Police Fire Rubber Bullets On Immigrant Rights Protestors

[Love As Arson]

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[aminorthreat55]

That is bullshit.

[JIMMYateEARTH]

I heard they started throwing rocks at the police first, so I'd say thier actions are justified. IT is non-letheal tactic.

They could have shot them with real bullet's, but I don't think teh intent was to kill them

[JIMMYateEARTH]

WOW, I take it back those officers where way over zealous.

[Love As Arson]

I heard they started throwing rocks at the police first, so I'd say thier actions are justified. IT is non-letheal tactic.

They could have shot them with real bullet's, but I don't think teh intent was to kill them
It was a three or four anarchists who were provoking the police.

[Justin_stacy]

three or four idiots is enough to make everyone suffer....which was probably the goal of the "anarchists" in the first place.

[trindaddy]

that was bullshit. they used excessive force against peaceful people.

[Love As Arson]

three or four idiots is enough to make everyone suffer....which was probably the goal of the "anarchists" in the first place.
So, the police are justified in using brutality when the few may easily be arrested? Ridiculous.

[JIMMYateEARTH]

It was a three or four anarchists who were provoking the police.

Yeah I posted that before I watched the video. Just goes to show how a couple bad apples ruin it for everyone else.

[Justin_stacy]

So, the police are justified in using brutality when the few may easily be arrested? Ridiculous.

Brutality? Easy arrests in an uncontrolled crowd?

How would you like me to respond to something we both know isn't true or that my original comment had no relation to?

[JIMMYateEARTH]

Brutality? Easy arrests in an uncontrolled crowd?

How would you like me to respond to something we both know isn't true or that my original comment had no relation to?

Dude, thats just how he argues.

I'm ussually a advocate for police brutality, but those offficers went way above and beyond the color of the law there

[HeyCoffeeEyes]

Police brutality is basically the point of the LAPD.

And Justin_stacy, did you even watch the fucking video? Because if you look at the way the people from the news agency, the people in the park, and the people at the tents were treated, there's no way to say it was a justifed reaction. People who weren't in the park provoked the police, then the police swarmed into the park where they knew there were tons of people and started shit.

I don't get how so-called-conservatives like you are all "I dont trust the government to spend my money", but any dipshit with a uniform and a gun can suddenly do no wrong.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Police brutality is basically the point of the LAPD.

And Justin_stacy, did you even watch the fucking video? Because if you look at the way the people from the news agency, the people in the park, and the people at the tents were treated, there's no way to say it was a justifed reaction. People who weren't in the park provoked the police, then the police swarmed into the park where they knew there were tons of people and started shit.

I don't get how so-called-conservatives like you are all "I dont trust the government to spend my money", but any dipshit with a uniform and a gun can suddenly do no wrong.


the root of the problem

[x togepi x]

that's what i love about people of authoritarian strains. four people "throwing rocks" at police, whom are trained to deal with situations like that, are enough to justify a police riot?

This is the logical extension of the right's anti-immigrant and good vs evil rhetoric. making the dehumanization of activists (ooh those leftists want to destroy america!) and immigrants (oh noes! they're making it so we might have to speak two languages) your public policy causes a trickle down that causes things like this.

[Love As Arson]

Brutality? Easy arrests in an uncontrolled crowd?

How would you like me to respond to something we both know isn't true or that my original comment had no relation to?
As Togepi said, they're trained in these sort of situations, so their excessive force is unwarranted and indicative of a larger problem with the LAPD.

[JIMMYateEARTH]

As Togepi said, they're trained in these sort of situations, so their excessive force is unwarranted and indicative of a larger problem with the LAPD.

That is hopefully not how they were trained

[JIMMYateEARTH]

but it probably was. YEH LAPD setting standards in policing

[Justin_stacy]

As Togepi said, they're trained in these sort of situations, so their excessive force is unwarranted and indicative of a larger problem with the LAPD.

Two things.

One your accusations aren't founded by the evidence you've presented. The brutality claim is nonsense.....and the excessive force and unwarranted claims are all in relation to the level of the provocation, which isn't shown in the video and isn't going to be told by the masses acting unruly.

Two, where in the comment you quoted originally, did I defend the actions of the LAPD? Did I say their actions were justified? Did I say these people deserved what they got? Nope. I commented on how a few ignorant animals, you call them anarchist (self centered pricks is more apt, but that's another discussion), can ruin an event for everyone and how that (note the self centered pricks) might be their intend goal in the first place. How is that a defense of the LAPD‘s actions?

You can't create something that isn't there and try to make an arguement out of it....

[Justin_stacy]

Dude, thats just how he argues.

That's not arguing.

[Love As Arson]

but it probably was. YEH LAPD setting standards in policing
Considering the track record of the LAPD, it is a reasonable to assume that they are trained in such a way.

Two things.

One your accusations aren't founded by the evidence you've presented. The brutality claim is nonsense.....and the excessive force and unwarranted claims are all in relation to the level of the provocation, which isn't shown in the video and isn't going to be told by the masses acting unruly.
By all accounts, the demonstration was peaceful, save for a few individuals who could have been dealt with. The hysteria did not begin until the police responded by beating up and shooting random individuals, as can be seen in the video.


Two, where in the comment you quoted originally, did I defend the actions of the LAPD? Did I say their actions were justified? Did I say these people deserved what they got? Nope. I commented on how a few ignorant animals, you call them anarchist (self centered pricks is more apt, but that's another discussion), can ruin an event for everyone and how that (note the self centered pricks) might be their intend goal in the first place. How is that a defense of the LAPD‘s actions?

You can't create something that isn't there and try to make an arguement out of it....
My point of contention was with what seemed to be a rationalisation of what occurred. Specifically, the idea that four people are able to ruin an entire demonstration.

[JIMMYateEARTH]

Considering the track record of the LAPD, it is a reasonable to assume that they are trained in such a way.


By all accounts, the demonstration was peaceful, save for a few individuals who could have been dealt with. The hysteria did not begin until the police responded by beating up and shooting random individuals, as can be seen in the video.


My point of contention was with what seemed to be a rationalisation of what occurred. Specifically, the idea that four people are able to ruin an entire demonstration.

wasn't disagreeing

The video dosen't really show that.

[Justin_stacy]

My point of contention was with what seemed to be a rationalisation of what occurred. Specifically, the idea that four people are able to ruin an entire demonstration.
Did you not say 3 or 4 "anarchist" provoked the police into action, which in turn lead to the break up of the parade? Ergo 3 or 4 people ruined the day for everyone else. Honestly, is that simplistic enough for you?

[Ambulance X]

Nice. Get those illegal clowns under control.

[HeyCoffeeEyes]

Honestly, is that simplistic enough for you?

I apologize in advance for the rant, but this is a pet peeve of mine.

"Simple" and "simplistic" do not mean the same thing. "Simple" means not complicated. "Simplistic" means that an explanation is inapropriately un-complicated. As in you left out aspects of the thing-being-explained that ought to be accounted for. It's a bad thing.

Yet people continue to write "simplistic" in the place of "simple" because... well, I don't know. I guess they think the extra syllables make them look smarter.

See, I don't have to engage your arguments either. There are many axes along which you prove yourself to be an idiot.

[Iamhome]

When the cop says move - move.

[Justin_stacy]

I apologize in advance for the rant, but this is a pet peeve of mine.

"Simple" and "simplistic" do not mean the same thing. "Simple" means not complicated. "Simplistic" means that an explanation is inapropriately un-complicated. As in you left out aspects of the thing-being-explained that ought to be accounted for. It's a bad thing.

Yet people continue to write "simplistic" in the place of "simple" because... well, I don't know. I guess they think the extra syllables make them look smarter.

See, I don't have to engage your arguments either. There are many axes along which you prove yourself to be an idiot.

With all do respect, if you're going to be a grammar bitch on a message board (which by the way is unquestionably pathetic), wouldn't it be wise to at least spell check one’s rant before posting it?

Pointing out unimportant grammar flaws that no one really cares about, or helps your argument, doesn’t really have the same punch when you make a simple spelling error in the attack.

[HeyCoffeeEyes]

When the cop says move - move.

Freedom assembly is not freedom to tremble in fear and always obey the man in uniform.

Freedom of assembly is not freedom to disperse under threat of violence as soon as some thugs with guns throw a tantrum.

PS: Where exactly did the police want these people to move to? They descend in, batoning, gassing, and shooting people. And then continue moving INTO THE CROWD and doing the same. And if someone falls or doesn't move fast enough, they attack. What the fuck are you supposed to do? Where are you supposed to go?

[HeyCoffeeEyes]

With all do respect, if you're going to be a grammar bitch on a message board (which by the way is unquestionably pathetic), wouldn't it be wise to at least spell check one’s rant before posting it?

Pointing out unimportant grammar flaws that no one really cares about, or helps your argument, doesn’t really have the same punch when you make a simple spelling error in the attack.


Its not a spelling or grammar error. I dont care about spelling or grammar. Its you using a word to mean something other than what it plainly means because you want to sound more intelligent than you are. Word use =/= grammar. Step up your vocab.

[the thread]

has anyone seen any of the footage from the Chicago Democratic Convention in the 19060's? unbelievably scary what those pigs did to all those people. Seattle in 1999 wasnt much different. Cops love using force, and I think a lot of them wait for the opportunity for a protest, so they can bash some skulls.

[Love As Arson]

Did you not say 3 or 4 "anarchist" provoked the police into action, which in turn lead to the break up of the parade? Ergo 3 or 4 people ruined the day for everyone else. Honestly, is that simplistic enough for you?
Yes, but, as I said, three or four people should not have been able to do so. Your post seemed to imply that it was a natural response. If that isn't your position, then so be it.

[Justin_stacy]

Its not a spelling or grammar error. I dont care about spelling or grammar. Its you using a word to mean something other than what it plainly means because you want to sound more intelligent than you are. Word use =/= grammar. Step up your vocab.

This is almost comical. Simplistic gives off an aura of superiority? That’s the argument you’re making? I almost wish it were a grammar issue, at least that I could sort of respect.

You know I’ve been attack on this board by individuals with elitist mindsets numerous times before but I've got to say this one takes the cake. Yes my underlying goal with using the word simplistic was to make myself look superior to Arson, not the more logical or easer to come to conclusion that I was frustrated in having to repeat myself for the third fucking time in one day. Besides making yourself look like a ass, what was your goal here? Would you like me to ask for Arson's forgiveness for this hence crime?

I’m sorry my word choice wasn‘t prissy enough for your liking, and hand on the bible i will make an honest attempt to change that in the future.

[Justin_stacy]

Yes, but, as I said, three or four people should not have been able to do so. Your post seemed to imply that it was a natural response. If that isn't your position, then so be it.


Of course they shouldn't of but unfortunately that's what happens everytime these mass gatherings happen. 3 or 4 people have the power to ruin things for a much larger group.........that was what I was commenting on. I didn't take one side in that statement between the police or the gathers....personally i thought that was pretty clear.

[sayyes]

Reminds me of the cops in Harold and Kumar.

[JIMMYateEARTH]

When the cop says move - move.

advice to live by

[Iamhome]

Freedom assembly is not freedom to tremble in fear and always obey the man in uniform.

Freedom of assembly is not freedom to disperse under threat of violence as soon as some thugs with guns throw a tantrum.

PS: Where exactly did the police want these people to move to? They descend in, batoning, gassing, and shooting people. And then continue moving INTO THE CROWD and doing the same. And if someone falls or doesn't move fast enough, they attack. What the fuck are you supposed to do? Where are you supposed to go?

Did you get shot too? The way you're talking makes it seem like you were there. My guess is you're judging by a 5 minute video that was released by the MEDIA. The Media is supposed to make things seem interesting so that people will pay attention. I'm sure there is a lot of the story that is left out. I'm not saying the cops were right in their actions - but it looks to me like the people who got shot were at the BACK of the crowd, when they could've easily been in the front. My opinion stands - You know cops are going to be dicks whether it is right or wrong - they are the Authority so when they say move, move. Don't stand around and ask them why you have to move, or why you can't grab a soda real quick, just get the fuck out of the way so they don't use their 'power' against you.

advice to live by

I hope you're being serious. You can never really tell on this website.

[x togepi x]

Did you get shot too? The way you're talking makes it seem like you were there. My guess is you're judging by a 5 minute video that was released by the MEDIA. The Media is supposed to make things seem interesting so that people will pay attention. I'm sure there is a lot of the story that is left out. I'm not saying the cops were right in their actions - but it looks to me like the people who got shot were at the BACK of the crowd, when they could've easily been in the front. My opinion stands - You know cops are going to be dicks whether it is right or wrong - they are the Authority so when they say move, move. Don't stand around and ask them why you have to move, or why you can't grab a soda real quick, just get the fuck out of the way so they don't use their 'power' against you.
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Yeah, those children they shot could have been at the front of the riot.

i laugh at your notion that because the cops are the "authority" that means you should submit to them. i'd continue, but i highly doubt you're in the mood for that kind of discussion. go back to blaming the media like a good sheep.

[tambam]

This is unbelieveable.

[karmapolicia]

My neighbor is a freelance photographer and was across the street (along Wilshire Blvd. and Grand View St.) from Macarthur park during the whole situation. From his point of view, the LAPD unit that was assigned to secure the area seemed like they had no idea what they were doing. I looked through a couple of pictures and saw this particular photo where one officer clubbed a kid on the legs. On the next two or so exposures, that same officer helped up the kid and "lightly" shoved him w/ his baton. It's ridiculous. I've been living in L.A. my whole life, and i'm just ashamed of the whole incident. I know that the LAPD has a long history of corruption, what with the 1992 riot and the Rampart scandal, but this really shows how unprofessional these officers were. At a time when Bratton is under speculation for his performance as police chief, this just makes things worst for him.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Did you get shot too? The way you're talking makes it seem like you were there. My guess is you're judging by a 5 minute video that was released by the MEDIA. The Media is supposed to make things seem interesting so that people will pay attention. I'm sure there is a lot of the story that is left out. I'm not saying the cops were right in their actions - but it looks to me like the people who got shot were at the BACK of the crowd, when they could've easily been in the front. My opinion stands - You know cops are going to be dicks whether it is right or wrong - they are the Authority so when they say move, move. Don't stand around and ask them why you have to move, or why you can't grab a soda real quick, just get the fuck out of the way so they don't use their 'power' against you.



I hope you're being serious. You can never really tell on this website.


yes they are the authority
they should be secure in that authority

the problem is when cops go around trying to assert their authority as if to prove that they have it. thats not authority. thats a bully on a school yard.

and as far as your "Did you get shot too?" question to HeyCoffeeEyes

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" - Martin Luther King Jr.

[JIMMYateEARTH]

I hope you're being serious. You can never really tell on this website.

I was very serious.

[Iamhome]

Yeah, those children they shot could have been at the front of the riot.

i laugh at your notion that because the cops are the "authority" that means you should submit to them. i'd continue, but i highly doubt you're in the mood for that kind of discussion. go back to blaming the media like a good sheep.
Good sheep? So the media wasn't just showing the video that sparks the most interest?

Really?

yes they are the authority
they should be secure in that authority

the problem is when cops go around trying to assert their authority as if to prove that they have it. thats not authority. thats a bully on a school yard.
and as far as your "Did you get shot too?" question to HeyCoffeeEyes
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" - Martin Luther King Jr.

I never said the cops were right...

I was very serious.
Thank you.