11 Year Old Assaulted in Texas

[yayitsjoe]

i didn't want to make the title too graphic. here's the article though: http://www.examiner.com/humanist-in-national/texas-gang-rape-community-blames-11-year-old-victim

thoughts?

[AP_Punk]

ugh. horrible in so many ways.

[yayitsjoe]

ugh. horrible in so many ways.

yeah, i agree completely. i don't frequent the politics forum often, but i figured that this was significant enough to belong here.

[zion the lion]

It's about goddamn time someone talked about this on here. I think people need to be told the graphic details, this needs to be on the news all day everyday, it needs to be beaten into everyone's head so that they'll never be able to go back into denial about the horror of this kind of thing. I see people joke about rape on here all the time, when some girl pisses them off they say "I hope she gets raped", to me rape is worse than murder and it happens way too often. Honestly, the rape statistics in this country are embarrassing, what's worse is that we all just kind of accept it.

I was watching some people talk about this on the news and some woman called in and tried to blame the girl's parents, as if it was their fault their child got gang raped, then she tried to say the girl was acting in a way that was kind of asking for it...what I dont understand is how anyone is comfortable even saying that shit out loud.

[sjb2k1]

Carl Lee'm

sickening

[Spartan789013]

I have officially began hating humanity again.

Is this so blatantly obvious that its a GANG RAPE?! Are people that dumb?

Christ...

[brndnschltfld]

It's about goddamn time someone talked about this on here. I think people need to be told the graphic details, this needs to be on the news all day everyday, it needs to be beaten into everyone's head so that they'll never be able to go back into denial about the horror of this kind of thing. I see people joke about rape on here all the time, when some girl pisses them off they say "I hope she gets raped", to me rape is worse than murder and it happens way too often. Honestly, the rape statistics in this country are embarrassing, what's worse is that we all just kind of accept it.

I was watching some people talk about this on the news and some woman called in and tried to blame the girl's parents, as if it was their fault their child got gang raped, then she tried to say the girl was acting in a way that was kind of asking for it...what I dont understand is how anyone is comfortable even saying that shit out loud.

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

[Spartan789013]

It's about goddamn time someone talked about this on here. I think people need to be told the graphic details, this needs to be on the news all day everyday, it needs to be beaten into everyone's head so that they'll never be able to go back into denial about the horror of this kind of thing. I see people joke about rape on here all the time, when some girl pisses them off they say "I hope she gets raped", to me rape is worse than murder and it happens way too often. Honestly, the rape statistics in this country are embarrassing, what's worse is that we all just kind of accept it.

I was watching some people talk about this on the news and some woman called in and tried to blame the girl's parents, as if it was their fault their child got gang raped, then she tried to say the girl was acting in a way that was kind of asking for it...what I dont understand is how anyone is comfortable even saying that shit out loud.

For once, I don't think its stupid to say "I blame video games for this." I personally know two people who were raped and it fucking disgusts me that people talk out loud like that. I've caught myself saying it and I immediately take it back, because its a serious issue.

[*banana*]

If an 11-year-old is gang raped, you don't refer to it as "having sex." You don't try to place the blame on her by talking about the fact that she wears make-up and dresses in a grown-up way. Nor do you kick up a fuss about how the lives of the perpetrators will be ruined.

No-one 'asks' to be raped. Why can't people see that?

[EchoPark]

You can't really hold these young black men accountable for perpetrating this atrocity. Their ancestors were slaves and all.

[PirateSkater182]

Wow. Ashamed to be from the same state.

[more heart]

Carl Lee'm

sickening
Great movie.

I read this the other day on CNN by chance and it just made me so sick inside thinking about it. I can't even imagine how that girl can even recover and live a remotely normal life.

[E=MCHAMMER]

Fucking atrocious. Sickening, and I hope every last one of them is held accountable. I.e, death penallty

[open mind]

Fucking atrocious. Sickening, and I hope every last one of them is held accountable. I.e, death penallty

totally messed up.

quoting you because of your avatar....i don't know if ironic is the right word but it's what immediately comes to mind.


You can't really hold these young black men accountable for perpetrating this atrocity. Their ancestors were slaves and all.

look everyone!!! it's a douchebag in it's natural habitat.

[xkristenxchaosx]

I don't know what disgusts me more, that they are trying to blame the girl, or that some of these boys are so young that they probably think they're "cool" for doing it.

That ANYONE thinks that this is her fault is absolutely bat shit fucking crazy to me.

[Love As Arson]

You can't really hold these young black men accountable for perpetrating this atrocity. Their ancestors were slaves and all.
Thanks for adding racism to the discussion.

[luqmanhakim]

So, so screwed up.

[Debut_Fin]

Victim blaming is always the way to go.

[Duexy]

You can't really hold these young black men accountable for perpetrating this atrocity. Their ancestors were slaves and all.


cool

[Smeee]

It's about goddamn time someone talked about this on here. I think people need to be told the graphic details, this needs to be on the news all day everyday, it needs to be beaten into everyone's head so that they'll never be able to go back into denial about the horror of this kind of thing. I see people joke about rape on here all the time, when some girl pisses them off they say "I hope she gets raped", to me rape is worse than murder and it happens way too often. Honestly, the rape statistics in this country are embarrassing, what's worse is that we all just kind of accept it.

I was watching some people talk about this on the news and some woman called in and tried to blame the girl's parents, as if it was their fault their child got gang raped, then she tried to say the girl was acting in a way that was kind of asking for it...what I dont understand is how anyone is comfortable even saying that shit out loud.

Well-said.

[Theseventhson]

You can't really hold these young black men accountable for perpetrating this atrocity. Their ancestors were slaves and all.

Is this enough to finally ban this guy?

[DejaGuy89]

It's about goddamn time someone talked about this on here. I think people need to be told the graphic details, this needs to be on the news all day everyday, it needs to be beaten into everyone's head so that they'll never be able to go back into denial about the horror of this kind of thing. I see people joke about rape on here all the time, when some girl pisses them off they say "I hope she gets raped", to me rape is worse than murder and it happens way too often. Honestly, the rape statistics in this country are embarrassing, what's worse is that we all just kind of accept it.

I was watching some people talk about this on the news and some woman called in and tried to blame the girl's parents, as if it was their fault their child got gang raped, then she tried to say the girl was acting in a way that was kind of asking for it...what I dont understand is how anyone is comfortable even saying that shit out loud.

this

[SoulClast]

You can't really hold these young black men accountable for perpetrating this atrocity. Their ancestors were slaves and all.

You look like a minority, so um...what?

[secretsociety92]

What does it matter if she lied about her age or dressed like someone older, it is still rape you dumb fucks.

[chrislauren]

Absolutely disgusting.

[troubledbyinsects]

It's about goddamn time someone talked about this on here. I think people need to be told the graphic details, this needs to be on the news all day everyday, it needs to be beaten into everyone's head so that they'll never be able to go back into denial about the horror of this kind of thing. I see people joke about rape on here all the time, when some girl pisses them off they say "I hope she gets raped", to me rape is worse than murder and it happens way too often. Honestly, the rape statistics in this country are embarrassing, what's worse is that we all just kind of accept it.

I was watching some people talk about this on the news and some woman called in and tried to blame the girl's parents, as if it was their fault their child got gang raped, then she tried to say the girl was acting in a way that was kind of asking for it...what I dont understand is how anyone is comfortable even saying that shit out loud.
fuck. i agree with zion.

[Alou]

Horrible.

[Theseventhson]

Also, I don't know if these people have ever seen an 11 year old before, but they don't look 18, no matter how they're dressed.

[TheRealJohnOC]

How does one not know that she was only 11? It's not like we're mistaking a 17 year old for an 18 year old.

[Smash Adams]

Maybe know people will start believing that victim blaming is a serious issue, not just with rape but with things like domestic abuse too, can't believe how many times I've heard "why didn't she just leave and take the kids" like it's that easy

[Scrandon]

I have officially began hating humanity again.

Is this so blatantly obvious that its a GANG RAPE?! Are people that dumb?

Christ...
What the fuck are you talking about? There was a video...

[salt1384]

This is absolutely disgusting. When I read that they were trying to blame her, tears came to my eyes.

[lovely864md]

Good job, rape culture.

[armoireofdoom]

This just made me feel sick. What a shame.

[Spartan789013]

What the fuck are you talking about? There was a video...

...what?

[JoeLovesMO]

I came in here to troll but god-damn that's horrible. Fucking sickos.

[chrislauren]

This is absolutely disgusting. When I read that they were trying to blame her, tears came to my eyes.
This. It's absolutely despicable.

[Thesleepingwell]

I came in here to troll but god-damn that's horrible. Fucking sickos.

This. Not to troll though.

[sjb2k1]

Great movie.

I read this the other day on CNN by chance and it just made me so sick inside thinking about it. I can't even imagine how that girl can even recover and live a remotely normal life.
and an even better book. regardless, i'm serious.

[onetwentyseven]

Maybe know people will start believing that victim blaming is a serious issue, not just with rape but with things like domestic abuse too, can't believe how many times I've heard "why didn't she just leave and take the kids" like it's that easy

This is such a troubling trend that's rising in the U.S. There's always been people putting the blame on the other party, but how one person, let alone an entire town full of shitbrains can put blame on an 11 year old girl in this situation makes my stomach knot.

You can only hope that people will soon wake up and realize that the things that come out of their mouths are not only disgusting, but are also making this whole country fall backwards in social evolution.

[ZoSo1886]

blame the CHILD. brilliant

[incognitojones]

Like the same situation happened in my friend's neighborhood, its just fucking despicable and people like these make me support the death penalty.

But according to my friend, they'll be killed by the Aryan guys in prison or something.

[Thesleepingwell]

This is such a troubling trend that's rising in the U.S. There's always been people putting the blame on the other party, but how one person, let alone an entire town full of shitbrains can put blame on an 11 year old girl in this situation makes my stomach knot.

You can only hope that people will soon wake up and realize that the things that come out of their mouths are not only disgusting, but are also making this whole country fall backwards in social evolution.

Even though I'm not a US citizen, I totally agree.
That kind of stuff happens here too. It's just sick and low.

It is awful to think people would blame the victim for that. Poor girl is scarred for life.

[S7ranburgLar]

This is such a troubling trend that's rising in the U.S. There's always been people putting the blame on the other party, but how one person, let alone an entire town full of shitbrains can put blame on an 11 year old girl in this situation makes my stomach knot.

You can only hope that people will soon wake up and realize that the things that come out of their mouths are not only disgusting, but are also making this whole country fall backwards in social evolution.

weren't some of these bastards on the school football team? cause i can see a texan town standing behind them...

[s12sim]

i read the first paragraph and closed the page.. this shit disgusts me. how can people do that?

[tell that mick]

SO fucking backwards.

[brook183]

how many people are actually blaming the 11-year old girl? are there just a few backwards idiots or is this a serious thing?

[SuperQt69]

Disgusting crime. I want to know how it comes into peoples heads to do something like this? How do they justify it to themselves without being overwhelmed by how reprehensible it is (I know that's to state it lightly)? And with whatever answers we have to those questions how do we create a world where shit like this doesn't happen? I don't mean a world with any universal morals per say, but one where people respect basic human rights. I figure to most people here we probably would never even actually consider doing anything this terrible.

Like what's wrong with people that so many bad things are even possible? And how do we avoid making sweeping generalizations about the world when these things seem to happen everyday...there are so many questions to ask I don't even know where to start.

Off to work for 14 hours now...maybe I'll see some good responses when I get back.

[Miketheunicycle]

i agree with basically everything that's been said. this is truly too sad for words.

an 11 year old is still a child, the mugshots of those goones, some of them look like they're 20 or something. completely disgusting. every human being as flaws, and when certain flaws are extracted in this sort of manner it disturbingly eats my stomach.

best wishes to the victim and her family, though i know my words won't ease the pain the slightest. i fear shit's just gonna keep getting worse and worse.

there's way too many fuck's out there with not a pint of decency.

[Gaugzilla]

You can't really hold these young black men accountable for perpetrating this atrocity. Their ancestors were slaves and all.
Bro, you're so edgy. You should bring those jokes to the next Kappa Tau mixer. Also, do it in blackface because that seems like the type of thing you would also find funny.

[Gaugzilla]

Disgusting crime. I want to know how it comes into peoples heads to do something like this? How do they justify it to themselves without being overwhelmed by how reprehensible it is (I know that's to state it lightly)? And with whatever answers we have to those questions how do we create a world where shit like this doesn't happen? I don't mean a world with any universal morals per say, but one where people respect basic human rights. I figure to most people here we probably would never even actually consider doing anything this terrible.

Like what's wrong with people that so many bad things are even possible? And how do we avoid making sweeping generalizations about the world when these things seem to happen everyday...there are so many questions to ask I don't even know where to start.

Off to work for 14 hours now...maybe I'll see some good responses when I get back.
Coming from a person that has sat in court with guys just like these fellas, it usually stems from their family. They were either molested as a child and therefore had no sexual boundaries instilled in them or they had terrible/absent fathers and feel they must compensate with power. Like they say, rape is all about power and control and not so much the sexual act or "getting off." These assholes wanted to feel like men by overpowering an 11-year-old to compensate for whatever is missing in their life.

Sadly, they pass on their own problems and then some to the victim. One could argue it's an act equal to or worse than murder because it changes the victim completely and sometimes take the rest of their life to cope.

[zion the lion]

Great movie.

I read this the other day on CNN by chance and it just made me so sick inside thinking about it. I can't even imagine how that girl can even recover and live a remotely normal life.

She wont.

[maxvsmaradona]

in other news, the sky is a shade of blue, known as "azure".

[Fringe]

I don't understand how anybody could even try and justify the rape of an eleven year girl in any circumstance. Absolutely fucking disgusting.

[GODMACHINE]

Was she even hot?

[zion the lion]

Coming from a person that has sat in court with guys just like these fellas, it usually stems from their family. They were either molested as a child and therefore had no sexual boundaries instilled in them or they had terrible/absent fathers and feel they must compensate with power. Like they say, rape is all about power and control and not so much the sexual act or "getting off." These assholes wanted to feel like men by overpowering an 11-year-old to compensate for whatever is missing in their life.

Sadly, they pass on their own problems and then some to the victim. One could argue it's an act equal to or worse than murder because it changes the victim completely and sometimes take the rest of their life to cope.

There are other types of rapists, but I wouldnt be surprised if a few of the ones in this case were doing it for control and the others did it just because everyone else was doing it. To me that last kind is worse.

And if you ask me, I will definitely say it's worse than murder. It doesnt help that the law seems so lenient when it comes to rape, a few years in jail and being on some website is like a fucking slap on the wrist compared to the punishment for murder.

[JoeLovesMO]

There are other types of rapists, but I wouldnt be surprised if a few of the ones in this case were doing it for control and the others did it just because everyone else was doing it. To me that last kind is worse.

And if you ask me, I will definitely say it's worse than murder. It doesnt help that the law seems so lenient when it comes to rape, a few years in jail and being on some website is like a fucking slap on the wrist compared to the punishment for murder.

Then again you think all men are rapists in the making. Or potential rapists. I can't remember the wording.

[cubsml34]

Wow is all I got

[zion the lion]

Then again you think all men are rapists in the making. Or potential rapists. I can't remember the wording.

Can you tell me how men arent potential rapists?

By the way, nice job trying to turn this into a zion flamefest instead of what it should be about (society and rape).

[JoeLovesMO]

Can you tell me how men arent potential rapists?

By the way, nice job trying to turn this into a zion flamefest instead of what it should be about (society and rape).

Because 99% of men don't actaully rape anyone in their whole lifetime.

I'm not flaming you, just saying that your thoughts on rapists may be a little off.

[zion the lion]

Because 99% of men don't actaully rape anyone in their whole lifetime.

I'm not flaming you, just saying that your thoughts on rapists may be a little off.

Did I say that all men are rapists? I dont think so, I'm pretty sure I said that they have the potential to rape.

Yes you were, or you wouldnt have even mentioned it at all. It was a shitty attempt to humiliate me or open the doors to humiliation because of what I said, I still stand by it and will until you tell me how men arent potential rapists.

[Gaugzilla]

Did I say that all men are rapists? I dont think so, I'm pretty sure I said that they have the potential to rape.

Yes you were, or you wouldnt have even mentioned it at all. It was a shitty attempt to humiliate me or open the doors to humiliation because of what I said, I still stand by it and will until you tell me how men arent potential rapists.
Oh gosh, I don't want to perpetuate this conversation but I guess you're right. They also have the potential to save women from rape, train them to fight, become president, kick a football to the moon, fight a gang of foot soldiers. So many possibilities.

[zion the lion]

Oh gosh, I don't want to perpetuate this conversation but I guess you're right. They also have the potential to save women from rape, train them to fight, become president, kick a football to the moon, fight a gang of foot soldiers. So many possibilities.

No they dont.

[JoeLovesMO]

Answered for me ^

EDIT: Gaugzilla.

[allthruwinter]

You can't really hold these young black men accountable for perpetrating this atrocity. Their ancestors were slaves and all.

You're disgusting.

I hope they all rot in jail for doing that to that girl.

[JoeLovesMO]

It's unfortunate / funny that just under this thread on the quick links on the first page '11 year old assaulted in Texas' is 'hahahahahaha'

[zion the lion]

Answered for me ^

EDIT: Gaugzilla.

No, that's a cop out, you have shit on me constantly for saying that all men are potential rapists...you have yet to tell me how I'm wrong. I want a real answer, not someone else's reply.

[JoeLovesMO]

No, that's a cop out, you have shit on me constantly for saying that all men are potential rapists...you have yet to tell me how I'm wrong. I want a real answer, not someone else's reply.

Maybe you got this from living in a ghetto area? It makes more sense to try and find out why you would think this.

[zion the lion]

Maybe you got this from living in a ghetto area? It makes more sense to try and find out why you would think this.

Again, did I say that all men are rapists? No. If you have an object to penetrate with (which for most men, it's a penis) and someone to penetrate, you have the potential to rape. You are taught from a young age about stranger danger, if men werent potential rapists, people wouldnt teach their kids no to talk to strangers. When you get older you're told not to walk your dog or jog alone especially in the dark, if men werent potential rapists, nobody would even think about worrying about that kind of thing. You're told that when you're at a bar and a man offers to buy you a drink, you have to follow him to the bar and watch him, and you're told to never leave your drink alone out of sight just in case someone tries to slip something in the drink. Why would you have to worry about that if men werent potential rapists?

I've said this before and I'll say it again, there's nothing wrong with my thinking. Women and children are taught to be wary of strangers, because the people around them are potential rapists. Unless you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the stranger man offering to show you his new puppies in the back of his van isnt going to rape you, you have to keep your guard up and think that there's a chance that person might rape you. The same goes for women, but since you're more likely to get raped by a man and because men make up 99% of the rapist population, I just went with saying that men are potential rapists. Where I grew up doesnt change any of that.

[JoeLovesMO]

I was taught to stay away from creepy women too. Women have the potential to fuck shit up too. Your mum/who ever taught you this shit was obviously as sexist as they come, and so are you.

[zion the lion]

I was taught to stay away from creepy women too. Women have the potential to fuck shit up too. Your mum/who ever taught you this shit was obviously as sexist as they come, and so are you.

You either have a very bad selective reading problem or you just ignore half of the things I say as a way to continue an argument or demonize me.

The same goes for women, but since you're more likely to get raped by a man and because men make up 99% of the rapist population...

it was right there in the second paragraph of the post right above yours which happened to quote you. But thanks.

[Roboman]

No, that's a cop out, you have shit on me constantly for saying that all men are potential rapists...you have yet to tell me how I'm wrong. I want a real answer, not someone else's reply.

Because it's simply so...hyperbolic. I won't bother trying to change your opinion, but you do see why pretty much everyone considers what you said to be a laughably ridiculous statement, right? Okay, in the likelihood you don't, it's because when you say it, it comes across as you actually believing that any guy could (or that it's even likely that), at any time, try to rape you or another woman. And, you know, it also doesn't help when you call guys disgusting.

Yeah, of course pretty much anyone has the potential to perpetrate something as heinous as rape (see: the fucks in this story), especially if you don't know them (which of course doesn't have to be the case, as in your situation), but shit, we all have the potential to be/do anything, like Gaugzilla said. We all also therefore have the potential to not be and to never be rapists. But whatever, I'm sure you'll just disagree with everything I said.

Anyway yes, what happened in this god-forsaken Texan town is abhorrent, and I hope these guys get what they deserve, if not more. And hell, why not plan a nuclear weapon test for the town, too?

[JoeLovesMO]

I read the first line of your posts half-heartedly then assume the rest is unnecessarily angry ramblings.

The fact that you think I try to continue an argument is lulzable. Like anyone on this board, someone says something related to you or something you have an opinion on (normally a batshit crazy one) and you will argue until they stop posting or say you're right. So yeah, you're right Zion, all men are potential rapists.

Becasue: 1) men have penis' 2) Rape is a thing that exists and can happen 3) Because it has happend before.

But oh yeah, you forgot that humans are not animals! We have control over our actions! Huzzah! 99% on men wouldn't want to rape someone and never will. And so only a tiny percentage are potential rapists.

EDIT: To Zion.

[Sic Transit Zeb]

Oh weird. I live about an hour from that town and I used to work with a girl from there. What a shitty town.

[Sic Transit Zeb]

Again, did I say that all men are rapists? No. If you have an object to penetrate with (which for most men, it's a penis) and someone to penetrate, you have the potential to rape. You are taught from a young age about stranger danger, if men werent potential rapists, people wouldnt teach their kids no to talk to strangers. When you get older you're told not to walk your dog or jog alone especially in the dark, if men werent potential rapists, nobody would even think about worrying about that kind of thing. You're told that when you're at a bar and a man offers to buy you a drink, you have to follow him to the bar and watch him, and you're told to never leave your drink alone out of sight just in case someone tries to slip something in the drink. Why would you have to worry about that if men werent potential rapists?

I've said this before and I'll say it again, there's nothing wrong with my thinking. Women and children are taught to be wary of strangers, because the people around them are potential rapists. Unless you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the stranger man offering to show you his new puppies in the back of his van isnt going to rape you, you have to keep your guard up and think that there's a chance that person might rape you. The same goes for women, but since you're more likely to get raped by a man and because men make up 99% of the rapist population, I just went with saying that men are potential rapists. Where I grew up doesnt change any of that.

Both sexes are potential rapists Yes, you said; however, your continually sexist remarks are astounding. You're an idiot.

Do you ever stop to think that maybe guys don't report rape as much? What guy wants it to be known that HE was raped by a woman??

I can tell your intellect is very small and sort of big picture effect would more than likely go over your head.

[zion the lion]

Because it's simply so...hyperbolic. I won't bother trying to change your opinion, but you do see why pretty much everyone considers what you said to be a laughably ridiculous statement, right? Okay, in the likelihood you don't, it's because when you say it, it comes across as you actually believing that any guy could (or that it's even likely that), at any time, try to rape you or another woman. And, you know, it also doesn't help when you call guys disgusting.

Yeah, of course pretty much anyone has the potential to perpetrate something as heinous as rape (see: the fucks in this story), especially if you don't know them (which of course doesn't have to be the case, as in your situation), but shit, we all have the potential to be/do anything, like Gaugzilla said. We all also therefore have the potential to not be and to never be rapists. But whatever, I'm sure you'll just disagree with everything I said.

Anyway yes, what happened in this god-forsaken Texan town is abhorrent, and I hope these guys get what they deserve, if not more. And hell, why not plan a nuclear weapon test for the town, too?

I do actually believe that any guy could rape me or someone I know. I dont think or believe that every single guy I know or every single guy I ever come across will rape me. If you have an object to penetrate someone with, you have the ability to rape. I dont see how that's so laughable, when you have a daughter, are you going to think it's laughable to warn her about strangers or anyone trying to touch her? Are you going to think it's laughable to warn her not to go out alone? I dont see how it's ridiculous at all.

I'm tired of everyone's inability to realize that "potential" doesnt mean "definitely will". I dont see people ending up in an uproar when someone says that people have the potential to be murderers. I'll be the first one to say that people have the potential to do absolutely anything possible (not kick a football to the moon).

which of course doesn't have to be the case, as in your situation
what situation are you talking about?

edit: and yes, I have called men disgusting. I've called men on this website disgusting on this website, especially when I'm in a thread about an actress or a female singer and all of the comments are extremely sexual in nature, and when none of them talk about her talent. But where in this thread have I said that men are disgusting?

[zion the lion]

I read the first line of your posts half-heartedly then assume the rest is unnecessarily angry ramblings.

The fact that you think I try to continue an argument is lulzable. Like anyone on this board, someone says something related to you or something you have an opinion on (normally a batshit crazy one) and you will argue until they stop posting or say you're right. So yeah, you're right Zion, all men are potential rapists.

Becasue: 1) men have penis' 2) Rape is a thing that exists and can happen 3) Because it has happend before.

But oh yeah, you forgot that humans are not animals! We have control over our actions! Huzzah! 99% on men wouldn't want to rape someone and never will. And so only a tiny percentage are potential rapists.

EDIT: To Zion.

You pulled that 99% out of your ass, how about using the actual statistic.

AGAIN, I NEVER SAID THAT ALL MEN ARE GOING TO RAPE. I've gone out of my way to say that. Good for you, you have self control, I didnt say anything about anyone's control or lack of it though.

The keyword here is POTENTIAL...dont quote me until you figure that out.



Both sexes are potential rapists Yes, you said; however, your continually sexist remarks are astounding. You're an idiot.

Do you ever stop to think that maybe guys don't report rape as much? What guy wants it to be known that HE was raped by a woman??

I can tell your intellect is very small and sort of big picture effect would more than likely go over your head.

Oh my god where did I say that women dont rape?

Where did I say that men are never rape victims?

Thanks for the insults, it's nice to know you dont have the ability or the maturity to disagree with someone without name calling. Since everyone seems to think I'm saying those first two things, I want you to point out to me where I said that women never rape and that men arent rape victims. I get that you dont have enough respect for me to refrain from the insults, but please have enough respect to provide me with the proof that I said something that I have a feeling I didnt say.

[JoeLovesMO]

You pulled that 99% out of your ass, how about using the actual statistic.

AGAIN, I NEVER SAID THAT ALL MEN ARE GOING TO RAPE. I've gone out of my way to say that. Like many other people have said during the course of you throwing my statement in my face over the past few weeks, everyone has the potential to do anything, that includes murder. I have the potential to kill babies (so do you), that doesnt mean I'd ever even think about harming a child. You and I both have the potential to be the leaders of our countries, that doesnt mean either of us will be. You have the potential to be a father, you have the potential to be a great one or a god awful one. Good for you, you have self control, I didnt say anything about anyone's control or lack of it though.

The keyword here is POTENTIAL...dont quote me until you figure that out.



Oh my god where did I say that women dont rape?

Where did I say that men are never rape victims?

Thanks for the insults, it's nice to know you dont have the ability or the maturity to disagree with someone without name calling. Since everyone seems to think I'm saying those first two things, I want you to point out to me where I said that women never rape and that men arent rape victims. I get that you dont have enough respect for me to refrain from the insults, but please have enough respect to provide me with the proof that I said something that I have a feeling I didnt say.

You talk in circles and never really reply to peoples posts. I know you said all men have the potential and not all men WILL and I knew that when I replied to your post and told you why you are wrong about saying potential.

99%

[Sic Transit Zeb]

You pulled that 99% out of your ass, how about using the actual statistic.

AGAIN, I NEVER SAID THAT ALL MEN ARE GOING TO RAPE. I've gone out of my way to say that. Good for you, you have self control, I didnt say anything about anyone's control or lack of it though.

The keyword here is POTENTIAL...dont quote me until you figure that out.

edit: 1. capable of being or becoming: a potential danger to safety. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/potential)




Oh my god where did I say that women dont rape?

Where did I say that men are never rape victims?

Thanks for the insults, it's nice to know you dont have the ability or the maturity to disagree with someone without name calling. Since everyone seems to think I'm saying those first two things, I want you to point out to me where I said that women never rape and that men arent rape victims. I get that you dont have enough respect for me to refrain from the insults, but please have enough respect to provide me with the proof that I said something that I have a feeling I didnt say.

You should really work on your writing to better communicate what you are thinking without leading people to imply or infer other things. You should blame yourself for not doing a well enough job describing your thoughts; not me.

And if my "insults" offended you then you must have a horrible time in day to day life. The one lacking maturity would be you.

[COREhorizon]

No surprise this is another Zion thread now. All the tragic events' threads have had the same fate.

[zion the lion]

You talk in circles and never really reply to peoples posts. I know you said all men have the potential and not all men WILL and I knew that when I replied to your post and told you why you are wrong about saying potential.

99%

You havent told me how men (and women) dont have the potential to rape. You just keep saying that 99% (which isnt the right number) wont.

I'll take what I edited and put it in this post for you.

Here are some links that might be helpful on your quest for the definition of the word potential.
1. capable of being or becoming (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/potential)
2. existing in possibility : capable of development into actuality (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/potential)

I'm tired of this bone you have to pick with me, and your inability (or refusal) to address me privately about it. This story and subject are something very close to my heart and something I've been trying to bring attention to since I first heard about it. I'm not going to deny my involvement in the deterioration of this thread but you actually came into this thread and admitted to the fact that your intention was to troll and you just said that you dont read a thing I say (even though you brought up something that got resolved months ago). I'm done, I'm tired of trying to explain something I said months ago to someone who only wants to troll me, put words into my mouth, ignore everything I say, and argue all in a shitty attempt to demonize me.

[FaceLixeMurder]

Thanks for adding racism to the discussion.

Racism should be in every discussion, it is always relevant

[FaceLixeMurder]

Is this enough to finally ban this guy?

This guy is just saying what a lot of people are thinking, or just to get a rise out of people

[zion the lion]

You should really work on your writing to better communicate what you are thinking without leading people to imply or infer other things. You should blame yourself for not doing a well enough job describing your thoughts; not me.

That's the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard from someone trying to hide their responsibility for their own words. I say what I say for a reason, I try to make my point very clear so that there isnt any room for insinuations or bullshit like that. You on the other hand read between some nonexistent lines to argue with me. So unless you're going to take back what you said and apologize, I'll be expecting that proof of me saying that men arent victims of rape or that women dont rape.

And if my "insults" offended you then you must have a horrible time in day to day life. The one lacking maturity would be you.

No, your insults didnt offend me. I see that you're still trying to avoid taking responsibility for the things you say though by putting the word insults in quotation marks as if calling me an idiot isnt an insult. My problem is that you made it clear that you couldnt disagree with someone without insulting them, and that I expect at least an ounce of the very basic respect you give to other human beings.

[Qadriyyah]

That's disgusting. They'll probably be murdered in prison for that shit. If they were in Philly someone would have gotten them on the street already.

[JoeLovesMO]

You havent told me how men (and women) dont have the potential to rape. You just keep saying that 99% (which isnt the right number) wont.

I'll take what I edited and put it in this post for you.

Here are some links that might be helpful on your quest for the definition of the word potential.
1. capable of being or becoming (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/potential)
2. existing in possibility : capable of development into actuality (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/potential)

I'm tired of this bone you have to pick with me, and your inability (or refusal) to address me privately about it. This story and subject are something very close to my heart and something I've been trying to bring attention to since I first heard about it. I'm not going to deny my involvement in the deterioration of this thread but you actually came into this thread and admitted to the fact that your intention was to troll and you just said that you dont read a thing I say (even though you brought up something that got resolved months ago). I'm done, I'm tired of trying to explain something I said months ago to someone who only wants to troll me, put words into my mouth, ignore everything I say, and argue all in a shitty attempt to demonize me.

Did you know kittens are cute? You should look at kittens when you are angry.

Meow.

[StephenYoung]

Did I say that all men are rapists? I dont think so, I'm pretty sure I said that they have the potential to rape.

Yes you were, or you wouldnt have even mentioned it at all. It was a shitty attempt to humiliate me or open the doors to humiliation because of what I said, I still stand by it and will until you tell me how men arent potential rapists.

All Women have the potential to drown their babies in the bathtub.
Every car has the potential to drive on to the sidewalk and kill you.
Every head of state has the potential to lead their nation into genocide, war, massacre, depression, etc.

I know that you've had negative experiences with men, and that every time I quote you, it's always the "ur stupid" followed by the "no u cheated on your girlfriend", but if you go through life assuming the worst out of people, you're going to live a fucking shitty life.


As for this: Are there details we don't know? Obviously this girl didn't want to get gangbanged by 6 dudes, but is it possible she wanted to have sex with one or two of them (Remember it's fucking Cleveland, Texas: hicktown supreme), and then a couple more showed up, leading the townspeople to think she wanted sex, just not that much.

Either way, there should be no discussion whether who to blame. Rape is rape, period.

[The Personist]

Strictly speaking, all PEOPLE are technically potential rapists...

[mattyrocks]

i need to find out more information about this case.

[WTG]

I feel sick reading that article. That town is disgustingly awful.

[ghostyouare]

This isn't just a girl getting raped it's a community being torn apart. My heart goes out to the girl, it's going to be a long journey but she will lead a normal life if she gets some counseling.

I'm sure (pray) the community's response to the story isn't just a reflection on how they feel about the girl but the inate need that we all have to try to justify/explain evil.

[CheckeredFloors]

For fucks sake, leave Zion alone. A ridiculous statement that she made months ago doesn't need to be brought up every time she posts.

You guys keep provoking her and then blame her for derailing threads when really, it's your argumentative comments that are doing it.

[Duexy]

Can you tell me how men arent potential rapists?

By the way, nice job trying to turn this into a zion flamefest instead of what it should be about (society and rape).

as are all women

[caveBEAR]

This guy is just saying what a lot of people are thinking, or just to get a rise out of people

Yeah, throwing yourself in with the 'ignorant pricks' is not usually the way one wants to go...

[themagicrat]

It might be me, but I'm pretty sure that rape is horribly wrong regardless of the age of the victim. I'm also fairly certain that blaming the victim is more or less the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

[mattyrocks]

one would hope that people think rape is horribly wrong.

[SlappedActor]

It might be me, but I'm pretty sure that rape is horribly wrong regardless of the age of the victim. I'm also fairly certain that blaming the victim is more or less the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

It's definitely just you.

[themagicrat]

It's definitely just you.

Good to know, I'll adjust my views accordingly.

[maxvsmaradona]

Strictly speaking, all PEOPLE are technically potential rapists...

/zionconvo

[Posthardcore]

Thugs.

[Kbm600]

For once, I don't think its stupid to say "I blame video games for this." I personally know two people who were raped and it fucking disgusts me that people talk out loud like that. I've caught myself saying it and I immediately take it back, because its a serious issue.

What? Video games and rape are related how?

[Love As Arson]

Zion is right. Consider the conversations one hears with the average group of males regarding sex or even rape; in terms of the former, it usually involves the idea of making a woman submissive in order to get sex, which is an exercise of power just as rape is, and in conversations about rape, it involves the degree to which one can force themselves on a woman without it being rape. Furthermore, in this society, a woman has to go through the world always on guard that someone may assault them, even those closest to them because that is who rapes are typically perpetrated by. What's more, rather than men being educated not to rape, women are told that they must adjust their behaviour, otherwise they are asking for assault. Some of the men in this thread are taking what is said way too personally, rather than understanding that the analysis is of objective power relations as a result of sexism in our society. And yes, there are women that commit rape, but the vast majority of sexual assaults are perpetrated by men and this is directly tied to the patriarchal nature of our society.

[AP_Punk]

Zion is right. Consider the conversations one hears with the average group of males regarding sex or even rape; in terms of the former, it usually involves the idea of making a woman submissive in order to get sex, which is an exercise of power just as rape is, and in conversations about rape, it involves the degree to which one can force themselves on a woman without it being rape. Furthermore, in this society, a woman has to go through the world always on guard that someone may assault them, even those closest to them because that is who rapes are typically perpetrated by. What's more, rather than men being educated not to rape, women are told that they must adjust their behaviour, otherwise they are asking for assault. Some of the men in this thread are taking what is said way too personally, rather than understanding that the analysis is of objective power relations as a result of sexism in our society. And yes, there are women that commit rape, but the vast majority of sexual assaults are perpetrated by men and this is directly tied to the patriarchal nature of our society.

wellfuckingsaid, sir :appl:

[Spartan789013]

What? Video games and rape are related how?

I phrased that the wrong way. Zion mentioned something about how we are becoming desensitized to the word and idea of rape, which I find a direct correlation with video games. It didn't make much sense when I re-read it too so my apologies.

[Kbm600]

I phrased that the wrong way. Zion mentioned something about how we are becoming desensitized to the word and idea of rape, which I find a direct correlation with video games. It didn't make much sense when I re-read it too so my apologies.

That makes a little more sense, but I would edit it to include all mediums of entertainment. Don't pull a Fox News and target video games haha.

[wayfarer]

Was she even hot?

I know it's probably best to ignore bullshit like this...but ughhhh

[Spartan789013]

That makes a little more sense, but I would edit it to include all mediums of entertainment. Don't pull a Fox News and target video games haha.

hahahahah Fox News. What a joke :-P

[Theseventhson]

This guy is just saying what a lot of people are thinking, or just to get a rise out of people

Giving Texas a good name, sir.

[zion the lion]

as are all women

I already said that.

[JoshSalas]

I'm actually incapable of rape, just sayin'.

[Grub]

Sickening, I don't know where to begin but I'll say that we need to change the way we do things because we are living in a corrupt fucking nation if they even want to consider about blaming the child. WTF!

[zion the lion]

For once, I don't think its stupid to say "I blame video games for this." I personally know two people who were raped and it fucking disgusts me that people talk out loud like that. I've caught myself saying it and I immediately take it back, because its a serious issue.

I think video game violence is a reflection of our society's indifference towards this kind of thing, instead of us behaving the way we behave because of our exposure to video games.

[Sic Transit Zeb]

That's the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard from someone trying to hide their responsibility for their own words. I say what I say for a reason, I try to make my point very clear so that there isnt any room for insinuations or bullshit like that. You on the other hand read between some nonexistent lines to argue with me. So unless you're going to take back what you said and apologize, I'll be expecting that proof of me saying that men arent victims of rape or that women dont rape.



No, your insults didnt offend me. I see that you're still trying to avoid taking responsibility for the things you say though by putting the word insults in quotation marks as if calling me an idiot isnt an insult. My problem is that you made it clear that you couldnt disagree with someone without insulting them, and that I expect at least an ounce of the very basic respect you give to other human beings.

Do not say such idiotic things and maybe your response(s) will be different.

[zion the lion]

Do not say such idiotic things and maybe your response(s) will be different.

The one who resorted to name calling, read between some nonexistent lines and shoved a bunch of words into my mouth is, trying to lecture me on idiotic things? That's a little bit funny considering the fact that I didnt say anything idiotic. I'd ask you to point out how me saying that you have the potential to do something is idiotic, especially when I've gone out of my way to stress the fact that having the potential to do something doesnt mean that you will do it.

[Sic Transit Zeb]

The one who resorted to name calling, read between some nonexistent lines and shoved a bunch of words into my mouth is, trying to lecture me on idiotic things? That's a little bit funny considering the fact that I didnt say anything idiotic. I'd ask you to point out how me saying that you have the potential to do something is idiotic, especially when I've gone out of my way to stress the fact that having the potential to do something doesnt mean that you will do it.

In any sort of text people always read between the lines. Yes, I think you're an idiot; however, I'm sure you're a great person and I have no issues with you at all. I did not like your earlier post and so I responded. That's it.

[kemppettyjohn]

this is fucking awful

[zion the lion]

In any sort of text people always read between the lines. Yes, I think you're an idiot; however, I'm sure you're a great person and I have no issues with you at all. I did not like your earlier post and so I responded. That's it.

I've said a million times before that I choose my words carefully so that there is very little room to read between any invisible lines. You seriously pulled some of your accusations out of thin air based on literally nothing, I expect an apology.

[Love As Arson]

as are all women

This would be more true if we ignore any social context.

[Sic Transit Zeb]

I've said a million times before that I choose my words carefully so that there is very little room to read between any invisible lines. You seriously pulled some of your accusations out of thin air based on literally nothing, I expect an apology.

You did not do a good job choosing your words carefully. Why not just let by gones be by gones? This is supposed to be fun and this back forth is rather not enjoyable.

[zion the lion]

You did not do a good job choosing your words carefully. Why not just let by gones be by gones? This is supposed to be fun and this back forth is rather not enjoyable.

I chose them carefully enough not to imply that men arent victims of sexual abuse.


and this thread shouldnt be about fun. It should be about killing the denial that lives in this culture like a parasite, preventing us from realizing how acceptable objectification has become.

[JoshSalas]

I chose them carefully enough not to imply that men arent victims of sexual abuse.


and this thread shouldnt be about fun. It should be about killing the denial that lives in this culture like a parasite, preventing us from realizing how acceptable objectification has become.

Sorry I just got here. I did read a fair amount of the comments but, denial of what/ denial that what?

[The Raine]

I've said a million times before that I choose my words carefully so that there is very little room to read between any invisible lines.

Puppy killer thread several months back...

Well there is a shit ton less annoying whining puppies in this world.

When did I say good? stating a fact is not automatically a good riddance.

There's video proof of the fact that there are now less whining puppies...

[FaceLixeMurder]

Yeah, throwing yourself in with the 'ignorant pricks' is not usually the way one wants to go...

eh its amusing to see how people react

[FaceLixeMurder]

Giving Texas a good name, sir.

No, I wasn't in the group of 10 black people that raped an 11yr old girl? If a bad name was given, it was from those jokers and worthless excuses for people doing something horrific like that.

[Theseventhson]

No, I wasn't in the group of 10 black people that raped an 11yr old girl? If a bad name was given, it was from those jokers and worthless excuses for people doing something horrific like that.

Rape makes racism okay? Fuck off.

[zion the lion]

Sorry I just got here. I did read a fair amount of the comments but, denial of what/ denial that what?

There's a denial that goes on with these crimes, it seems to be a coping mechanism. You hear about little girls in Africa being raped because of a reckless myth that virgins cure AIDS, it gets talked about on the news for 15 seconds, people think "oh that's horrible" and then they move on and forget about it so that they can her hours of coverage about Charlie Sheen or Sarah Palin. The rape statistics in this country are embarrassing and we all just ignore it. It's a joke, we talk about preventing becoming a victim but not preventing becoming the abuser. We rarely talk about rape or abuse, the effects, the warning signs, the severity of it all, because nobody wants to even imagine the horror of it all. We just sweep it all under the rug so that we can pretend like we've advanced, like we arent half as barbaric as we used to be.

It's all treated like it's no big deal, we even allow and encourage people to joke on this site about it. The punishment is a slap on the wrist, I've seen drug dealers get harsher punishments than rapists. There are seriously tv specials on some drug addict exhibiting very normal drug addict behavior, but we cant spend that much time and energy showing rape for what it really is. I get it, nobody wants to have to sit around and really think about all of the things they did wrong while raising the next generation, they dont want to think they're partially responsible for the rape culture we're tumbling deeper and deeper into.


Puppy killer thread several months back...

Oh look you're bringing in some comments I made a year ago, an issue that got resolved a long time ago and has literally nothing to do with this thread. If I didnt know any better, I would think that you went out of your way to find something "controversial" I've said just to rev up some sort of unnecessary argument. Why dont you quote all of the posts where I said that I had no clue the video was real?

[JoshSalas]

There's a denial that goes on with these crimes, it seems to be a coping mechanism. You hear about little girls in Africa being raped because of a reckless myth that virgins cure AIDS, it gets talked about on the news for 15 seconds, people think "oh that's horrible" and then they move on and forget about it so that they can her hours of coverage about Charlie Sheen or Sarah Palin. The rape statistics in this country are embarrassing and we all just ignore it. It's a joke, we talk about preventing becoming a victim but not preventing becoming the abuser. We rarely talk about rape or abuse, the effects, the warning signs, the severity of it all, because nobody wants to even imagine the horror of it all. We just sweep it all under the rug so that we can pretend like we've advanced, like we arent half as barbaric as we used to be.

It's all treated like it's no big deal, we even allow and encourage people to joke on this site about it. The punishment is a slap on the wrist, I've seen drug dealers get harsher punishments than rapists. There are seriously tv specials on some drug addict exhibiting very normal drug addict behavior, but we cant spend that much time and energy showing rape for what it really is. I get it, nobody wants to have to sit around and really think about all of the things they did wrong while raising the next generation, they dont want to think they're partially responsible for the rape culture we're tumbling deeper and deeper into.

Some good points, I enjoyed reading that.

I definitely agree that it should be a more discussed topic (included in the whole anti-drug/violence programs or education most high-schools have to some degree) and the whole joke thing is definitely questionable, but to me that's just the same issue as 'I was about to kill someone,' 'you're retarded,' etc etc. There are a ton of commonplace phrases like those which people almost never use literally, but they do occasionally stir up drama. I'm not entirely sure what my opinion is on that, so I'll just leave it.

As for preventing people from becoming abusers, I don't know what more you would have done on that front. I think the whole 'never hit a female (if you are a guy)' thing is engrained almost completely in Western culture, almost too much sometimes in my opinion. We might never be told flat out, 'don't rape girls/women', but the anti-violence thing pretty much implicitly teaches that.

[Sic Transit Zeb]

I chose them carefully enough not to imply that men arent victims of sexual abuse.


and this thread shouldnt be about fun. It should be about killing the denial that lives in this culture like a parasite, preventing us from realizing how acceptable objectification has become.


Um, what? Actually, no I don't care. Fight the power.

[Disanthro]

That's pretty fucked up.

[zion the lion]

[/b]

Um, what? Actually, no I don't care. Fight the power.

How many "you need to be raped" or "get back in the kitchen" jokes are there on here? Way too many, you're going to tell me it hasnt become an issue?

[zion the lion]

Some good points, I enjoyed reading that.

I definitely agree that it should be a more discussed topic (included in the whole anti-drug/violence programs or education most high-schools have to some degree) and the whole joke thing is definitely questionable, but to me that's just the same issue as 'I was about to kill someone,' 'you're retarded,' etc etc. There are a ton of commonplace phrases like those which people almost never use literally, but they do occasionally stir up drama. I'm not entirely sure what my opinion is on that, so I'll just leave it.

As for preventing people from becoming abusers, I don't know what more you would have done on that front. I think the whole 'never hit a female (if you are a guy)' thing is engrained almost completely in Western culture, almost too much sometimes in my opinion. We might never be told flat out, 'don't rape girls/women', but the anti-violence thing pretty much implicitly teaches that.

I know that the jokes arent going to make someone go out and rape, but the fact that they're laughed at or accepted is just another example about how people think it isnt a big deal.

I have to go but I'll add on to this later.

edit: I was reading about a couple of studies that were done with college aged guys, and at least 6% of the men admitted to raping someone when words like rape werent involved in describing the act. There was a guy I grew up with and I know for a fact that he was raised to respect women, he held the doors open for us, he went out of his way to help me with stuff like even peeling my oranges. We had an encounter and no just didnt mean no for him, it didnt end in rape, something made him stop but our parts were right there it would have taken a second for him to have actually cross that boundary.

It made me realize that there's something going on where maybe people arent clear enough when teaching their kids about sex. We've all heard that whole "your lips say no but your eyes say yes" thing, and maybe people dont take "no" seriously enough, maybe they think it's the other person playing hard to get. I just dont people are making those boundaries clear enough.

[PunkInfluence09]

Zion, you are far, FAR too easy to troll. It's about the only reason you get even half the responses you do. Make yourself less of an obvious target and it will be much easier for you post actively.

On topic: Terrible, terrible thing that should have never happened. Hope to see each person prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[Sic Transit Zeb]

How many "you need to be raped" or "get back in the kitchen" jokes are there on here? Way too many, you're going to tell me it hasnt become an issue?

No.

[corrupt_rocker]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20041138-504083.html?tag=contentMain;content Body

It's another article about it. Apparently this wasn't the first time this girl was sexually assaulted, it was the third. I don't understand why her parents didn't keep her under strict surveillance after the first time. Let alone a second time. I don't think that she's to blame but how did she end up in the same horrid situation multiple times?

[Matt Chylak]

probably her environment. can't really escape where you live

[Lueda Alia]

I can't even wrap my mind around these things.

[Gumbyjag]

This is wrong and horrible in every way, but we don't know enough to rule out the possibility that she just wasn't in the wrong place at the wrong time. Yes it was obviously rape, but hey, I'm not about to watch the video to prove it.

[zion the lion]

No.

So you're telling me the acceptance of those jokes arent contributing to or reflecting (or both in some unending cycle), the rape culture we're in or the indifference towards these crimes? I'm not saying that all of the people on here who have told me that I deserve to be raped or have made the shitty get back in the kitchen jokes are going to rape me (I have a feeling they'd condone it) or that they really think women should be making them a never ending supply of sandwiches. I'm saying it shows that we as a society really dont think rape is a big deal, which is really just making the problem worse.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20041138-504083.html?tag=contentMain;content Body

It's another article about it. Apparently this wasn't the first time this girl was sexually assaulted, it was the third. I don't understand why her parents didn't keep her under strict surveillance after the first time. Let alone a second time. I don't think that she's to blame but how did she end up in the same horrid situation multiple times?

In my experience (with me and with other people), people can maybe think it wasnt a big deal the first time, or they'll try to sweep it under the rug or ignore it. Really though, if your daughter had been assaulted once, would you keep her under strict surveillance for the rest of her life? With young kids, there's the need for protection but then there is the idea of keeping things as normal for kid as possible.

[saysmydoctor]

Jesus Christ, Zion, even when you're right, you are still so stupid.

[Duexy]

eh its amusing to see how people react

keep austin shitty

[caveBEAR]

This is wrong and horrible in every way, but we don't know enough to rule out the possibility that she just wasn't in the wrong place at the wrong time. Yes it was obviously rape, but hey, I'm not about to watch the video to prove it.

The fuck you say? She was in the wrong place at the wrong time? Is there a 'gang rape forest' in Texas little girls are told to avoid?

[corrupt_rocker]

In my experience (with me and with other people), people can maybe think it wasnt a big deal the first time, or they'll try to sweep it under the rug or ignore it. Really though, if your daughter had been assaulted once, would you keep her under strict surveillance for the rest of her life? With young kids, there's the need for protection but then there is the idea of keeping things as normal for kid as possible.

I wouldn't keep her under strict surveillance for the rest of her life, but I would for a really long time. I mean, she's eleven, most parents are still (or at least should be) overly protective when their child is that age. And if it happened twice, I'd move out of the area.

[glattim]

well, shit.

[Sic Transit Zeb]

So you're telling me the acceptance of those jokes arent contributing to or reflecting (or both in some unending cycle), the rape culture we're in or the indifference towards these crimes? I'm not saying that all of the people on here who have told me that I deserve to be raped or have made the shitty get back in the kitchen jokes are going to rape me (I have a feeling they'd condone it) or that they really think women should be making them a never ending supply of sandwiches. I'm saying it shows that we as a society really dont think rape is a big deal, which is really just making the problem worse.



In my experience (with me and with other people), people can maybe think it wasnt a big deal the first time, or they'll try to sweep it under the rug or ignore it. Really though, if your daughter had been assaulted once, would you keep her under strict surveillance for the rest of her life? With young kids, there's the need for protection but then there is the idea of keeping things as normal for kid as possible.

I don't think the jokes or even laughter from them means you condone rape or accepting of it. I just think it is a joke and doesn't reflect on someones true feelings. Rape is terrible and what happened in this city is utterly disgusting. It's kind of crazy because I only live an hour away and know a few people from there. Ha.

[wroteurname]

Reminds me of the time a neighbor of mine got caught feeling up a 12 year old in the woods and his defense was "her myspace said she was 14." This is fucking stupid, so very stupid. These men need to be castrated. How do you get 17 of your closest friends together to rape an 11 year old kid?

[zion the lion]

I wouldn't keep her under strict surveillance for the rest of her life, but I would for a really long time. I mean, she's eleven, most parents are still (or at least should be) overly protective when their child is that age. And if it happened twice, I'd move out of the area.

Most people arent like that, I wish they were, but they arent.

I don't think the jokes or even laughter from them means you condone rape or accepting of it. I just think it is a joke and doesn't reflect on someones true feelings. Rape is terrible and what happened in this city is utterly disgusting. It's kind of crazy because I only live an hour away and know a few people from there. Ha.

The jokes made are not a reflection of most people's true feelings (which I've already said) but I do think it's a reflection on our society and I think it really shows how nobody sees it as that much of a big deal. Honestly, I just wish everyone would think for about an hour about what it would be like to be raped by 18 men, think about the fear you'd have, the disgust you'd feel. Or just think about waking up in the middle of the night to a man (who you know) standing over you with nothing but some underwear that's slightly pulled down. Think about that horror and confusion that would flash through your mind. Think about trying to tell people about it but them ignoring it, brushing it off. Think about how often you'd want to take a shower to scrub his smell and the feel of his skin off you. Wanting to take a shower but being afraid to while people are home and at the same time being afraid to shower when you're alone. Losing the trust you have for everyone, feeling uncomfortable when you're alone with a man even if it's just your doctor. Constantly thinking that you did something wrong, or you didnt do enough to prevent it. Think about how hard it would be to sleep, trying to block the door so that nobody can come in at night ever again. All of the horrible night's sleep you'd get because every sound in the house makes you wonder if you're safe. Not wanting to shut your eyes because every time you do you feel like you're right there again, but wanting to sleep all day so that you dont have to deal with anything.

I dont think anyone who hasnt been through it can honestly think about all of that in depth for even a little while. I dont think people really realize the severity of it, so certain things like jokes are just acceptable. There was a kid who tried to bring up the puppy throwing thing and my joke in that thread, everyone went up in arms about it, all the while, rape jokes or telling people that they deserve to get raped are perfectly okay.

[saysmydoctor]

Reminds me of the time a neighbor of mine got caught feeling up a 12 year old in the woods and his defense was "her myspace said she was 14." This is fucking stupid, so very stupid. These men need to be castrated. How do you get 17 of your closest friends together to rape an 11 year old kid?
Yes, solving rape with rape always works.

[wroteurname]

Yes, solving rape with rape always works.

Code of Hammurabi bitchesssssssssssssss

[icantdecide]

Too fucked up. Faith in humanity = significantly lowered.

[SiriusBusiness]

You can't really hold these young black men accountable for perpetrating this atrocity. Their ancestors were slaves and all.
Ugh. I hope you're joking. This is pedophile rape, remember?

[SiriusBusiness]

I can't even wrap my mind around these things.
Neither can I. It's just... Evil...

[EchoPark]

Ugh. I hope you're joking. This is pedophile rape, remember?


I'm glad someone finally caught on to my satirical disdain in my statement.

[SiriusBusiness]

I'm glad someone finally caught on to my satirical disdain in my statement.
Yeah, the idea of ou being serious was sort of put off by the fact Isaac Clarke is your avatar.

[GODMACHINE]

Reminds me of the time a neighbor of mine got caught feeling up a 12 year old in the woods and his defense was "her myspace said she was 14." This is fucking stupid, so very stupid. These men need to be castrated. How do you get 17 of your closest friends together to rape an 11 year old kid?

Make a facebook event.

[JoshSalas]

Make a facebook event.

True-che well played.

[deanofpunk]

shit happens

[CircaKnives]

Trying to find words to describe this, I honestly can't. There are no words that properly describe or even summarizes any (Facebook) event like this. At no point is ANY form of rape or sexual assault justifiable. Not only was it ONE person who raped an ELEVEN YEAR-OLD GIRL, but it was SEVENTEEN PEOPLE!!! Realistically, this girl was in 5th grade. She is in grade school. This is simply sickening and at no point would I ever show sympathy for any of the perpetrators.