25 killed at Virgina Tech in shooting.

[livethesounds]

from ABC news

BLACKSBURG, Va. Apr 16, 2007 (AP)— A gunman opened fire in a dorm and classroom at Virginia Tech on Monday, killing 21 people in the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history. The gunman was killed, but it was unclear if he was shot by police or took his own life.
"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," said Virginia Tech president Charles Steger. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified."
The university reported shootings at opposite sides of the 2,600-acre campus, beginning at about 7:15 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston, a co-ed residence hall that houses 895 people, and continuing about two hours later at Norris Hall, an engineering building.
Some but not all the dead were students. One student was killed in a dorm and the others were killed in the classroom, Virginia Tech Police Chief W.R. Flinchum.
The name of the gunman was not released. It was not known if he was a student.
Up until Monday, the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history took place in 1966 at the University of Texas, where Charles Whitman climbed to the 28th-floor observation deck of a clock tower and opened fire. He killed 16 people before he was gunned down by police. In the Columbine High bloodbath near Littleton, Colo., in 1999, two teenagers killed 12 fellow students and a teacher before taking their own lives.
After Monday's shootings, all entrances to the campus were closed. The campus was to reopen Tuesday but classes were canceled.
The university set up a meeting place for families to reunite with their children at the Inn at Virginia Tech. It also made counselors available and planned a convocation for Tuesday at the Cassell Coliseum basketball arena.
After the shootings, students were told to stay inside away from the windows.
"There's just a lot of commotion. It's hard to tell exactly what's going on," said Jason Anthony Smith, 19, who lives in the dorm where shooting took place.
Aimee Kanode, a freshman from Martinsville, said the shooting happened on the 4th floor of West Ambler Johnston dormitory, one floor above her room. Kanode's resident assistant knocked on her door about 8 a.m. to notify students to stay put.

my prayers go out to all involved in this tragedy.

[xbrokendownx]

yeah we talked about it in the general thread but i guess it deserves a thread

one of my best friends goes there, but him and all his friends are OK thank god

[deadstar]

This is terrible.

With all the weirdos I know at my school of 1900, I'm surprised stuff like this doesnt happen more often.

I hope everyone who has friends that go there are ok.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

hey i know kaufman goes to school in virginia, i hope he is ok.

[we are cured]

fucking horrible. if there's a hell i hope this guy's balls are chained up 2 in. away from a pool of lava.

[xbrokendownx]

fox news says the death count is 32 now

[Roboman]

I have to go to class, but this is terrible.

[unwritten]

hey i know kaufman goes to school in virginia, i hope he is ok.

I think he goes to Mason.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

thank god!

[littlevictories]

my prayers go out to everyone involved. even from england this tragedy makes me worry about the safety of our countries schools

[unwritten]

This kid really outdid Columbine. This is absolutely disgusting. I hate hearing stuff like this still happening. Fucking losers....kill YOURSELF, leave everyone else alone.

[sayyes]

This is Sickening. I can't imagine losing family or friends in a tragedy like this.

[dont you move]

whoa i changed the channel and the count went from 22 to 32.

apparently there were bomb threats earlier during the week and students thought that this was just another bomb threat.

[bigmike]

Wow, this is incredibly sad. The death count just keeps rising. I saw this at like 11 am and it said like 4 dead, 17 wounded and it just skyrocketed.

Sad, sad day. What the fuck is wrong with people? Honestly, it's disgusting.

[soundofthebrown]

count is at 29.

this is horrible

[Drew Beringer]

:-( wow I have no words.

[hailthewarrior]

Things like this make me just sit in a sad silence. What has this world come too?

[LeftWideOpen]

..and people still oppose strict gun control.

[Throwback]

This is unrelated but two nights ago my friend and I helped break up a fight. The dude who started the fight (and was MUCH bigger than me) was finally apprehended by police. Turns out he had a gun on him the whole time.

People are fucking crazy these days and this is so sad.

[allisterkid]

Fuck this. I never understood why these things occur.

[hailthewarrior]

..and people still oppose strict gun control.

Yes, but at the same time, someone else who also had a gun could've shot him and ended it all before he did anything else. So it's a two way street. Don't wanna start a debate, though.

[RememberFminus2]

this place is fucking depressing as shit right now. the winds fucking blowing theres sirens everywhere. people are trying to leave. its making me feel sick

[livethesounds]

this has already had the feel of a very strange day before i learned of this.
now I'm perturbed as well.
and I don't even know anyone who lives in Virginia.

[exodusfive]

Utterly tragic event. I've been going to Virginia Tech for five years now, and I just can't even start to wrap my head around today. I'm supposed to have class in Norris this week, and I don't think I can step foot in there. Hard feelings to articulate...

[bigmike]

this is what i sent to my friend on AIM as I was watching MSNBC:

this kid called in and said he was in his class at like 9:40 and hear loud pop's and didn't think it was gunshots because he said it wasn't overly loud. then they realized what was going on and the dude was shooting and then left the room after a bit. so him and another kid closed the door and laid down with their feet holding the door closed and the dude came back tried to open the door and started shooting the door like 5-6 times and then just quit trying to open it.

I cannot fucking fathom holding a door close that someone is shooting at/trying to open just so he can kill me.

also:
some girl called in and she said rumor's are that the guy was in a fight with his girl and the RA came and tried to break it up/see what was going on and he shot her and a few other kids around and then went to the class room. Don't know how valid that rumor is, though.

Honestly, I wish someone could've tackled him and like 25 kids could've beat the shit out of the gunman until he stopped breathing. That shit is fucking disgusting. I hate people/humanity.

[livethesounds]

this is what i sent to my friend on AIM as I was watching MSNBC:

this kid called in and said he was in his class at like 9:40 and hear loud pop's and didn't think it was gunshots because he said it wasn't overly loud. then they realized what was going on and the dude was shooting and then left the room after a bit. so him and another kid closed the door and laid down with their feet holding the door closed and the dude came back tried to open the door and started shooting the door like 5-6 times and then just quit trying to open it.

I cannot fucking fathom holding a door close that someone is shooting at/trying to open just so he can kill me.

also:
some girl called in and she said rumor's are that the guy was in a fight with his girl and the RA came and tried to break it up/see what was going on and he shot her and a few other kids around and then went to the class room. Don't know how valid that rumor is, though.

Honestly, I wish someone could've tackled him and like 25 kids could've beat the shit out of the gunman until he stopped breathing. That shit is fucking disgusting. I hate people/humanity.

completely agree. It makes me literally sick to think of what some people are capable of. And if that was the reason for all of this, it makes me even sicker.

[Drew Beringer]

I just pray that none of us will ever have to be in a situation like this. It's utterly horrifying and I don't know what I would do if it happened at my campus.

[bigmike]

Gunman had a 9 mm and a .22. He, reportedly, entered the building to the classroom and chained up the front doors so kids couldn't run out of the building.

This get's even worse. Absolutely disgusting.

[LeftWideOpen]

this isnt the time to do so, but sometime in the future I think there needs to be some discussion as to whether or not how much (or any at all) liability the university holds for not having a quicker response to this crisis. i can't fathom a situation where someone shoots around 50-60 people before being confronted by security/police.

[hailthewarrior]

I read that kids were also jumping out of windows to get away. If this ever happened on any campus I'm out, it'd be scary as hell. I honestly don't know what I'd do.

[Scott Weber]

This event will be one of the defining moments of the decade. So sad, without question the worst school shooting ever.

Update: 31 now dead and CNN confirmed that this is the worst mass shooting in US history.

[Drew Beringer]

So the report right now is 31 killed. My Lord.

[bduke13]

I don't know how to describe this other then it is just crazy.

On a side note I don't like how they are interviewing all these students on the phone on fox news

[Drew Beringer]

I read that kids were also jumping out of windows to get away. If this ever happened on any campus I'm out, it'd be scary as hell. I honestly don't know what I'd do.

Yeah some students were jumping out of the second story windows and just booking out of there. I know that's what I would have tried to do.

[hailthewarrior]

This event will be one of the defining moments of the decade. So sad, without question the worst school shooting ever.

Update: 31 now dead and CNN confirmed that this is the worst mass shooting in school history.

I read on MSN that it's the worst public shooting ever. Not just on a campus.

[livethesounds]

I just pray that none of us will ever have to be in a situation like this. It's utterly horrifying and I don't know what I would do if it happened at my campus.

Gunman had a 9 mm and a .22. He, reportedly, entered the building to the classroom and chained up the front doors so kids couldn't run out of the building.

This get's even worse. Absolutely disgusting.

I was reflecting on this while on my way to take some photos for work....
This morning a bunch of kids were just sitting in class half awake like most of us were today, and in a flash they're dead.
It just seems absolutely unfathomable for something like that to happen. Especially in a place like that.

[LeftWideOpen]

I don't know how to describe this other then it is just crazy.

On a side note I don't like how they are interviewing all these students on the phone on fox news

they are doing it on CNN, too ...the media are vultures nowadays.

[Scott Weber]

I read on MSN that it's the worst public shooting ever. Not just on a campus.
Yeah I meant to say ever, not "in school history." I was typing while watching the news.

[bduke13]

they are doing it on CNN, too ...the media are vultures nowadays.

I mean I understand why they are doing it but I don't know why it is upsetting me. Maybe it is the newscasters 'sympathy' or something

[hailthewarrior]

Yeah I meant to say ever, not "in school history." I was typing while watching the news.

Understandable.

Makes me think of Columbine all over again, but this... just, wow. 31 lives stamped out in a matter of hours for probably some moronic reason.

[allisterkid]

On a sidenote, I always get Livethesounds, Leftwideopen, and Leftstanded all mixed up. No idea why, must be the 'lefts' and the L's.

[dont you move]

ever fall asleep with the tv on? whenever i do that, i can still hear the tv and my dreams are affected by it. i slept in the livingroom last night and my dad was watching the news this morning. i had a dream about a school shooting. for some reason, instead of hearing "virginia tech" i kept hearing "bloomfield high school" (the school my brother and a couple of my friends go to). i dreamt that i called my brother and all i heard was yelling and gunshots on the other line. it felt so real and when i woke up, i was panicked. i asked my dad where the shooting was.

i was terrified and it was only a dream. i can't even begin to imagine how the friends and families of the victims (or even the shooter) are feeling right now. thoughts and prayers go out to them.

[Drew Beringer]

The kid who kept the door closed with his feet is speaking on MSNBC right now.

[bigmike]

Honestly, i cannot turn the news coverage off. And all I'm thinking is what I would do in the same situation and I'm trying to think that I would be a brave one and trying to save other kids and whatnot, but I don't think i would be.

This is just plain disturbing. So sickening. Especially when the reports are coming in that he had multiple magazines and 2 guns and chained the front doors so kids couldn't get out. That and the kid(s) who held the door shut with their feet and tried to come back in and was shooting at the door trying to get in to kill more kids just blows my mind. Disgusting.

[livethesounds]

its sounding more and more like this was a thought out type of thing.
its too early to tell much, but this whole story will only get bigger and probably more distrubing the next few hours/days.

[hailthewarrior]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

The video of the guy who held his feet against the door is on the mainpage.

Titled "Video: 'He Shot Our Teacher'"

The kid is definitely still in shock. It doesn't sound like it's hit him yet what really happened.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

dont understand why they wouldnt lockdown the campus after someone got shot this morning.


va tech is gonna be in a bit of trouble.


dude on fox news is blaming video games, go kill yourself douchebag.

[Drew Beringer]

First person was shot like around 7 and it wasn't reported till 9:40? What the fuck is up with that?

[Drew Beringer]

Don't watch Fox News. Horrible.

[bigmike]

Apparently someone was shot in the dorm at 7 am and notice never got put out to students until 9:22 am and it was by email and there was no mention of the campus being locked down or classes being cancelled or anything.

Wow.
Just wow.

[allisterkid]

First person was shot like around 7 and it wasn't reported till 9:40? What the fuck is up with that?

That's some fucked up shit right there. How can someone be dead... shot... and no one report it that much later. Someone fucked up here, and the situation could have been dealt with and done for earlier.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

my sociology of violence professor is probably going to be on fox news, thats why im watching.


but wow va tech is so fucked.

[Drew Beringer]

Apparently someone was shot in the dorm at 7 am and notice never got put out to students until 9:22 am and it was by email and there was no mention of the campus being locked down or classes being cancelled or anything.

Wow.
Just wow.

Yeah, that's fuckin horrible. What is wrong with campus security?

[LeftWideOpen]

dont understand why they wouldnt lockdown the campus after someone got shot this morning.


va tech is gonna be in a bit of trouble.

seriously ..i can't fathom that.

and i'm not an investigator ..but it sounds like the guy just went nuts after committing the 1st murder. i dont think he planned this whole thing out or else there wouldnt be a 2 hour gap.

[bduke13]

dont understand why they wouldnt lockdown the campus after someone got shot this morning.


va tech is gonna be in a bit of trouble.


dude on fox news is blaming video games, go kill yourself douchebag.

gah I was just going to make a post about that. How fucked up is that? I heard someone else say it in this thread but blaming the media and video games is just easier then blaming the kid or his parents...

[hailthewarrior]

Yeah, that's fuckin horrible. What is wrong with campus security?

If it's anything like the campus security around here (HCC/USF) they were probably hiding. *shakes head*

Just... wow. Vtech has some explainin' to do.

[allisterkid]

I'm geting so fucking sick of GTA getting the blame for this shit. The fact of the matter is video games did NOT create violence.

[livethesounds]

dont understand why they wouldnt lockdown the campus after someone got shot this morning.


va tech is gonna be in a bit of trouble.


dude on fox news is blaming video games, go kill yourself douchebag.

jesus, isnt this card played everytime a shooting happens?

at cnbc.com they have a feature for anyone who witnessed the shootings to write what they saw and add a photo or video if they have it.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

someone is saying that its possible this kid called in bomb threats the past week to see how the campus safety would respond to something like that, and then made up this plan.

but i dont believe that.

[bigmike]

seriously ..i can't fathom that.

and i'm not an investigator ..but it sounds like the guy just went nuts after committing the 1st murder. i dont think he planned this whole thing out or else there wouldnt be a 2 hour gap.
first shooting was in a dorm then when he went to an engineering building and chained up the doors. That seems like he thought it out a bit in between the shootings.

[christopher™]

wow, how horrible.

[livethesounds]

this is making me sicker and sicker by the second. I'm supposed to be working and studying for a two tests when I have spare time. Now im just posting here and watching coverage online.

[bigmike]

gah I was just going to make a post about that. How fucked up is that? I heard someone else say it in this thread but blaming the media and video games is just easier then blaming the kid or his parents...
Exactly. I've played those games but never had the urge to shoot up a campus. To me, it comes back down to parenting and the utter lack of respect people have for guns, people, and just human life in general.

[LeftWideOpen]

first shooting was in a dorm then when he went to an engineering building and chained up the doors. That seems like he thought it out a bit in between the shootings.

yah, in between ..which is why he probably just went nuts and panicked after the 1st murder. otherwise i doubt he'd have waited 2 hours to kill more.

this doesnt sound like it was pre-meditated, like columbine was.

[FondestMemory]

someone is saying that its possible this kid called in bomb threats the past week to see how the campus safety would respond to something like that, and then made up this plan.

but i dont believe that.

yeah, it's possible they're connected. not sure if i believe that or not though.

the whole thing's just weird. shit like this usually doesn't just happen. it's usually thoroughly planned out. but in those cases, there's usually not a two hour gap.

just the fact that it seems like one person did all this damage is absolutely disturbing.

[bigmike]

yah, in between ..which is why he probably just went nuts and panicked after the 1st murder. otherwise i doubt he'd have waited 2 hours to kill more.

this doesnt sound like it was pre-meditated, like columbine was.
It doesn't sound as thoroughly planned as columbine, but, I think after the first one it was relatively thought out.

Either way, just sickening.

[Logan95]

It would be hard to find a shooter within 2 hours on a campus the size of VT. Police/security had no idea where he went after the first shooting and probably thought it would be better to no induce panic and start shutting everything down. Even if they started going on lockdown the shooter could have killed 30+ students. This was a lose-lose situation for law enforcement.

[Scott Weber]

I can't even watch the coverage anymore, it's making me sick.

[bigmike]

It would be hard to find a shooter within 2 hours on a campus the size of VT. Police/security had no idea where he went after the first shooting and probably thought it would be better to no induce panic and start shutting everything down. Even if they started going on lockdown the shooter could have killed 30+ students. This was a lose-lose situation for law enforcement.
Yeah, but it's better to go on lockdown/cancel classes rather then having classrooms full of potential targets. Not to mention it took 2 hours to send out notice to students? that's pretty bush league.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

its better not only for safety reasons but also to protect the university from any lawsuits that are going to be filed.

[bduke13]

I was trying to type something about parents and video games but i can't collect my thoughts

[bduke13]

VT is one of the 3 schools my friend is considering....I wonder if he will still want to go there

[Talib Scottie]

I just, cannot and will not understand.Honestly, I am livid right now.

[soundofthebrown]

Yeah, but it's better to go on lockdown/cancel classes rather then having classrooms full of potential targets. Not to mention it took 2 hours to send out notice to students? that's pretty bush league.

yea definitely agree w/ that. at the first sign of a shooting, they should have sent out a notice, at least to warn the students.

[LeftWideOpen]

i can only pray that there won't be copy-cat shootings.

my gut reaction is no, since these are adults as opposed to 16 year olds, but who really knows what to expect anymore.

[thejetstolehome]

i can only pray that there won't be copy-cat shootings.

my gut reaction is no, since these are adults as opposed to 16 year olds, but who really knows what to expect anymore.

i hope you're right.

[livethesounds]

other people in my office heard the news and were like "oh thats terrible" then went right on working like nothing ever happend. I wish I could care that little when something like that happens. I'm pretty much in a daze.

[bigmike]

i can only pray that there won't be copy-cat shootings.

my gut reaction is no, since these are adults as opposed to 16 year olds, but who really knows what to expect anymore.
My gut reaction is no as well. Then again, i hadn't ever thought about someone killing 31 kids, and himself, at a college campus, either.

[soundofthebrown]

My gut reaction is no as well. Then again, i hadn't ever thought about someone killing 31 kids, and himself, at a college campus, either.

definitely agree. no one could have predicted this to occur. one of my friends goes to va tech, and i talked to him for like 20 seconds. he was pretty much speechless.

[livethesounds]

i can only pray that there won't be copy-cat shootings.

my gut reaction is no, since these are adults as opposed to 16 year olds, but who really knows what to expect anymore.

I wouldn't think so.
This SEEMS to be different than Columbine, but then again, we really don't know that much information yet.

[Drew Beringer]

This Trey Perkins guy was one of the two guys who kept the door shut with feet and he spoke to MSNBC earlier. I don't even know who he can do that, if I was involved in something like that I wouldn't be able to speak, I would be so frazzled.

[Broken Parachute]

Why does bad shit happen on my birthday? This is so fucking sad. It's horrible.

[soundofthebrown]

that is absolutely awful. i mean lining up people and shooting them, my god.

[bigmike]

I can't fathom holding shut a door with another kid because someone is shooting the door/trying to get in just to kill me and other kids in there. I cannot fathom that at all. Like, I can't get my head around that. That's scary.

[Broken Parachute]

I didn't even know about this, I just heard it. When did this all happen?

[soundofthebrown]

the first shooting was at like 7am, and by like 11 there were reports of multiple shootings

[bigmike]

I didn't even know about this, I just heard it. When did this all happen?
First shooting was at 7 AM in a Va Tech dorm. 2 hours passed before any notice was passed on to students and no classes were cancelled and campus wasn't locked down. then around 9:30 the gunman with two guns (a 9 mm and a 22, with multiple clips) went to an engineering building and chained the front doors shut so no one could get out and went classroom to classroom shooting kids.

[Logan95]

I’m sure as more info comes out we’ll hear about why law enforcement thought best to not lockdown or cancel classes. I’m also sure that they will be proven wrong through hindsight. I’m not saying they were in any way right, I’m saying they’re not clairvoyant. Every action they could have taken had possible consequences. For example, they could have sent out a warning and canceled classes causing general pandemonium and students out in the open trying to get back to their housing with a potential killer/sniper on the loose, lockdown the school and chance locking the shooter in a classroom/dorm, keep quiet and have a shooter strike again before they could catch him.

[soundofthebrown]

you still got to warn the students, so that they can look after themselves. most students would try to get and stay indoors. plus the police would be notified and would try to help students get to a "safe" area.

[Broken Parachute]

First shooting was at 7 AM in a Va Tech dorm. 2 hours passed before any notice was passed on to students and no classes were cancelled and campus wasn't locked down. then around 9:30 the gunman with two guns (a 9 mm and a 22, with multiple clips) went to an engineering building and chained the front doors shut so no one could get out and went classroom to classroom shooting kids.Oh my God. That's absolutely horrible. Do they know the motive yet?

[bduke13]

In High School I remember thinking every once and a while how easily something like this could have happened at my school but I never thought it would. Did you or do you guys ever think of that?

[soundofthebrown]

Oh my God. That's absolutely horrible. Do they know the motive yet?

no official word. just rumors.

[bigmike]

I’m sure as more info comes out we’ll hear about why law enforcement thought best to not lockdown or cancel classes. I’m also sure that they will be proven wrong through hindsight. I’m not saying they were in any way right, I’m saying they’re not clairvoyant. Every action they could have taken had possible consequences. For example, they could have sent out a warning and canceled classes causing general pandemonium and students out in the open trying to get back to their housing with a potential killer/sniper on the loose, lockdown the school and chance locking the shooter in a classroom/dorm, keep quiet and have a shooter strike again before they could catch him.
Yes, but you don't wait over 2 hours to notify students. And why are classes not cancelled when there is a murder in a dorm on campus? At the least, classes should've been cancelled.
In High School I remember thinking every once and a while how easily something like this could have happened at my school but I never thought it would. Did you or do you guys ever think of that?
My high school is so succeptable to this sort of thing. I used to think of it alot as well.

[Broken Parachute]

Someone caught it on video or something? They just showed on FoxNews a video and in the background you can hear gunshots.

[Drew Beringer]

I gotta go play basketball or some shit, I need to get my mind off of this for a bit.

[soundofthebrown]

In High School I remember thinking every once and a while how easily something like this could have happened at my school but I never thought it would. Did you or do you guys ever think of that?

crosses my mind when something bad like this happens.

[Logan95]

you still got to warn the students, so that they can look after themselves. most students would try to get and stay indoors. plus the police would be notified and would try to help students get to a "safe" area.

I agree unless law enforcement had reason to suspect the shooter to try and kill more students while they tried to get them to their dorms. They may have suspected that they were going to have a situation like the University of Texas had in 1966.

[bigmike]

Oh my God. That's absolutely horrible. Do they know the motive yet?

no official word. just rumors.
Yeah, rumors a girl said when she called into msnbc were the kid was in an argument with his girlfriend in the dorm and an RA came along to see what was going on and he shot the RA.

Another rumor is a beef with a professor. But I don't know if I buy that one at all.

[Scott Weber]

What's with the font change in every post?

[allisterkid]

In High School I remember thinking every once and a while how easily something like this could have happened at my school but I never thought it would. Did you or do you guys ever think of that?

You never thought it would happen? Maybe not at your particular school, but this kind of shit is bound to happen. Which really sucks, but it only takes on fucked up person and a really really shitty security system for this shit to happen.

This kind of shit is exactly why campus cops suck and they need to start getting some actual enforcement there that doesn't simply think they're hot shit for wearing a badge.

If all the campus cops worry about is underage drinking and a little pot smoking, then this shit is gonna happen.

[soundofthebrown]

You never thought it would happen? Maybe not at your particular school, but this kind of shit is bound to happen. Which really sucks, but it only takes on fucked up person and a really really shitty security system for this shit to happen.

This kind of shit is exactly why campus cops suck and they need to start getting some actual enforcement there that doesn't simply think they're hot shit for wearing a badge.

If all the campus cops worry about is underage drinking and a little pot smoking, then this shit is gonna happen.

kind of agree there, but nothing like this can be foreseen. something like this is just extremely disheartening and unpredictable. you don't know when, where, or if something like this will happen.

[allisterkid]

kind of agree there, but nothing like this can be foreseen. something like this is just extremely disheartening and unpredictable. you don't know when, where, or if something like this will happen.

Agreed. It really is sad, because there is absolutely no way of predicting it. Juss gotta try and start by having good safety standards from the beginning.

Now I'm off to class, wish me safety.

[Broken Parachute]

Do they know if anyone tried to jump him or something? I mean, at least 25 or more of the 60+ hurt or killed had to be guys, did they try to overpower him or something?

And why wasn't the campus shut down after the first murder? I don't get that.

[bigmike]

Do they know if anyone tried to jump him or something? I mean, at least 25 or more of the 60+ hurt or killed had to be guys, did they try to overpower him or something?

And why wasn't the campus shut down after the first murder? I don't get that.
Gunman had 2 guns and multiple clips. One kid said he was at no angle to try and do anything. Plus, things probably were so hectic that your first reaction is to take cover and save yourself.

[soundofthebrown]

Do they know if anyone tried to jump him or something? I mean, at least 25 or more of the 60+ hurt or killed had to be guys, did they try to overpower him or something?

And why wasn't the campus shut down after the first murder? I don't get that.

yea me and my friends were talking about that. they only have reported one shooter, but for one shooter to do that would be pretty tough w/ all those people in the room. there had to have been some bigger guys, probably 250lbs + guys that could have maybe teamed up and taken him down.

they are now saying that shooter may have been asian. (just rumors)

but everyone is saying that the campus should have been closed after the first murder. it doesn't make sense to me either

[thatwasamoment]

I've never had a gun pointed at me, but I'd imagine I'd do whatever he told me.

[livethesounds]

Do they know if anyone tried to jump him or something? I mean, at least 25 or more of the 60+ hurt or killed had to be guys, did they try to overpower him or something?

And why wasn't the campus shut down after the first murder? I don't get that.

you're asking all the questions that nobody knows for sure. basically everything we've told you and posted in here is whats known so far.
I've been checking the updates online every other minute.
Things probably wont be sorted out completlely until later today or tomorrow.

[Logan95]

Do they know if anyone tried to jump him or something? I mean, at least 25 or more of the 60+ hurt or killed had to be guys, did they try to overpower him or something?

And why wasn't the campus shut down after the first murder? I don't get that.


They haven’t given a reason for not shutting down the campus yet. Some of the dead or wounded could have been people that tried to overpower him

[Broken Parachute]

Gunman had 2 guns and multiple clips. One kid said he was at no angle to try and do anything. Plus, things probably were so hectic that your first reaction is to take cover and save yourself.Yeah, I understand that it's pretty hectic. It's gotta be so crazy to be in that situation.

yea me and my friends were talking about that. they only have reported one shooter, but for one shooter to do that would be pretty tough w/ all those people in the room. there had to have been some bigger guys, probably 250lbs + guys that could have maybe teamed up and taken him down.

they are now saying that shooter may have been asian. (just rumors)

but everyone is saying that the campus should have been closed after the first murder. it doesn't make sense to me eitherWhen someone is murdered on campus, the school should be on lockdown without question.

[bigmike]

I understand everyone's "why didn't anyone overpower him, it was just one gunman" sentiment, but he's got a gun. that automatically makes him more powerful then anyone in the classrooms/dorms.

[we are cured]

wow, if this shit happened at rutgers the entire campus would have been locked down immediately.

[bduke13]

yea me and my friends were talking about that. they only have reported one shooter, but for one shooter to do that would be pretty tough w/ all those people in the room. there had to have been some bigger guys, probably 250lbs + guys that could have maybe teamed up and taken him down.

they are now saying that shooter may have been asian. (just rumors)

but everyone is saying that the campus should have been closed after the first murder. it doesn't make sense to me either

I am getting the impression that the shooter didn't line up the kids and shoot them. I am thinking it was very chaotic, like he would just go into certain classrooms and start randomly shooting and then he would leave and go to anothe classroom or something. If it was that chaotic the students would not have had time or had been thinking about taking him down.

Note - I have no idea what happened - I was just speculating

[livethesounds]

I understand everyone's "why didn't anyone overpower him, it was just one gunman" sentiment, but he's got a gun. that automatically makes him more powerful then anyone in the classrooms/dorms.

yea, most peoples first reaction when a guy comes at them firing a gun isnt to jump at him. its to run and hide.

[Broken Parachute]

Only four people didn't get shot in the rooms he went to. FoxNews is interviewing a girl who said that her friend came back to their dorm room and said when he was going around shooting that she played dead essentially and wound up staying alive. Holy shit.

[soundofthebrown]

Yeah, I understand that it's pretty hectic. It's gotta be so crazy to be in that situation.

When someone is murdered on campus, the school should be on lockdown without question.

i know some news channels are reporting that there really is no way, besides e-mail to get through to students. not really a PA system that is able to be broadcast throughout campus. i know here at osu, if something were to occur, there is like an outside pa system, but unless you know that is coming, it is hard to hear and not very easy to understand.

[soundofthebrown]

Only four people didn't get shot in the rooms he went to. FoxNews is interviewing a girl who said that her friend came back to their dorm room and said when he was going around shooting that she played dead essentially and wound up staying alive. Holy shit.

yea i was just listening to that girl talk about it. this is absolutely dreadful.

[Broken Parachute]

i know some news channels are reporting that there really is no way, besides e-mail to get through to students. not really a PA system that is able to be broadcast throughout campus. i know here at osu, if something were to occur, there is like an outside pa system, but unless you know that is coming, it is hard to hear and not very easy to understand.FoxNews/CNN both said that when they decided to go on lockdown they sent a mass email out (I'm pretty sure they said that) and cars went around with PA systems on the roof saying nobody to leave their rooms and stay behind locked doors.

[Logan95]

i know some news channels are reporting that there really is no way, besides e-mail to get through to students. not really a PA system that is able to be broadcast throughout campus. i know here at osu, if something were to occur, there is like an outside pa system, but unless you know that is coming, it is hard to hear and not very easy to understand.

I went to the University of Pittsburgh and it would be impossible to notify all the student or lockdown the campus since it’s basically a city. I would imagine they would face the same problems at a college the size of VT.

[Scott Weber]

I went to the University of Pittsburgh and it would be impossible to notify all the student or lockdown the campus since it’s basically a city. I would imagine they would face the same problems at a college the size of VT.
Seriously, stop writing everything in a different font.

[soundofthebrown]

FoxNews/CNN both said that when they decided to go on lockdown they sent a mass email out (I'm pretty sure they said that) and cars went around with PA systems on the roof saying nobody to leave their rooms and stay behind locked doors.

didn't know about the PA systems on the cars, but i know that i don't really check my e-mail every 2 minutes, e-mail can give details and such, but really not a great way of warning people. the PA system is more effective.

[Iamhome]

Someone caught it on video or something? They just showed on FoxNews a video and in the background you can hear gunshots.
Yeah, what a sad situation...

[Scott Weber]

didn't know about the PA systems on the cars, but i know that i don't really check my e-mail every 2 minutes, e-mail can give details and such, but really not a great way of warning people. the PA system is more effective.
To be fair, it's not like everyone had to read the email to be informed of what was going on. Only a few people probably had to read that to start spreading the word like mad.

[Broken Parachute]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/students.witnesses/index.html

They have the cell phone video a kid took while the shootings happened.

[soundofthebrown]

To be fair, it's not like everyone had to read the email to be informed of what was going on. Only a few people probably had to read that to start spreading the word like mad.

yea good point. the first shooting was at 730, and the e-mail wasn't sent out until 930, that is where it is hard. they should have locked down the school regardless.

[livethesounds]

didn't know about the PA systems on the cars, but i know that i don't really check my e-mail every 2 minutes, e-mail can give details and such, but really not a great way of warning people. the PA system is more effective.

yea, i saw the chain of events, and they sent out 4 emails in the span of like 45 min. I hardly ever check my email given to me from the university, Its probably different at a bigger place like VT, but still...nobody checks email that often. And I'm sure it was no help to the people that it mattered to.

[bduke13]

Did the shooter kill himself or did the police kill him?

[Logan95]

Seriously, stop writing everything in a different font.


I apologize, but I’m copying and pasting my comments from Word because my company randomly blocks AP.net. Long story short I’m too lazy to figure out which font AP.net uses in the forums so I’m using Times New Roman. I’ll try to fix it since it offends you so much.

[Scott Weber]

I apologize, but I’m copying and pasting my comments from Word because my company randomly blocks AP.net. Long story short I’m too lazy to figure out which font AP.net uses in the forums so I’m using Times New Roman. I’ll try to fix it since it offends you so much.
Haha no, I just found it really weird, that's all.

[soundofthebrown]

i understand and totally agree w/ some of the people's points about how the school should have shut down campus and classes after the first shooting. the reason it should have been shut down is because the shooting occurred in a dorm hall and that the shooter was still on the lose, making the campus area unsafe. at that point security should have been increased dramatically and campus should have then been shut down.

[soundofthebrown]

Did the shooter kill himself or did the police kill him?

they don't know yet. a lot of things are yet to be reported or confirmed.

[bigmike]

i get that a college campus has thousands more kids, but why can't there be a campus wide PA system? A speaker in each dorm room, each classroom, etc. I don't get it.

[bduke13]

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_9851.aspx

I found that in the general forum. The bottom lists all sorts of school shootings....it is pretty depressing

[Scott Weber]

i get that a college campus has thousands more kids, but why can't there be a campus wide PA system? A speaker in each dorm room, each classroom, etc. I don't get it.
Because that kind of thing cost a lot of money to install, and funds are being appropriated other places (Some equally important, others not) - plus, it's not like there was much of a precedent for them to have something like that in place. It's really easy to criticize now.

[livethesounds]

i get that a college campus has thousands more kids, but why can't there be a campus wide PA system? A speaker in each dorm room, each classroom, etc. I don't get it.

most universities usually dont. I know some buildings do where I go, but the majority of them dont.
Lots of the buildings are old and it would take a decent amount of money to get them in every room. but i think its needed, yes.

[bigmike]

I keep hearing the gunman killed himself. on MSNBC someone said that fingerprints didn't turn up any info and he had no id on him and since he shot himself, it's hard to identify by face. I thought that's what I heard.

[soundofthebrown]

i get that a college campus has thousands more kids, but why can't there be a campus wide PA system? A speaker in each dorm room, each classroom, etc. I don't get it.

yea i definitely agree. i know it could be pretty difficult, especially at big universities like virginia tech, but even then there needs to be some method of communication or announcement that can get important information out to students and faculty.

[bigmike]

Because that kind of thing cost a lot of money to install, and funds are being appropriated other places (Some equally important, others not) - plus, it's not like there was much of a precedent for them to have something like that in place. It's really easy to criticize now.
In a place like Virginia Tech where Football is enormous, there's enough funds to go around. I heard a place like Ohio State's entire athletic department if funded by revenue from their football program and they still profit afte dolling out funds to other sports. So, at a football school like Va Tech, there's funds around. And if you have to allocate funds from other places to make the campus more safe, i don't know how anyone could argue against that.

[soundofthebrown]

I keep hearing the gunman killed himself. on MSNBC someone said that fingerprints didn't turn up any info and he had no id on him and since he shot himself, it's hard to identify by face. I thought that's what I heard.

va tech official said that they are in the process of identifying the shooter and the victims and that they won't get an official list until tomorrow.

unbelievable.

[bduke13]

Wow I never knew that Columbine happened on 4/20....

[preppyak]

It took me all morning and the better part of the afternoon, but I finally found out that my friends that I went to school with and those I worked with 2 summers ago are ok...thankfully, but today has been a rough day. I'm not sure quite what the affinity my friends have for schools that have tragedies, but I had friends at Tulane and LSU during Katrina, and I had a few others in Florida schools during hurricanes...they keep shortening my life

[bigmike]

Wow I never knew that Columbine happened on 4/20....
Yeah. I remember that because of something about neo-nazis and 4/20 is Hitler's birthday.

[soundofthebrown]

In a place like Virginia Tech where Football is enormous, there's enough funds to go around. I heard a place like Ohio State's entire athletic department if funded by revenue from their football program and they still profit afte dolling out funds to other sports. So, at a football school like Va Tech, there's funds around. And if you have to allocate funds from other places to make the campus more safe, i don't know how anyone could argue against that.

yea i definitely agree with that. they should be able to allocate funds to safety and many people here at osu, feel that there should be better safety and even a better way to get word out to students and staff.

[preppyak]

va tech official said that they are in the process of identifying the shooter and the victims and that they won't get an official list until tomorrow.

unbelievable.
They probably have to contact all the families still, I know I wouldn't want to hear on CNN that my kid was dead...so I expected that to take a day or so...I was just hoping that it might be able to be released tonight when I wasn't in contact with my friends.

[preppyak]

yea i definitely agree with that. they should be able to allocate funds to safety and many people here at osu, feel that there should be better safety and even a better way to get word out to students and staff.

Yeah...I know a lot of the complaints were that students didn't know about the shooting, the first one, until after the second one had even happened...that the school only sent that email out 3-4 hours later

[soundofthebrown]

They probably have to contact all the families still, I know I wouldn't want to hear on CNN that my kid was dead...so I expected that to take a day or so...I was just hoping that it might be able to be released tonight when I wasn't in contact with my friends.

i didn't say "unbelievable" b/c they won't get the list out til tomorrow, b/c i know that they will want to make sure they have correctly identified the student/victim before releasing any information.

[bigmike]

the official press conference confirmed the gunman shot himself.

ABC news reported there was a shooting at an apartment near campus before the first shooting in the dorm.

[soundofthebrown]

the media is destroying the police chief w/ questions.

[The Matt Kaufman]

This is horrible..I know someone mentioned before that I go to school in Virginia and yes I do but I go to George Mason..Ive been in touch with a few people who may know someone or have a relative that go there and they are all ok...my roomate just mentioned that he hasnt heard from a few people though

[bduke13]

the media is destroying the police chief w/ questions.

I think he is doing a good job. He isn't rushing to release details and such

[Broken Parachute]

The police chief is doing a fantastic job of not losing his mind/temper haha these reporters are giving him hell.

[soundofthebrown]

the official press conference confirmed the gunman shot himself.

ABC news reported there was a shooting at an apartment near campus before the first shooting in the dorm.

yea i heard that too. it is just getting way out of hand and becoming more dreadful.

[soundofthebrown]

The police chief is doing a fantastic job of not losing his mind/temper haha these reporters are giving him hell.

haha he is really doing a good job. plus the fact that he doesn't know many details helps him a little bit.

[The Matt Kaufman]

My school is having a vigil tonight at midnight and a "talk" session in our freshman area.

[The Matt Kaufman]

Our police are pretty brutal..Id hope they know how to react to something like this

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

yea good point. the first shooting was at 730, and the e-mail wasn't sent out until 930, that is where it is hard. they should have locked down the school regardless.


the only logical thing that universities should put into effect is a system for emergencies where all students enter their cell phone #'s into a system, and when something like this occurs, a text message gets sent out to everybody.

i know that if an email like this went out at my school, most kids would not check their email before class or something, but every single one of them would check their cell phones because more kids text during class than take notes.

[Broken Parachute]

haha he is really doing a good job. plus the fact that he doesn't know many details helps him a little bit.He must have answered the same question about ten times haha

[soundofthebrown]

i hope that this will help upgrade security at all campuses around the nation and make them re-review their precautions, etc.

[soundofthebrown]

the only logical thing that universities should put into effect is a system for emergencies where all students enter their cell phone #'s into a system, and when something like this occurs, a text message gets sent out to everybody.

i know that if an email like this went out at my school, most kids would not check their email before class or something, but every single one of them would check their cell phones because more kids text during class than take notes.

yea that is true, but either way they need to find a better way to communicate. even if they upgraded security, without notifying people, word would get around.

[The Matt Kaufman]

we'd have a hard time with any system because so many people commute. Text messaging is an effective way but there would be nontraditional students who wouldnt know how to even read it.

[soundofthebrown]

there really won't be any affective way to notify students, b/c you will have commuters and off-campus students who may not be close to any type of PA system. i'm contradicting myself, but the more and more i think about it, the more and more possibilities come up.

[preppyak]

My school is having a vigil tonight at midnight and a "talk" session in our freshman area.

yeah...we have a prayer meeting at 10 tonight...and a "moment of silence" tomorrow from 12:00-12:05

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

we'd have a hard time with any system because so many people commute. Text messaging is an effective way but there would be nontraditional students who wouldnt know how to even read it.


if someone is in college and they dont know how to read a text message......they shouldnt be in college.

the bottom line is, text messaging to every students phone would be the method that would work most effectively.

[soundofthebrown]

if someone is in college and they dont know how to read a text message......they shouldnt be in college.

the bottom line is, text messaging to every students phone would be the method that would work most effectively.

yea it definitely would be the most effective way. and the students who don't get the text messages or can't read them, would find out from other people that would.

[megancecelia]

the only logical thing that universities should put into effect is a system for emergencies where all students enter their cell phone #'s into a system, and when something like this occurs, a text message gets sent out to everybody.

i know that if an email like this went out at my school, most kids would not check their email before class or something, but every single one of them would check their cell phones because more kids text during class than take notes.

not gonna lie. I work at a college- and this is a fabulous idea especially at larger institutions such as VT and totally feasible but the problem is and always will be getting students to submit such information....we have a hell of a time getting emergency information from students...there's just a lot of holes.

I have to say I'm really impressed with this thread.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

yeah it is a really good idea, im full of them.

give me credit (blow job) when you get a promotion

[livethesounds]

I figured these types of posts would come. I should have expected it from some of the general forum ass clowns.
This post was in response to me responding to him making a joke about "they better not be doing this to get out of finals"



oh please.


thousands of people die every day.



stop acting like you people care.


Just another reason I'm glad we have our own general forum here to post in.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

wow i wonder what kind of smileys followed that post

[The Matt Kaufman]

yea it definitely would be the most effective way. and the students who don't get the text messages or can't read them, would find out from other people that would.

precisely..what I meant was that many people who are maybe in their 40s and 50s dont know how to work text messaging but I am sure thered be someone young enough that would help them out

[preppyak]

i hope that this will help upgrade security at all campuses around the nation and make them re-review their precautions, etc.
Oh, it definitely will...especially since it got so much coverage so quickly
i know that if an email like this went out at my school, most kids would not check their email before class or something, but every single one of them would check their cell phones because more kids text during class than take notes.
we'd have a hard time with any system because so many people commute. Text messaging is an effective way but there would be nontraditional students who wouldnt know how to even read it.
Yeah...that would be really effective...and I know if it was broadcast on the colleges TV station here, most people in our campus center, etc would see it...so, I imagine that at a large school that might actually care about campus TV, that would be even more effective.

[The Matt Kaufman]

I just kno George Mason cops would probably not know what to do..I dont have much confidence in them since all they do is bust people for alcohol

[soundofthebrown]

I figured these types of posts would come. I should have expected it from some of the general forum ass clowns.
This post was in response to me responding to him making a joke about "they better not be doing this to get out of finals"



Just another reason I'm glad we have our own general forum here to post in.

wow. i don't know how you could say something like that, even if its a joke.

[The Matt Kaufman]

they need to ban that thebyrus kid..hes just ridiculous

[Scott Weber]

I figured these types of posts would come. I should have expected it from some of the general forum ass clowns.
This post was in response to me responding to him making a joke about "they better not be doing this to get out of finals"



Just another reason I'm glad we have our own general forum here to post in.
Fuck that dude. He's gone for the day.

[Scott Weber]

they need to ban that thebyrus kid..hes just ridiculous
I just did it.

[The Matt Kaufman]

I just did it.

well done weebs. well done

[livethesounds]

wow. i don't know how you could say something like that, even if its a joke.

there's also a photo someone just made of some first person shooter hands from a video game photo shopped onto a picture of VT with big lettering "high score"

I wont bring that shit in here though.
It seems like every time i start going into General, i find a new reason why I should never go back again.
I just never learn.

[megancecelia]

yeah it is a really good idea, im full of them.

give me credit (blow job) when you get a promotion


nice. Even in a discussion about tragedy .....a guy is still a guy.

[livethesounds]

I just did it.

Good job Weebs. I wasn't going to make it personal so i didn't add his name in the quote post, but that dude was seriously being uncalled for.

It's guys like that give people from Texas a bad name.

[megancecelia]

there's also a photo someone just made of some first person shooter hands from a video game photo shopped onto a picture of VT with big lettering "high score"

I wont bring that shit in here though.
It seems like every time i start going into General, i find a new reason why I should never go back again.
I just never learn.


wow...just wow. that makes me totally sick to my stomach.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

Good job Weebs. I wasn't going to make it personal so i didn't add his name in the quote post, but that dude was seriously being uncalled for.

It's guys like that give people from Texas a bad name.


uh.....

[livethesounds]

uh.....

you obviously don't get my meaning?

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

lets not make this about people from texas, just say the kids a jerk cunt and leave it at that.

[livethesounds]

lets not make this about people from texas, just say the kids a jerk cunt and leave it at that.

I didn't mean for it to be about that, and thats not what I was trying to say.

but the kids a jerk cunt.

and im going home.

[Branevember31]

this sucks...the death count keeps increasing.

[Broken Parachute]

this sucks...the death count keeps increasing.How many is it now?

[LeftWideOpen]

How many is it now?

its 33 now .. i think thats where it's going to end. the rest are in serious condition at worst, i believe. nobody is in critical condition.

[Broken Parachute]

its 33 now .. i think thats where it's going to end. the rest are in serious condition at worst, i believe. nobody is in critical condition.Ahhh that sucks. At least they'll pull through.

[allisterkid]

Anyone listening to this complete idiot bitch now on CNN? I don't know who she is but she's fucking talking out of her ass.

First going on about how we need to eliminate all violence from movies, video games, computers, TV, etc. And now she is saying that it's not the fault of the school or police or anyone for not locking the school down and attempting to find their man after the first murder!

[allisterkid]

The bitch on CNN is still on a rampage. I can't stand this lady.

[LeftWideOpen]

33 dead and four hospitals report 29 wounded.

perhaps the craziest development of all ..

Two people were killed in a separate incident about two hours earlier around 7:15 a.m at a dormitory on the campus. University police Chief Wendell Flinchum said police were still investigating whether the two incidents are related.


the fact that there is even question to this is nuts .. i figured it was assumed.

[livethesounds]

Anyone listening to this complete idiot bitch now on CNN? I don't know who she is but she's fucking talking out of her ass.

First going on about how we need to eliminate all violence from movies, video games, computers, TV, etc. And now she is saying that it's not the fault of the school or police or anyone for not locking the school down and attempting to find their man after the first murder!

hm...
i dont agree with the movie, video games things.

I think the locking the school down thing could have been handled a little better, but i dont think anything could have stopped something like this from happening completely.

and dr. phil is on here. ugh.

[livethesounds]

33 dead and four hospitals report 29 wounded.

perhaps the craziest development of all ..

Two people were killed in a separate incident about two hours earlier around 7:15 a.m at a dormitory on the campus. University police Chief Wendell Flinchum said police were still investigating whether the two incidents are related.


the fact that there is even question to this is nuts .. i figured it was assumed.

bout an hour ago the gov. of Virginia announced a state of emergency for the state. the networks dont even really know why because the reports said there was nobody on the loose.

there are also reports that the killer in the first incident did not look like the killer in the second one.

[silver1]

Westboro Baptist Church is going to be ALL OVER THIS. I don't know why I thought of that, but it will be true, you watch. This is absolutely horrible. What a sad, sad day...

[bduke13]

I am really confused right now. I think I heard that there was another news conference at 7:30 EST tonight, did anyone watch that? Is the thing about the two shooters true?

[soundofthebrown]

i hope that this ends pretty soon. it is becoming ridiculous. i hope these shootings are the last of any.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

geraldo just mentioned something about some asian kids facebook that he was shown which shows the asian kid with tons of weapons.

who knows how true that is, it is geraldo.

[aircourtneys]

isn't columbine anniversary in like 4 days?

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

congratulations, you know how to read a calendar

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

ok, this is basically one of the worst things that could ever happen, but could the athletes just stay out of this?

mike vick and deangelo hall both released statements about the incident, and you couldnt convince me ever that either of them wrote the statements themselves. i know they pay people to construct statements, but i dont know, it disgusts me for some reason.

Quarterback Michael Vick said "First and foremost, I am shocked and deeply saddened about the tragic loss of life that took place early Monday on the Virginia Tech campus. My thoughts and prayers are with the families and loved ones involved in this terrible tragedy. It is my hope that the university community can pull together to help the students cope with this senseless and unfortunate ordeal.”

Falcons cornerback DeAngelo Hall
"Words can’t describe how sad I am right now. Everyone who knows me understands the affinity I have for Virginia Tech. My prayers and thoughts are with all of the loved ones and family members involved in this horrible tragedy,"


if deangelo hall actually knew how to spell affinity id be shocked.

[The Matt Kaufman]

I was just at a candelight vigil and it was very moving..I encourage everyone, whatever faith you are, to keep vt in your thoughts.

[The Matt Kaufman]

and just to let you know yankees fan#1 that it is true that there is an asian kid with all these guns on facebook..search for Wayne Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolca noconiosis Chiang...and Im not even joking

edit: His picture was changed..nevermind

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

well... (http://vt.facebook.com/photos.php?&id=6202368&l=d1b29&s=0)

thats certainly not good

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

i dont think its him, but regardless that boy is a disaster.

[livethesounds]

haha, i think they've said the killer isn't from VT, and i bet a lot of people think thats him because of the guns. that sucks for that guy.

[The Matt Kaufman]

that kid needs to be smacked hardcore with all the guns..hes probably doing it for attention

[livethesounds]

the shooter was a VT student.

[thatwasamoment]

wow, google that wayne kids name and go to news. he's not the guy, but its interesting none the less.

[LeftWideOpen]

they identified the student. cho seung-hui, 23 year old english major.

they also know one weapon was used in both shootings ..so they were most likely both by him.

[soundofthebrown]

from a cnn.com article:

"There wasn't a shooting victim that didn't have less than three bullet wounds in them," said Dr. Joseph Cacioppo of Montgomery Regional Hospital.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

"A temporary detention order was obtained and Cho was taken to a mental health facility" on December 13, 2005, he said.


how does someone who was taken to a mental health faciity......get to buy a gun with such ease?

[livethesounds]

anyone see the interview with his to ex roommates.
they took him to a party once and got him drunk, he told them he had an imaginary girlfriend and they had pet names for eacother.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

ok terrific!

[livethesounds]

ok terrific!

haha, theres more.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

i was asking my best friend about his roommate, whom is really shy, doesnt really talk to anyone just like this Va Tech dude, and i get this response:

The Clear sTuFF: did he tell you guys?
AReMMi3443: he told nick
AReMMi3443: he was up on the phone at like 4 in the mornin the night it happened n i thought it was weird but i said wutever n then nick texted me yesterday morn n said mikes friend was one of the kids killed n mike left

[bigmike]

According to an interview of both his roommates (who have thus far have only gone by their first names), John and Andy[43] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_Seung-hui#_note-26), on CNN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN), Cho was "very quiet" and because of his extreme shyness, came off as somewhat rude.[44] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_Seung-hui#_note-27) In the interview, Andy describes Cho standing in the unlocked doorway of his room late at night taking photographs, and placing cellphone calls as "Cho's brother, Question Mark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question_mark)", a name he would also use when introducing himself to girls with whom he was allegedly obsessed. John declined to describe Cho as "mean", conflicting with some other first-hand accounts, preferring to describe him as "quiet". The roommates also said he repeatedly stalked their female friends.[41] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_Seung-hui#_note-Cho_mental_health) Furthermore, as reported in the interview by Gary Tuchman, Cho's roommates revealed that, after having a few beers and finally talking at length, he spoke of an imaginary supermodel girlfriend named "Jelly" who referred to him as "Spanky." [45] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_Seung-hui#_note-28) Cho reportedly took photos of female classmates from under his desk. [46] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_Seung-hui#_note-29)
....

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

im not gonna lie, ive taken pictures of girls in class also.

never had an imaginary girlfriend though, alot of the kids in general forum probably have imaginary girlfriends though.

[StuGrimson]

Isnt an imaginary girlfriend called masturbation?

Anyway, this guy sounds fucked up. At least he is dead.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

Isnt an imaginary girlfriend called masturbation?


oh if thats the case, my imaginary girlfriends pet name is whore or slut.


NBC nightly news is gonna show video from this kid at 630 eastern time.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Art/COVER/070418/STG_Mega_KillerSpeaks_250p.jpg

yikes.

[bigmike]

Wow.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

holy shit his video is creeeeeeeeeeeeptastic

[bigmike]

Yeah, i just saw that. Gave me chills.

[soundofthebrown]

that is freaky as shit.

[Broken Parachute]

Holy shit, this kid was insane. He said that he is going to die like Jesus Christ and he will inspire many. Wow.

[Broken Parachute]

He called the two Columbine kids martyrs in his manifesto.

[soundofthebrown]

unbelievable. gives me the chills.

[icyeyes26]

He called the two Columbine kids martyrs in his manifesto.
did you see it? the manifesto?

[Broken Parachute]

did you see it? the manifesto?Yeah, very creepy.

[icyeyes26]

Yeah, very creepy.
yeah, im creeped out now and i haven't even read it.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

why did he talk like napoleon dynamite?

[deadstar]

why did he talk like napoleon dynamite?
That picture of him with a hammer makes me want to kill him. What a fucking cry for attention.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

i think its a little too late to kill him

[deadstar]

i think its a little too late to kill him
You think?

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

and yeah i really do think