difficulties faced by the poor in meeting the most basic human needs (e.g., education, jobs, higher earnings).” [3]

The study enumerated the consequences of falling into poverty: “The public health implications of increasing poverty are profound, given how strongly social class is linked with premature mortality, disease, and mental illness. The poor have greater exposure to risk factors, such as those caused by homelessness, substandard housing, and environmental pollutants. They experience greater rates of smoking, physical inactivity, and obesity, in part because impoverished neighborhoods are not conducive to healthy lifestyles (e.g., having built environments for walking and supermarkets that offer healthy food choices); these communities are also targets for the promotion of cigarettes, alcoholic beverages, and fast foods.” For the third of the poverty population without health insurance and the majority with no savings, all of these factors compound one another.

Importantly, the study found that “the recent increase in poverty rates is explained largely by a dramatic upsurge in severe poverty” after the year 2000. “The population with an income deficit of at least $8,000 below the poverty threshold,” which includes a larger and larger share of the overall poverty population, “appears to be vulnerable to a different experience than those with incomes closer to the poverty threshold.”

The study suggested that the growth of extreme poverty was producing a “sinkhole” effect on US income distribution as a whole, exposing millions more Americans to dire circumstances.

These observations of poverty trends are quite valuable, and disturbingly uncommon. The study’s authors pointed out that their queries on “severe poverty” and “deep poverty” in the Social Sciences Citation Index and PubMed search engines from 2001 to the present returned not one article. Between 2002 and 2005, the authors noted, the Washington Post and New York Times ran only eight articles about Census data, wherein a median of only two sentences were devoted to the steady and substantial increase in poverty.

Press statements from the Census Bureau were no better; only a single briefing on severe poverty has been released since 2000, during a 2003 review of 2002 data. The mention consisted of a single sentence: “The 14.1 million people with incomes less than half their thresholds represent 4.9 percent of the population (and 41 percent of the poverty population), percentages not different from 2001.” [4]

Virtually nowhere is the relationship between the rise in extreme poverty and the extreme concentration of wealth raised. The growth of severe impoverishment is an unmistakable manifestation of inequality, itself the product of definite policies aimed at diverting social resources into the hands of a financial elite. At a time when the top 1 percent of US households received 17 percent of all national income, held more than a third of all net worth, and more than 42 percent of all net assets, nearly a fifth of households held zero or negative net worth. Another third of the population held less than $10,000. [5]

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/mar2007/pov-m05.shtml

70x7
03/05/07, 04:34 PM
Thats the republicans for you.

America really needs a real left wing government to put some better welfare measures in place.

Welfare is the answer to all of our problems.

Love As Arson
03/05/07, 04:44 PM
The free market certainly is not the answer, as can be seen by the rise of inequality under this administration.

cortezthekilla
03/06/07, 10:36 AM
I think that we need to do a better job at taking care of our own country, as far as people and cities living in poverty. I live across from Portland, Oregon, and about 3 hours away from me in Central Washington there is the 2nd or 3rd poorest county in the whole country.

3 HOURS AWAY...

70x7
03/07/07, 05:15 AM
Scandanvia as a whole has a smaller population than some states. Sweden for example has about 9.1 million people. The US has about 300 million people. It's two totally different things when probably more than 9 million people here would be on welfare. The US is full of lazy, greedy people who would take advantage of a larger welfare system.

Sleepaway
03/07/07, 07:56 AM
America has a rididculous amonut of rich corporations and people. Tax them heavily and pump the surplus into the lives of those worse off, giving them the capacity to achieve the maximum they can which currently the state is not giving them.


Why should they be punished for having more money?

thejetstolehome
03/07/07, 08:02 AM
Why should they be punished for having more money?

why is giving to the poor considered punishment?

TheByrus
03/07/07, 08:22 AM
happiness is not guaranteed in the DoI.


just the pursuit of it.

cantnokdahustle
03/07/07, 08:56 AM
Why should they be punished for having more money?

It is not punishment. The companies only make the money they do, because they are here, using all that this country has to offer. The tax just allows the less fortunate the opportunity to use the same market freedom, if they so wish.

This is, in no way, meant to endorse the United States' business practices.

Love As Arson
03/07/07, 12:26 PM
Scandanvia as a whole has a smaller population than some states. Sweden for example has about 9.1 million people. The US has about 300 million people. It's two totally different things when probably more than 9 million people here would be on welfare.
The US also has an inordinate amount of wealth which would be able to provide for its population.
The US is full of lazy, greedy people who would take advantage of a larger welfare system.
Those lazy, greedy people tend to be CEO's. On the other hand, the American worker has increased productivity, yet has seen his wages drop steadily. If, as you imply, hard work is directly related to the reward, then why are workers not seeing in increased share in the wealth being produced?

Why should they be punished for having more money?
The proper question should be: Why are those with wealth allowed to exploit those without it? The system under which the US population lives is constructed in order to benefit those with wealth. Large taxes simply force them to pay for their position as the favored class.

Love As Arson
03/07/07, 12:50 PM
happiness is not guaranteed in the DoI.


just the pursuit of it.
Are you familiar with the social contract?

TheByrus
03/07/07, 01:04 PM
Are you familiar with the social contract?


are you referring to the belief that a person can do whatever it takes to protect his property?

cantnokdahustle
03/07/07, 01:16 PM
Rousseau and Locke yeah?

...Socrates under Plato's pen- the Crito

mercutio7
03/07/07, 01:28 PM
"In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2001, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 33.4% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 51%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 84%, leaving only 16% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth, the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 39.7%"

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

I believe that speaks for itself. The american dream isn't just dead- its body has been embalmed and put on a fake display buy the "Top 1 %" . Do you think that these people have no additional funds to place into welfare or aid programs?

Ambulance X
03/07/07, 01:37 PM
Societies contructs have allowed them to gain more money therefore they owe those constructs a fair portion of their wealth.

No. That's what the education system is for. We have free public education and there are thousands of scholarship opportunities for higher education. Go to school and get a real job instead of leeching off of the welfare system. The rest of the population that doesn't value education needs to be cleaning my toilets. Welfare should be abolished except in the case of the disabled.

mercutio7
03/07/07, 01:39 PM
No. That's what the education system is for. We have free public education and there are thousands of scholarship opportunities for higher education. Go to school and get a real job instead of leeching off of the welfare system. The rest of the population that doesn't value education needs to be cleaning my toilets. Welfare should be abolished except in the case of the disabled.
Wow. Well, I think the largest flaw in your argument is that public schooling is not even CLOSE to equal. Not everyone has the same opportunities.

cantnokdahustle
03/07/07, 01:39 PM
that is far too oversimplified. The problem is that our education system is horrendously disproportionate.

Ambulance X
03/07/07, 01:40 PM
Wow. Well, I think the largest flaw in your argument is that public schooling is not even CLOSE to equal. Not everyone has the same opportunities.

If you want to heavily tax corporations and pump that money into education, fine. But it should not be done to redistribute wealth. If you want to redistribute wealth, go to China.

mercutio7
03/07/07, 01:41 PM
that is far too oversimplified. The problem is that our education system is horrendously disproportionate.
elaborate

mercutio7
03/07/07, 01:43 PM
If you want to heavily tax corporations and pump that money into education, fine. But it should not be done to redistribute wealth. If you want to redistribute wealth, go to China.
Don't fucking tell me to go ANYWHERE. I am just as much a part of this country as you- I'm just not comfortable with the top 1% of our population holding almost 35% of personal wealth. You may enjoy the fat cats making out, but to say that everyone on welfare is simply a leach of the system is ignorant.

cantnokdahustle
03/07/07, 01:47 PM
elaborate

no.

If you want to heavily tax corporations and pump that money into education, fine. But it should not be done to redistribute wealth. If you want to redistribute wealth, go to China.

I believe you are the first person to suggest anything about the redistribution of wealth. Social programs are what we have been talking about.

Love As Arson
03/07/07, 01:48 PM
are you referring to the belief that a person can do whatever it takes to protect his property?
No, I am referring to this:

If we ask in what precisely consists the greatest good of all, which should be the end of every system of legislation, we shall find it reduce itself to two main objects, liberty and equality — liberty, because all particular dependence means so much force taken from the body of the State and equality, because liberty cannot exist without it.

I have already defined civil liberty; by equality, we should understand, not that the degrees of power and riches are to be absolutely identical for everybody; but that power shall never be great enough for violence, and shall always be exercised by virtue of rank and law; and that, in respect of riches, no citizen shall ever be wealthy enough to buy another, and none poor enough to be forced to sell himself: which implies, on the part of the great, moderation in goods and position, and, on the side of the common sort, moderation in avarice and covetousness.

Such equality, we are told, is an unpractical ideal that cannot actually exist. But if its abuse is inevitable, does it follow that we should not at least make regulations concerning it? It is precisely because the force of circumstances tends continually to destroy equality that the force of legislation should always tend to its maintenance.

Rousseau and Locke yeah?
I was thinking more about Rousseau.

mercutio7
03/07/07, 01:51 PM
no.



I believe you are the first person to suggest anything about the redistribution of wealth. Social programs are what we have been talking about.


Wow. I was actually interested in what you meant by your comment. But now you are refusing to elaborate on a statement that in part labled my post "simplified". Hmmm... funny.

Ambulance X
03/07/07, 01:55 PM
I believe you are the first person to suggest anything about the redistribution of wealth. Social programs are what we have been talking about.

Welfare is about as close to the direct the redistribution of wealth that you can get in a capitalist system.

x togepi x
03/07/07, 02:01 PM
Why should they be punished for having more money?

because, chances are, they exploited the poor to get that money

Love As Arson
03/07/07, 02:01 PM
If you want to heavily tax corporations and pump that money into education, fine. But it should not be done to redistribute wealth.
Why not? The wealthy have been redistributing the wealth produced by workers to themselves. Perhaps the majority should redistribute the wealth so as to receive the benefits of that which they produce.


If you want to redistribute wealth, go to China.
China has the same problem as America; an elite exploiting the majority for profit.

No. That's what the education system is for. We have free public education
Whose quality is determined by class.

there are thousands of scholarship opportunities for higher education.
There are millions being miseducated because they live in an area with low property taxes.

Go to school and get a real job instead of leeching off of the welfare system.
Leeching implies that they do not contribute to society, which they do, significantly in fact, to the amount of wealth produced by the US.

The rest of the population that doesn't value education needs to be cleaning my toilets.
The value ascribed to education is determined by the area in which an individual lives and the quality of education one receives. The societal message differs along class lines, with the upper class child getting a good education, while the poor child is explicitly being given the idea that working for the basic means of subsistence is their role.

Welfare should be abolished except in the case of the disabled.
I would actually like to see the restrictions placed on welfare by Clinton repealed, as every worker has a right to programs that provide for their housing, food and health.

mercutio7
03/07/07, 02:05 PM
Why not? The wealthy have been redistributing the wealth produced by workers to themselves. Perhaps the majority should redistribute the wealth so as to receive the benefits of that which they produce.



China has the same problem as America; an elite exploiting the majority for profit.


Whose quality is determined by class.


There are millions being miseducated because they live in an area with low property taxes.


Leeching implies that they do not contribute to society, which they do, significantly in fact, to the amount of wealth produced by the US.


The value ascribed to education is determined by the area in which an individual lives and the quality of education one receives. The societal message differs along class lines, with the upper class child getting a good education, while the poor child is explicitly being given the idea that working for the basic means of subsistence is their role.


I would actually like to see the restrictions placed on welfare by Clinton repealed, as every worker has a right to programs that provide for their housing, food and health.


haha oh snap. Props.

Ambulance X
03/07/07, 02:24 PM
Why not? The wealthy have been redistributing the wealth produced by workers to themselves. Perhaps the majority should redistribute the wealth so as to receive the benefits of that which they produce.

The wealthy have not been redistributing the wealth. The wealthy play by the rules of capitalism. That is not redistribution of wealth, chief.



China has the same problem as America; an elite exploiting the majority for profit.

Canada then.



Whose quality is determined by class.

Quality of education is absolutely not determined by class. It's determined by work ethic.


There are millions being miseducated because they live in an area with low property taxes.

I would completely support higher taxation of corporations in order to put more money into the education system. We agree there.


Leeching implies that they do not contribute to society, which they do, significantly in fact, to the amount of wealth produced by the US.

They do contribute by flipping my burgers at McDonald's, but the corporations like McD, Microsoft and GM are doing MUCH more for society than the actual workers. Without the corporations, those people wouldn't have jobs in the first place.


The value ascribed to education is determined by the area in which an individual lives and the quality of education one receives. The societal message differs along class lines, with the upper class child getting a good education, while the poor child is explicitly being given the idea that working for the basic means of subsistence is their role.

Education is all about parenting and work ethic. Parents need to teach their kids the value of an education instead of teaching them how to sell crack, and cutting them a welfare check every month isn't gonna help that.



I would actually like to see the restrictions placed on welfare by Clinton repealed, as every worker has a right to programs that provide for their housing, food and health.

Absolutely not. Go live in a commune.

thejetstolehome
03/07/07, 02:27 PM
Quality of education is absolutely not determined by class. It's determined by work ethic.


the laziest kid in my town's high school will get a better education than the hardest worker in a school system the next town over.

mercutio7
03/07/07, 02:29 PM
The wealthy have not been redistributing the wealth. The wealthy play by the rules of capitalism. That is not redistribution of wealth, chief.




Canada then.




Quality of education is absolutely not determined by class. It's determined by work ethic.



I would completely support higher taxation of corporations in order to put more money into the education system. We agree there.



They do contribute by flipping my burgers at McDonald's, but the corporations like McD, Microsoft and GM are doing MUCH more for society than the actual workers. Without the corporations, those people wouldn't have jobs in the first place.



Education is all about parenting and work ethic. Parents need to teach their kids the value of an education instead of teaching them how to sell crack, and cutting them a welfare check every month isn't gonna help that.




Absolutely not. Go live in a commune.

Actually my friend that lives in the Bronx had to work about 4 times as hard as I did to achieve a slightly lower GPA than me. Your opinion is that of someone who is privileged and ignorant. You have no idea what it is like to live in , say, the Bronx. Teachers are NOT the same as they are in Keene, NH, where I live now. Thus, some have much greater opportunities than others.

Ambulance X
03/07/07, 02:34 PM
Actually my friend that lives in the Bronx had to work about 4 times as hard as I did to achieve a slightly lower GPA than me. Your opinion is WASP , privileged, and ignorant. You have no idea what it is like to live in , say, the Bronx. Teachers are NOT the same as they are in Keene, NH, where I live now. Thus, some have much greater opportunities

First of all, I'm not a wasp. Secondly, you're right. The education system in inner cities needs fixing. that's why I would support heavier taxation of corporations to fund the education system. In the meantime, yes, someone might have to work harder, but every school needs a valedictorian, and there's nothing keeping anyone from applying themselves, and becoming that person. It all depends on how hard you're willing to work. If you work hard, you can make a great life for yourself in this country. If you want to dick around and smoke/sell pot, you get to flip my burgers.

mercutio7
03/07/07, 02:37 PM
First of all, I'm not a wasp. Secondly, you're right. The education system in inner cities needs fixing. that's why I would support heavier taxation of corporations to fund the education system. In the meantime, yes, someone might have to work harder, but every school needs a valedictorian, and there's nothing keeping anyone from applying themselves, and becoming that person.
I really apologise for saying WASP. I edited it and removed it, realising it was way to much of a personal attack. I'm just saying, I know what its like to be there, you know? I KNOW first hand that my education in Keene, NH is of exponentially higher quality that it was in the Bronx. You contested that all that matters is work ethic- which is not true.

Ambulance X
03/07/07, 02:38 PM
the laziest kid in my town's high school will get a better education than the hardest worker in a school system the next town over.

If the kids in the next town over work hard enough, they can get full ride scholarships to college.

thejetstolehome
03/07/07, 02:41 PM
no matter how hard you study from outdated textbooks, the information is still wrong and outdated. that doesn't really help in getting scholarships.

mercutio7
03/07/07, 02:43 PM
If the kids in the next town over work hard enough, they can get full ride scholarships to college.

no they cant. A poor school has very limited funds for scholarships. Not to mention that under the incredibly oxymoronical "No Child Left Behind Act" the schools that score lower on testing recieve less funds- thus continuously lowering the level of education and chances of knowing enough material to get grades appilicable for a scholarship that will no longer exist.

Ambulance X
03/07/07, 02:50 PM
no they cant. A poor school has very limited funds for scholarships. Not to mention that under the incredibly oxymoronical "No Child Left Behind Act" the schools that score lower on testing recieve less funds- thus continuously lowering the level of education and chances of knowing enough material to get grades appilicable for a scholarship that will no longer exist.

I agree. The no child left behind act is horrible. But scholarships don't need to come from the high school. If you're the valedictorian of an inner city school, have a 1300+ SAT, and you're black from a poor family, between scholarship money from the college and financial aid, you are a LOCK. You won't pay a dime for college.

mercutio7
03/07/07, 02:52 PM
I agree. The no child left behind act is horrible. But scholarships don't need to come from the high school. If you're the valedictorian of an inner city school, have a 1300+ SAT, and you're black from a poor family, between scholarship money from the college, and financial aid, you are a LOCK. You won't pay a dime for college.
Really? Because my friend Bruja is African American, lives in the Bronx, is Valedictorian, and is going to be in debt up to her eye balls after she graduates from Pomona University.

Ambulance X
03/07/07, 02:58 PM
Really? Because my friend Bruja is African American, lives in the Bronx, is Valedictorian, and is going to be in debt up to her eye balls after she graduates from Pomona University.

I think your friend must have done something wrong then, because unless she was valedictorian with a 70 average and 900 SAT, or her family is upper class, she would be going to school for free.

mercutio7
03/07/07, 03:01 PM
I think your friend must have done something wrong then, because unless she was valedictorian with a 70 average and 900 SAT, or her family is upper class, she would be going to school for free.

Well, that is certainly not the case. She has received some scholarship money, but nothing in the ballpark of free.

Ambulance X
03/07/07, 03:04 PM
Well, that is certainly not the case. She has received some scholarship money, but nothing in the ballpark of free.

From Pomona's website:


Cal Poly Pomona offers more than $1 million in scholarships annually to students, and there are thousands of external scholarships available, like the lucrative Century 21 scholarship.

The money's there, it's just a matter of going and getting it.

cantnokdahustle
03/07/07, 03:08 PM
Wow. I was actually interested in what you meant by your comment. But now you are refusing to elaborate on a statement that in part labled my post "simplified". Hmmm... funny.

I only didn't comment out of laziness. It was not your comment I hold to be a gross oversimplification, in fact, your comment, just above mine was a better articulation than my own.

mercutio7
03/07/07, 03:10 PM
From Pomona's website:



The money's there, it's just a matter of going and getting it.
Well considering the guidance counselor is shit, attaining scholarships are not that easy. Not to mention there are thousands of kids applying for that scholarship- most of which have probably had a much more priviliged education. This isn't underestimating her intelligence, or calling her helpless, because she is one of the brightest, powerful women I've ever met. I'm just saying your statement of opportunity being education being equal is wrong.

mercutio7
03/07/07, 03:13 PM
I only didn't comment out of laziness. It was not your comment I hold to be a gross oversimplification, in fact, your comment, just above mine was a better articulation than my own.
Kosher. my bad, I thought you were calling me out and then not explaining and I thought your wording was really interesting.

Love As Arson
03/07/07, 03:41 PM
The wealthy have not been redistributing the wealth. The wealthy play by the rules of capitalism. That is not redistribution of wealth, chief.
Let us look at recent developments:

Millionaires are so last millennium. The new Forbes 400 list of richest Americans is billionaires only.

If you're net worth is a mere $999 million, forget it. A billion means a thousand million, and that's the Forbes 400 minimum -- up from $900 million in 2005.

Donald Trump and two of his kids grace the Forbes 400 cover, but ranked No. 94 with $2.9 billion, Trump's a long way from No. 1 Bill Gates with $53 billion.

The combined wealth of the 400 richest Americans is a record-breaking $1.25 trillion. That's about the same amount of combined wealth held by the 57 million households who make up half the U.S. population.

The economy is booming for billionaires. It's a bust for many other Americans.

A record 400 Americans are billionaires -- and a record 47 million Americans have no health insurance.

America has 400 billionaires -- and 37 million people below the official poverty line.

The official poverty line for one person was just $9,973 in 2005 (latest data). That wouldn't cover the custom-made men's shoes ($4,128) and Hermes purse ($6,250) on the Forbes Cost of Living Extremely Well Index. The official poverty line of $15,577 for a three-person family is lower than the cost of the Patek Philippe men's gold watch ($17,600).

The Forbes 400 minimum is up $100 million since 2005, but the federal minimum wage has been stuck at $5.15 an hour -- just $10,712 a year -- since 1997. GOP leaders in Congress have been holding a raise for minimum wage workers hostage to more giant tax cuts for wealthy inheritors.

Wealth isn't trickling down. It's flooding up -- from workers to bosses, small investors to big, poorer to richer.

The heirs to Wal-Mart founders Sam and Bud Walton have a combined $82.5 billion -- while the children of Wal-Mart workers swell the ranks of state health insurance programs for the neediest.

In today's corporate America, workers see gutted paychecks and pensions despite rising worker productivity, while CEOs get golden pay, perks, pensions and parachutes. The pay gap between average workers and CEOs has grown nine times wider since the 1970s.

The number of billionaires is a record high, but the share of national income going to wages and salaries is at a record low.

U.S. corporate profits increased 21 percent in the past year, Market Watch reported in March. "Profits have been so high because almost all of the benefits from productivity improvements are flowing to the owners of capital rather than to the workers," said Market Watch.

The wealthiest 1 percent of Americans (minimum net worth $6 million) owned 62 percent of the nation's business assets, 51 percent of stocks and 70 percent of bonds as of 2004, according to the latest data from the Federal Reserve Survey of Consumer Finances -- which excludes the Forbes 400. That's way up from 1989, when the wealthiest 1 percent owned 54 percent of business assets, 41 percent of stocks and 52 percent of bonds.

Our growing economy is not producing a growing middle class, but a richer aristocracy.

The high point for median household income -- the income of the household in the middle -- was $47,671 in 1999, adjusted for inflation. In 2005, median household income was $1,345 less at $46,326. In the same period, the Forbes 400 gained more than 100 billionaires.

Government policies are fueling rising inequality. Taxpayers with incomes above $1 million will see their after-tax income grow by about 6 percent this year thanks to tax cuts the nation can't afford.

In an economy where money is flowing up to the very top, even college-educated workers are going backward. Inflation-adjusted median household income was lower in 2005 than 1999 even when the householder had a bachelor's degree, master's degree, professional degree or doctorate.

The problem is much bigger than the rich getting richer, while the poor get poorer. The really rich are getting richer at the expense of most everyone else.

Solutions include restoring the link between rising worker productivity and pay, raising the miserly minimum wage, narrowing the obscene pay gap between workers and CEOs, rolling back tax cuts for the wealthy -- and stop taxing income from work more than income from capital gains.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0928-31.htm
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Canada then.
The problem is pervasive in a capitalist society.


Quality of education is absolutely not determined by class. It's determined by work ethic.
The education of those in the suburbs is quite different from that of those who reside in low-income areas. As it is determined by the property taxes, those with wealth receive all of the benefits i.e. computers, books, quality teachers, etc. On the other hand, those that do not have an immense of amount of property taxes to draw from are left without the proper equipment to learn. Moreover, the most astounding thing is how this is divided by race. That is, minority students, on the whole, have a rose education than caucasian students and schools have become more segregated than ever.


They do contribute by flipping my burgers at McDonald's, but the corporations like McD, Microsoft and GM are doing MUCH more for society than the actual workers. Without the corporations, those people wouldn't have jobs in the first place.
How do you imagine the corporations would be able to function without workers? Moreover, where would corporate profits be derived from if the worker did not increase the value of the given commodity through its labor, which they are not paid for completely?


Education is all about parenting and work ethic. Parents need to teach their kids the value of an education instead of teaching them how to sell crack
As I said, the values of an individual are determined by the areas in which they reside. If they are receiving a poor education because of their class, the implicit message is that they are not meant to succeed and the other avenues of work become more viable.


and cutting them a welfare check every month isn't gonna help that.
That is only a portion of what I would like to see done. I'd like to see the school system fundamentally overhauled, such that class is no longer the determinant for quality of education. Rather than property taxes being the source of income for schools, let us distribute funding equally so that each child may be able to compete.


Absolutely not. Go live in a commune.
I'd rather work to see those policies put in place in America and elsewhere.

aminorthreat55
03/07/07, 08:59 PM
because, chances are, they exploited the poor to get that money
"To make society happy . . . it is requisite that great numbers should be ignorant as well as poor." - Bernard Mandeville

Zeran
10/02/10, 03:10 PM
bump.

Zeran
10/02/10, 03:13 PM
new census data shows that over 14%, 43 million americans, are living below the poverty line. this is the highest amount in over 50 years.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2010pubs/p60-238.pdf

seeing as how poverty is linked to things like being uneducated, unemployed, drug abuse, crime, and homelessness, what can be done to reduce the poverty rate?

i think bigger safety nets, a higher minimum wage, and more social spending for unemployment benefits, affordable public housing, and affordable public education is a good start.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/09/stretching_safety_net.html

caveBEAR
10/02/10, 04:29 PM
new census data shows that over 14%, 43 million americans, are living below the poverty line. this is the highest amount in over 50 years.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2010pubs/p60-238.pdf

seeing as how poverty is linked to things like being uneducated, unemployed, drug abuse, crime, and homelessness, what can be done to reduce the poverty rate?

i think bigger safety nets, a higher minimum wage, and more social spending for unemployment benefits, affordable public housing, and affordable public education is a good start.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/09/stretching_safety_net.html

Which is exactly what the Tea Party and co., have been having strokes about. Awesome. :wallbash:

Zeran
10/02/10, 05:16 PM
the tea party is also generally more well-off than ordinary americans, and thus can't relate too much to people living in poverty.

caveBEAR
10/02/10, 05:28 PM
Agreed. I'd love to have a 'Spend a Day In Inner Detroit Day' for Tea Partiers.

jawstheme
10/02/10, 06:07 PM
The wealthy have not been redistributing the wealth. The wealthy play by the rules of capitalism. That is not redistribution of wealth, chief.




Canada then.




Quality of education is absolutely not determined by class. It's determined by work ethic.



I would completely support higher taxation of corporations in order to put more money into the education system. We agree there.



They do contribute by flipping my burgers at McDonald's, but the corporations like McD, Microsoft and GM are doing MUCH more for society than the actual workers. Without the corporations, those people wouldn't have jobs in the first place.



Education is all about parenting and work ethic. Parents need to teach their kids the value of an education instead of teaching them how to sell crack, and cutting them a welfare check every month isn't gonna help that.




Absolutely not. Go live in a commune.

That was painful to read.

saysmydoctor
10/02/10, 08:47 PM
Quality of education is not determined by class? Actually, it's absolutely and completely determined by class. Arguing anything to the contrary is completely inaccurate.

GuitarR0cker1
10/03/10, 06:14 PM
the tea party is also generally more well-off than ordinary americans, and thus can't relate too much to people living in poverty.
For the most part teabagger candidates have done better in suburban areas and have done poorly in rural areas so this is definitely true.

Sonic222
10/04/10, 08:28 PM
People who are rich need to be poor for a year.
People who are poor need to be rich for a year.
Then the poor can take over and never give the power back.
"They" are afraid of this.
"They" suck donkey ding-dongs.

open mind
10/05/10, 05:43 AM
capitalism at it's finest and most corporate.

mattyrocks
10/05/10, 07:59 AM
People who are rich need to be poor for a year.
People who are poor need to be rich for a year.
Then the poor can take over and never give the power back.
"They" are afraid of this.
"They" suck donkey ding-dongs.


haha huh?

Scrandon
10/05/10, 09:18 AM
People who are rich need to be poor for a year.
People who are poor need to be rich for a year.
Then the poor can take over and never give the power back.
"They" are afraid of this.
"They" suck donkey ding-dongs.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vBiL4nSwNBU/SEl5Rxceg9I/AAAAAAAAADQ/hkiQIATg27A/s320/hostess_ding_dongs_300w.jpg

GuitarR0cker1
10/05/10, 03:10 PM
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/09/img/getting_priorities_straight_change. jpg
The class divide continues to worsen.

saysmydoctor
10/05/10, 03:25 PM
People who are rich need to be poor for a year.
People who are poor need to be rich for a year.
Then the poor can take over and never give the power back.
"They" are afraid of this.
"They" suck donkey ding-dongs.
Brilliant.