Ryan Sinn No Longer with AVA

[Jason Tate]

Ryan Sinn has left (http://armyofangels.com) Angels and Airwaves (http://www.absolutepunk.net/angelsandairwaves).
Music to me has always been a very very dear thing. An outlet of creation, frustration, desire, love, pain, and expression of all kind. It's art. It's an extension of the individual making it. It's something that I feel you should do your best at. You should practice and push yourself to always do better than you are. It's the only way I can communicate to myself and learn more about who I am, or who I really am underneath all the distractions and fabrications of who we think we are.

Individualism is also something I take to heart. I've never really understood the need to belong to something so bad that changing who you are becomes unimportant. The desire to be part of the herd doesn't make sense to me. Being who you are and not who someone else wants you to be can take a lot courage, although it seems rediculous that it should. it should be first nature. To just be who you are. Love what you Love and love that you are different, in your own unique ways

With that being said, and without me lamenting on that for paragraph after paragraph as i will do when philosophies are brought up. And sinse for reasons unknown to me, the band nor their management have decided not to inform any of you anything beyond what contribute to their success, i have come to say goodbye.

I recieved a phone call the evening of April 19th that concluded my relationship with Angels And Airwaves. I could go into an entire novel about my opinions of the whole matter and why I was given the axe, but to me, throwing dirt just seems desperate and tabloidial.

All I'll say as to why I was kicked out, the reasons I was given weren't at all honest, and severely hippocritical to the point of abhorrent disgust.

I've gotten wind of a few of the rumors floating around the virtual lifesource, and I'll say that I would never leave a band because of a clash of ideas, or control. To me a band is a clash of ideas and control. How can you push your artwork in a band to be better withouth having clashings of ideas and control?

But that doesn't really matter, none of it does. What matters to me now is freedom. Freedom to express myself and the freedom to be exactly who I am.

As for the fanclub, I tried to shape this place up, I'm sorry that none of the ideas you and I had were ever implemented. Maybe someday they will. I hope for all of you who paid your money that they use some of them.

Some of you here have a good sense about what this fan club really is, and the rest of you have been really awesome about taking it upon yourselves to improve things here. If any of you want to spend an additional $30 for nothing, email me and I'll give you an address to send a check

i appologise that it's been near a month sinse this went down and you've all been in the dark as rumors have made their rounds. But perhaps following a message blindly and praising the meaning of do as I say not as I do is the exclamation point of the issue.

See you again somewhere, sometime

Ryan Sinn
Submitted by Ross

[bs7090]

hmmm.

[blink182baboon]

I listened to AvA tonight for the first time in months. I could probably enjoy the music a little bit more if I didn't believe all of these horrible things I've heard about Tom. That's all I can think about when I listen to it.

[james77]

ha! i'm 100% sure tom kicked him out. he probably had another vision from god, or whatever he's calling them nowadays.

i'd love to see this band fall apart.

[TJ Wells]

Do you sleep, Tate? Not that I do, so I can't say much. But i'm just curious.

[Jason Tate]

Do you sleep, Tate? Not that I do, so I can't say much. But i'm just curious.
Sometimes.

[blink182baboon]

Haha just noticed the link is off. It goes to some funny image library.

It's www.thearmyofangels.com

[RiCCioLi]

ooo man, things arent looking good for AvA. This makes me sad cause I was looking forward to anotehr album and this movie that was supposed to be released. I wonder what will happen with that. Im sure Tom kicked him out, but I wont bad mouth him because I still got love for the guy even with his HUGE ego trip. Maybe the band will totally break up and blink 182 will exist again in the distant future??

[blink182baboon]

I would prefer +44 to a forced blink.

[kylestarr]

he should join +44

[Jason Tate]

I would prefer +44 to a forced blink.
Me too.

[thisisadisaster]

interesting.

[nfgdragon]

I always thought Ryan Sinn was the weakest link anyways. His bass playing in AVA is competent and tasteful, but mostly just adequate.

[falloutboy.]

im putting all the money on tom being a dick on this one.

[theophane]

where is this taken from ?

[morte]

I don't know why Tom wanted to have a band, he should have gone solo and have some studio/tour musicians if he wanted to control everything.

[Jason Tate]

I don't know why Tom wanted to have a band, he should have gone solo and have some studio/tour musicians if he wanted to control everything.
Kinda thought that's what this band was anyway? No?

[trindaddy]

I would prefer +44 to a forced blink.


as of now, i honestly hope blink doesn't ever get back together. the music might be ok, but two of the members would be miserable in the end because of how egocentric tom is. im almost to the breaking point of never supporting tom again. i've went on this "new musical journey" long enough with him to realize he's a complete dick. sure, there is no evidence that tom actually kicked the guy out, but lets face it, this band is tom's, and nobody else's.

[morte]

Kinda thought that's what this band was anyway? No?Yeah, that's what it looks like, however he would always say that it was a band and they talked about everything and it was not a solo project, when it is.

[garlicgirl1210]

ava is drama central. ew.

[wessa]

i love how the guy writes this overly contrived response which he obviously spent hours on, and then proceeds to spell "sinse" twice.

Can people in bands stop with all the drama they infuse in their writing and just say, "i was kicked out of the band, "insert name here" is the reason." We don't need to hear the same crap about what they take to heart and what music means to them.

[J_169]

this has tom written all over it

[Neptune]

bla bla bla who gives a shit.

[petrie182]

I think Ryan should have recieved a notice that he should use spell check, sinse the spelling in this update is rediculous. I appologise, I'm just kidding.

[ZeoVGM]

Ugh, I hate when people try to sound so meaningful and deep.

Then they spell things "appologise" and "sinse" and it becomes hard to take them seriously.

This band is so damn pretentious all around.

[Dan CiTi]

I listened to AvA tonight for the first time in months. I could probably enjoy the music a little bit more if I didn't believe all of these horrible things I've heard about Tom. That's all I can think about when I listen to it.
I agree. They could be enjoyable/decent if only Tom wasn't so..."dumb" I guess.

[LewistonSpecial]

Tom is a stick of fuck, it saddens me that I can not really support him anymore.

[Shoes]

ha! i'm 100% sure tom kicked him out. he probably had another vision from god.
Hahahaha probably. Tom is such a dick nowadays, I have no idea why they are selling anything and +44 haven't done as well.

[Stringbean]

Tom has got some serious issues. He will continue to have problems working with any other musicians. He should just make music on his own and hire studio guys to play on tour. Then it is just about the money and all the ego bullshit can be put aside. Not that I would buy into any of it, though. +44 is a much better deal in my eyes.

[codypayne]

didnt realize they were still active.

[nicolerork]

Okay.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

ha! i'm 100% sure tom kicked him out. he probably had another vision from god, or whatever he's calling them nowadays.

i'd love to see this band fall apart.

Lol.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

he should join +44

[thewk]

I'd care much more if I liked this band. I just think Tom is behind this and if so, he's a big meany.

[I.O]

No care at all until tom records something in the vein of chesire cat again.

[PunkDrums182]

hah.. Tom.

[nulemoni]

It doesn't really matter. This is a 1 person band with back-up players. Tom is the only one that matters. Many people do this once the band that brought them to fame has broken up:

Dave Grohl - Foo Fighters
Trent Rezner - NIN (THE example of a 1 man band)
Bob Mould - Sugar (after break up of Husker Du)

This is nothing new.

[KittensPewPew]

wait wait wait.....so there are other people in this band BESIDES Tom DeLonge? Could have fooled me

:worship:

[RelaxNoRelapse]

Dave Grohl - Foo Fighters


Dont ever mention Dave Grohl in the same vein as fucking Tom Delonge.

[like_satellites]

my guess is this is toms doings. that man is getting to big for his boots. i don't think he appreciates things enough.

mind you ryan's better off anyway. ava blows big time.

[eggheaddetuss]

this is the biggest joke. i have respect for AVA because their music is somewhat good. but FU tom delonge. he's a jerk. he used to be a cool person in blink. mark hoppus - tom > ava x 912301290324

[nick2864]

ha! i'm 100% sure tom kicked him out. he probably had another vision from god, or whatever he's calling them nowadays.

hahahahaha :-D

[leftstranded]

this band sucks

so no one should care

[mht]

It doesn't really matter. This is a 1 person band with back-up players. Tom is the only one that matters. Many people do this once the band that brought them to fame has broken up:
Dave Grohl - Foo Fighters
Trent Rezner - NIN (THE example of a 1 man band)
Bob Mould - Sugar (after break up of Husker Du)
This is nothing new.


Idiot.

[GeorgeMichaelBluth]

hippocritical?

http://www.wildlife-pictures-online.com/image-files/hippo_zamriv-10033.jpg

[emiliodelgado]

whats pitiful is people ripping apart the dudes spelling, who gives a rats ass if he mispelled a few words? seriously is does not make you smarter than anyone else, nor does it make you cool. drop it.

[Jaynicgurl]

So what if he misspelled his words? Some users on this website are WAY worse. And let's not even get started on punctuation.....:book:

[ZeoVGM]

whats pitiful is people ripping apart the dudes spelling, who gives a rats ass if he mispelled a few words? seriously is does not make you smarter than anyone else, nor does it make you cool. drop it.

No, no. It DOES make us smarter.

Actually, it would be easier to ignore if he weren't trying to sound incredibly intelligent in what he is saying, only to make junior high spelling mistakes.

When you purposely try to come off as intelligent and pretentious, you're going to get called out on things like that.

[soundofthebrown]

:-0

[relevanceof27]

No, no. It DOES make us smarter.

Actually, it would be easier to ignore if he weren't trying to sound incredibly intelligent in what he is saying, only to make junior high spelling mistakes.

When you purposely try to come off as intelligent and pretentious, you're going to get called out on things like that.

Agreed. Spelling and grammar are skills that don't necessarily make one "smarter," it just makes a person sound (or in this case, read) smarter. Learning how to spell or write correctly isn't at all difficult; I haven't learned a "new" grammatical rule since 5th grade.

[Jaynicgurl]

No, no. It DOES make us smarter.

Actually, it would be easier to ignore if he weren't trying to sound incredibly intelligent in what he is saying, only to make junior high spelling mistakes.

When you purposely try to come off as intelligent and pretentious, you're going to get called out on things like that.

I personally don't think that's the case. I think he was trying to give a valid response to this whole situation, and saying goodbye with some class, rather than ripping apart Tom and the rest of the crew (Something Tom would have done if he was told he was no longer in the band for unclear reasons). I think fans would appreciate this more than us. Some people naturally go on and on when they type out things like this. I think he tried to explain the best he could. Being told you are no longer in the band is like a divorce, and it's hard sometimes.

[Get Fucked]

I always thought Ryan Sinn was the weakest link anyways. His bass playing in AVA is competent and tasteful, but mostly just adequate.Uhh, let me introduce you to Mr. Barely-adequate on the guitar, Tom Delonge!

[azrielen]

Wait, Angels & Airwaves didn't break up months ago? O.o Dang and I was so happy thinking that...

[mrzippo3]

I really like that he made the point about the fan club being worthless cause I did pay the money for it and got absolutely nothing special in return besides access to some stupid fan club member only website.

[Jaynicgurl]

Uhh, let me introduce you to Mr. Barely-adequate on the guitar, Tom Delonge!

Ta-Da!

[jantelis]

Why is tom such a douche, Someone tell him to go take vocal lessons please he couldent sing in blink and he cant sing now. Autotune, and the harmonizers and reverb and delay do that dude wonders.
NO offense to any fans of the bands but thats reality.

[animmortalsoul]

No, no. It DOES make us smarter.

Actually, it would be easier to ignore if he weren't trying to sound incredibly intelligent in what he is saying, only to make junior high spelling mistakes.

When you purposely try to come off as intelligent and pretentious, you're going to get called out on things like that.

I disagree with your uses of pretentious. I think you were implying in your first post that he was pretentious because he couldn't spell. Didn't get that. And then here...My only response is that I recognize that I can't support this directly from the dictionary definition - claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified, ostentatious - but it's not really something you try to come off as. To me, the points where you can try to come off as demanding a position of merit are rather limited. Someone is pretentious, but pretentiousness isn't a style; it's more of a pattern of actions.

I don't think the guy is pretentious at all. He actually wasn't conceited at all in what he wrote...showy? Maybe. But not as much as people such as Elisa from Cobra Starship, and no one accuses them of pretense. Yeah, he doesn't look like he passed fourth grade English. But I don't think it says anything about him other than that spell-checkers were created for people like him.

[Brooklyn Kid]

and with that, i will go listen to +44 some more....

[rhinownsyou]

I disagree with your uses of pretentious. I think you were implying in your first post that he was pretentious because he couldn't spell. Didn't get that. And then here...My only response is that I recognize that I can't support this directly from the dictionary definition - claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified, ostentatious - but it's not really something you try to come off as. To me, the points where you can try to come off as demanding a position of merit are rather limited. Someone is pretentious, but pretentiousness isn't a style; it's more of a pattern of actions.

I don't think the guy is pretentious at all. He actually wasn't conceited at all in what he wrote...showy? Maybe. But not as much as people such as Elisa from Cobra Starship, and no one accuses them of pretense. Yeah, he doesn't look like he passed fourth grade English. But I don't think it says anything about him other than that spell-checkers were created for people like him.



Come on man, the guy went on a rant about individualism. I agree with the kid who was talking about being able to write well. You are right; it does not make you any smarter. However, in the same token you should take the time to read over what you wrote and correct obvious mistakes if you want to come off as serious. Especially since this was a pretty "important" letter he wrote. It was his goodbye; I figured he would want to come off as professional. And yes in order to do so one needs to spell correctly. I dunno you are right it doesn't really matter, but it was hard to take him seriously sinse he was spelling rideculous words wrong.

[BlisterMaggot]

tom needs get that shaft out of his ass and reform blink (at the very least for a reunion tour)

[Trainsaw]

Tom Delonge & The Airwaves will probably end up Tom and a rotating cast of musicians after awhile anyways, this is just the first replacement in a line of many

[Adeniz19]

hahaha why is there a fucking argument about his spelling!? give it a rest. the statement was legible enough for you guys to understand what the meaning behind it was. so what if he didn't proof read it or run spell check, we all make mistakes like that.

[JWS1986]

I listened to AvA tonight for the first time in months. I could probably enjoy the music a little bit more if I didn't believe all of these horrible things I've heard about Tom. That's all I can think about when I listen to it.


thats true... that and the songs drag out too much at the end which makes them annoying to listen to as well, but you're right on the money

[Say Hello 87]

im guessng he got sick of being at toms house 24/7 since thats the only way tom will ever record anything anyways...plus, i dont get it, why is it that according to tom the "best song he ever wrote" was written for a compilation record??? so does that mean the other 10 songs he spent over a year on for the record simply are crap now?? but wasnt he talking them up a storm before the record was even out anyways?? idk....

i NEVER want to see blink back again, cause tom is wayyyyy different then he was before...and that would destroy whatever qualities blink ever had....


plus, +44 is simply wayy better in every aspect of the game anyways. they may have taken a while longer to make their debut record, but atleast they dont have to kick a member out of the band with only one album out and then cover it up as something "god spoke to them about during sleep one night" as well probly hear from tom soon..

and oh yeah, +44 IS making a new album soon, imagine that...and they dont need to be cocky and say its the best music theyve ever written that will change humanity...cause guess what tom?? the only thing your music did, was waste a bunch of blank cds and album cases that could have been used to produce more +44 records...

im not trying to totally rip on tom here (yes i am) but isnt it obvious where this band is going?

[CountMeOut923]

i hate you ava.

[ilovebsb]

AVA is and has always been Tom Delonge. I feel bad for the remaining members that think they're actually apart of band because they're just musicians backing tom. I want another Boxcar Racer record.

[underthetalking]

This is stupid. I hate when a band member leaves or gets kicked out of a band and writes this whole sob story. Who gives a fuck? Get your check, start a new band, and move on with your fucking life. No one gives a shit what "meanies" your old bandmates are. Deal with it and move on.

[frommelyty]

ava and +44 are both horrible, bring back blink 182.

[TheAtticusFinch]

i've spent the past year defending Tom and thinking that maybe he isn't as fucked up as everyone says he is now. I'm rapidly losing support. I think AVA is some damn good music but they're pushing me into the closet with how much i want to show my support for this band. You can only ignore so many of Tom's new short-comings for so long before it dawns on you that maybe he's really lost his mind...
blink-182 got fucked up, AVA is becoming fucked up and Tom's really not the same person that drew me to his music. I think I give up on this band.

[PierceTheVeil]

ava and +44 are both horrible, bring back blink 182.

Agreed.
& Its not a matter of if but a matter of WHEN Blink will be back, It's bound to happen, for the right or wrong reasons, think of all the money that a reunion tour would make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

[SAOsurviveSTD]

he spelled ridiculous wrong.

[SAOsurviveSTD]

Agreed.
& Its not a matter of if but a matter of WHEN Blink will be back, It's bound to happen, for the right or wrong reasons, think of all the money that a reunion tour would make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

where they are in their careers I don't think the money really matters to them anymore. the three of them have more money then they could have ever wished for, they could all retire and do nothing for the rest o their lives.

tons of money wont bring back blink.

[radxbandit]

Agreed. Spelling and grammar are skills that don't necessarily make one "smarter," it just makes a person sound (or in this case, read) smarter. Learning how to spell or write correctly isn't at all difficult; I haven't learned a "new" grammatical rule since 5th grade.

yeah, reading books might help...

[relevanceof27]

yeah, reading books might help...

That's also true.

[bs7090]

haha i bet it was their manager that called him too

[bagdad]

this is a little of topic at hand, but is atom willard still in ava?, how is he going to do the offspring and ava? just curious...

[tjb4233]

this is a little of topic at hand, but is atom willard still in ava?, how is he going to do the offspring and ava? just curious...

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere he quit offspring

[Say Hello 87]

where they are in their careers I don't think the money really matters to them anymore. the three of them have more money then they could have ever wished for, they could all retire and do nothing for the rest o their lives.

tons of money wont bring back blink.

yeah seriously...

lets see here...travis owns famous stars and straps and that company is only getting bigger by the day, and since he is always in the studio with rappers or doing drums for some bands abum i gurantee you he is NOT hurting for more money either..like all we (the public) ever see of him is with a few rappers and +44 and famous and stuff...but hes got soo many more outlets then that.

mark produces constantly on his time off and producing with mark hoppus cant be cheap...thats a no brainer..he also does guest vocals on tons of bands albums...and since he sold his part of atticus and macbeth, im pretty sure he sold his part right when they were extremely famous and stuff, so im sure hes also rich from that, and the fact is, think of how much hes made off of blink..hes not hurting at all either..

toms rich too, hes even cocky about it...he admitted it in an interview..so i know that blink wouldnt come back for money purposes..

i dont want to see blink back, ill say that again...i dont..i loved blink 182 when tom was completely talking all the time about how gay he was....now, hes obsessed with war and it shows in the atticus and macbeth lines..and he only wears black (johny cash rippoff) so yeah..hes annoying.

[bradsonemanband]

Tom, Tom, Tom....... :nono:

[myownillness]

I loved the direction that Blink was going in with their last album. I think it was about time for them to abandon the immature jokes and release something that reflected their age. I agree with Tom's message and think that he makes a valid point with his music, but he has lost all credibility because his actions are completely hypocritical.

[hendyds88]

why cant we all just get along.

[secretninja]

good man. he was from the fucking distillers, he could do better than that dumbass bullshit.

[captainamazing4]

lol tom is a dick. the guy probably DID kick him out. how sad...

[DJosef]

Dont ever mention Dave Grohl in the same vein as fucking Tom Delonge.

Or Bob Mould for that matter.

[MightCatchFire]

sad.

[acor]

I think this guy should be glad he got kicked out, it means he has talent

[questionlife]

I bet my life savings that Tom did it. Dick.

[music3chick]

So, the sign of Tom kicking someone out of the band is a telephone call? haha

Oh Tom, what did you do now?
If he keeps this up, nobody is going to want to work with him. Tsk, tsk.

[jacknife666]

Atom Willard did not quit The Offspring, it was posted ages ago that he is definitly not quitting

[RandomHero1230]

I fucking hate Tom.

[joshuagilbert]

tom sucks.

[Moral_Orel]

I'd prefer (+44) over AvA or Blink andyday.

[emokid333]

Go figure

[Chris Fallon]

Hmm, I really can't say that this is a surprising news post. I can see Tom doing something like this, which is sad, but believable.

As much as I love blink still to this day, it's a shame Tom let his ego and maniacal rock star visions get the best of him. He's completely out of his gourde, and is on some crusade to make his band the music world's own second coming of Christ.

I haven't even listened to AvA since I bought the album last May, and really, I don't want to. All I can think of the whole time is Tom's attitude, and it just leaves me feeling disillusioned.

[You Won't Know]

ooo man, things arent looking good for AvA. This makes me sad cause I was looking forward to anotehr album and this movie that was supposed to be released. I wonder what will happen with that. Im sure Tom kicked him out, but I wont bad mouth him because I still got love for the guy even with his HUGE ego trip. Maybe the band will totally break up and blink 182 will exist again in the distant future??


I am completely indifferent towards AvA. Their music is a bloated, overindulgent vehicle for Tom DeLonge to stroke his ever-expanding ego. I'm all for growing as a musician, becoming a better songwriter, etc. But when you don't have the actual ability or talent to back up the "growth," it doesn't work. If Tom still wrote great 3 min. pop-punk songs, or even more-expansive rock tracks with strong hooks, I might be a fan. But until the ability/songwriting matches the vision, I won't like AvA.

[thexflamesxburn]

if only he could spell the big words he's using...

[deFobbed14yrs]

haha i bet it was their manager that called him too


haha totally. tom's a dick. i totally bet he had another "ephiphany"