What are your Political Views and why?

[AudioBoxers]

What are your Political Views and why?














i'm not an anarchist but i belive in a progressive stance in politics
in an ideal society an absence of government would work
but an ideal society is only obtainable under opression and control
so why try to obtain such a society if opressive means are the only means to obtain it
i belive the people should hve more power
but not complete power
there will always be radicals, right and left
there will always murderers and criminals
this is human nature and how the world is
thats why i belive in a progressive stance in politics
don't eliminate government but improve such conditions that plauge the people

[open mind]

i'm not a card carrying member of any party because on any given issue each one can be wrong.
i will say that i think the whole political system needs to be reworked so it's less about money and more about ideas,these days the people who get elected are usually the ones with the most money,the people with the most money are usually getting that money from people and corporations that like things the way they are, being that the way things are got them or keeps them rich, so not a whole lot changes when changes need to be implemented because the elected representatives get down to pretty much keeping things the same because the contributers to their campaign like it that way.
anyway my point is that the current system we have doesn't really allow the little guy who's living with the problems of society
to have a clear voice because he doesn't have the money to put somebody in office,so changes aren't put in place where they are most needed, at least not in a timely manner.
confused yet?
i don't think i can cover all my political views though, it's to broad a topic.

[bossydacow]

I lean towards the left.
pro-choice
anti-death penalty
pro universal health care
pro gun control
anti- pre-emptive military action...

a lot of my beliefs, (except for my views on abortion) stem from Catholic Social teaching themes:

Life and Dignity of the Human Person
We believe that every person is precious, that people are more important then things, and that the measure of every institution is whether it threatens or enhances the life and dignity of the human person.

Call to Family, Community, and Participation
We believe people have a right and duty to participate in society, seeking together the common good and well-being of all, especially the poor and vulnerable.

Rights and Responsibilities
Every person has a fundamental right to life and a right to all those things required for human decency. Corresponding to these rights are duties and responsibilities to one another, to our families, and to the larger society.

Option for the Poor and Vulnerable
In a society marred by the deepening divisions between the rich and the poor, our tradition recalls the story of the last Judgment (Mt. 25: 31-46) and instructs us to put the needs of the poor and vulnerable first.

The Dignity and the Rights of Workers
If the dignity of work is to be protected, then the basic rights of workers must be respected: the right to productive work, to decent and fair wages, to organize and join unions, to private property, and to economic justice.

Solidarity
We are our brothers’ and sisters’ keepers, wherever they live. Learning to practice the virtue of solidarity means learning that loving our neighbor has global dimensions in an independent world.

Care of God’s Creation
We are called to protect people and the planet, living our faith in relationship with all God’s creation. This environmental challenge has fundamental moral and ethical dimensions that cannot be ignored.

--from NCCatholic

I believe these things because they fell like the logical and moral things to believe in.

[BrandNewRock05]

Conservative.
Right Views.
Small Economic Government.
Flat Tax.
Anti-Reparations.
Anti-Affirmative Action.
Anti-Segrigation
Pro-Equality
Pro-Capital Punishment
Anti-Abortion.
Pro-Enviroment, but human development is number 1.
Pro-Marijuana
Anti-Global Health Care
Anti-TV in jail cell, punishment is supposed to be punishment

[BustaNutz]

I lean towards the left.
I am pro-choice.
I don't agree with the death penalty except for in the most extreme of cases.
I am for the legalization of marijuana
I am for social programs, I just believe they need reform.
I am against action in Iraq
I think affirmative action of archaic and needs to be reassessed and changed or eliminated.
I think socialized medicine is a good idea, just difficult to implement
I don't hate the right, despite the fact many from the right hate the left.
I think George W. Bush is the worst president to ever be elected in the country.
I don't think women are a minority, nor should they be given special rights or special privelages, they should just be equal.
I am for the arts.
I am against BrandNewRock05
I think anarchism is quixotic and will never be successful even if it were to be implemented
Same with communism.

[Justin_stacy]

i guess i'll use the pattern brandnew and busta started........

i'm a madorate, leaning a little to the right....
i beleive in equality on all levels no matter what financial level you are, race you are, sex you are, or whether your straight or gay...............
I'm against murder in all cases, whether its abortion or capital punishment.......
I believe the only way to have a unified country is to have one national language.....
I believe the military is for our protection and SHOULD be on the border with mexico and canada.........
I believe in a flat tax because it treates everyone equal....
I believe in a small central government......and i think welfare, education, health, roads, ect ect should be up to local governments and states because they best understand what the citizens want.........
I believe in states rights over an oppressive washington.......
I believe that people should care for themselves and not expect the governments to control or care for them.......
I believe extremist on either side, left or right, are evil because they care for nothing but expanding there own power and wealth....
I believe that people are the most important thing on these planet and should be treated as so.......
I believe animals were made for our enjoyment or for food....
I believe that the enviroment was made for us to do as we seem fit.........
I believe we should expand alternative resources, but for the time being we need to drill on our own land........
I believe large trucks and suv's should be banned and an engine bigger then a v-8 should be banned (these are only on private use)
I believe legalization of any drugs leads to greater drug use........
I believe that california should form its own country and leave america.........
I believe most of the social problems we have in this country are the direct cause of the horrible FDR........
I believe that americans should back the country of israel because it is surround by terrorist based countries and groups, who started the problems we are faceing in the middle east.......

[BrandNewDream]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Conservative.
Right Views.
Small Economic Government.
Flat Tax.
Anti-Reparations.
Anti-Affirmative Action.
Anti-Segrigation
Pro-Equality
Pro-Capital Punishment
Anti-Abortion.
Pro-Enviroment, but human development is number 1.
Pro-Marijuana
Anti-Global Health Care
Anti-TV in jail cell, punishment is supposed to be punishment

Moderate
Probably Left Leaning
Flat Tax
Anti-Affirmative Action
Anti-Segrigation
Pro-Equality
Pro-Capital Punishment
Pro-Choice
Humans before Environment, 100% of the time. I do, feel, however, the environment is important.
Pro-Marijuana
Pro-Global Health Care
Pro-Gun Control
Pro-National Defense
Anti-Social Programs (most of them, anyway)
Pro-Action In Iraq
Women and Gays are not minorities (I know, gay isn't the traditional sexual orientation, but I think most of you know what I mean)

[AudioBoxers]

ok good so it seems like we all are the same almost

[BustaNutz]

Not really, the dynamic is kind of as such...

Busta, Ronin, Bossy, Zach vs. Chubb, BrandNew, Justin, WithStamin, Yeat

Then there are others who contribute too, but it's usually these people arguing against each other... I will say this is the most intelligent of the forums on AP.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by BrandNewDream
Moderate
Probably Left Leaning
Flat Tax
Anti-Affirmative Action
Anti-Segrigation
Pro-Equality
Pro-Capital Punishment
Pro-Choice
Humans before Environment, 100% of the time. I do, feel, however, the environment is important.
Pro-Marijuana
Pro-Global Health Care
Pro-Gun Control
Pro-National Defense
Anti-Social Programs (most of them, anyway)
Pro-Action In Iraq
Women and Gays are not minorities (I know, gay isn't the traditional sexual orientation, but I think most of you know what I mean)
wow you are like my double, how are you left again?

[BustaNutz]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
wow you are like my double, how are you left again?

I was wondering the same thing...

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by BustaNutz
I was wondering the same thing... the only thing really different is abortion...

[BrandNewDream]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
wow you are like my double, how are you left again?

well when we did that chart, I was quite close to the middle, but I was on the left side. I think my religious views made it that way.

[AudioBoxers]

Originally posted by BrandNewDream
well when we did that chart, I was quite close to the middle, but I was on the left side. I think my religious views made it that way. Religios views can change alot like that

[BrandNewDream]

Originally posted by AudioBoxers
Religios views can change alot like that

No, idiot, I meant that my religious views altered the scale.

[DevilMayCare]

I am pro-choice but i don't think i could ever have an abortion myself.
I am against the death penalty. one, it costs way too much for lethal injection and i think that life in jail would be much worse than being injected with something and falling off to sleep for the rest of eternity.
I am pro-legalized marijuana. i dont think that it will increase drug use, and it could be taxed to raise money for something worthful. but i do think that "harder" drugs should stay illegal because all weed makes you do is become a lard ass, no pothead really wants to hurt anybody (not the ones i know anyway)
I was (and still am) against action in Iraq, because the public was sold the wrong reasons and we didn't (and still don't) have any real backing byt the U.N.
Anti-patriotism but pro-nationalism (there is a difference)
Pro-creationism taught in the schools as an OPTION, along with darwins theory of evolution. I don't think that either of them should be solely taught as THE WAY that earth came to be, merely presented as the theories that they are.
Anti-private contracts in Iraq
I can't really think of anything else at the moment, if something comes to me, ill wonder why i didn't put it on here

[Ronin]

I don't have political views, I have personal views.

[BrandNewDream]

Originally posted by Ronin
I don't have political views, I have personal views.

lol...good call, Colin.

[chubb9]

Consevative
Right, no leaning about it
Fuck Affirmative Action (aka blacks are better than whites)
Anti-Segrigation
Pro-Equality
Pro-Capital Punishment, eye for an eye
Pro-life, so many alternatives
Environment good, people better
Anti - Marijauna
Anti - Global Health Care
Guns don't kill people, people kill people
Pro-National Defense, should be at the top of the list
Pro-Action In Iraq, or action on any terrorist harboring nation
I strongly believe in our constitution but i feel that is has and is being taken advantage of.
Fuck Peta
Fuck the ACLU
Love your country.

[AudioBoxers]

Originally posted by BrandNewDream
No, idiot, I meant that my religious views altered the scale. thats what I meant, they can change alot like as in scale

[BrandNewDream]

Originally posted by AudioBoxers
thats what I meant, they can change alot like as in scale

alright...i noticed something...you have almost 40 posts a day.

go get a life.

[AudioBoxers]

Like I noticed, I have been here longer than you and I am a origanal member so you dont know what you are talking about and dont know who I am.

[rainbowmafia21]

I don't know shit about politics, but I know what I believe. According to the Political Compass (http://politicalcompass.org) I'm mostly left libertarian. Whatever.

Pro-Choice
(on abortion of course)

Anti-Affarmitive Action
(equality for everyone but no special treatment)

Pro-Enviroment
(why do people say humans before enviroment? we need it to survive, duh!)

Against war in Iraq
(it's not doing any good, the public was mislead, or president is a dumbass, not to mention that millions of people are dying)

Pro Gun Control
(of course guns kill people dumbass!)

Anti Marajuana
(who needs it it just messes with ur life, get high on something else)

Anti-Death Penalty
(if I were a criminal I'd love to be put to sleep, life in jail would be so much worse)

Anti-Segregation
(thats self explanitory)

Flat Tax sounds super, but I need to read up on it more.

Health care should be hella cheaper for those who need it!!!

I think democracy is great, just not this country's idea of it.

Yeah, I'm an uneducated little kid, if you have a problem with this, then, oh wait, ha, I don't care.

Oh and by the way, just cuz ur religious doesn't mean you have any morals or are better then anyone else.

And ther's nothing wrong with gay people getting married or joinin the flippin boy scouts! Ferchrisakes...

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by rainbowmafia21
Pro Gun Control
(of course guns kill people dumbass!)



actually people kill people...........

[Ronin]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
actually people kill people...........

Yes, but they are more inclined to do so with a gun. A gun distances them from the act. Few people would kill another with their bare hands, it's too revolting, even for most murderers. Same thing with a knife.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by Ronin
Yes, but they are more inclined to do so with a gun. A gun distances them from the act. Few people would kill another with their bare hands, it's too revolting, even for most murderers. Same thing with a knife.

but thats not what he said........he said it was the gun to blame, which its not........its a "person" lacking humanity........the object makes no difference, hell a rock or spear can be thrown from a distances.........

[Ronin]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
but thats not what he said........he said it was the gun to blame, which its not........its a "person" lacking humanity........the object makes no difference, hell a rock or spear can be thrown from a distances.........

I can't see someone holding up a liquor store with either of those.

Guns are convenient, concealable, and quickly lethal.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by Ronin
I can't see someone holding up a liquor store with either of those.

Guns are convenient, concealable, and quickly lethal.

liquor stores are held up all the time with "sharp objects" (such as a knife)....but thats beyond the point..........guns can not physically kill someone without a living being first controling them.....

[Ronin]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
liquor stores are held up all the time with "sharp objects" (such as a knife)....but thats beyond the point..........guns can not physically kill someone without a living being first controling them.....

I obviously won't argue with that, it's ultimately the person who does the killing. But I feel as though we should limit their access to an efficient means of killing.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
liquor stores are held up all the time with "sharp objects" (such as a knife)....but thats beyond the point..........guns can not physically kill someone without a living being first controling them.....

you can defend yourself against a knife or other sharp object, you can't defend yourself against a bullet.

[yeat182]

Guns don't kill people, People with guns kill people.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by Ronin
I obviously won't argue with that, it's ultimately the person who does the killing. But I feel as though we should limit their access to an efficient means of killing.

yes but you can't take away somthing that the many use properly, just because a few use them wrongly.........also abusive gun laws just lead to higher crime rates for the common man, so thats not really efficient either.....

[Charlito Cafe]

Probably classifed as left-wing

I support gun control
(Guns are dangerous and should not be in the hands of people who will use them irresponsibly.)

I am conflicted on abortion
(A women should be able to choose, but life is the most sacred commodity....still can't decide.)

Agaisnt the death penalty in all cases.
(Prison should be about reform, not punishment. Also, killing people to teach them that killing is wrong never made sense to me.)

I consider myself a global citizen.
(The world comes first, then country, then state.)

Environment before economy.
(If we destroy the environment, we won't have the resources for a good economy.)

The U.S. should be cooperative internationally.
(Just because we have bigger guns doesn't mean we should bully people.)

I view the government as a valuable tool for aiding the populace. (I.e welfare and other programs.)

Diversity is good.
(Speaking several languages within a nation, being exposed to other cultures, affirmative action's intent, however that may not be it's effect.)

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
I consider myself a global citizen.
(The world comes first, then country, then state.)




wow......i must say im the exact opposite on that one......boy we'll probably disaggree on every thing...............but it is nice to see that you've returned......

[rainbowmafia21]

Yes it's true that ultimately a person will shoot the gun, but if some bad parent leaves their guns out and a little or stupid kid shoots one off and blows someone's brains out, wouldn't it be better if the gun wasn't there at all?

[BustaNutz]

Yeah, the gun enthusiasts like to hide behind the ammendment which grants the right to bear arms. But as has been stated before, that was back when muskets were top of the line. If someone wants to own a musket, more power to them. But nobody needs to own a handgun, a semiautomatic rifle, or an automatic weapon. There is truly no need for that. I can even understand regular hunting rifles, but army-grade weapons have no place in ANY home. I can't see how anyone can justify allowing those types of guns to be legal.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by BustaNutz
Yeah, the gun enthusiasts like to hide behind the ammendment which grants the right to bear arms. But as has been stated before, that was back when muskets were top of the line. If someone wants to own a musket, more power to them. But nobody needs to own a handgun, a semiautomatic rifle, or an automatic weapon. There is truly no need for that. I can even understand regular hunting rifles, but army-grade weapons have no place in ANY home. I can't see how anyone can justify allowing those types of guns to be legal.

i agree...a bolt action rifle for hunting is fine, anything else is excessive and dangerous. like i posted above, guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people.

[BustaNutz]

Originally posted by yeat182
i agree...a bolt action rifle for hunting is fine, anything else is excessive and dangerous. like i posted above, guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people.

We agree! How rare!

[yeat182]

great minds think alike

[LBC]

Originally posted by chubb9
Consevative
Right, no leaning about it
Fuck Affirmative Action (aka blacks are better than whites)
Anti-Segrigation
Pro-Equality
Pro-Capital Punishment, eye for an eye
Pro-life, so many alternatives
Environment good, people better
Anti - Marijauna
Anti - Global Health Care
Guns don't kill people, people kill people
Pro-National Defense, should be at the top of the list
Pro-Action In Iraq, or action on any terrorist harboring nation
I strongly believe in our constitution but i feel that is has and is being taken advantage of.
Fuck Peta
Fuck the ACLU
Love your country.

I'm just going to rip off this post right here because it's exactly how I think as well (except capital punishment). And those last three lines...perfect.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by BustaNutz
Yeah, the gun enthusiasts like to hide behind the ammendment which grants the right to bear arms. But as has been stated before, that was back when muskets were top of the line. If someone wants to own a musket, more power to them.

the 1st amendment will be the first to fall if we use the example you made.........

[BustaNutz]

And frankly, the first ammendment should probably be reassesed because we are way to liberal in what we allow it to excuse. Destruction of property, slander, libel, fraudulent behavior and any other things like these are not what the ammendment was meant to allow for.

I'm sorry but the 1st ammendment is not in place so we can publish pictures of the bodies of murder victims or take pictures of people being raped and post them online. None of this is the first ammendment, it's just plain bad behavior, not worth justifying.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by BustaNutz
And frankly, the first ammendment should probably be reassesed because we are way to liberal in what we allow it to excuse. Destruction of property, slander, libel, fraudulent behavior and any other things like these are not what the ammendment was meant to allow for.

I'm sorry but the 1st ammendment is not in place so we can publish pictures of the bodies of murder victims or take pictures of people being raped and post them online. None of this is the first ammendment, it's just plain bad behavior, not worth justifying.

everything that is taken way to discourage one wrong act, is done at the expense of thousands of others who are going to loss the ability to do something that is right or positive................

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by BustaNutz
or take pictures of people being raped and post them online.
this one actually is illegal and would lose in a court battle...........

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
wow......i must say im the exact opposite on that one......boy we'll probably disaggree on every thing...............but it is nice to see that you've returned......

Yeah, I'm back from my two-week hiatus. It's fun reading old threads. I missed a lot, but I'm ready to go again.

[neb nawoc]

i didnt read all your crap, and im too lazy to write it all out.

but according to http://politicalcompass.org/ I'm a Leftist Libertarian, and I have about the same standing as Ghandi.

oh yea, and I think George W. Bush is a fucking moronic retard.

[Alk3DCStars71]

Originally posted by AudioBoxers
What are your Political Views and why?

I'm a democrat.
1. Pro-choice. Guys can have their opinions on this, but you can't really understand the emotional pros and cons on this issue unless you're a woman.
2. Pro-welfare, to a certain extent. I was raised on welfare b/c I was a Reagan Baby, and my parents wanted to work, but there was NO WORK. I think that the welfare system should help, but they need to be stricter about work- if people won't work, even if you give them job options, then their welfare needs to be cut off. That's just laziness, especially when most of the people who won't work and are on welfare have children and don't take care of them like they should.
3. Anti-Gun, to a certain extent. The laws about getting guns and what types of guns that are available need to be restricted. No one should be allowed to have most weapons that are used in massive war.
4. Anti-prayer in school. I'm not an atheist, I'm a Wiccan. I believe in two higher powers, and I don't eat babies or sacrifice people. Yet religious stereotypes live on. My parents didn't raise me with religion b/c they wanted me to choose my life freely. The U.S. Government should do the same.
5. Help the environment. People seem to think that oil and natural resources will be there forever. Most can't be made new, and if they can, it will take several years. Once they're gone, they're gone.
6. Public School improvement. I left public school b/c my school system was terrible. The materials were years old, there was a constant teacher shortage, and their approach to education was "unorthodox" (I had a math teacher who came to school drunk once a week, and yet they kept him on). I home schooled, and I think that private methods of education will be on the rise if public school doesn't start to be more equally distributed.
7. More jobs for the blue collar workers. I come from a long line, and while I'm trying to better myself, I still support my background.











i'm not an anarchist but i belive in a progressive stance in politics
in an ideal society an absence of government would work
but an ideal society is only obtainable under opression and control
so why try to obtain such a society if opressive means are the only means to obtain it
i belive the people should hve more power
but not complete power
there will always be radicals, right and left
there will always murderers and criminals
this is human nature and how the world is
thats why i belive in a progressive stance in politics
don't eliminate government but improve such conditions that plauge the people

[Alk3DCStars71]

Oh, and I'm anti-war. It's wrong how they're keeping all the troops in the same posts for another year. The whole war thing is fucked up, and I am definitely against President Bush on almost everything. I'm not afraid to drive around with a "Not my President" sticker on my car in my lily-white conservative small town, where, almost everyone carries a concealed weapon and goes to church every Sunday, and hates all races except for the WASPS (I was raised in a hippie enviornment, so I am completely different).

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by Alk3DCStars71
I'm not afraid to drive around with a "Not my President" sticker on my car in my lily-white conservative small town, where, almost everyone carries a concealed weapon and goes to church every Sunday, and hates all races except for the WASPS (I was raised in a hippie enviornment, so I am completely different).

why the fuck do those assholes need a concealed gun if they are in a homogeneous environment? What do they have to be threatened by?

[DevilMayCare]

Originally posted by bossydacow
why the fuck do those assholes need a concealed gun if they are in a homogeneous environment? What do they have to be threatened by?
people insulting the size of their......... mustache.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Originally posted by BustaNutz
Not really, the dynamic is kind of as such...

Busta, Ronin, Bossy, Zach vs. Chubb, BrandNew, Justin, WithStamin, Yeat

Then there are others who contribute too, but it's usually these people arguing against each other... I will say this is the most intelligent of the forums on AP.

If I was smart enough to spend more time in here, I'd be on the Zach, Pat, Colin and Bossy side of that argument, as I tend to lean left, almost Zach left. When I took the test that WithStamin put the results on a grid for, i believe i was -6, -6.

[Alk3DCStars71]

Originally posted by bossydacow
why the fuck do those assholes need a concealed gun if they are in a homogeneous environment? What do they have to be threatened by?

I haven't figured it out yet. I guess it's because they think there is going to be some type of race war (Such ignorance). I live in the most redneck town, I swear. Believe me, I hear shit every day about my wardrobe and hair, and usually the people who address me are total strangers.

[DrunKidCatholic]

I think by most part, theres nothing we can really do...you say you can change it?..I wanna see :D ..let me see !!

[plfy999]

I was thinking about Bush and what makes him make the crazy choices he has made. I can only conclude so far that he must be a deeply disturbed person with a lot of problems which emminate in his global manourvres. Per chance something awful happened to him or his wife that caused him to choose the path he has taken. The worst thing I could think of is that maybe his wife was sexually assualted which caused him great distress and he has been unable to deal with the emotions. This crazy theory is not mean't to have a go at him but point out he is only human and through circumstance has come to power. I used this scernario in my head (which is of course a load of rubbish) to write songs about him. Perhaps we should consider he is human with faults which have had enormous repocussions for the world around us. It seems to have got the point where Russia is angry with us so much so they threaten to inflict death on a grand scale as a sign of deffiance. In business many strange moves of companies can be easily spotted.
Well my rant is over and I will continue to plod along and hope that Mr Bushes personal problems don't cause my family to be killed in generations to come.

[thejetstolehome]

you should be banned for bumping a thread that's almost four years old.