Reverse Racism

[BrandNewRock05]

Sorry I have no link, but I heard it on O'Reilly and thought that it was very interesting….

A white teacher, who was completely qualified, was assigned an African history class, some teachers of black students bitched about having a white teacher teach this class, and the school backed down and assigned a black teacher, who was also qualified, so not to take anything from him. I consider that racism, of course most of the media doesn’t. Even the guy who was talking with O'Reilly about this said that basically its okay for blacks to do something like this because they have been hurt in the past, now this guy was white, and married to a black woman and obviously favored reparations. I think this is super racist, but since its reverse of what people are used to hearing, its okay, because blacks have been oppressed for so long that two wrongs DO make a right in their mind, to me this is undoubtedly a major case of racism, what do you think?

[yeat182]

i saw that last night, its pretty lame. i mean, there should be no requirment that you have to be black to teach this class, thats stupid.

[kidinthecorner]

Thats ridiculous. Does your World History class come from Rome? As long as they know what they are talking about, any teacher should teach any class he/she is qualified for teaching.

[Mobilize]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Sorry I have no link, but I heard it on O'Reilly and thought that it was very interesting….

A white teacher, who was completely qualified, was assigned an African history class, some teachers of black students bitched about having a white teacher teach this class, and the school backed down and assigned a black teacher, who was also qualified, so not to take anything from him. I consider that racism, of course most of the media doesn’t. Even the guy who was talking with O'Reilly about this said that basically its okay for blacks to do something like this because they have been hurt in the past, now this guy was white, and married to a black woman and obviously favored reparations. I think this is super racist, but since its reverse of what people are used to hearing, its okay, because blacks have been oppressed for so long that two wrongs DO make a right in their mind, to me this is undoubtedly a major case of racism, what do you think?


I have noticed lately and in the past that the black culture has become more racist toward whites than whites are to them but it seems that if blacks a racist nobody will say anything just because 30 years ago they were treated unfairly and 100 or so years ago they were slaves. I dont see how that makes a differnce I mean that is the past right that type of racisim and most racism has been gone. They are treated just as equal as whites.

[Mobilize]

Originally posted by kidinthecorner
Thats ridiculous. Does your World History class come from Rome? As long as they know what they are talking about, any teacher should teach any class he/she is qualified for teaching.

exactly

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Mobilize
I have noticed lately and in the past that the black culture has become more racist toward whites than whites are to them but it seems that if blacks a racist nobody will say anything just because 30 years ago they were treated unfairly and 100 or so years ago they were slaves. I dont see how that makes a differnce I mean that is the past right that type of racisim and most racism has been gone. They are treated just as equal as whites.
Try 150 years +

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Try 150 years +

slavery ended in 1865

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
slavery ended in 1865
nationally, but has been over in most states for longer, but thats a reasonable statement you make, so nearly 140 years then

[Mobilize]

Yeah but my point was that racisim has been counterd to white people now alot also.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Mobilize
Yeah but my point was that racisim has been counterd to white people now alot also.
for sure, ie. affirmative action, cops dealing with "brutality", cracker...etc

[Mobilize]

I mean I know there is still racial tension between black and white dont get me wrong there is also racism from white people also. But it seems now that anything that happens like police brutality for example if they were to say beat a white person and they were white cops because say this white person was attacking one of them it would probably be ignored more so than if that man was black and the officers were white.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Mobilize
I mean I know there is still racial tension between black and white dont get me wrong there is also racism from white people also. But it seems now that anything that happens like police brutality for example if they were to say beat a white person and they were white cops because say this white person was attacking one of them it would probably be ignored more so than if that man was black and the officers were white. I am not going to deny it, whites are cruel to blacks still to this day, but what I am complaining about is that the second a white man touches a black man, its a hate crime, but you never hear it the other way...you only hear the blacks being harrassed, imagine if a bunch of white parents complained that their students european history teacher was black and the school replaced him with a white man...all hell would brake lose, the parents would be labeled rednecks, the school Bigot High and the black teacher would be a marder. And the Jesse Hi-Jackson would sue the school.

[Mobilize]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
I am not going to deny it, whites are cruel to blacks still to this day, but what I am complaining about is that the second a white man touches a black man, its a hate crime, but you never hear it the other way...you only hear the blacks being harrassed, imagine if a bunch of white parents complained that their students european history teacher was black and the school replaced him with a white man...all hell would brake lose, the parents would be labeled rednecks, the school Bigot High and the black teacher would be a marder. And the Jesse Hi-Jackson would sue the school.

Yes and if a white man does the same thing like if he touches him in a harmful way everyone turns there heads and ignores it and says he deserved it or some shit like that but if its a black person its a hate crime I mean even if it was a Mexican or an Asian it would probably be ok too. Its almost like if your black you get some kind of specail treatment because you were descriminated against however many years ago and enslaved. Seems like no one will get past the fact that its over and no one should get treated differntly because of there race and that gose for white people also.

[NicoleC]

i think the whole hate crime thing is completely dumb. and as a minority i guess i would be the minority in the minority that believe this. it upsets me when people of color automatically think that "the man" is out to get them.
i am against affirmative action, too. i think that it would be wrong for me to take the spot of someone who is more qualified than i am.
i dont see why minorities whine and complain about how white people make so much more money. if it werent for the white people, they would still be back in their won country living in tin shacks. i guess im just white on the inside...brown on the outside...

my rant for the day

[Ronin]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
I am not going to deny it, whites are cruel to blacks still to this day, but what I am complaining about is that the second a white man touches a black man, its a hate crime, but you never hear it the other way...you only hear the blacks being harrassed, imagine if a bunch of white parents complained that their students european history teacher was black and the school replaced him with a white man...all hell would brake lose, the parents would be labeled rednecks, the school Bigot High and the black teacher would be a marder. And the Jesse Hi-Jackson would sue the school.

I think you meant "martyr"


But you're right, it's racism, and it's wrong.

My Russian History professor was British, and nobody had a problem with that. It's basically the same thing.

[BrandNewDream]

This is ridiculous...A person's knowledge and teaching ability should NOT be based on the color of their skin. Hell, for all we know, the black teacher could know nothing about Africa, and the white teacher could have spent 15 years teaching there. And I bet the black teacher would STILL get the job over the white guy. I'm going to add an article by the hilarious Rick Reilly:

"White Like Me

Look how white I am. Am I lame or what? Can't jump. Can't dance. Can't run. Can't dress. Can't hang.

It's O.K. I know I'm a pathetic White Guy. I'm at peace with it. In fact I laugh about it all the time. I have to. Black athletes today love to make fun of us White Guys.

Last week, for instance, boxer Mike Tyson had a little fun with white reporter Mark Malinowski at Tyson's press conference-cage match with Lennox Lewis. Grabbing his crotch and using his best prison vocabulary, Tyson challenged Malinowski to fight and then accused him of being "scared like a little white p----" because he wouldn't. In American trash talk today that's three put-downs in a row. Little. White. And p----.

Now if a white heavyweight grabbed his crotch and called a black reporter a "little black p----," he'd be spending the rest of his days playing Parcheesi with Al Campanis and Dan Issel. Nobody, though, demanded that Tyson apologize to Malinowski, least of all Malinowski.

Not to worry, it's cool! Last season Toronto Raptors star Vince Carter came onto the court to discover he was being covered by the Minnesota Timberwolves' Wally Szczerbiak. Carter turned to the Minnesota bench with a smile and said, according to Szczerbiak, "You better get this white guy off me, or I'm going to score 40." (Carter denies referring to Szczerbiak's race.)

Was Carter fined? Suspended? Ordered to spend six weeks in a white-sensitivity workshop? Nah. We're White Guys. What are we going to do, sue?

Sometimes we're not even White Guys. We're White Boys. In his book Shaq Talks Back, Shaquille O'Neal wrote, "If you get dunked on by a white boy, you got to come home to your friends and hear it."

Hilarious! Of course it wouldn't be nearly as funny if, say, David Stern wrote in his book, "If you get outnegotiated by a black boy, you got to go to the country club and hear it." He'd be taped naked to the hood of Jesse Jackson's car. Still, was Shaq rocked by scandal? Did principals pull the book out of school libraries? Nah. Because all us crackers know it's true! If we dunk on you, you really suck!

Besides, anytime you can slip in the phrase white boy these days, it's just damn funny. Now, if you called Jerry Rice a "black boy" or Ichiro Suzuki a "yellow boy" or Notah Begay a "red boy," you'd be begging spare change at a bus station inside a week. But it's fine. We're the last unprotected race, so bash away!

Some White Guys aren't sure it's all that amusing, like Denver Nuggets forward Raef LaFrentz. "When people call me 'white boy,' I take it as an insult," he says. "It's a negative racial term, just like the n word." However, Dallas Mavericks guard Steve Nash says he finds it funny when black guys tell him, "You're pretty good for a white boy."

"Besides," Nash says, "it's pretty accurate, right?"

See, we White Guys know we suck. We hear it all the time. When we hoop, we've got White Man's Disease. When we dance, we've got White Man's Overbite. When we jam, we're just Average White Band. We know if Larry Bird were black, he'd be, as Isiah Thomas said, "just another guy." We know we're supposed to giggle when Charles Barkley says, "See? This is what I hate about white people." He's right! We're all exactly the same!

When ESPN debuted its terrific new talk show, Pardon the Interruption, the preview ads promised it "wasn't pretty." To prove it, host Tony Kornheiser said, "We're old. We're fat. We're bald. And we're white." Then his partner Michael Wilbon, who is black, said, "And one of us is blind." Poor Tony. He's got the big four strikes against him right there. Old. Fat. Bald. And white. Hey, the truth hurts.

We White Guys have faced it. We're wack at most everything. Basically the only thing we dominate now is stuff black people don't have the right clothes to try -- lumberjack contests and luge. But we shred documents like nobody's damn business!

We're not mad. We've come to grips with it. Even when we do something good -- like the three white firemen who raised the U.S. flag at ground zero -- we understand you have to change two of the guys' race to nonwhite when you want to build the statue. Who wants three White Guys hanging around forever?

What, you thought White Guys had feelings?"

[NicoleC]

amen! haha. i agree.

[BuriedAlive]

if you think slavery is abolished then your dumb. that only freed the black slaves. still now there are many mexicans (no offense) who come across the border in trucks and work to pay off their debt. slavery is still everywhere. i know i did a project on it for school.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
if you think slavery is abolished then your dumb. that only freed the black slaves. still now there are many mexicans (no offense) who come across the border in trucks and work to pay off their debt. slavery is still everywhere. i know i did a project on it for school.

i think you mean Indentured servants not slaves.......

[BuriedAlive]

no i dont. i mean slaves. but is there a difference? they dont get paid. also in china and india there is alot of slavery. in some country you have to give your daughter to the "pimp" who rapes her atleast once a day. and this is all for a bill or something. there are slaves in columbia. you actually think the owners of the plantations make cocaine themselves? its slavery. and slavery will never come to an end.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
if you think slavery is abolished then your dumb. that only freed the black slaves. still now there are many mexicans (no offense) who come across the border in trucks and work to pay off their debt. slavery is still everywhere. i know i did a project on it for school.

it isn't slavery if you voluntarily come here and voluntarily work a job....

[yeat182]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
no i dont. i mean slaves. but is there a difference? they dont get paid. also in china and india there is alot of slavery. in some country you have to give your daughter to the "pimp" who rapes her atleast once a day. and this is all for a bill or something. there are slaves in columbia. you actually think the owners of the plantations make cocaine themselves? its slavery. and slavery will never come to an end.

first of all the mexicans are paid

secondly, they were talking in terms of the US, not the rest of the world...

[open mind]

people in prison alot of the time are forced to work for pennies an hour and while it's not quite slavery because you had to break the law( or at least have a strong case you did )there still is no choice involved in the work you do.because most of the people in prison are of minority descent alot of the minority think that they changed the name of slavery to incarceration.
anyway hiring teachers by their color and not their qualifications is wrong.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
if you think slavery is abolished then your dumb. that only freed the black slaves. still now there are many mexicans (no offense) who come across the border in trucks and work to pay off their debt. slavery is still everywhere. i know i did a project on it for school.

you are right. Even though there are laws against slavery in this country, it still goes on underneath our noses.

from www.iabolish.com:


"The Process of Enslavement
Slaves in the United States are typically trafficked in from foreign countries. (Some American-born slaves do exist, but these cases are not yet fully documented). Recruiters promise the amenities of the U.S. - education, employment, and freedom - to poor families overseas. Upon arrival, the recruiters announce an enormous fee (sometimes as much as $50,000) for travel expenses - and suddenly coerce duped victims into debt bondage. In other cases, slaves from other countries travel with their masters to the U.S.

Slavery in the U.S. varies from case to case. Slaves have been discovered as farm workers (in South Carolina's peach-picking industry, for instance), domestic maids, street peddlers, sweatshop workers, and prostitutes. Many victims speak no English and inherently distrust officials in uniform. As a result, few manage to communicate their plight to neighbors of police.

There is no "typical" slaveholder. Lawyers, diplomats, landlords, pharmacists, child welfare workers, and teachers have all been prosecuted for involuntary servitude. Age, region, and income level vary greatly as well. This fact makes discovering cases of slavery even more difficult, as there is no specific criteria for identifying slaveholders. The length of time the slaveholders keep their slaves ranges as well. Reports indicate that some individuals have been enslaved for a few months, while others were enslaved for as long as 20 years."

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
no i dont. i mean slaves. but is there a difference? .

what you discribed above isn't slavery.........

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by open mind
people in prison alot of the time are forced to work for pennies an hour and while it's not quite slavery because you had to break the law( or at least have a strong case you did )there still is no choice involved in the work you do.because most of the people in prison are of minority descent alot of the minority think that they changed the name of slavery to incarceration.
anyway hiring teachers by their color and not their qualifications is wrong.

people dont have choices in prison, you lose that when you comit a crime.......

as for working shouldn't we make them help pay for the beding and food.......seeing as how they FORCED us, by there actions, to lock them up?

[open mind]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
people dont have choices in prison, you lose that when you comit a crime.......

as for working shouldn't we make them help pay for the beding and food.......seeing as how they FORCED us, by there actions, to lock them up?

slaves got meals and housing to but they were still slaves.
yeah i know prison is punishment but having prisoners make license plates and not working on making their life better for when they get out is just a way to make sure that they will be back in prison quickly,once you get stuck in the system it's very hard to get out,so theres a revolving door of pretty much slave labor.
people can say who cares these people are criminals but i don't believe human life is so cheap.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by open mind
slaves got meals and housing to but they were still slaves.
yeah i know prison is punishment but having prisoners make license plates and not working on making their life better for when they get out is just a way to make sure that they will be back in prison quickly,once you get stuck in the system it's very hard to get out,so theres a revolving door of pretty much slave labor.
people can say who cares these people are criminals but i don't believe human life is so cheap.

slaves were also stolen from their homeland and brought here against there will, they weren't free citizens who broke the law and had to be punished, they aren't really comparable.

[open mind]

Originally posted by yeat182
slaves were also stolen from their homeland and brought here against there will, they weren't free citizens who broke the law and had to be punished, they aren't really comparable.
so slavery is okay when the enslaved broke the law then, i get it now.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by open mind
so slavery is okay when the enslaved broke the law then, i get it now.

it isn't slavery, its punishment...they still have their rights, they do their time and they get their freedom. not all prisoners are forced to do hard labor either. they aren't slaves.

[chubb9]

Right now in this country the worst thing you can be in a white heterosexual male. With all of the afferamitive action decisions (aka black people are better than white people) its starting to build up. I score a 1200 on the SATs and have a 3.4 GPA while Jamal scores a 900 on the SAT and has a 2.8 GPA and he gets into the college more times than i would. Black people or people of color or females will have more oportunity than white males strictly based on their color or sex. Because these days we're too afraid to offend someone. No one wants to get their feelings hurt. People are so willing to play the race card or the sex card and the government has taken away the right to choose the best person for the job.
In a county close by it is MANDATORY that 50% of the police force is female. This is not based on marrit. This is not based of skill. This is based on gender. But if you turn it around and say its mandatory for 50% of the police force to be males thats sexism.
This is where the liberal left is taking us ladies and gentalmen.

[kidinthecorner]

Originally posted by chubb9
Right now in this country the worst thing you can be in a white heterosexual male. With all of the afferamitive action decisions (aka black people are better than white people) its starting to build up. I score a 1200 on the SATs and have a 3.4 GPA while Jamal scores a 900 on the SAT and has a 2.8 GPA and he gets into the college more times than i would. Black people or people of color or females will have more oportunity than white males strictly based on their color or sex. Because these days we're too afraid to offend someone. No one wants to get their feelings hurt. People are so willing to play the race card or the sex card and the government has taken away the right to choose the best person for the job.
In a county close by it is MANDATORY that 50% of the police force is female. This is not based on marrit. This is not based of skill. This is based on gender. But if you turn it around and say its mandatory for 50% of the police force to be males thats sexism.
This is where the liberal left is taking us ladies and gentalmen.

That is a really dumb thing too. I am by no means sexist, but a woman is not structurally as strong as a man is. If I need someone to save my ass, I want the strongest person possible, not someone they stuck on that isn't quite up to par to me a quota.

[chubb9]

Anyone here about the reporter for the New York times? The reporter who lied and embelished his stories. Said he witnessed things he didnt. Was places he wasn't. Stole quotes from the Washington Post. On SEVERAL occasions. No college degree. How did he get his job? Well i forgot to mention this was a black man who was in his position strictly because he was black and they were required to have a certain amount of colored employees.
Here's an idea, hire someone that desirves the job.

[BustaNutz]

Originally posted by chubb9
Right now in this country the worst thing you can be in a white heterosexual male. With all of the afferamitive action decisions (aka black people are better than white people) its starting to build up. I score a 1200 on the SATs and have a 3.4 GPA while Jamal scores a 900 on the SAT and has a 2.8 GPA and he gets into the college more times than i would. Black people or people of color or females will have more oportunity than white males strictly based on their color or sex. Because these days we're too afraid to offend someone. No one wants to get their feelings hurt. People are so willing to play the race card or the sex card and the government has taken away the right to choose the best person for the job.
In a county close by it is MANDATORY that 50% of the police force is female. This is not based on marrit. This is not based of skill. This is based on gender. But if you turn it around and say its mandatory for 50% of the police force to be males thats sexism.
This is where the liberal left is taking us ladies and gentalmen.

Ok, you're a smart guy, but this isn't the "liberal left" this is "liberal extremists". I'm a liberal and I don't think we should go out of our way for anyone. First of all I hate feminism. It's archaic and serves no purpose at all any longer except for justifying sexism. That being said, women are not a minority, if anything they are the majority. So all of this equality bullshit needs to stop, because for every opposition women face I can point out one men face.

Now as for the race card, yes we need reforms in affirmative action, I'll be the first to say that. But it was honestly done with the best of intentions, it's just become an outdated concept at this point. But I think to say the Liberal left is doing this is unfair. The extremist liberals, yes they're doing some idiotic things, but so are the extremist conservatives. And also it's hard to lead this country in much of any direction as a liberal when the white house and capitol hill are CONTROLLED BY THE RIGHT!

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by open mind
slaves got meals and housing to but they were still slaves.
yeah i know prison is punishment but having prisoners make license plates and not working on making their life better for when they get out is just a way to make sure that they will be back in prison quickly,once you get stuck in the system it's very hard to get out,so theres a revolving door of pretty much slave labor.
people can say who cares these people are criminals but i don't believe human life is so cheap.


no human life is cheap....but people in prison chose there own paths, slaves didn't, thats the difference.........

......also there are other industries in prison then lincen plate making, here in kansas criminals are taught to build homes which gives them a trade which they can use on the out side to get jobs that they are actually qualified for.....this will probably give them more of a chance then any thing else at actually staying out of prison...........

[BuriedAlive]

justin_stacy did you not read what bossydacow wrote?

if you go to www.iabolish.com you can tell that slavery isnt abolished its going on in plenty of states.


from www.iabolish.com:


"The Process of Enslavement
Slaves in the United States are typically trafficked in from foreign countries. (Some American-born slaves do exist, but these cases are not yet fully documented). Recruiters promise the amenities of the U.S. - education, employment, and freedom - to poor families overseas. Upon arrival, the recruiters announce an enormous fee (sometimes as much as $50,000) for travel expenses - and suddenly coerce duped victims into debt bondage. In other cases, slaves from other countries travel with their masters to the U.S.

Slavery in the U.S. varies from case to case. Slaves have been discovered as farm workers (in South Carolina's peach-picking industry, for instance), domestic maids, street peddlers, sweatshop workers, and prostitutes. Many victims speak no English and inherently distrust officials in uniform. As a result, few manage to communicate their plight to neighbors of police.

There is no "typical" slaveholder. Lawyers, diplomats, landlords, pharmacists, child welfare workers, and teachers have all been prosecuted for involuntary servitude. Age, region, and income level vary greatly as well. This fact makes discovering cases of slavery even more difficult, as there is no specific criteria for identifying slaveholders. The length of time the slaveholders keep their slaves ranges as well. Reports indicate that some individuals have been enslaved for a few months, while others were enslaved for as long as 20 years."

[BuriedAlive]

also go to this page. all cases of slavery in the united states.

http://www.iabolish.com:/today/background/us.htm

[BuriedAlive]

here are some others for you.

http://www.iabolish.com:/news/press-coverage/slavery_coverage-North_America.htm

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
justin_stacy did you not read what bossydacow wrote?



that has nothing to do with convicted criminals being slaves...........thats more of an issue of indentured servatude equaling slavery..........

[BuriedAlive]

actually convicted criminals arent used as slaves. with every plate they make a day comes off their jail time. i think its fair.

[omegaX]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
I am not going to deny it, whites are cruel to blacks still to this day, but what I am complaining about is that the second a white man touches a black man, its a hate crime, but you never hear it the other way...you only hear the blacks being harrassed, imagine if a bunch of white parents complained that their students european history teacher was black and the school replaced him with a white man...all hell would brake lose, the parents would be labeled rednecks, the school Bigot High and the black teacher would be a marder. And the Jesse Hi-Jackson would sue the school.

I'm glad someone finally said this. Very good point. This double standard doesn't work out too well. The slavery thing is over, and they're nothing we can do about it. We didn't do it, and the people who were slaves aren't around anymore either. So who's to blame? Technically, the people of the past. Now, blacks can say whatever they want to whites without any backlash in the least. Reverse racisism indeed....

[omegaX]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
actually convicted criminals arent used as slaves. with every plate they make a day comes off their jail time. i think its fair.

Is that really true?

.....and how did you find out?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by omegaX
I'm glad someone finally said this. Very good point. This double standard doesn't work out too well. The slavery thing is over, and they're nothing we can do about it. We didn't do it, and the people who were slaves aren't around anymore either. So who's to blame? Technically, the people of the past. Now, blacks can say whatever they want to whites without any backlash in the least. Reverse racisism indeed....
I am surprised to see that so many people feel his way

[omegaX]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
I am surprised to see that so many people feel his way

And we're all gonna get our asses beaten in and shot up. But don't worry, it's okay because we were "hatin" on them.

And no that's not racist. Watch the news, that's almost every friggin story.

[BrandNewDream]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
I am surprised to see that so many people feel his way

add me to the list...reverse racism isn't cool at all...i don't like being called a "cracker" or "white boy"

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by BrandNewDream
add me to the list...reverse racism isn't cool at all...i don't like being called a "cracker" or "white boy"
Honestly, I dont get offended at all when called cracker, but I understand why people would....and whites are called cracker all the time. Yet ****** has been deemed such a horrible word, yet it holds the same malice as does cracker....yet do you ever see anyone up in arms over being called a cracker....how about a ******? If you drop the word ******, Jesse Jackson will end up taking every cent you are worth. I mean, it IS wrong to say something like that, but double standard really

[omegaX]

Originally posted by BrandNewDream
add me to the list...reverse racism isn't cool at all...i don't like being called a "cracker" or "white boy"

And the responce from a black person would be:

"Well, we didn't like being put into slavery for 150+ years!"

Everything always goes around and around in an argument, and I'm so sick of it. Slavery is over.

Damn, I watch tough crowd too much. You guys should too, they always have issues like this and at least one black guy. You should have seen the episode with topics like these and ALL 4 were black....Poor Collin.......Eaten alive......

[BuriedAlive]

omegax yes that is true. if they behave in prison for 1 day its 2 days off your jailtime. my teacher read that one in a newspaper and the one about the plates, i heard it on tv, something that had to do with san quiten (or whatever it is).

[omegaX]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Honestly, I dont get offended at all when called cracker, but I understand why people would....and whites are called cracker all the time. Yet ****** has been deemed such a horrible word, yet it holds the same malice as does cracker....yet do you ever see anyone up in arms over being called a cracker....how about a ******? If you drop the word ******, Jesse Jackson will end up taking every cent you are worth. I mean, it IS wrong to say something like that, but double standard really

BINGO!!!!!!:)

[omegaX]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
omegax yes that is true. if they behave in prison for 1 day its 2 days off your jailtime. my teacher read that one in a newspaper and the one about the plates, i heard it on tv, something that had to do with san quiten (or whatever it is).

Seems pretty fair actually....

[BuriedAlive]

thats why i didnt disagree with justin_stacy but yes slavery isnt over for everyone only blacks. and blacks arent really a minority so why are they still saying please help me. they are the one who love the "ghetto" yet they complain they want out. i think its retarded. i agree that if a black kid calls me a white cracker then i call him a ****** the whole thing changes. its kinda like he never said anything to me. its like i provoked him.

[omegaX]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
thats why i didnt disagree with justin_stacy but yes slavery isnt over for everyone only blacks. and blacks arent really a minority so why are they still saying please help me. they are the one who love the "ghetto" yet they complain they want out. i think its retarded. i agree that if a black kid calls me a white cracker then i call him a ****** the whole thing changes. its kinda like he never said anything to me. its like i provoked him.

They use the "ghetto" thing as a sence of pride, which i could see. It's a bad place to live, and you got out of it. But the "n" word is too overhyped. They use it more that we do (and we really dont). And the excuse they give?

"We didn't make the word! You lost your privilidge (sp?) to use it!"

[BuriedAlive]

yes they do. if you every turn on a rap song they say ***** after every word. but if a white guy says it its racist.

[omegaX]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
yes they do. if you every turn on a rap song they say ***** after every word. but if a white guy says it its racist.

Yes they do what? I'm agreeing with you!

[kidinthecorner]

Ok, next time I'm called a cracker I'm gonna make a big deal out of it to see how far I can get. Watch the news!

[BuriedAlive]

yes the do take living in the ghetto with a sense of pride.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
yes the do take living in the ghetto with a sense of pride.

i dont think they really do.......just the big rap stars that live in beverlyhills do, because they don;t have to live there every day of there life..............

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
i dont think they really do.......just the big rap stars that live in beverlyhills do, because they don;t have to live there every day of there life..............
they do that so they seem "gangsta", so they can relate with the kids who do live in the ghetto...honestly, ice cube is no longer "straight outta compton", he lives in a fuckin mansion, same with everyone of those rappers...but they think they are hard when the say they are from the hood, kinda like how GC say they are poor folks, claiming rich people wouldnt make it one day on the streets or whatever...fucking hypocrites, its hillarious....

And to kid, work that craker for all its worth, find a white Jesse Jackson and sue every black person in the country for racism against whites, then sue the NBA for not equally representing the white population, the sue Michigan U for having affirmative action.....and sue calander makers for not having a "white history month"....

[omegaX]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05


And to kid, work that craker for all its worth, find a white Jesse Jackson and sue every black person in the country for racism against whites, then sue the NBA for not equally representing the white population, the sue Michigan U for having affirmative action.....and sue calander makers for not having a "white history month"....

Hmmmmmm......

I smell a new business!!!

I want a white history month!

And the whole sport of basketball is racist anyway.

[Ronin]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Yet ****** has been deemed such a horrible word, yet it holds the same malice as does cracker....yet do you ever see anyone up in arms over being called a cracker....how about a ******? If you drop the word ******, Jesse Jackson will end up taking every cent you are worth. I mean, it IS wrong to say something like that, but double standard really

Cracker doesn't have the same history or social connotations. Honestly, I don't even know where "cracker" came from.

Would you calls a Jew a "kike"? A Latino person a "spic"?

"Cracker" isn't the same, it doesn't have the same history behind it.

[omegaX]

Originally posted by Ronin

Would you calls a Jew a "kike"? A Latino person a "spic"?



didn't know those words had that much history behind it either.

[Ronin]

Originally posted by omegaX
didn't know those words had that much history behind it either.

http://kpearson.faculty.tcnj.edu/Dictionary/kike.htm

http://www.terraplanepub.com/century13.htm

[BrandNewDream]

Originally posted by Ronin
Cracker doesn't have the same history or social connotations. Honestly, I don't even know where "cracker" came from.
"Cracker" isn't the same, it doesn't have the same history behind it.

From what I've heard, slaves used to call their masters the "cracker" because of the whips masters usually had.

[Ronin]

Originally posted by BrandNewDream
From what I've heard, slaves used to call their masters the "cracker" because of the whips masters usually had.

Makes sense

[omegaX]

Originally posted by Ronin
http://kpearson.faculty.tcnj.edu/Dictionary/kike.htm

http://www.terraplanepub.com/century13.htm

Hmmmm interesting. Thanks.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Ronin
Makes sense
personally i thought it meant "white as a saltine", but whip cracker makes more sense...and that holds history i suppose, as well as malice, it says that we are all whip cracking white boys...just as offensive as ******

[omegaX]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
personally i thought it meant "white as a saltine", but whip cracker makes more sense...and that holds history i suppose, as well as malice, it says that we are all whip cracking white boys...just as offensive as ******

And if what was above is true, then cracker has the same amount of history behind it.

[bossydacow]

Offically from the Racial Slur Database:

Cracker:

This term is said to have originated in England before the 16th century, refering to the lower class whose diet primarily consisted of "crackers", actually biscuits. Many of their descendants were sent to the Georgia penal colony, hence "Georgia crackers." White people had invented this name for themselves before the first slave was brought to America, although it is still in use today by mostly older blacks referring to whites. Was probably redefined in the days of American slavery by the slavemaster's "Crack" of the whip.

[towhatend]

hmm interesting

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
Offically from the Racial Slur Database:

Cracker:

This term is said to have originated in England before the 16th century, refering to the lower class whose diet primarily consisted of "crackers", actually biscuits. Many of their descendants were sent to the Georgia penal colony, hence "Georgia crackers." White people had invented this name for themselves before the first slave was brought to America, although it is still in use today by mostly older blacks referring to whites. Was probably redefined in the days of American slavery by the slavemaster's "Crack" of the whip.
still carries just as much malice as ******

[Ronin]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
still carries just as much malice as ******

It still doesn't carry quite the same weight in my opinion, whites were never thought to be inferior people and sold into slave labour.

And I would imagine that a very small percentage of caucasian people know the origins of that word, whereas the majority of people know the history behind the word "******"

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by Ronin
It still doesn't carry quite the same weight in my opinion, whites were never thought to be inferior people and sold into slave labour.

And I would imagine that a very small percentage of caucasian people know the origins of that word, whereas the majority of people know the history behind the word "******"

I don't think "cracker" really carries the same weight either. Actually, racial slurs in general don't really phase me. As for the "******" debate, black people don't call each other "******s", they call eachother, "niggaz" or "niggahs". Different spelling, different meaning. And a lot of black people, if they are close to a non-black person, will accept a non-black friend reffering to them as "*****" without getting upset. Ja Rule was cool with J.Lo saying "*****" in one of her songs because he felt close to her. However, other people in the black community were upset because they felt she wasn't close enough to use the term in such a public matter. Overall, Its a term of enderment, and brotherhood, solidarity. They have taken a term of malice, tweaked it, and made it their own.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
I don't think "cracker" really carries the same weight either. Actually, racial slurs in general don't really phase me. As for the "******" debate, black people don't call each other "******s", they call eachother, "niggaz" or "niggahs". Different spelling, different meaning. And a lot of black people, if they are close to a non-black person, will accept a non-black friend reffering to them as "*****" without getting upset. Ja Rule was cool with J.Lo saying "*****" in one of her songs because he felt close to her. However, other people in the black community were upset because they felt she wasn't close enough to use the term in such a public matter. Overall, Its a term of enderment, and brotherhood, solidarity. They have taken a term of malice, tweaked it, and made it their own.
BULLSHIT! Just because they spell it differently, doesnt change the meaning...its a load of shit. ******, *****, same thing, it holds malice, its a bad word, no body should use it, black or white, otherwise you are saying that blacks are more deserving than whites, which they are not becase we supposedly live in an "equal" society. Cracker holds just as much malice as ****** does too, maybe ****** is an older word, but that doesnt mean shit, when a someone says "I am gonna put a cap in your ass you pansy mother fucking cracker" thats malice, I dont care if they came up with the word yesterday, its still hateful...

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
BULLSHIT! Just because they spell it differently, doesnt change the meaning...its a load of shit.

and you know this how?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
and you know this how? and how do you know the reverse? Mtv?

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
and how do you know the reverse? Mtv?

try my black aunts, uncles, grandmother and cousins...

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
try my black aunts, uncles, grandmother and cousins... So if its a loving and endearing term, why is it segrigated to a select few?

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
So if its a loving and endearing term, why is it segrigated to a select few?

do you refer to people you arn't close to in loving ways?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
do you refer to people you arn't close to in loving ways?
according to you we should love everyone...

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
according to you we should love everyone...



and we should. Everyone would be a lot happier that way.

However, not everybody believes that. I do love everyone, but I don't feel a solidarity with everyone. And it is in loving solidarity that people will use the term "*****" or any other term.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
and we should. Everyone would be a lot happier that way.

However, not everybody believes that. I do love everyone, but I don't feel a solidarity with everyone. And it is in loving solidarity that people will use the term "*****" or any other term.
So, why cant a white person use the word ******?

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
So, why cant a white person use the word ******?

Because ****** is offensive. However, if you have black friends, who you are close to, in most cases, they won't care if you say *****. And, in most cases, even if you arn't friends with black people, and you walk up and say "hey my *****"(not ******), they would probably just laugh at you, rather than get hostile.

I'm going out on a limb and saying you don't know many black people...(which, is actually ok because outside of my mom's side of the family, I don't know any either), because everything you've posted in this thread is written like it.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
Because ****** is offensive. However, if you have black friends, who you are close to, in most cases, they won't care if you say *****. And, in most cases, even if you arn't friends with black people, and you walk up and say "hey my *****"(not ******), they would probably just laugh at you, rather than get hostile.

I'm going out on a limb and saying you don't know many black people...(which, is actually ok because outside of my mom's side of the family, I don't know any either), because everything you've posted in this thread is written like it.
****** and ***** are the same word...its just how you speak, like some people say "I went running" and some say "I went runnin'" It means the same thing, just because you enunciate a word doesnt mean it carries any different meaning...and I have witnessed occasions where a white guy has dropped ****** (and i believe he did pronounce it *****) and nearly got his ass beat, i understand if you dont want the word used period, because I dont want it used at all, but if you are going to use it, malice or a term of "brotherhood", make it open to everyone for use, its not exclusive, we live in a time of equality (dont try to bend that), why can some people be equal but not others? and i do know a fair amount of black people, not they ghetto gangsta type, but the middle class, military parents type. I grew up on military bases for most of my life, the military is full of blacks, no matter if you live in Alaska or Georgia...so I grew up around plenty of blacks and some of my closest friends were black...just to fill you in

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
****** and ***** are the same word...its just how you speak, like some people say "I went running" and some say "I went runnin'" It means the same thing, just because you enunciate a word doesnt mean it carries any different meaning...and I have witnessed occasions where a white guy has dropped ****** (and i believe he did pronounce it *****) and nearly got his ass beat, i understand if you dont want the word used period, because I dont want it used at all, but if you are going to use it, malice or a term of "brotherhood", make it open to everyone for use, its not exclusive, we live in a time of equality (dont try to bend that), why can some people be equal but not others? and i do know a fair amount of black people, not they ghetto gangsta type, but the middle class, military parents type. I grew up on military bases for most of my life, the military is full of blacks, no matter if you live in Alaska or Georgia...so I grew up around plenty of blacks and some of my closest friends were black...just to fill you in

have you ever read rap lyrics? Its SPELLED n-i-g-g-a. And I said in "most cases" black people won't get hostile. And to be perfectly honest, based on the things you have assumed in this forum, I find it hard to believe that you had close black friends. and if you did, you don't seem to have taken anything out of it. However, I don't know you, and its not fair of me to disregard the statement, so I'll take your word for it.

and, It doesn't matter what "type" of black people you knew --they'd still have an understanding of urban culture. My mom's family is well-off, they live in an upper class neighborhood ect, they don't use the term "*****" because they think its trashy, but they still have an understanding of urban culture. Enough of it to teach me whats okay and what not okay to say.

and now I have to go.

[BustaNutz]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
****** and ***** are the same word...its just how you speak, like some people say "I went running" and some say "I went runnin'" It means the same thing, just because you enunciate a word doesnt mean it carries any different meaning...and I have witnessed occasions where a white guy has dropped ****** (and i believe he did pronounce it *****) and nearly got his ass beat, i understand if you dont want the word used period, because I dont want it used at all, but if you are going to use it, malice or a term of "brotherhood", make it open to everyone for use, its not exclusive, we live in a time of equality (dont try to bend that), why can some people be equal but not others? and i do know a fair amount of black people, not they ghetto gangsta type, but the middle class, military parents type. I grew up on military bases for most of my life, the military is full of blacks, no matter if you live in Alaska or Georgia...so I grew up around plenty of blacks and some of my closest friends were black...just to fill you in

Ok Mike, it is open to everyone. I'll give you a few pieces. First of all I play football and about half of my team is black. I have several very good friends and they refer to me occasionally as "cracka" and I refer to them accasionally as "*****". It's really just a term of endearment. If you know people well enough you can call them almost anything. For instance the word kid. If you don't know someone and you say "hey kid" it's not a very friendly way of getting someone's attention. But if you get to know that person, and then you call them kid, it has a much different connotation to it. It's all by familiarity.

I will say this though, if you say "******" and it's said with mal-intent, it is probably the most derrogatory statements out there. It's almost unrivaled, cracker is no where near as bad. You don't make fun of jew's about the holocaust do you? No. So you don't say things to black people that still exist from slavery. And don't give me that, "well they weren't slaves, their ancestors were bullshit". It doens't fly here. You wouldn't make fun of a Jewish kid and say something about how they deserve to be in an oven. Nor would you call a black man a "******" it's the same disrespect. White people don't have anything near that bad that is even close to gravity of being called a name like that...

Sorry if this doesn't make sense completely. My kitchen is being infested by cockroaches right now and my parents are gone, so I'm kind of running back and forth... Guess I should just get off altogether...

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by BustaNutz
Ok Mike, it is open to everyone. I'll give you a few pieces. First of all I play football and about half of my team is black. I have several very good friends and they refer to me occasionally as "cracka" and I refer to them accasionally as "*****". It's really just a term of endearment. If you know people well enough you can call them almost anything. For instance the word kid. If you don't know someone and you say "hey kid" it's not a very friendly way of getting someone's attention. But if you get to know that person, and then you call them kid, it has a much different connotation to it. It's all by familiarity.

I will say this though, if you say "******" and it's said with mal-intent, it is probably the most derrogatory statements out there. It's almost unrivaled, cracker is no where near as bad. You don't make fun of jew's about the holocaust do you? No. So you don't say things to black people that still exist from slavery. And don't give me that, "well they weren't slaves, their ancestors were bullshit". It doens't fly here. You wouldn't make fun of a Jewish kid and say something about how they deserve to be in an oven. Nor would you call a black man a "******" it's the same disrespect. White people don't have anything near that bad that is even close to gravity of being called a name like that...

Sorry if this doesn't make sense completely. My kitchen is being infested by cockroaches right now and my parents are gone, so I'm kind of running back and forth... Guess I should just get off altogether...
Look, I dont want to say ****** or ***** or whatever, and I honestly dont mind being called cracker or cracka or whatever. Its the double standard that pisses me off, if you dont want slavery to keep coming up, stop using ****** or *****, find a new word, there are plenty, you dont need to use that word to say something as simple as "friend"

[yeat182]

Originally posted by bossydacow
Because ****** is offensive. However, if you have black friends, who you are close to, in most cases, they won't care if you say *****. And, in most cases, even if you arn't friends with black people, and you walk up and say "hey my *****"(not ******), they would probably just laugh at you, rather than get hostile.

I'm going out on a limb and saying you don't know many black people...(which, is actually ok because outside of my mom's side of the family, I don't know any either), because everything you've posted in this thread is written like it.

so....as long as i say it with an "a" rather than an "er" i should be ok?

[bossydacow]

it is more of what you mean behind it than how you say it, however, when used as a term of endearment, it is more often pronounced and spelled *****, instead of ******.

[omegaX]

Originally posted by bossydacow
I don't think "cracker" really carries the same weight either. Actually, racial slurs in general don't really phase me. As for the "******" debate, black people don't call each other "******s", they call eachother, "niggaz" or "niggahs". Different spelling, different meaning. And a lot of black people, if they are close to a non-black person, will accept a non-black friend reffering to them as "*****" without getting upset. Ja Rule was cool with J.Lo saying "*****" in one of her songs because he felt close to her. However, other people in the black community were upset because they felt she wasn't close enough to use the term in such a public matter. Overall, Its a term of enderment, and brotherhood, solidarity. They have taken a term of malice, tweaked it, and made it their own.

Yeah, it doesn't carry the same weight, but it should. It's just as offensive.

[omegaX]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
****** and ***** are the same word...its just how you speak, like some people say "I went running" and some say "I went runnin'" It means the same thing, just because you enunciate a word doesnt mean it carries any different meaning...and I have witnessed occasions where a white guy has dropped ****** (and i believe he did pronounce it *****) and nearly got his ass beat, i understand if you dont want the word used period, because I dont want it used at all, but if you are going to use it, malice or a term of "brotherhood", make it open to everyone for use, its not exclusive, we live in a time of equality (dont try to bend that), why can some people be equal but not others? and i do know a fair amount of black people, not they ghetto gangsta type, but the middle class, military parents type. I grew up on military bases for most of my life, the military is full of blacks, no matter if you live in Alaska or Georgia...so I grew up around plenty of blacks and some of my closest friends were black...just to fill you in

Very well said... Applause for uuuuuuuu.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by bossydacow
it is more of what you mean behind it than how you say it, however, when used as a term of endearment, it is more often pronounced and spelled *****, instead of ******.

i thought that was simply bad english...like PAAK YOUR CAAA IN HAAVAAD YAAAD

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by yeat182
i thought that was simply bad english...like PAAK YOUR CAAA IN HAAVAAD YAAAD
No no no man! See when you say caaa in boston, its not like saying car here, it means a completely different thing, I mean they probably drive on the left side of the road in boston

[yeat182]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
No no no man! See when you say caaa in boston, its not like saying car here, it means a completely different thing, I mean they probably drive on the left side of the road in boston

haha, sometimes....especialy taxis.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by yeat182
haha, sometimes....especialy taxis.
I heard they still use buggies over there

[Matthew]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
so I grew up around plenty of blacks and some of my closest friends were black...just to fill you in

yeah. and some of my best friends are jewish! see! im not racist! i swear! *click* (www.blackpeopleloveus.com)

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
if you dont want slavery to keep coming up, "

it was a grave injustice comitted by the american people for over a hundred years. its not just going to go away, and you need to learn to not get so defensive when the issue comes up. it is part of african american culture no matter how many generations pass.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
I heard they still use buggies over there

no, but they use the old WWII amphibious landing craft to give tours of the city, the famous "Duck Tours".

and my town uses horse drawn carriages for the tourists, that is a whole 'nother traffic issue. you can get a ticket if you honk your horn in the presense of a horse. not only that, but they have a top speed of like 10 miles an hour so, god help you if you get stuck behind one of them.

another pet peeve that i just though of are bicylists/joggers using up the road when there is traffic...you aren't a car! no matter how much you may have the right to be there, you aren't going to win in a fight with a car, so for your own fucking saftey, and so that i don't have to go to jail because you were an asshole and had to ride in the middle of the street, usually going the wrong way and got hit by my car, stay on the sidewalk or get out of the fucking way!

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Matthew
yeah. and some of my best friends are jewish! see! im not racist! i swear! *click* (www.blackpeopleloveus.com)



it was a grave injustice comitted by the american people for over a hundred years. its not just going to go away, and you need to learn to not get so defensive when the issue comes up. it is part of african american culture no matter how many generations pass.

actually it was commited by the british people and the french, everyone likes to overlook that fact, although the americans were the last to abolish it.

[Matthew]

Originally posted by yeat182
actually it was commited by the british people and the french, everyone likes to overlook that fact, although the americans were the last to abolish it.

but this thread is about a social conflcit in america.... obviously i cant speak for the other nations. i dont know mcuh about the impact of the phrase "*****" in french or british society.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Matthew
but this thread is about a social conflcit in america.... obviously i cant speak for the other nations. i dont know mcuh about the impact of the phrase "*****" in french or british society.

haha good point. i think i heard it in the movie "Snatch", it sounds pretty funny with a british accent. i wonder if its a common term in other countries?

[BrandNewDream]

just wondering, has anyone read the book "******"? It's a history of the word and it discusses everything being discussed here...I haven't gotten to it yet, but I know I will eventually.

[yeat182]

i honestly don't care enough to spend money and invest several hours of my life to that....

[Matthew]

Originally posted by yeat182
i honestly don't care enough to spend money and invest several hours of my life to that....

amen.

[blackandblueNFG]

yeah... minorites get extra points when applying to the univ. of michigan.

[aframedregret]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Sorry I have no link, but I heard it on O'Reilly and thought that it was very interesting….

A white teacher, who was completely qualified, was assigned an African history class, some teachers of black students bitched about having a white teacher teach this class, and the school backed down and assigned a black teacher, who was also qualified, so not to take anything from him. I consider that racism, of course most of the media doesn’t. Even the guy who was talking with O'Reilly about this said that basically its okay for blacks to do something like this because they have been hurt in the past, now this guy was white, and married to a black woman and obviously favored reparations. I think this is super racist, but since its reverse of what people are used to hearing, its okay, because blacks have been oppressed for so long that two wrongs DO make a right in their mind, to me this is undoubtedly a major case of racism, what do you think?


I agree 100%, its like to many there is only one way of racism, White to Black and its rediculous, The man shouldve kept that job but of course who is going to speak out? If you do and you're white then you yourself will be labeled as a Racist, its like the Salem Witch Trails all over again, You get pointed as a racist, no matter what you do or say thats what people will think cause they are too affraid to say anything other wise. In closing I would like to quote a great song that can explain this situation better..."I'm sorry For something I didn't do Lynched somebody
But I don't know whoYou blame me for slaveryA hundred years before I was born, GUILTY OF BEING WHITE
I'm a convict
Of a racist crime
I've only served
19 years of my time
GUILTY OF BEING WHITE"~Minor Threat

Ian Mackay got alot of crap from people after writing this song and was one of the first to really speak out to the public about Black to White racism, if you read "Early Hardcore/Punk Bands" (it is found under another title but I really am not sure the name) there is a huge section on it and with him talking about it.

[Dillm21]

I read about this on another board, and learned some very interesting facts about America and slavery. The most intersting thing I found out was about the movie Amistad, which I thought was a good movie until I learned the awful truth about it. Ultra liberal Steven Speilberg thought a good ending to the movie would be are with Cinque (to those of you who dont know, the movie is about a slave ship of Africans landing in America, and them fighting for their freedom) going back to Africa. But what they dont show is that upon returning home, he takes one of the most respectable jobs in Africa, he becomes a Slave Trader!

My point of this story is to show that slavery is deeply rooted in many cultures and America was the first country to try and get rid of it. Anyone of any race could teach a class about the history of slavery, and they better teach about all slavery, and not just whites vs. blacks.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Dillm21
I read about this on another board, and learned some very interesting facts about America and slavery. The most intersting thing I found out was about the movie Amistad, which I thought was a good movie until I learned the awful truth about it. Ultra liberal Steven Speilberg thought a good ending to the movie would be are with Cinque (to those of you who dont know, the movie is about a slave ship of Africans landing in America, and them fighting for their freedom) going back to Africa. But what they dont show is that upon returning home, he takes one of the most respectable jobs in Africa, he becomes a Slave Trader!

My point of this story is to show that slavery is deeply rooted in many cultures and America was the first country to try and get rid of it. Anyone of any race could teach a class about the history of slavery, and they better teach about all slavery, and not just whites vs. blacks.

america was one of the last countries to get rid of it...not the first.

[SonnyPunk]

When I was in High School there were alot of blacks and Hispanics who came over from New York city to attend school. So white kids were the minority.
One day in gym we were playing basketball...the black guys kept taunting me by calling me "white boy"..."cracker"...they were even trying to speak like a white guy (anotherwords they used proper english.)...they were really pissing me off. I didnt find it funny at all...So eventually I hit a shot over one of the black kids head and they all shut up. So I said "You want me to autograph that ball for you Will? You can show all your friends on the welfare line!"
Immediately after a fight ensued and I was no match for them...they called me a white racist motherfucker and all hated me. None of my white friends would help me because they didnt wanna look racist themselves. Even some of the spanish friends I had were pissed at me.
I am not racist...I dont hate someone because of their skin color. I hate people who think and talk like those racist fuckers. I know what I said wasn't nice but I thought I had every right to say one comment to them after the barrage of racial slurs they spewed at me. Was I wrong people?

[yeat182]

Originally posted by SonnyPunk
When I was in High School there were alot of blacks and Hispanics who came over from New York city to attend school. So white kids were the minority.
One day in gym we were playing basketball...the black guys kept taunting me by calling me "white boy"..."cracker"...they were even trying to speak like a white guy (anotherwords they used proper english.)...they were really pissing me off. I didnt find it funny at all...So eventually I hit a shot over one of the black kids head and they all shut up. So I said "You want me to autograph that ball for you Will? You can show all your friends on the welfare line!"
Immediately after a fight ensued and I was no match for them...they called me a white racist motherfucker and all hated me. None of my white friends would help me because they didnt wanna look racist themselves. Even some of the spanish friends I had were pissed at me.
I am not racist...I dont hate someone because of their skin color. I hate people who think and talk like those racist fuckers. I know what I said wasn't nice but I thought I had every right to say one comment to them after the barrage of racial slurs they spewed at me. Was I wrong people?

thats lame man, they can dish it out but can't take it...you should have sued the school for a hate crime or some PC bullshit like that.

that also reminds me of that kid that got kicked off the road rules this year, that black guy gave him shit and kept pushing and pushing him until the kid snapped and then they threw the white kid off...so lame. the black kid instigate the whole thing and created the negative environment, nobody can take shit from anyone constantly without eventually snapping, everyone has a breaking point.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by yeat182
thats lame man, they can dish it out but can't take it...you should have sued the school for a hate crime or some PC bullshit like that.

that also reminds me of that kid that got kicked off the road rules this year, that black guy gave him shit and kept pushing and pushing him until the kid snapped and then they threw the white kid off...so lame. the black kid instigate the whole thing and created the negative environment, nobody can take shit from anyone constantly without eventually snapping, everyone has a breaking point.

that fat black guy Donnell is annoying as hell...but so was Abram. So I don't care who gets voted off. And violence is never the answer. Have a little self control. Be the better man/woman.

[yeat182]

Originally posted by bossydacow
that fat black guy Donnell is annoying as hell...but so was Abram. So I don't care who gets voted off. And violence is never the answer. Have a little self control. Be the better man/woman.

i agree that violence isn't the answer, but you can't expect to give a guy shit every single day and expect him to not snap eventually. you can't going around saying whatever you want and expect people not to react to it. i think they both should have gotten kicked off.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by yeat182
i think they both should have gotten kicked off.

oh, I agree.

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by SonnyPunk
When I was in High School there were alot of blacks and Hispanics who came over from New York city to attend school. So white kids were the minority.
One day in gym we were playing basketball...the black guys kept taunting me by calling me "white boy"..."cracker"...they were even trying to speak like a white guy (anotherwords they used proper english.)...they were really pissing me off. I didnt find it funny at all...So eventually I hit a shot over one of the black kids head and they all shut up. So I said "You want me to autograph that ball for you Will? You can show all your friends on the welfare line!"
Immediately after a fight ensued and I was no match for them...they called me a white racist motherfucker and all hated me. None of my white friends would help me because they didnt wanna look racist themselves. Even some of the spanish friends I had were pissed at me.
I am not racist...I dont hate someone because of their skin color. I hate people who think and talk like those racist fuckers. I know what I said wasn't nice but I thought I had every right to say one comment to them after the barrage of racial slurs they spewed at me. Was I wrong people?

You really shouldn't stoop to the level of anyone(black, white, whatever) throwing racial slurs around.

[SonnyPunk]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
You really shouldn't stoop to the level of anyone(black, white, whatever) throwing racial slurs around.

Well what I said didnt necessarily have to do with race...it was about him being poor...but most people might read deeper into it like he did. Either way I shouldn't have to take that shit.

[chubb9]

i totally agree with you Sonny. I can't tell you how many times i see this. Minorities have to right to spew their mouths off about race and no one will say anything. But the second a white person replies and is someone "controversial" he's a bigot or a racist. Why the double standard?

If a black guy is taunting me with "white boy" or "cracker" and i counter with "******," whats the problem? Go ahead and call me racist all you want, but the door should swing both ways.

I don't consider myself racist. I have black friends, hispanic friends, indian friends, whoever. But the fact is, minorities have more civil liberties than white people.

If a bunch a black people beat up a white kid its in self defence. If a bunch of white beat up a black, its a hate crime. People are too caught up in not trying to hurt peoples feelings and being politically correct that they've lost site on reality and fail to see the double standard society presents.

Why? The door swings both ways. What's next, are minorities going to be able to get in to college easiers or something? Oh wait...

[superheroine]

Originally posted by chubb9
i totally agree with you Sonny. I can't tell you how many times i see this. Minorities have to right to spew their mouths off about race and no one will say anything. But the second a white person replies and is someone "controversial" he's a bigot or a racist. Why the double standard?

If a black guy is taunting me with "white boy" or "cracker" and i counter with "******," whats the problem? Go ahead and call me racist all you want, but the door should swing both ways.

I don't consider myself racist. I have black friends, hispanic friends, indian friends, whoever. But the fact is, minorities have more civil liberties than white people.

If a bunch a black people beat up a white kid its in self defence. If a bunch of white beat up a black, its a hate crime. People are too caught up in not trying to hurt peoples feelings and being politically correct that they've lost site on reality and fail to see the double standard society presents.

Why? The door swings both ways. What's next, are minorities going to be able to get in to college easiers or something? Oh wait...

I won't even say the "n-word" because I find it so offensive. You don't understand, that word is so loaded from over the years. I don't care what race you are, I feel no one should impose that word upon anyone.

I think I may have to stay away from the political forum, I find myself getting too depressed by many kids who are uneducated and ignorant.

I'm just curious as to how many kids who post here live in an urban city such as LA, Chicago, NYC, etc.?

[BrandNewDream]

Originally posted by superheroine
I won't even say the "n-word" because I find it so offensive. You don't understand, that word is so loaded from over the years. I don't care what race you are, I feel no one should impose that word upon anyone.

I think I may have to stay away from the political forum, I find myself getting too depressed by many kids who are uneducated and ignorant.

I'm just curious as to how many kids who post here live in an urban city such as LA, Chicago, NYC, etc.?

I'm in Jersey, about a 15 minute car ride from NYC...couldn't be more than 5-10 miles away.

[yeat182]

i used to live in Boston when i went to school at Northeastern, but now i live like 30 minutes north in the suburbs.

[chubb9]

that word is so loaded from over the years

Actually it's getting pretty watered down.

I don't care what race you are, I feel no one should impose that word upon anyone.

I agree. But the fact is, blacks have turned the meaning of the word completely around. Listen to pretty much ANY rap CD. Now it has almost a positive conotation to it. That is, unless you're white, then your a racist.

I think I may have to stay away from the political forum, I find myself getting too depressed by many kids who are uneducated and ignorant.

Oh boo hoo, hiss hiss. Are you kidding? This is a political forum on a punk website, get over it. If your getting depressed over someones views on here, i sugest never leaving the safety of your house. There is the real world out there, you might get your feelings hurt. :( Give me a break.

And, are you even black? J/w...

[superheroine]

Originally posted by chubb9
Oh boo hoo, hiss hiss. Are you kidding? This is a political forum on a punk website, get over it. If your getting depressed over someones views on here, i sugest never leaving the safety of your house. There is the real world out there, you might get your feelings hurt. :( Give me a break.

And, are you even black? J/w...

No, I'm not black.

I think I just make take your suggestion and stay inside.

"Depressed" may have been a wrong usage of words on my part, more like disturbed by how many uneducated viewpoints many of my peers have taken. I'm a really open-minded person but there's a big difference between having an opinion based on facts and an opinion based on bullshit. If I can, I like to disassociate myself from the bullshit opinions.

Secondly, are you implying that it should be expected to find uneducated and ignorant viewpoints on a "punk website?"

[SonnyPunk]

Black people overuse the word "*****"...its odd how they take something so offensive and use it on themselves...but if the word uttered out of a white kids face they would ge berzerk.
I live in bergen county, New Jersey...15 minutes from New York city...I grew up with a wide mix of race...so Im not some white kid from a white town who knows nothing.
To be honest...the funny thing is I bet you I have been a target of racism more times than most black people in suburban areas. Most of them that complain of racism have probably only been called a ****** once or twice in their lives at most. I never see or hear about white people calling blacks ******s anymore, times have changed. We try to be sensitive to their history and respect them (At least I do)...yet I cant even imagine how many times I have been put down for the color of my skin.

[chubb9]

Secondly, are you implying that it should be expected to find uneducated and ignorant viewpoints on a "punk website?"

When it has to deal with politics yea, maybe. I'm not saying that everyone's is. I've found several people that post here often that are very inteligent. I am implying, however, that if you are going for some deep political debate with everyone focusing on being politicly correct, here's probably not the place. People (most) probably don't come here to argue politics and many probably don't follow as close as others so you shouldn't expect the most educated responses.

And you speak of these "uneducated" and "ignorant" posts but in all reality they are nothing short of a disagreence with your point.
Honestly, i think you have good things to say and i respect your opinion, but its not "ignorant" just because they don't agree with you.

[superheroine]

Originally posted by chubb9

And you speak of these "uneducated" and "ignorant" posts but in all reality they are nothing short of a disagreence with your point.
Honestly, i think you have good things to say and i respect your opinion, but its not "ignorant" just because they don't agree with you.

I totally agree - like I said, I'm very open-minded and respect others opinions, even if they don't agree with mine. To explain myself, there were a few posts (none in this thread I believe though) that I read in a few other threads that were very disheartening and displayed this so called "ignorance." I could point one or two out if you like and I'd think you'd most likely agree with me.