Vince Young to Grace Madden 2008 Cover

[LeftWideOpen]

:bounce:

[LeftWideOpen]

hopefully the madden curse legitimizes itself yet again

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

ahhahahaah livethesounds haahhahahaha

[thejetstolehome]

dear Madden Curse,

please work again.

love,

everyone.

[kshtoinks12]

Leon Washington next!

[preppyak]

haha...where is jdiggity when you need him

[DaveFeelsRight]

hes gonna get fucked up

[DaveFeelsRight]

surprised drew b's boy toy peyton didnt grace the cover. or some random bear.

[xbrokendownx]

lol thats kinda gay

[Broken Parachute]

hahahahahahahaha

[livethesounds]

what?

im calling fake. i need a link.
i thought chad johnson was gonna be on the cover....

[livethesounds]

um..i googled it and i see nothing but speculation. i saw a cover with a shadow of a quarterback on it, but it could really be anyone.

I also read it will be announced on Jimmy Kimmell like tomorrow. not sure if thats true either. most of this is coming off of other message boards.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

what the fuck did you google?

i googled vince young, then clicked on news and i got links to the story.

wired (http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/04/vince_young_lan.html)

nashville paper (http://www.dicksonherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070416/SPORTS01/70416089)

[Scott Weber]

I guess the new trend in video games is to put overrated quarterbacks with dismal QB ratings on the cover?

[livethesounds]

what the fuck did you google?

i googled vince young, then clicked on news and i got links to the story.

wired (http://blog.wired.com/games/2007/04/vince_young_lan.html)

nashville paper (http://www.dicksonherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070416/SPORTS01/70416089)

hm... "vince young madden 08"

well, if the trend continues titans fans can look forward to seeing Kerry Collins a lot more next year.
im fucking thrilled.

[livethesounds]

I guess the new trend in video games is to put overrated quarterbacks with dismal QB ratings on the cover?

i would have never though he would deserve the cover this early in his career. sure all the awards his rookie season were nice, but...jeez.

[marrost]

hopefully the madden curse legitimizes itself yet againMadden has cursed the Titans if Vince Young starts every game this season.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

you cant even google correctly, how are you living?

[livethesounds]

you cant even google correctly, how are you living?
:shrug:
you got me.

[soundofthebrown]

hahahaha

[iihungrieii]

vince young will be the first to break the curse. no joke

[bigmike]

hopefully the madden curse legitimizes itself yet again
I've never wanted to believe in a curse so badly, until now.

[Drew Beringer]

vince young will be the first to break the curse. no joke

lawl prz


My prediction of the Titans finishing last in the AFC South just keeps on getting better.

[xearlynovemberx]

......

[Gabe Borquez]

hopefully...this will hold true.

"People said when they put Vince on the cover of Sports Illustrated (that) it was going to jinx him in the Rose Bowl game, and (Texas) won the national championship." - Major Adams (Vince's Agent)

[Gabe Borquez]

I guess the new trend in video games is to put overrated quarterbacks with dismal QB ratings on the cover?

overrated? yeah. about that. single-handedly won the national championship and led a very incomplete team to a decent season last year. all he did was make plays.

[smokedsanity]

overrated? yeah. about that. single-handedly won the national championship and led a very incomplete team to a decent season last year. all he did was make plays.

National Championship? "yeah. about that."....since when did collegiate accomplishments mean anything in the NFL, once the draft is over? I don't even need to name the many great college players that didn't quite hack it in the pros. Young, in no way, deserves this cover. Let him have a few good seasons, or maybe actually make the playoffs and not just come close, and then I'll be much more keen on him gracing the cover. There are far more deserving players.

[nfggc10]

hopefully...this will hold true.

"People said when they put Vince on the cover of Sports Illustrated (that) it was going to jinx him in the Rose Bowl game, and (Texas) won the national championship." - Major Adams (Vince's Agent)
What a fool. The Sports Illustrated jinx doesn't even come close to the Madden one. Look at Tiger Woods, he's been on that cover at least a dozen times and I think he's done alright....

[nfggc10]

overrated? yeah. about that. single-handedly won the national championship and led a very incomplete team to a decent season last year. all he did was make plays.
You must be one of those people who think Michael Vick is a great qb, right?

[livethesounds]

blah blah blah

[thejetstolehome]

I guess the new trend in video games is to put overrated quarterbacks with dismal QB ratings on the cover?

oh snap!

[leftstranded]

the only reason i can think of them putting vince on the cover would be because NO ONE else wanted it

they said "well we have no other option left, we have to go back to madden.........oh.........wait..... .....we can get vince young on the cover"

[thejetstolehome]

overrated? yeah. about that. single-handedly won the national championship and led a very incomplete team to a decent season last year. all he did was make plays.

:hitself:

You must be one of those people who think Michael Vick is a great qb, right?

:nod:

[leftstranded]

You must be one of those people who think Michael Vick is a great qb, right?
anyone who thinks that needs to be shot

[nfggc10]

the only reason i can think of them putting vince on the cover would be because NO ONE else wanted it

they said "well we have no other option left, we have to go back to madden.........oh.........wait..... .....we can get vince young on the cover"haha most likely and hell, even Madden himself stopped being on the cover years ago...

anyone who thinks that needs to be shotDefinitely and I'm glad to see some progress with fans around here who think he's awful. I've always hated the Falcons but I would hate them much less if they got rid of that thug.



And to the person who said they were surprised Peyton isn't on the cover, I think it's safe to assume that he's turned it down numerous times by now.

[LeftWideOpen]

the worst part about this is that the titans are probably going to be nasty in Madden, and they are primed to choke and burn in real life.

[nfggc10]

the worst part about this is that the titans are probably going to be nasty in Madden, and they are primed to choke and burn in real life.Haha yeah most likely. I'm sure Vince will be 95 or 96 overall....

[LeftWideOpen]

Haha yeah most likely. I'm sure Vince will be 95 or 96 overall....

yeah and thats entirely unwarranted. 90 .. I can deal with. Anything higher that places him in the top tier of QB's, thats just b.s.

[Scott Weber]

overrated? yeah. about that. single-handedly won the national championship and led a very incomplete team to a decent season last year. all he did was make plays.
Sorry buddy. Vince's QB rating was atrocious and he won the ROY award over several people who deserved it far more than him, and launching him into the cover of Madden is ridiculous considering the caliber of players who have been on it before. Fuck me, I'm getting physically angry about the whole VY thing again because of all the ignorant, homer shit I read here about this guy. The NFL is not the college football game, that'd be like me defending Eric Crouch by saying "UMMMMM DID U SEE WHAT HE DID AT NEBRASKA? YEAH HES AMAZING." And it's not like Chris Leak is going to be a good NFL QB either.

No. He's Michael Vick with a weaker arm and less agility. QBs in the NFL who tuck it and run instead of learning how to be effective pocket passers DO NOT win championships. Overrated. Fact. Even most VY fans should know by now that he's overrated - unless they forgot about all the passes he sailed, threw into the ground, or into opponents hands all year long.

[Brownpants06]

there goes his ACL

[Drew Beringer]

the worst part about this is that the titans are probably going to be nasty in Madden, and they are primed to choke and burn in real life.

They'll have the Titans better than the Colts and Vince Young will be 99 in speed, only behind the 100 rating of Devin Hester.

[preppyak]

I have to believe a lot of people turned it down...LT or Peyton had to be their first options, and then they went from there. You can't get mad at Vince if nobody else wanted it...I mean, there is no way they went to Vince before Peyton or LT or players like that.

Does he deserve it...not really...but if it falls to him, I'd take it, if for nothing else because it'd be cool to be on a video game cover. If we find out he got it over someone who deserved, I'll be mad...otherwise its just a game cover that nobody wanted

[STSakaTRUTH]

I have to believe a lot of people turned it down...LT or Peyton had to be their first options, and then they went from there. You can't get mad at Vince if nobody else wanted it...I mean, there is no way they went to Vince before Peyton or LT or players like that.

NO ONE TURNS DOWN THE COVER OF MADDEN... haha idk, they usually put people on the cover because they are trying to push a certain angle the game will be taking... Must be something with the young players...??? idk seems weird to me.

[preppyak]

NO ONE TURNS DOWN THE COVER OF MADDEN... haha idk, they usually put people on the cover because they are trying to push a certain angle the game will be taking... Must be something with the young players...??? idk seems weird to me.
Yeah...I could see that...but, I'd have put Leinhart on as readily as Young...in terms of marketability (which is what they care about). It just does seem like an odd choice

[notoaststereo]

thats prety awesome

[STSakaTRUTH]

Maybe its the year of the gamebreaker? idk just throwing some stuff out there.

[livethesounds]

the worst part about this is that the titans are probably going to be nasty in Madden, and they are primed to choke and burn in real life.

um...idk if they will really "choke and burn", cause if they're gonna suck next year, they will just plain suck. no choking involved.

I'm still not prepared to throw away 08 just yet though

Vince is gonna do an online chat on espn sportsnation in 30 min regarding the cover and the coming up season. dont wanna miss that.

[nfggc10]

um...idk if they will really "choke and burn", cause if they're gonna suck next year, they will just plain suck. no choking involved.

I'm still not prepared to throw away 08 just yet though

Vince is gonna do an online chat on espn sportsnation in 30 min regarding the cover and the coming up season. dont wanna miss that.I hope he can type better than he can speak....

[livethesounds]

I hope he can type better than he can speak....

hes not that bad. nothing compared to say a joakim noah.

[nfggc10]

hes not that bad. nothing compared to say a joakim noah.
Haha yeah I suppose but Young still sounds so uneducated that it makes his interviews/press conferences tough to listen to.

[livethesounds]

Haha yeah I suppose but Young still sounds so uneducated that it makes his interviews/press conferences tough to listen to.

does he? hm...it seems like every time i see him he talks relatively normally. or like most black guys anyway.

[LeftWideOpen]

does he? hm...it seems like every time i see him he talks relatively normally. or like most black guys anyway.

oof.

[livethesounds]

oof.

ugh, you know what i meant. I didn't mean for that to be any type of racist statment.

[FondestMemory]

ugh, you know what i meant. I didn't mean for that to be any type of racist statment.

typical white guy.

[nfggc10]

ugh, you know what i meant. I didn't mean for that to be any type of racist statment.Haha well it's the truth among young, black athletes anyway. Alot of them mumble or sound uneducated in general.

[Scott Weber]

ugh, you know what i meant. I didn't mean for that to be any type of racist statment.
except it totally was, haha. Vince Young talks like a dumb shit, not like "most black guys." Go listen to somebody like Jerry Rice or even somebody like Daunte Culpepper do an interview...then listen to Vince stumble and mumble. It's a good thing that guy's got football.

[FondestMemory]

ugh, you know what i meant. I didn't mean for that to be any type of racist statment.

honestly, i have no idea what you meant. i'm not dubbing you a racist, but it comes off very stereotypical.

sure, a lot of them sound like idiots when they talk, but so do a lot of white athletes. or white people in general.

just seemed like a silly and unneccesary thing to say.

[livethesounds]

except it totally was, haha. Vince Young talks like a dumb shit, not like "most black guys." Go listen to somebody like Jerry Rice or even somebody like Daunte Culpepper do an interview...then listen to Vince stumble and mumble. It's a good thing that guy's got football.

I shouldn't have said "most" black guys. thats my bad. and i apologize for that.

[livethesounds]

well that was a waste of time. he answered like 5 questions and they were mostly like...."Yo vince, 360 or ps3?". ughh

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I shouldn't have said "most" black guys. thats my bad. and i apologize for that.
Willis McGahee doesn't even speak. He opens his mouth into one ginormous mumble.

[livethesounds]

ESPN.com is gay, the Vince Young chat wasn't an "In" feature, it was just a regular one. Then he announced that he will be on the cover and they slapped the "In" feature on it like it was freaking inside information.

[thejetstolehome]

oof.

el oh el.

[AshesAshes]

Might as well put Jake Plummer on it or even Kordell Stewart

[corybarker]

Might as well put Jake Plummer on it or even Kordell Stewart


Kordell dominated in the newest season of Pros v. Joes. I don't even think Plummer could make the Joes squad on that show.

I loved Kordell when he played 31 positions. He was like the Baskin Robins of the NFL. Too bad he decided to take himself seriously and think he was a good QB only.

[startBBtoday]

anyone have the vince young wonderlic saved?

[livethesounds]

damn you people.

[MIKEY_HORROR]

uhh thats one of the worst cover desicions so far..... i was actually hjoping theyd stick with Chad J. (as long as the curse didnt stay with him)...ohh well i guess.. I am sure i will still buy it.

anyone know if they are adding any new features or gamemodes yet??

[livethesounds]

um....if anyone's watching VY on Jimmy Kimmell....he actually did very well, not like everyone is claiming.

and they showed the cover of madden 08. He's wearing the titans alternate jersey and it looks freaking sweet.

[Trainsaw]

well hopefully the curse follows through for yet another year

[livethesounds]

I'm gonna love it if Vince has a better year than last. At this point i dont see it happening because they dont have the same cast around him, but there's still time to make moves.

[IamTheINDUSTRY]

I guess the new trend in video games is to put overrated quarterbacks with dismal QB ratings on the cover?

not sure where you got "overrated"...but then again you are from the opposite coast so i'm sure you didnt see the human highlight real that was the last half of the season for the titans. broken play after broken play vince young kept doing shit...our new gm might suck next to reece, but please, vy was roty for a reason, and it wasnt cause bush was better.

[IamTheINDUSTRY]

I'm gonna love it if Vince has a better year than last. At this point i dont see it happening because they dont have the same cast around him, but there's still time to make moves.


totally agree except for the "still time to make moves thing". vince young has to carry the titans this year if they hope for victory....and other teams now have a whole off season to prepare for our one dimensional offense. guarantee 1. vy gets hurt. or 2. we arent good.

[Scott Weber]

not sure where you got "overrated"...but then again you are from the opposite coast so i'm sure you didnt see the human highlight real that was the last half of the season for the titans. broken play after broken play vince young kept doing shit...our new gm might suck next to reece, but please, vy was roty for a reason, and it wasnt cause bush was better.
Joseph Addai was better than both of them. I watch almost every football game every week in the NFL (including watching NFL Replay on the NFL Network and downloading games I missed) so I saw Vince play a lot. Scrambling and breaking tackles is good and fine, but he still can't throw the ball worth balls.

[bigmike]

I guess the new trend in video games is to put overrated quarterbacks with dismal QB ratings on the cover?
Well, it would explain Jared Zabransky being on the college cover. ;-)
not sure where you got "overrated"...but then again you are from the opposite coast so i'm sure you didnt see the human highlight real that was the last half of the season for the titans. broken play after broken play vince young kept doing shit...our new gm might suck next to reece, but please, vy was roty for a reason, and it wasnt cause bush was better.
So apparently you missed the "human highligh reel" (not spelled with an 'a', by the way. Dictionary. Find one) throwing picks, balls into the ground or sailing passes way over defenders heads.

He's a less talented Mike Vick. And how's that working out in the ATL? Oh yeah, it's not.

[Drew Beringer]

Joseph Addai was better than both of them. I watch almost every football game every week in the NFL (including watching NFL Replay on the NFL Network and downloading games I missed) so I saw Vince play a lot. Scrambling and breaking tackles is good and fine, but he still can't throw the ball worth balls.

Fuckin right Addai was better than both. Oh well, I'm sure Joey will take the Super Bowl ring over the ROTY any day ;-)

[Scott Weber]

I just can't wait for the day the media hops off Vince Young's dick and starts tearing him apart like they've started to to Michael Vick. The fascination will wear off, and when the media finally accepts that he's a bad teammate and can't lead a team to the Super Bowl, they'll tear him to shreds.

[bigmike]

I just can't wait for the day the media hops off Vince Young's dick and starts tearing him apart like they've started to to Michael Vick. The fascination will wear off, and when the media finally accepts that he's a bad teammate and can't lead a team to the Super Bowl, they'll tear him to shreds.
Merril Hoge already does that. I like Merrill as an analysts of breaking down players. He doesn't get caught up in the hype. He didn't like VY before the draft and he broke down the play against the Texans that Young took to the house for the winning score in OT and showed where he had 2-3 targets he could have, and should have, thrown to and basically said he's just running around like he did in college and he's going to get hurt and/or the NFL will catch on in a couple years and force him to throw the football.

[Scott Weber]

Merril Hoge already does that. I like Merrill as an analysts of breaking down players. He doesn't get caught up in the hype. He didn't like VY before the draft and he broke down the play against the Texans that Young took to the house for the winning score in OT and showed where he had 2-3 targets he could have, and should have, thrown to and basically said he's just running around like he did in college and he's going to get hurt and/or the NFL will catch on in a couple years and force him to throw the football.
And once Vince is forced to throw, it's lights out Vinny.

[bigmike]

And once Vince is forced to throw, it's lights out Vinny.
Yup.

[Drew Beringer]

It'll be lights out this year for VY, the Titans are finishing last in the south.

[marrost]

anyone have the vince young wonderlic saved?http://www.koc.alaska.edu/departments/pics/funny-math.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3017/proton2tc5.jpg

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[nfggc10]

Merril Hoge already does that. I like Merrill as an analysts of breaking down players. He doesn't get caught up in the hype. He didn't like VY before the draft and he broke down the play against the Texans that Young took to the house for the winning score in OT and showed where he had 2-3 targets he could have, and should have, thrown to and basically said he's just running around like he did in college and he's going to get hurt and/or the NFL will catch on in a couple years and force him to throw the football.Haha that analysis just described every "pass" play the Falcons have attempted over the last few years. I still don't get why the media falls in love with these running qb's like it's some new phenomenon and is a secret to success. For one, Vince and Mick aren't very accurate. Second, they don't have the intelligence and quickness to read defenses correctly at the line of scrimmage or as the play begins which is why they take off. For a while, analysts were blaming Falcons receivers but they finally caught on that even when they were wide open (ie. Alge Crumpler wide open on a majority of plays with his hands waving in the air) he just took off and ran around like a fool. Defenses in college can't even come close to pro defensive speed which is why Vick isn't scrambling like he used to.

And Scott, definitely a good call that Vince is a less talented Vick which makes Tenn. passing on Leinart look even worse. I'll take just a solid throwing qb over a media-hyped running one every time.

[thejetstolehome]

Joseph Addai was better than both of them. I watch almost every football game every week in the NFL (including watching NFL Replay on the NFL Network and downloading games I missed) so I saw Vince play a lot. Scrambling and breaking tackles is good and fine, but he still can't throw the ball worth balls.

Colston was better, too.

my ROY ballot would've gone:
Addai
Colston
Bush
Young

[nfggc10]

Prediction: JaMarcus Russell will be on the cover for 2009 when he takes over Vince's title as most overrated rookie qb of the year.

[Scott Weber]

Prediction: JaMarcus Russell will be on the cover for 2009 when he takes over Vince's title as most overrated rookie qb of the year.
I'm actually a Russell believer, I think he's got the tools to be a really good quarterback, he's got great pocket presence and a really strong arm.

[selftitled85]

thats terrible. why not give it to someone who deserved it?

[nfggc10]

I'm actually a Russell believer, I think he's got the tools to be a really good quarterback, he's got great pocket presence and a really strong arm.I just find it funny that no one talked about this guy being a top draft pick until he tore up Notre Dame's defense which happens too often to even make a big deal out of it. Most of his completions were fairly easy to make and for all of his down field passes, no defender was within 10-15 yards of the receiver.

[Scott Weber]

I just find it funny that no one talked about this guy being a top draft pick until he tore up Notre Dame's defense which happens too often to even make a big deal out of it. Most of his completions were fairly easy to make and for all of his down field passes, no defender was within 10-15 yards of the receiver.
I personally think more people fell out of love with Brady Quinn than fell in love with JaMarcus Russell.

[nfggc10]

I personally think more people fell out of love with Brady Quinn than fell in love with JaMarcus Russell.Yeah i could see your point but Russell came up on the board practically out of nowhere but Quinn only dropped to the predicted #2 overall qb so it wasn't as bad as the media has made it out to be. I still think Quinn will have the far better career and has been prepared properly to have the best chance to do so. I just hate how Russell is being compared to Culpepper or that style of qb when he himself has been a huge disappointment without Moss to bail him out. If he successfully recovers from his injury problem then I can change that opinion.

[Scott Weber]

Yeah i could see your point but Russell came up on the board practically out of nowhere but Quinn only dropped to the predicted #2 overall qb so it wasn't as bad as the media has made it out to be. I still think Quinn will have the far better career and has been prepared properly to have the best chance to do so. I just hate how Russell is being compared to Culpepper or that style of qb when he himself has been a huge disappointment without Moss to bail him out. If he successfully recovers from his injury problem then I can change that opinion.
Brady Quinn will be a huge bust in my mind. He showed that he wasn't mentally tough at Norte Dame and he totally flopped under the pressure whenever he played a difficult opponent. He's got all the tools, but the intangibles really worry me.

And in all fairness to Culpepper, ever since that huge year in 04, he's been hurt pretty much ever since, so it's not fair to call him dissapointing and shit since he's been playing way less than 100% for 2 straight years.

[nfggc10]

Brady Quinn will be a huge bust in my mind. He showed that he wasn't mentally tough at Norte Dame and he totally flopped under the pressure whenever he played a difficult opponent. He's got all the tools, but the intangibles really worry me.

And in all fairness to Culpepper, ever since that huge year in 04, he's been hurt pretty much ever since, so it's not fair to call him dissapointing and shit since he's been playing way less than 100% for 2 straight years.
I actually would say that Quinn's mental toughness is one of his strongest assets. His offensive line was never the best pass blocking one, which heavily contributed to his rough games, and he got knocked around alot but still managed to get back up every time and finish games. This last season he started to scramble more and make positive plays when seemingly one wasn't available. I really see him struggling the first year obviously but then make tremendous strides the following couple seasons and be a consistent pro bowler contender.

[Scott Weber]

I actually would say that Quinn's mental toughness is one of his strongest assets. His offensive line was never the best pass blocking one, which heavily contributed to his rough games, and he got knocked around alot but still managed to get back up every time and finish games. This last season he started to scramble more and make positive plays when seemingly one wasn't available. I really see him struggling the first year obviously but then make tremendous strides the following couple seasons and be a consistent pro bowler contender.
I see your point, I just respectfully disagree, mainly based on a hunch. But, let's be honest - it doesn't mean much to be a pro-bowler these days. Vince Young was about the 12th best QB in the AFC and he got in *shrug*

[LeftWideOpen]

I'm actually a Russell believer, I think he's got the tools to be a really good quarterback, he's got great pocket presence and a really strong arm.

I like Russell, but not as the #1 pick. I think he's the best QB in the draft but I'd really only put him around 6th or 7th in terms of just the best talent (behind Johnson, Adams, Thomas, Peterson, Landry ..maybe Hall).

and when I think of him, I do think of Culpepper when he came out of school. Being Daunte Culpepper (when he was healthy) is sure as hell not a bad thing, but I don't think its worth the #1 pick.

and I completely agree about Brady Quinn. Weis and the ND uniform made him out to be more than he is. He's a decent QB, but not worth a Top 10 choice. I think he'll start in this league for a while, but he won't ever be a Pro Bowler.

[nfggc10]

I like Russell, but not as the #1 pick. I think he's the best QB in the draft but I'd really only put him around 6th or 7th in terms of just the best talent (behind Johnson, Adams, Thomas, Peterson, Landry ..maybe Hall).

and when I think of him, I do think of Culpepper when he came out of school. Being Daunte Culpepper (when he was healthy) is sure as hell not a bad thing, but I don't think its worth the #1 pick.

and I completely agree about Brady Quinn. Weis and the ND uniform made him out to be more than he is. He's a decent QB, but not worth a Top 10 choice. I think he'll start in this league for a while, but he won't ever be a Pro Bowler.I really don't know how you could say that because it takes alot of talent and consistency to be able to break the records that he did there. But as a ND fan, I'm aware that they aren't the most liked school on here but nevertheless I still think he has more potential than Russell despite lacking as much speed and arm strength. I would rather have consistency though at my qb position rather than some "playmaker" who's probably going to turn the ball over more times than coaches like.

[Scott Weber]

I really don't know how you could say that because it takes alot of talent and consistency to be able to break the records that he did there. But as a ND fan, I'm aware that they aren't the most liked school on here but nevertheless I still think he has more potential than Russell despite lacking as much speed and arm strength. I would rather have consistency though at my qb position rather than some "playmaker" who's probably going to turn the ball over more times than coaches like.
Try looking at his stats vs. the patsies and then vs. tough schools. If ND played in a tougher conference (or any major conference instead of being indie) Quinn wouldn't have had so much success.

[livethesounds]

totally agree except for the "still time to make moves thing". vince young has to carry the titans this year if they hope for victory....and other teams now have a whole off season to prepare for our one dimensional offense. guarantee 1. vy gets hurt. or 2. we arent good.

They still have time to make a move for Micheal Turner, or make a trade during the draft for someone else. The'res not much on the FA market, but they can still do things.

Merril Hoge already does that. I like Merrill as an analysts of breaking down players. He doesn't get caught up in the hype. He didn't like VY before the draft and he broke down the play against the Texans that Young took to the house for the winning score in OT and showed where he had 2-3 targets he could have, and should have, thrown to and basically said he's just running around like he did in college and he's going to get hurt and/or the NFL will catch on in a couple years and force him to throw the football.

I wouldn't mind Hodge if he was just regularly skeptical about VY, but he goes out of his way to trash the guy, like most of you in here. So he's a prick to me.

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haha i had to laugh.

[Scott Weber]

They still have time to make a move for Micheal Turner, or make a trade during the draft for someone else. The'res not much on the FA market, but they can still do things.



I wouldn't mind Hodge if he was just regularly skeptical about VY, but he goes out of his way to trash the guy, like most of you in here. So he's a prick to me.



haha i had to laugh.
Guys that deserve to be trashed while everyone else is sucking their dick should be trashed.

[livethesounds]

Guys that deserve to be trashed while everyone else is sucking their dick should be trashed.

Well, ill conceed this. Hes not as good as some people make him out to be, not yet.
on that note he's not near as bad as some people make him out to be.
It seems like nobody's in the middle with VY, they either think hes god or horse shit.
so whatever.

[Scott Weber]

Well, ill conceed this. Hes not as good as some people make him out to be, not yet.
on that note he's not near as bad as some people make him out to be.
It seems like nobody's in the middle with VY, they either think hes god or horse shit.
so whatever.
Part of the reason that the negative backlash is so big against him is because the praises are so over-the-top and unmerited.

[Scott Weber]

Deadspin is reporting that LT was offered the cover and turned it down.

[livethesounds]

Part of the reason that the negative backlash is so big against him is because the praises are so over-the-top and unmerited.

i don't think the praise is unmerited completely. but lots of the praise is over the top.
I don't completely disagree with ROY, but I don't completely agree with it either.
I don't think he was a pro bowl caliber quarterback, but he made the team (probably by defalt)
and im thinking he made the Madden cover by default as well.
Look at the list of guys who have been on the cover, most of them are legit guys who have been in the league for a while and had amazing seasons prior. VYs a freaking rookie.
it is over the top, I'll agree.

[livethesounds]

Deadspin is reporting that LT was offered the cover and turned it down.

Who was it that said Chad Johnson was going to be on the cover? I'm sure he turned it down too. I think player might actually be buying into the madden curse.

[livethesounds]

annnd here it is.

http://www.nypress.com/images/madden08.jpg

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

the game is probably going to suck as bad as VY does.

just like last years madden

[Drew Beringer]

Madden sucks ass now cause they don't have any competition. Worst thing to ever happen.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

it was the biggest piece of shit ever for 360, as was ncaa

when i play as the idaho vandals, i want to fucking play in that shit dome they have god dammit!

[lanolynn]

I just can't wait for the day the media hops off Vince Young's dick and starts tearing him apart like they've started to to Michael Vick. The fascination will wear off, and when the media finally accepts that he's a bad teammate and can't lead a team to the Super Bowl, they'll tear him to shreds.

How the hell can you call young a bad teammate. it's one thing to say he can't pass, but to say he's a bad teammate is just a lie. he stepped in as a rookie and became the unquestioned leader of the team. he's not pacman.

and yeah vy cant pass. but he's only a rookie. how many rookie qbs walk on the field and start lighting up the sky. the golden boy peyton threw like 24 interceptions as a rookie. and leinhart and cutler bot had two pro bowl caliber recievers and didn't do any better than young did.

and the vick comparriosns are just as stupid as the russell/cullpepper comparisons. vicks been in the nfl like 6 years and still can't pass, young's only been in the league 1. in 5 years we can revisit the comparisons.

all that being said there's no way ypung deserves to be on the cover of the game.

[allisterkid]

In other words he's gonna be terribly overrated in Madden this year, then get injured in week 3 and be done for the season. Real smart, Vince.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

according to media takeout, the madden curse strikes already.

vince young the proud father of a newborn baby girl.

[livethesounds]

the game is probably going to suck as bad as VY does.

just like last years madden

I thought last years madden was ok. Didn't have much to compare it to though....
and i liked ncaa 07.

I just can't wait for the day the media hops off Vince Young's dick and starts tearing him apart like they've started to to Michael Vick. The fascination will wear off, and when the media finally accepts that he's a bad teammate and can't lead a team to the Super Bowl, they'll tear him to shreds.

I must have completely missed you calling him a "bad teammate". I don't know where you pulled that one from, but that's a pretty ignorant statement.
Usually I can't really say much when you shit on Vince, but in this case you're just dead wrong.
If you've ever heard interviews with Titans players about VY, they all love him. They all agree when he took over the starting job he helped give them a chemistry the Titans haven't had for a while.
He sticks by his teammates more than most players I've seen, at least publicly.
Where the hell did you get the notion he was a bad teammate from???

[livethesounds]

Madden sucks ass now cause they don't have any competition. Worst thing to ever happen.

they will this year....kinda.
2k is coming out with a football game this fall. No word on what kind of game it will be. EA has the rights to the NFL (and all its players, so foget about a legends game) NCAA & the AFL.
I guess they could try and go for a CFL game.....

[FondestMemory]

i'd like a quality cfl game. i'd play it.

i love the cfl. not as much as the nfl, but it's a fucking fun form of the game.

[livethesounds]

i'd like a quality cfl game. i'd play it.

i love the cfl. not as much as the nfl, but it's a fucking fun form of the game.

the idea of 2k putting out a football game 2 years before EAs NFL license runs out is to give them a run for their money.

If they put out a product that's better than Madden, even if its a CFL game, they have the upper hand when the exclusive licence contract is over.

Trust me, they will put out a quality game this fall, otherwise...whats the point?

[lanolynn]

they will this year....kinda.
2k is coming out with a football game this fall. No word on what kind of game it will be. EA has the rights to the NFL (and all its players, so foget about a legends game) NCAA & the AFL.
I guess they could try and go for a CFL game.....

i heard its going to be like a legends game, but i don't know if that's actually possible

I think this might be the game you're talking about
http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/881/881587.html

[FondestMemory]

the idea of 2k putting out a football game 2 years before EAs NFL license runs out is to give them a run for their money.

If they put out a product that's better than Madden, even if its a CFL game, they have the upper hand when the exclusive licence contract is over.

Trust me, they will put out a quality game this fall, otherwise...whats the point?

no way they'd do a cfl game though. maybe as a secondary game, like ea's afl game.

it'll just be something with similar teams and similar players with nfl rules.

i'm sure they'll do something quality, but i still think ea will get the license renewed when the time comes around.

[AshesAshes]

Colston was better, too.

my ROY ballot would've gone:
Addai
Colston
Bush
Young

Maurice Jones Drew should be higher than Young as well

[livethesounds]

i heard its going to be like a legends game, but i don't know if that's actually possible

I think this might be the game you're talking about
http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/881/881587.html

yea, thats the game.

no way they'd do a cfl game though. maybe as a secondary game, like ea's afl game.

it'll just be something with similar teams and similar players with nfl rules.

i'm sure they'll do something quality, but i still think ea will get the license renewed when the time comes around.

possibly. im not 100% sure how the CFL rules are. I just know they cant mess with anything involved with the NFL or their players or ex players.

I can't see how the NFL is ok with having a monopoly over the NFL gaming franchise. wouldn't more competition bring in more money? idk...but i hope they dont keep doing the exclusive thing.

[bigmike]

according to media takeout, the madden curse strikes already.

vince young the proud father of a newborn baby girl.
hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha hahaahahahahaha.

Amazing.

[thejetstolehome]

Maurice Jones Drew should be higher than Young as well

oh shit! i completely forgot about him! allow me to edit:

Addai
Jones-Drew
Colston
Bush
Young

[smokedsanity]

oh shit! i completely forgot about him! allow me to edit:

Addai
Jones-Drew
Colston
Bush
Young

Sorry if you've already fielded this question, but why do you have Bush above Young? I mean, I'm a Saints fan, which made me a Bush fan, but I couldn't say that I'd vote for Bush over Young. I don't think that Young deserved the award at all. But I don't think I could say that Bush was anymore deserving.

[Scott Weber]

Who was it that said Chad Johnson was going to be on the cover? I'm sure he turned it down too. I think player might actually be buying into the madden curse.

Chad Johnson was on posters advertising next year's Madden, it was a false alarm and he's not associated with the cover.

annnd here it is.

http://www.nypress.com/images/madden08.jpg

God damn, the Titans jerseys are ugly as shit.

How the hell can you call young a bad teammate. it's one thing to say he can't pass, but to say he's a bad teammate is just a lie. he stepped in as a rookie and became the unquestioned leader of the team. he's not pacman.

and yeah vy cant pass. but he's only a rookie. how many rookie qbs walk on the field and start lighting up the sky. the golden boy peyton threw like 24 interceptions as a rookie. and leinhart and cutler bot had two pro bowl caliber recievers and didn't do any better than young did.

and the vick comparriosns are just as stupid as the russell/cullpepper comparisons. vicks been in the nfl like 6 years and still can't pass, young's only been in the league 1. in 5 years we can revisit the comparisons.

all that being said there's no way ypung deserves to be on the cover of the game.

And while Peyton threw a lot of picks his rookie year, he also threw 26 TDs and threw for over 3700 yards, and completed 57% of his passes - do I need to remind you what Vince's QB rating was? 66.7.

And I do think both Leinart AND Cutler had better years than Vince, especially Cutler, are you kidding me? Leinart's QB rating was 74, he showed a ton of promise, he was patient, and he did it all with a terrible running game, NO offensive line, a dismal defense, etc - what he achieved is just as, if not more impressive than Young.

As far as Cutler...the dude's QB rating was 88.5 and he looked better than both Young and Leinart - and I truly doubted Cutler. But it's a no brainer when you look at the numbers. The end.
I thought last years madden was ok. Didn't have much to compare it to though....
and i liked ncaa 07.



I must have completely missed you calling him a "bad teammate". I don't know where you pulled that one from, but that's a pretty ignorant statement.
Usually I can't really say much when you shit on Vince, but in this case you're just dead wrong.
If you've ever heard interviews with Titans players about VY, they all love him. They all agree when he took over the starting job he helped give them a chemistry the Titans haven't had for a while.
He sticks by his teammates more than most players I've seen, at least publicly.
Where the hell did you get the notion he was a bad teammate from???

Shut the fuck up, you biased, homer Titans fans. All of you. I'm tired of nobody from Texas/the general south being able to look at their teams rationally (although Livethesounds, to your credit, you have gotten much, much better) Vince Young ignores open receivers, throws balls over their head, fumbles, throws picks - killing scoring drives. He is, just like Vick, selfish by nature. That kind of tuck and run shit works in college but it doesn't in the pros. You can bet your ass with all this attention that NFL players are going to be gunning for his legs and forcing him to pass. He's never had any interest in being an effective pocket passer, he's never needed to - but he will now. Look, Young can be as funny and nice as he wants to be to his teammates, he can do whatever - but when he's on the field, turning over the ball, and refusing to run the plays called for him, just scrambling all the time - THAT, in my mind, makes him a bad teammate. And yes, he's young. But he's never going to be a star - unless he becomes a pocket passer first and THEN a scrambler. Name one scramble-first QB who's a shitty passer that's won a super bowl. I'll wait.

[Scott Weber]

Sorry if you've already fielded this question, but why do you have Bush above Young? I mean, I'm a Saints fan, which made me a Bush fan, but I couldn't say that I'd vote for Bush over Young. I don't think that Young deserved the award at all. But I don't think I could say that Bush was anymore deserving.
Deuce wouldn't have had half the season he did without Bush in there taking away pressure from him and making defenses respect his speed and the danger of the swing pass.

[nfggc10]

Shut the fuck up, you biased, homer Titans fans. All of you. I'm tired of nobody from Texas/the general south being able to look at their teams rationally (although Livethesounds, to your credit, you have gotten much, much better) Vince Young ignores open receivers, throws balls over their head, fumbles, throws picks - killing scoring drives. He is, just like Vick, selfish by nature. That kind of tuck and run shit works in college but it doesn't in the pros. You can bet your ass with all this attention that NFL players are going to be gunning for his legs and forcing him to pass. He's never had any interest in being an effective pocket passer, he's never needed to - but he will now. Look, Young can be as funny and nice as he wants to be to his teammates, he can do whatever - but when he's on the field, turning over the ball, and refusing to run the plays called for him, just scrambling all the time - THAT, in my mind, makes him a bad teammate. And yes, he's young. But he's never going to be a star - unless he becomes a pocket passer first and THEN a scrambler. Name one scramble-first QB who's a shitty passer that's won a super bowl. I'll wait.haha well said Scott

[smokedsanity]

Shut the fuck up, you biased, homer Titans fans. All of you. I'm tired of nobody from Texas/the general south being able to look at their teams rationally (although Livethesounds, to your credit, you have gotten much, much better) Vince Young ignores open receivers, throws balls over their head, fumbles, throws picks - killing scoring drives. He is, just like Vick, selfish by nature. That kind of tuck and run shit works in college but it doesn't in the pros. You can bet your ass with all this attention that NFL players are going to be gunning for his legs and forcing him to pass. He's never had any interest in being an effective pocket passer, he's never needed to - but he will now. Look, Young can be as funny and nice as he wants to be to his teammates, he can do whatever - but when he's on the field, turning over the ball, and refusing to run the plays called for him, just scrambling all the time - THAT, in my mind, makes him a bad teammate. And yes, he's young. But he's never going to be a star - unless he becomes a pocket passer first and THEN a scrambler. Name one scramble-first QB who's a shitty passer that's won a super bowl. I'll wait.

You said exactly what I was thinking. He can be a great guy off the field, but his style of play is not conducive to being a "good teammate."

[eMart]

according to media takeout, the madden curse strikes already.

vince young the proud father of a newborn baby girl.
haha well at least its better than a season ending injury

[livethesounds]

Chad Johnson was on posters advertising next year's Madden, it was a false alarm and he's not associated with the cover.



God damn, the Titans jerseys are ugly as shit.



And while Peyton threw a lot of picks his rookie year, he also threw 26 TDs and threw for over 3700 yards, and completed 57% of his passes - do I need to remind you what Vince's QB rating was? 66.7.

And I do think both Leinart AND Cutler had better years than Vince, especially Cutler, are you kidding me? Leinart's QB rating was 74, he showed a ton of promise, he was patient, and he did it all with a terrible running game, NO offensive line, a dismal defense, etc - what he achieved is just as, if not more impressive than Young.

As far as Cutler...the dude's QB rating was 88.5 and he looked better than both Young and Leinart - and I truly doubted Cutler. But it's a no brainer when you look at the numbers. The end.


Shut the fuck up, you biased, homer Titans fans. All of you. I'm tired of nobody from Texas/the general south being able to look at their teams rationally (although Livethesounds, to your credit, you have gotten much, much better) Vince Young ignores open receivers, throws balls over their head, fumbles, throws picks - killing scoring drives. He is, just like Vick, selfish by nature. That kind of tuck and run shit works in college but it doesn't in the pros. You can bet your ass with all this attention that NFL players are going to be gunning for his legs and forcing him to pass. He's never had any interest in being an effective pocket passer, he's never needed to - but he will now. Look, Young can be as funny and nice as he wants to be to his teammates, he can do whatever - but when he's on the field, turning over the ball, and refusing to run the plays called for him, just scrambling all the time - THAT, in my mind, makes him a bad teammate. And yes, he's young. But he's never going to be a star - unless he becomes a pocket passer first and THEN a scrambler. Name one scramble-first QB who's a shitty passer that's won a super bowl. I'll wait.

I love the titans jerseys, especially the outfit like VY has (the powder blue on powder blue) reminds me of the Oilers.

Ok, I'll give you that he does sometimes change plays at the line and just does what he does. BUT Jeff Fisher gave him that ok. He wants Vince to play to his strengths. If he sees a hole, he wants VY to take it, and be a play maker.
Yes, he needs to learn to be a pocket passer first. I didn't really like when i heard that Fisher was endorsing his running when he felt like it...but still, Vince knows he has to do that too.
And i thought you'd come up with a better argument for him being a bad teammate than "he fumbles & throws passes over receivers heads". Its called being a rookie with a ways to go before he's a really good passing quarterback.
You can throw numbers at me all you want, but the Titans players all have faith in VY's abilities and expect and know that he will get better. He is in no way a bad teammate, Titans homer or not that's just a stupid statement.

[smokedsanity]

Deuce wouldn't have had half the season he did without Bush in there taking away pressure from him and making defenses respect his speed and the danger of the swing pass.

You do realize that Duece has had other good seasons, right? That he had those with Aaron Brooks pretending to be a quarterback, and with no other support at RB? In the five seasons prior to Bush, Deuce had 3 seasons in which he faired just as well, if not better, overall. His weaker stats came in his rookie year and the year he was injured. I'm not saying that Bush was nothing, I watched all of the games that I could and saw how helpful he was, but defenses respecting a speed doesn't make someone ROY, at least not in my mind. The only way I could see an argument is in that Bush was used in a variety of ways. But he didn't exactly have a standout year. He was good and I am very glad that he is on the team. I think that he will be even better this coming year, but I cannot say that he was much more deserving of ROY honors. My bias comes in there, thinking Colston should have won that, but I would have taken Addai.

[livethesounds]

Deuce wouldn't have had half the season he did without Bush in there taking away pressure from him and making defenses respect his speed and the danger of the swing pass.

please, he was already a pro-bowl caliber running back without Bush. that's bull crap. Brees would have taken the pressure off him adequately with their passing attack.

[Scott Weber]

I love the titans jerseys, especially the outfit like VY has (the powder blue on powder blue) reminds me of the Oilers.

Ok, I'll give you that he does sometimes change plays at the line and just does what he does. BUT Jeff Fisher gave him that ok. He wants Vince to play to his strengths. If he sees a hole, he wants VY to take it, and be a play maker.
Yes, he needs to learn to be a pocket passer first. I didn't really like when i heard that Fisher was endorsing his running when he felt like it...but still, Vince knows he has to do that too.
And i thought you'd come up with a better argument for him being a bad teammate than "he fumbles & throws passes over receivers heads". Its called being a rookie with a ways to go before he's a really good passing quarterback.
You can throw numbers at me all you want, but the Titans players all have faith in VY's abilities and expect and know that he will get better. He is in no way a bad teammate, Titans homer or not that's just a stupid statement.
No, it's called being Michael Vick - who is also a terrible teammate who will never win a ring. It's not stupid - you're stupid for not realizing that.

[Scott Weber]

You do realize that Duece has had other good seasons, right? That he had those with Aaron Brooks pretending to be a quarterback, and with no other support at RB? In the five seasons prior to Bush, Deuce had 3 seasons in which he faired just as well, if not better, overall. His weaker stats came in his rookie year and the year he was injured. I'm not saying that Bush was nothing, I watched all of the games that I could and saw how helpful he was, but defenses respecting a speed doesn't make someone ROY, at least not in my mind. The only way I could see an argument is in that Bush was used in a variety of ways. But he didn't exactly have a standout year. He was good and I am very glad that he is on the team. I think that he will be even better this coming year, but I cannot say that he was much more deserving of ROY honors. My bias comes in there, thinking Colston should have won that, but I would have taken Addai.
And I'm not saying it was the only reason, I'm just saying he was valuable as a decoy this year, that's no secret. For McCallister to get 1000 yards in a platoon position was still pretty nice, especially after the 2 relatively poor years he had before that. He hadn't been a pro-bowl type player since 04. Bush's all-purpose yards were super nice though.

Besides, I wasn't the one who said that I'd put Bush before Young - I'm not sure I would.

[livethesounds]

No, it's called being Michael Vick - who is also a terrible teammate who will never win a ring. It's not stupid - you're stupid for not realizing that.

haha, ok. I think the difference in VY and Vick is that Vick didn't really know that his way wouldn't work. VY hears the criticsm and responds to it even in interviews. He knows he has to be a passing quarterback to succeed in the league, and hes going to work on that much harder than Vick ever did. If he fails, he fails, thats fine. But I think he will give more effort into being that complete quarterback that Vick ever did or ever will.

[smokedsanity]

And I'm not saying it was the only reason, I'm just saying he was valuable as a decoy this year, that's no secret. For McCallister to get 1000 yards in a platoon position was still pretty nice, especially after the 2 relatively poor years he had before that. He hadn't been a pro-bowl type player since 04. Bush's all-purpose yards were super nice though.

Besides, I wasn't the one who said that I'd put Bush before Young - I'm not sure I would.

Okay, I see what you saying now. Maybe I'm an idiot, but it just seemed like you were trying to say that McAllister wouldn't have been worth a shit without Bush. Bush helped it, I won't disagree. He was very useful to the offense. If it seemed like I insulting you, I apologize. I wasn't.

[Scott Weber]

haha, ok. I think the difference in VY and Vick is that Vick didn't really know that his way wouldn't work. VY hears the criticsm and responds to it even in interviews. He knows he has to be a passing quarterback to succeed in the league, and hes going to work on that much harder than Vick ever did. If he fails, he fails, thats fine. But I think he will give more effort into being that complete quarterback that Vick ever did or ever will.

Says you, the biased Titans fan. Optimism is great, but Vince hasn't shown anything whatsoever to merit those sentiments.

[livethesounds]

And I'm not saying it was the only reason, I'm just saying he was valuable as a decoy this year, that's no secret. For McCallister to get 1000 yards in a platoon position was still pretty nice, especially after the 2 relatively poor years he had before that. He hadn't been a pro-bowl type player since 04. Bush's all-purpose yards were super nice though.

Besides, I wasn't the one who said that I'd put Bush before Young - I'm not sure I would.

you do realize you just said he had a pro bowl year in 04, but also said after last year (06) he had two relatively poor seasons...that would include 04, in 05 he was hurt.

[smokedsanity]

you do realize you just said he had a pro bowl year in 04, but also said after last year (06) he had two relatively poor seasons...that would include 04, in 05 he was hurt.

Haha, come on, don't worry about details. We get what he is saying. I'm sure that he meant 03 for the pro bowl.

[livethesounds]

Says you, the biased Titans fan. Optimism is great, but Vince hasn't shown anything whatsoever to merit those sentiments.

haha, ok. well i don't know what to tell you there besides to read a few articles where the titans said they would work with him this off season on this throwing motion and quarterback skills in general.
They let him do what he did in college last year, that's already known and they didn't try to change things. Me being a biased Titans fan has absolutely nothing to do with it.
The results of that haven't been seen because he hasn't played a down yet in 2007.

[Scott Weber]

you do realize you just said he had a pro bowl year in 04, but also said after last year (06) he had two relatively poor seasons...that would include 04, in 05 he was hurt.
Yeah, I meant 03 obviously - I was thinking this season, 2007 minus 2 poor years (06, 05) = 2004 as his last good year. But semantics, semantics.

And to be fair, I nail everyone on details when I'm debating, so I totally deserved that, haha.

[livethesounds]

Haha, come on, don't worry about details. We get what he is saying. I'm sure that he meant 03 for the pro bowl.

but 04 was his pro bowl season, so it still didnt make sense.

[livethesounds]

Yeah, I meant 03 obviously - I was thinking this season, 2007 minus 2 poor years (06, 05) = 2004 as his last good year. But semantics, semantics.

And to be fair, I nail everyone on details when I'm debating, so I totally deserved that, haha.

haha, you're the only one i would have said that too :wave:

[smokedsanity]

but 04 was his pro bowl season, so it still didnt make sense.

It was 02 and 03. He wasn't on the 04 pro bowl roster that I just checked. He had a good year, but Alexander, Barber, and Green got the nods in 04.

[livethesounds]

It was 02 and 03. He wasn't on the 04 pro bowl roster that I just checked. He had a good year, but Alexander, Barber, and Green got the nods in 04.

he had over 1500 yards though i believe. that's a pro bowl caliber season usually. That's what i meant.

[smokedsanity]

he had over 1500 yards though i believe. that's a pro bowl caliber season usually. That's what i meant.

He had a good year. Officially it was 1074 yards. I'm not trying to be a "you're wrong" dick. I swear.

[Scott Weber]

he had over 1500 yards though i believe. that's a pro bowl caliber season usually. That's what i meant.
He had over 1600 yards in 03. 04 he only got 1074 and he was hurt most of 05, and underproduced while he was healthy :-D

[livethesounds]

He had over 1600 yards in 03. 04 he only got 1074 and he was hurt most of 05, and underproduced while he was healthy :-D

to be fair, he was basically their only offense. Aaron Brooks wasnt exactly helping him out much.

[livethesounds]

He had a good year. Officially it was 1074 yards. I'm not trying to be a "you're wrong" dick. I swear.

haha, its cool.

[smokedsanity]

to be fair, he was basically their only offense. Aaron Brooks wasnt exactly helping him out much.

Hahaha. I was just thinking...it may be unfair, but I blame every problem that team had from 2001-05 on Brooks. He was such a pain. Everyone would get sick of him, but then he would look really good for two or three games (like would actually be the guy to "win" it), giving everyone hope that he had turned the corner. Next thing you knew, he was the primary reason for a loss and there was no one to take the spot from him. Then he'd have another good couple of games and management would believe that he is ready to turn the corner and they'd keep him. Good grief.

[Scott Weber]

to be fair, he was basically their only offense. Aaron Brooks wasnt exactly helping him out much.
Now hold on a second, Aaron Brooks did not start to fall apart until 2004. (Ok so he was bad the 2 years before that, but not dismal) He had a career passing year in 2003, he threw 24 TDs and only 8 interceptions. (QB rating of 88.8) He had a ton of fumbles that year but still, he was productive.

[livethesounds]

Now hold on a second, Aaron Brooks did not start to fall apart until 2004. (Ok so he was bad the 2 years before that, but not dismal) He had a career passing year in 2003, he threw 24 TDs and only 8 interceptions. (QB rating of 88.8) He had a ton of fumbles that year but still, he was productive.

still, the last few years he was there pretty much everything wrong was blamed on him. I'm sure McCallister's production drop by a couple hundred yards was a result of his bad play. He also had nearly 100 fewer carries, probably due to them not being able to sustain drives (aaron brook's fault haha).

[lanolynn]

Chad Johnson was on posters advertising next year's Madden, it was a false alarm and he's not associated with the cover.



God damn, the Titans jerseys are ugly as shit.



And while Peyton threw a lot of picks his rookie year, he also threw 26 TDs and threw for over 3700 yards, and completed 57% of his passes - do I need to remind you what Vince's QB rating was? 66.7.

And I do think both Leinart AND Cutler had better years than Vince, especially Cutler, are you kidding me? Leinart's QB rating was 74, he showed a ton of promise, he was patient, and he did it all with a terrible running game, NO offensive line, a dismal defense, etc - what he achieved is just as, if not more impressive than Young.

As far as Cutler...the dude's QB rating was 88.5 and he looked better than both Young and Leinart - and I truly doubted Cutler. But it's a no brainer when you look at the numbers. The end.


Shut the fuck up, you biased, homer Titans fans. All of you. I'm tired of nobody from Texas/the general south being able to look at their teams rationally (although Livethesounds, to your credit, you have gotten much, much better) Vince Young ignores open receivers, throws balls over their head, fumbles, throws picks - killing scoring drives. He is, just like Vick, selfish by nature. That kind of tuck and run shit works in college but it doesn't in the pros. You can bet your ass with all this attention that NFL players are going to be gunning for his legs and forcing him to pass. He's never had any interest in being an effective pocket passer, he's never needed to - but he will now. Look, Young can be as funny and nice as he wants to be to his teammates, he can do whatever - but when he's on the field, turning over the ball, and refusing to run the plays called for him, just scrambling all the time - THAT, in my mind, makes him a bad teammate. And yes, he's young. But he's never going to be a star - unless he becomes a pocket passer first and THEN a scrambler. Name one scramble-first QB who's a shitty passer that's won a super bowl. I'll wait.

Trent Dilfer couldn't throw or pass and he won a super bowl. a great pocket passer isn't a requirement for a super bowl team, just ask marino.

haha, ok. I think the difference in VY and Vick is that Vick didn't really know that his way wouldn't work. VY hears the criticsm and responds to it even in interviews. He knows he has to be a passing quarterback to succeed in the league, and hes going to work on that much harder than Vick ever did. If he fails, he fails, thats fine. But I think he will give more effort into being that complete quarterback that Vick ever did or ever will.

another big difference between young in vick is young's qb coach, norm chow. you can look at chow's list of qbs he's developed and just imagine what he can do with a guy with young's abilities. vy is a young qb who needs a lot of improvement but he's not terrible.

[Scott Weber]

Trent Dilfer couldn't throw or pass and he won a super bowl. a great pocket passer isn't a requirement for a super bowl team, just ask marino.

Fail. I asked for a scrambling quarterback. Trent Dilfer was an efficient quarterback with limited skills who played within himself and was great at managing a game and controlling tempo/clock time.

[smokedsanity]

Fail. I asked for a scrambling quarterback. Trent Dilfer was an efficient quarterback with limited skills who played within himself and was great at managing a game and controlling tempo/clock time.

Haha, I was going to say this same thing. But you beat me to it.

[Scott Weber]

I just want people to stop using optimism as proof in their defense of this guy.

[smokedsanity]

Yeah, "could" and "should" are not very good pieces of evidence.

I'm just going to let you speak for me on the Vince Young issues. We seem to feel the same way and you are much more respected.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

an argument full of retards

[Scott Weber]

an argument full of retards
So leave. If you don't want to read these threads, I'm more than happy to remove you from them.

[lanolynn]

Fail. I asked for a scrambling quarterback. Trent Dilfer was an efficient quarterback with limited skills who played within himself and was great at managing a game and controlling tempo/clock time.

well steve young and roger staubach were both scramblers, but they won their super bowls later in their careers not when they were rookies.

[lanolynn]

I just want people to stop using optimism as proof in their defense of this guy.
Its not optimism to say he's working with a great qb coach in chow. thats something that actually shows he has the potential to get better, and you're tearing him down over his rookie year. if no one ever got any better than they did their rookie year the nfl would suck, but suprisingly people get better from year to year.

[smokedsanity]

well steve young and roger staubach were both scramblers, but they won their super bowls later in their careers not when they were rookies.

The season Steve Young won the Super Bowl, he ran less than the years prior. Staubach never ran as much as Vince Young. I consider Vick and VY to be running quarterbacks, beyond scrambling.

[Scott Weber]

well steve young and roger staubach were both scramblers, but they won their super bowls later in their careers not when they were rookies.
Fail.

I asked for scramble first, throw 2nd passers. Both were excellent pocket passers before they went on the run, and Young had seriously toned down his scrambling by the time they won a Super Bowl with him.

[lanolynn]

The season Steve Young won the Super Bowl, he ran less than the years prior. Staubach never ran as much as Vince Young.

staubach played in a wing t offense at navy. he ran all the time. one of the main reasons he was drafted so low was no one thought he could actually pass. and with steve young your proving my whole point. as his career progressed he devloped into a better passer and didn't have to rely on his legs as much. mcnair hasn't won a super bowl but his career was similar. he ran a lot in his early years and as he learned to be a better passer he ran less. my whole point is vy is a rookie and no one will know what he's gonna do in his career until he actually does it.

[lanolynn]

Fail.

I asked for scramble first, throw 2nd passers. Both were excellent pocket passers before they went on the run, and Young had seriously toned down his scrambling by the time they won a Super Bowl with him.
yeah they were both great passers later in the their careers. answer this. how many rookie qbs have won a super bowl?

[smokedsanity]

staubach played in a wing t offense at navy. he ran all the time. one of the main reasons he was drafted so low was no one thought he could actually pass. and with steve young your proving my whole point. as his career progressed he devloped into a better passer and didn't have to rely on his legs as much. mcnair hasn't won a super bowl but his career was similar. he ran a lot in his early years and as he learned to be a better passer he ran less. my whole point is vy is a rookie and no one will know what he's gonna do in his career until he actually does it.

No, look at the stats for Staubach's pro career. He never ran nearly as often as Young did this season. I'm going by the pros, not college. Steve Young proves your point? Okay, so your point is that if VY learns to work on his passing, he'll be better and the Titans may then have a chance at the Super Bowl? Good job. No one said anything in disagreement with that. All I've seen is people saying that, right now, he is a guy who runs too much and needs to stop that if he wants real success in the league.

[Scott Weber]

yeah they were both great passers later in the their careers. answer this. how many rookie qbs have won a super bowl?
Fail #3.

That's a ridiculous attempt to change the subject, especially since teams with good enough rookie QBs to even be capable of leading a team to the Super Bowl some day would have had to have one of the worst 5-10 records in the NFL the year before.

[lanolynn]

Fail #3.

That's a ridiculous attempt to change the subject, especially since teams with good enough rookie QBs to even be capable of leading a team to the Super Bowl some day would have had to have one of the worst 5-10 records in the NFL the year before.
your whole point is vince young sucks, and your convinced he's always going to suck even though he's only played one year and nobody knows what he's going to do down the road. and i am biased because i'm a homer, but because i am a homer i know a lot about this team and i guarentee that addai, leinhart, cutler, jones-drew, colston, or any other rookie could have led a team as shitty as the titans to an 8-5 record, so yes right now vince young struggles as a passer but you've done nothing to prove he's going to continue to struggle other than saying he's just like vick, which he's not at all other than the fact that they're bot black qbs who can run.

[Scott Weber]

your whole point is vince young sucks, and your convinced he's always going to suck even though he's only played one year and nobody knows what he's going to do down the road. and i am biased because i'm a homer, but because i am a homer i know a lot about this team and i guarentee that addai, leinhart, cutler, jones-drew, colston, or any other rookie could have led a team as shitty as the titans to an 8-5 record, so yes right now vince young struggles as a passer but you've done nothing to prove he's going to continue to struggle other than saying he's just like vick, which he's not at all other than the fact that they're bot black qbs who can run.


:wallbash:

By the way, did you really just admit that any of the other major rookies could have led the Titans to the same 8-5 record as Young? Because I'm pretty sure you did - Fail #4.

The guy hasn't proved dick. We have nothing tangible to go off of besides what he's already done. That's why I can use it effectively in a debate, and your speculation does not fly. Also, thanks for finally admitting defeat in that scrambling QB debate.

[lanolynn]

:wallbash:

By the way, did you really just admit that any of the other major rookies could have led the Titans to the same 8-5 record as Young? Because I'm pretty sure you did - Fail #4.

The guy hasn't proved dick. We have nothing tangible to go off of besides what he's already done. That's why I can use it effectively in a debate, and your speculation does not fly. Also, thanks for finally admitting defeat in that scrambling QB debate.
or you could acknowledge that he's working with a qb coach who's developed several highly talented players who didn't have the half the talent young has, and that he's only a rookie and rookies make the kind of mistakes he made. if he's still making the same mistakes over the next couple years then it'll be a problem.

[Scott Weber]

or you could acknowledge that he's working with a qb coach who's developed several highly talented players who didn't have the half the talent young has, and that he's only a rookie and rookies make the kind of mistakes he made. if he's still making the same mistakes over the next couple years then it'll be a problem.
I don't speculate about what could be until it happens... and however cliche it may seem, I have serious doubts about Vince's intelligence to learn to change his entire style of play.

[FondestMemory]

norm chow's the offensive coordinator, not the qb coach. he's in charge of the entire offense. all his time can't be spent on young. even if he were, he's got a reputation for developing qbs at the college level on a team as close to pro talent as it comes in college. he hasn't had time to prove anything in the pros, so that argument really isn't helping anything.

craig johnson is the titans qb coach, not chow. and chow will probably only be there another year anyways.

[thejetstolehome]

Sorry if you've already fielded this question, but why do you have Bush above Young? I mean, I'm a Saints fan, which made me a Bush fan, but I couldn't say that I'd vote for Bush over Young. I don't think that Young deserved the award at all. But I don't think I could say that Bush was anymore deserving.

i guess it's just bias. i'd say they were on the same level. if i were being really biased, i'd put Colston first (sup, Hofstra?). i also think if Colston hadn't gotten hurt, he would've won.

[Drew Beringer]

I would have put Colston and Jones-Drew above Addai, and I'm a huge Colts fan.

[FondestMemory]

at the end of the season i had:

colston
jones-drew
addai
bush
young

[Drew Beringer]

Addai had great numbers, but not every rookie gets to play behind a line like the Colts and have a QB like Peyton haha

[Chemical Love]

That sucks, I like Vince Young. But hey, he had a good career.

[smokedsanity]

i guess it's just bias. i'd say they were on the same level. if i were being really biased, i'd put Colston first (sup, Hofstra?). i also think if Colston hadn't gotten hurt, he would've won.

Yeah, my hopes were for Colston. Even with the injury, I believe he deserved it more than Young. Oh well. It's done now.

[Saves The Mays]

I think Vince Young will have an ALRIGHT career.

Not amazing, not horrible.

I'm also a Titans fan, though.

[nfggc10]

I think Vince Young will have an ALRIGHT career.

Not amazing, not horrible.

I'm also a Titans fan, though.
They'll definitely regret not taking Cutler or Leinart though. I never understood how analysts said before that draft that Young had more upside than those two. Hopefully one day general managers will realize that a strong pocket passing qb will always be >>>>>> than a running qb with questionable accuracy and poor decision making skills.

[livethesounds]

i think its laughable that people think they know the outcome if VYs career. He's played 1 fucking season. Give him a couple more before you write him off.
And the same thing said for the people putting him on a pedestal.
I'm getting sick of everyone being like "hes shit" or "hes god" hes neither right now ok???

[nfggc10]

i think its laughable that people think they know the outcome if VYs career. He's played 1 fucking season. Give him a couple more before you write him off.
And the same thing said for the people putting him on a pedestal.
I'm getting sick of everyone being like "hes shit" or "hes god" hes neither right now ok???Although rookie seasons are usually a struggle, it's definitely telling as far as seeing someone's tendencies and what their potential is. But anyone with at least reasonable football knowledge can tell that, as of now, he's a less talented Vick like many of us have said before. He's a step slower and has similar tendencies for failing to properly read defenses and bailing on plays before they can even develop. Again, I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong if he turns out to better than I expect but I just don't see that happening and if he has a better career than Leinart and Cutler I'd be more than shocked.

[livethesounds]

Although rookie seasons are usually a struggle, it's definitely telling as far as seeing someone's tendencies and what their potential is. But anyone with at least reasonable football knowledge can tell that, as of now, he's a less talented Vick like many of us have said before. He's a step slower and has similar tendencies for failing to properly read defenses and bailing on plays before they can even develop. Again, I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong if he turns out to better than I expect but I just don't see that happening and if he has a better career than Leinart and Cutler I'd be more than shocked.

Vick was the first of his kind. He had no proof that his way would not work in the NFL, its obvious now that it does not. VY has stated many times he knows he has to be a passing quarterback first.
The titans let Young run the first year, they're in the process of changing his throwing motion and working on his mechanics right now. I'm confident that the VY you saw last year won't look like the VY of this year. for better or worse.
thats not me being a titans fan, thats fact. I'm tired of everyone comparing him to Vick. This is a different situation, just because both of them are amazing running quarterbacks DOES NOT mean they're destined for the same fate.

[Scott Weber]

Vick was the first of his kind. He had no proof that his way would not work in the NFL, its obvious now that it does not. VY has stated many times he knows he has to be a passing quarterback first.
The titans let Young run the first year, they're in the process of changing his throwing motion and working on his mechanics right now. I'm confident that the VY you saw last year won't look like the VY of this year. for better or worse.
thats not me being a titans fan, thats fact. I'm tired of everyone comparing him to Vick. This is a different situation, just because both of them are amazing running quarterbacks DOES NOT mean they're destined for the same fate.

http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/images/cunningham-randall-phe-1.jpg


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[nfggc10]

Vick was the first of his kind. He had no proof that his way would not work in the NFL, its obvious now that it does not. VY has stated many times he knows he has to be a passing quarterback first.
The titans let Young run the first year, they're in the process of changing his throwing motion and working on his mechanics right now. I'm confident that the VY you saw last year won't look like the VY of this year. for better or worse.
thats not me being a titans fan, thats fact. I'm tired of everyone comparing him to Vick. This is a different situation, just because both of them are amazing running quarterbacks DOES NOT mean they're destined for the same fate.Any intelligent person could've concluded his style wouldn't work in the NFL. He can outrun slow college defenses but pro defenses are built around speed and it shows in how his career has unfolded. And how can you not compare him to Vick? Coming out of college, Vince was last year Vick and the way he played last season showed how unintelligent/immature he is. Unfortunately, offensive coordinators/qb coaches can't teach running qbs to look for the pass first rather than look for a scrambling hole. I'm not sure how someone could defend how he played last season and mistake it for being a positive step towards this season. He played like a chicken with his head cut off and now that defenses have all that film to look at he'll probably be even more ineffective despite Tennessee's intentions for him.

http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/images/cunningham-randall-phe-1.jpg


.............indeed, saved me the time of finding his picture

[mht]

I still believe Jones-Drew was robbed by this clown in Rookie honors.

[thejetstolehome]

I still believe Jones-Drew was robbed by this clown in Rookie honors.

you and everyone else--except for the voters, apparently. the writers drank way too much of the VY Kool Aid to even be remotely objective.

[mht]

you and everyone else--except for the voters, apparently. the writers drank way too much of the VY Kool Aid to even be remotely objective.


I just felt the other rookies in his[Vince Young] class weren't even given a fair look regardless if they deserved it or not. I thought plenty of guys had good seasons last year for their first into the league. A lot of players were fun to watch besides Vince.

[nfggc10]

I just felt the other rookies in his[Vince Young] class weren't even given a fair look regardless if they deserved it or not. I thought plenty of guys had good seasons last year for their first into the league. A lot of players were fun to watch besides Vince.
....and actually had the numbers to back up good rookie seasons unlike the clown that won it.

[mht]

....and actually had the numbers to back up good rookie seasons unlike the clown that won it.

I enjoyed watching some of these younger guys last season put up some decent numbers, hopefully their sophmore seasons this year will be just as good to watch.

[livethesounds]

http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/images/cunningham-randall-phe-1.jpg


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what? Cunningham was a good passer, he wasnt a run first type player. At least not that I remember.
He's a much different quarterback than the "mobile" quarterbacks that have been in the league before.

[livethesounds]

i quit. i wont talk about VY again till next season. its impossible to argue with everyone in this forum when everyone has some sort of a grudge against the guy. you don't even want to see my arguments.

[nfggc10]

i quit. i wont talk about VY again till next season. its impossible to argue with everyone in this forum when everyone has some sort of a grudge against the guy. you don't even want to see my arguments.No arguments can make up for his awful qb rating and poor decision making skills, even for a rookie....

[Scott Weber]

what? Cunningham was a good passer, he wasnt a run first type player. At least not that I remember.
He's a much different quarterback than the "mobile" quarterbacks that have been in the league before.
Cunningham ran for 900+ yards in one season. Check your memory.

[FondestMemory]

both sides of the argument are pretty ridiculous and redundant.

i'm in the camp of being a huge vy doubter, but i'm willing to admit that he played a lot better as a rookie than i ever thought he would. his poise and leadership carried over better than i expected.

but with that said, his play wasn't nearly as great as everybody's making it out to be. people are attempting to put him at superstar level when he isn't anywhere near that. his decision making was shit, he made multiple mistakes, and his passing was atrocious. he made his share of big plays, but he also made more than his fair share of poor plays.

everything he did was overrated. his win/loss record was relatively deceiving. their streak included a fluke 60+ yd fg as time expired and an implosion by eli manning.

either way, he's played one year. he could improve on what he needs to and eventually elevate himself to the level people want to put him at now, or he could be a flash in the pan and never really elevate his game from his rookie season and fade away into mediocracy.

i'm still heavily leaning toward the latter, but there can be an argument made either way. what it all comes down to though is that it's just too early to tell.

[livethesounds]

both sides of the argument are pretty ridiculous and redundant.

i'm in the camp of being a huge vy doubter, but i'm willing to admit that he played a lot better as a rookie than i ever thought he would. his poise and leadership carried over better than i expected.

but with that said, his play wasn't nearly as great as everybody's making it out to be. people are attempting to put him at superstar level when he isn't anywhere near that. his decision making was shit, he made multiple mistakes, and his passing was atrocious. he made his share of big plays, but he also made more than his fair share of poor plays.

everything he did was overrated. his win/loss record was relatively deceiving. their streak included a fluke 60+ yd fg as time expired and an implosion by eli manning.

either way, he's played one year. he could improve on what he needs to and eventually elevate himself to the level people want to put him at now, or he could be a flash in the pan and never really elevate his game from his rookie season and fade away into mediocracy.

i'm still heavily leaning toward the latter, but there can be an argument made either way. what it all comes down to though is that it's just too early to tell.

i feel the same way, although i'm not a doubter, it's hard to be a doubter when you're a titans fan.