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Colinmac36
03/15/11, 03:51 PM
Okay, we have a blog for my history class amount certain world issues and such, and this week's was Muslim Stereotyping in America. Personally, I feel that many people in my school are quite ignorant on this topic, so i wanted to get your guys opinions on the stereotyping of Muslims in America. Watch This first:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/03/09/exp.am.intv.repking.cnn?iref=allsea rch

Is this another witch hunt in the making? Is this organized discrimination? Or is this a needed tool to prevent future harm to Americans? If you argue against these measures then what would you say to the victims of former attacks? If you argue for these trials then how do you respond to arguments that this is anti-constitutional or a new red scare?

Personally i feel that, Even though most Americans are under a fallacy that we are at war with Islam, that is certainly not the truth. When we invaded Iraq, George Bush made it clear that this was not a war on Islam, rather a war on terrorism. Trying to uncover something like extremists in Islamic mosques in America that probably do not exist is extremely dangerous, and a slippery slope that could lead to open hate crimes and hate speech, that of which should never be accepted in the United States of America, which is the most accepting country in the world. Obviously, this is an extremely touchy subject for various reasons. Reasons such as right to privacy for American born Muslims, freedom to practice any religion, as well as upsetting Islamic countries due to this condemnation of Muslims in America. Just because maybe what, an extremely small and minuscule percent out of over 6 billion people in the world and 1.6 of which are Muslims are Muslims extremist is outrageous. I know this may sound outrageous, but this is similar to saying that we're going to try to find every radical catholic in the United States because the IRA exists. The fact of the matter is that, there always will be nut jobs and extremists out there who will always misinterpret religion, and make it violent. The way to prevent future acts of terrorism is not by spending money to go spy on religious centers such as mosques but to continue to make strides in homeland security, that will ultimately keep us the safest because no matter how hard you try you can never rid the whole world of every single terrorist. Furthermore, is putting Muslims on trial not similar to The Patriot Act? The Patriot Act lets the government, FBI, and CIA look through bank transactions, phone calls, texts messages, and such of suspected terrorists. Is this not different than "putting Muslims on trial" for suspected terrorism, especially if their is no clear cut evidence of someone potentially being harmful to the United States of America. I do agree and can take the Patriot Act and as an American citizen because I do feel the Patriot Act was a necessary evil for protection even if it did take away some of our rights, because government's main job is to keep the people safe.
However, trying to spy or condemn a certain group due to stereotype is to far for me to go, that is pushing the limits of what is necessary and what is not.
Furthermore, I believe our generation is extremely accepting of many things such as gay marriage and rights and things of the nature. With that being said I believe Americans need to be more accepting of Muslims and start to disregarded the extremely false perception that "almost every Muslim is an extremists". However, a clear example of this belief is last year's extremely large debate on the mosque being built two blocks from ground zero. Even though their are many Muslims who live in New York City, about one million to be exact, becasue Muslim extremists committed this brutal crime against America on 9/11 people claimed building a mosque near ground zero was "insensitive" to 9/11 victims, even though just because radicals committed the crime, and have absolutely no similar beliefs to regular good willed Muslims people were still skeptical. This is a clear instance of discrimination. Not only that but their were Muslims who died in the attacks on 9/11, as well as, there was a mosque that was previously there before the 9/11 attacks, and the man looking to build this has appeared on Sixty Minutes and claimed he is not doing it for any reason but to get the Muslims community to come together to build not only a religious center, but also a community center. All these issues need to be brought up because it all of it contributes to the hysteria that Americans have falsely perceived Muslims to be, a large part of it is the media's fault. Overall, this debate clearly stretches through a number of issues, topics, debates, and rights issues which it is why it is so controversial. I do not think we need to take these extreme measures because it is extremely discriminatory against a huge group of people, that becasue a small percent have misinterpreted the religion and made it to be violent.Finally, what I would say to the victims of previous attack is that put yourself in a Muslim person's shoes. Obviously, you would think it would be ludicrous to condemn a huge amount of people because of a couple sour grapes. Not only that but I would mention what the nation was built on a, a feeling of being safe under the constitution as an American citizen, no matter who you are, where you're from, what religion you practice, your sexuality, race, or gender. I would say that the best safety is being proactive not by spying or going against the constitution but by making sure we as a country are as safe and secure as possible, becasue it was extremely apparent on 9/11 we weren't. That is how to prevent another attack, and it has prevented multiple attacks because we have raised our security, and by this 9/11 victims are somewhat heroes becasue when they died they saved many other American lives that could have been in danger of attacks if our security was not as good.

caveBEAR
03/15/11, 04:23 PM
tl;dr

Break that sucker up a bit...

Sunmaid
03/15/11, 04:36 PM
Even though most Americans are under a fallacy that we are at war with Islam,

most Americans are under a fallacy

under a fallacy

fallacy

caveBEAR
03/15/11, 05:01 PM
Even though most Americans are under a fallacy that we are at war with Islam,

most Americans are under a fallacy

under a fallacy

fallacy

You act like something being 'not true' has any bearing on whether people believe it or not.

That's a rookie mistake.

saturday_snow_squall
03/15/11, 05:10 PM
christ. you gotta condense this if you really want people to read it

Sunmaid
03/15/11, 05:14 PM
You act like something being 'not true' has any bearing on whether people believe it or not.

That's a rookie mistake.
The rookie mistake in question was Colin's deplorable grammar. "Under a fallacy"? Man, really?

Juan Jose
03/15/11, 05:22 PM
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zephyrsong12345
03/15/11, 05:22 PM
love to give my say on this, but there's no way in fuck I'm reading that essay. give a short version.

Mibabalou
03/15/11, 05:23 PM
but but

spiffa0
03/15/11, 05:24 PM
a possible interesting thread turns into shit because someone doesn't know how to use bullet points or SHORT and to the point paragraphs

zephyrsong12345
03/15/11, 05:25 PM
however, I DID read the very last line, when you said that 9/11 victims are heroes because they saved American lives by raising security.
The hell...? hundreds of people dead isn't really a "phew, at least NOW we know!"

caveBEAR
03/15/11, 05:26 PM
God, it's like a dictionary vomited up there...

loveisdead
03/15/11, 05:32 PM
You really do need to edit that sucker. Run on sentences and misuse of words take away from any and all points you're making.

zephyrsong12345
03/15/11, 05:34 PM
Clusterfuck of information might have been okay if it was at least eloquent.

StephenYoung
03/15/11, 05:35 PM
muslim stereotype in America: They're taking over the world. First Campbell soup, next... The government? IT'S THE WHITE HOUSE, NOT THE BROWN HOUSE

zephyrsong12345
03/15/11, 05:40 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RVkUgdfuJtg/TW2fABfnu6I/AAAAAAAAElo/tOJQoxlmn7s/s1600/31633.jpg

PandaBear!
03/15/11, 05:43 PM
LOL @ people afraid of a bit of reading. I've read it, understand it except for one thing, and agree with the general point of the post (as much as an Englishman could).
The one bit i dont get is the use of the word 'spy' in "However, trying to spy or condemn a certain group due to stereotype is to far for me to go"

You really do need to edit that sucker. Run on sentences and misuse or words take away from any and all points you're making.

Do you mean misuse OF words? You really need to edit this sucker.

.dot
03/15/11, 05:51 PM
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Didn't read the op thread. But a lot of Americans are pretty racist when it comes to Muslims.

loveisdead
03/15/11, 05:56 PM
LOL @ people afraid of a bit of reading. I've read it, understand it except for one thing, and agree with the general point of the post (as much as an Englishman could).
The one bit i dont get is the use of the word 'spy' in "However, trying to spy or condemn a certain group due to stereotype is to far for me to go"



Do you mean misuse OF words? You really need to edit this sucker.

That is what I meant. Luckily for me, I made the post on a website that allows editing. He's writing an essay that's going to be graded, so he should be more diligent in the words he chooses and the way he presents his points.

EchoPark
03/15/11, 05:57 PM
To OP. Certainly excellent topic to discuss.

As a Christian Arab-American(with Muslim relatives), I'd be interested to hear your opinions on this. But I can't make any sense of your essay. As someone else suggested, try making a bulletpoint or at least break it up into paragraphs

David87
03/15/11, 06:04 PM
I feel bad for the Muslims...they are the GOP/intolerant American's next target, now that they realize they're losing the war on Gays.

zephyrsong12345
03/15/11, 06:05 PM
Muslims have been a perpetual target since 9/11. The war on gay rights doesn't do all that much to dilute the discrimination...

Love As Arson
03/15/11, 06:08 PM
It is the sort of racism and prejudice that helps bolster fear of the other and allows for the war on terror to continue, despite its being a sham. As for extremism, there was a study that showed that the majority of terror plots now being undertaken are by right-wing zealots, however, that will never make the news, as they are largely populated by whites.

codhoppers
03/15/11, 06:38 PM
its not stereotypes if its true

David87
03/15/11, 06:38 PM
Muslims have been a perpetual target since 9/11. The war on gay rights doesn't do all that much to dilute the discrimination...


Yeah but that was like a quick rise and fall....there's usually a main target that's the "biggest problem with America"...for a while it was the blacks, then it was the gays....but that battle is being lost and right now the top spot has two contenders...the Muslims and the Latinos.

loveisdead
03/15/11, 06:39 PM
its not stereotypes if its true

Go on....

codhoppers
03/15/11, 07:24 PM
Go on....

then its the truth

David87
03/15/11, 07:28 PM
In that case...all Republicans are racist!


glad we got that settled.

kemppettyjohn
03/15/11, 07:33 PM
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130712737

Colinmac36
03/15/11, 07:37 PM
I was just trying to bring up this topic not be an english master. I would`ve shortened it but honestly its like a page of reading its not that big of a deal. It all ties together in the fact that multiple things cause ignorant Americans to believe that all muslims are terrorists. And the grammar in that was not bad at all, granted a few mistakes, but overall, not bad. It was what I wrote for my blog and i thought it was pretty good, as well as most of my peers. I just wanted a little topic of conversation/debate.

jaredisrad_9
03/15/11, 07:38 PM
The second they stop trying to blow up our shit is when I'll think twice on a stereotype. You're a fucking liar if you say you don't get a little nervous around a dude in a turban and robe with no baggage.

Colinmac36
03/15/11, 07:38 PM
Even though most Americans are under a fallacy that we are at war with Islam,

most Americans are under a fallacy

under a fallacy

fallacy

haha point made, what should i have said. have a fallacy that?

loveisdead
03/15/11, 07:40 PM
The second they stop trying to blow up our shit is when I'll think twice on a stereotype. You're a fucking liar if you say you don't get a little nervous around a dude in a turban and robe with no baggage.

Bye now.

Smash Adams
03/15/11, 07:41 PM
The second they stop trying to blow up our shit is when I'll think twice on a stereotype. You're a fucking liar if you say you don't get a little nervous around a dude in a turban and robe with no baggage.
I didn't know Juan Williams posted here

Colinmac36
03/15/11, 07:42 PM
people who don`t want to read:bullet points will be made tomorrow. i really do what people`s opinions of the topic and what i said.

Sunmaid
03/15/11, 07:42 PM
haha point made, what should i have said. have a fallacy that?
have a misconception/disbelief/delusion

loveisdead
03/15/11, 07:44 PM
have a misconception/disbelief/delusion

This. You're trying to force the word fallacy into your essay and I'm not sure you have a full grasp of the word.

Sunmaid
03/15/11, 07:48 PM
This. You're trying to force the word fallacy into your essay and I'm not sure you have a full grasp of the word.
it just doesn't fit in with the sentence he's got, painful syntax
the brunt of the whole issue is that they are misinformed, their opinions are thus fallacious or something

Colinmac36
03/15/11, 07:48 PM
This. You're trying to force the word fallacy into your essay and I'm not sure you have a full grasp of the word.

i did look it up before using it and it said something similar to misconception, not the truth, so i tried to use it no big deal.

loveisdead
03/15/11, 08:02 PM
i did look it up before using it and it said something similar to misconception, not the truth, so i tried to use it no big deal.

Yeah no big deal at all. Stick with misconception though, cause fallacy is a bit more complex and you'll accomplish the same goal using misconception. If you want help with your essay or anything feel free to PM me.

deFobbed14yrs
03/15/11, 08:03 PM
It's like trying to read a lab report.....impossible.

But yes, ignorant people/some Republicans will say all Muslims are terrorists. Either because they are too stupid to figure out the absurdity of their remarks or because they want to win a politcal seat/stir up controversy/ do that bullshit "I'm an AMERICAN" crap.

zephyrsong12345
03/15/11, 08:04 PM
know what? imma read it.

David87
03/15/11, 08:06 PM
The second they stop trying to blow up our shit is when I'll think twice on a stereotype. You're a fucking liar if you say you don't get a little nervous around a dude in a turban and robe with no baggage.


They? They who?

loveisdead
03/15/11, 08:11 PM
They? They who?

He's gone now.

deFobbed14yrs
03/15/11, 08:11 PM
Also Rep. King is an idiot.

zephyrsong12345
03/15/11, 08:21 PM
Dunno if you're looking for criticism, OP, but your thoughts are quite disorganized, not to mention largely grammatically incorrect.
Opinionated points on touchy subjects need to be well-phrased, or else the whole thing goes to shit.

David87
03/15/11, 08:22 PM
He's gone now.

Damn it. That was one of the easiest traps to set in history.

EchoPark
03/15/11, 10:26 PM
The second they stop trying to blow up our shit is when I'll think twice on a stereotype. You're a fucking liar if you say you don't get a little nervous around a dude in a turban and robe with no baggage.


Sikhs wear the turbans, not Muslims.


I feel very nervous around young white men in Dale Jr. t-shirts.

Chris92
03/15/11, 11:03 PM
Kid's got his heart in the right place he just comes off like a bit of a fucking idiot.

zion the lion
03/16/11, 01:12 AM
He's gone now.

You could have waited for someone to let me know if turbans are actually a Muslim thing or just a Sikh thing. And for him to clarify on that robe thing, because I have no clue what he was talking about there.

Ricketts
03/16/11, 03:03 AM
How am I supposed to know the difference between a radical muslim and a 'good' muslim when I see one? That being said, I think anyone who believes in God is to some degree, worth being afraid of (I'm looking at you, Bible-thumpers).

kwsqd
03/16/11, 06:15 AM
How am I supposed to know the difference between a radical muslim and a 'good' muslim when I see one? That being said, I think anyone who believes in God is to some degree, worth being afraid of (I'm looking at you, Bible-thumpers).
what the fuck?

jawstheme
03/16/11, 06:29 AM
This thread is a mess.

topher465
03/16/11, 09:17 AM
How am I supposed to know the difference between a radical muslim and a 'good' muslim when I see one? That being said, I think anyone who believes in God is to some degree, worth being afraid of (I'm looking at you, Bible-thumpers).

Why do you say that?

animefan13LPfn1
03/16/11, 09:45 AM
The second they stop trying to blow up our shit is when I'll think twice on a stereotype. You're a fucking liar if you say you don't get a little nervous around a dude in a turban and robe with no baggage.

And you can leave right about now.

animefan13LPfn1
03/16/11, 09:46 AM
How am I supposed to know the difference between a radical muslim and a 'good' muslim when I see one? That being said, I think anyone who believes in God is to some degree, worth being afraid of (I'm looking at you, Bible-thumpers).

The same can be said of any religion, though. (Which I know is what you're saying, I agree, Bible-thumpers can be totally scary.)

jawstheme
03/16/11, 10:01 AM
I believe in God. Fear me.

sauce301
03/16/11, 10:02 AM
it's too bad everyone jumped on this kid for sucking. this could have been a decent thread.

paper halo
03/16/11, 10:12 AM
I believe in God. Fear me.

:shudder:

Thriftstoresuit
03/16/11, 10:13 AM
I believe in God. Fear me.

TERRORIST! Not in my 'merica!

loveisdead
03/16/11, 10:23 AM
it's too bad everyone jumped on this kid for sucking. this could have been a decent thread.

Bump the ground zero mosque thread.

perceptrons
03/16/11, 10:57 AM
Sikhs wear the turbans, not Muslims.


I feel very nervous around young white men in Dale Jr. t-shirts.
Ha.

zephyrsong12345
03/16/11, 12:49 PM
:shudder:

your avatar looks like a massive, toothless version of the Monopoly man. I am significantly frightened.

Ricketts
03/16/11, 04:16 PM
what the fuck?

Shit, dawg.

Why do you say that?

Because devoting your life to a giant, invisible sky-wizard makes me think that person might be a little unstable. :worship:

I believe in God. Fear me.

:ok:

deFobbed14yrs
03/16/11, 04:20 PM
:rohan:

boo?

zephyrsong12345
03/16/11, 04:25 PM
Anyone wanna pose a concrete question? Thread could still be salvaged.

knash9
03/16/11, 07:14 PM
Anyone here actually okay with Peter King's Muslim Hearings?

loveisdead
03/16/11, 07:18 PM
Anyone here actually okay with Peter King's Muslim Hearings?

No.

StillTrying1288
03/16/11, 07:26 PM
Anyone here actually okay with Peter King's Muslim Hearings?


Nope.

zephyrsong12345
03/16/11, 07:28 PM
The banned kid was.

No.

knash9
03/16/11, 07:31 PM
I just want someone to logically defend it. But I think it's impossible

Jake Gyllenhaal
03/16/11, 07:35 PM
I just want someone to logically defend it. But I think it's impossible

I could defend it, but drawing upon conservative rhetoric that I do not agree with.

knash9
03/16/11, 07:40 PM
I could defend it, but drawing upon conservative rhetoric that I do not agree with.

I've seen you do that before but yeah I guess it's an easy argument if your socially conservative

Colinmac36
03/16/11, 08:21 PM
thread trying to be salvaged: do you think muslims are unfairly stereotyped in society? if so why? is it due to ignorance, the media, or maybe even peter king? if you feel this stereotype is justified why?(legitimate answer only, not the would you trust a muslim in an airport crap, that is bullshit)...if this doesn`t work out sorry for trying to create a half decent thread where i could get opinions. i`m not even going to mention the grammar bitchiness because its really not written that poorly.

topher465
03/16/11, 08:32 PM
Because devoting your life to a giant, invisible sky-wizard makes me think that person might be a little unstable. :worship:




Understandable. Bad experiences with religious people?

LostAllways
03/16/11, 11:09 PM
How am I supposed to know the difference between a radical muslim and a 'good' muslim when I see one? That being said, I think anyone who believes in God is to some degree, worth being afraid of (I'm looking at you, Bible-thumpers).

"You would be from Texas. How do you know the difference between a radical Catholic and a 'good' catholic when you see one? How do you know they're not another Timothy McVeigh? What about white people? How do you know they're not all secretly KKK members? And those damn chinks, how am I supposed to know they're not all Seung-Hui Cho's? I mean, how are you supposed to know the difference, right? They're all worth being afraid of for sure, man. Also, even those deists, who believe in some sort of God or supreme being, they're definitely worth being afraid of. If a person is religious at any level, they are worth stereotyping. Sometimes prejudice is justified!"

Read that above paragraph I wrote and tell me how stupid that sounds, you fuck.

Ricketts
03/17/11, 09:08 AM
Understandable. Bad experiences with religious people?

Eh. Yes and no. Nothing life-scarring but when I looked at it from the outside-in I realized how crazy it all sounded. My lack of belief isn't a reaction.

topher465
03/17/11, 09:42 AM
Eh. Yes and no. Nothing life-scarring but when I looked at it from the outside-in I realized how crazy it all sounded. My lack of belief isn't a reaction.

That's good. A lot of people know a lot of people who subscribe to a certain religion but act like total jerks and idiots, and from that, say "Why would I want to be a part of that?", and rightly so.

paper halo
03/17/11, 09:58 AM
your avatar looks like a massive, toothless version of the Monopoly man. I am significantly frightened.

Haha, not a Studio Ghibli fan then? It's Turniphead, from Howl's Moving Castle.