Hawk Nelson (Official Thread)

[punkrock91]

Any other Hawk Nelson fans here?
Fav song?
If u want to talk about the band or have some news ore something, post it here

NO ''HAWK NELSON SUCKS'' comments..plz.. :/

[AP_Punk]

I heard they broke up.

[Yes. And?]

by the look of most of the bands in your profile...you don't seem all that "punkrock" to me.

[punkrock91]

Hawk Nelson Sucks! WELL SHUT THA FUCK UP AND GO TO HELL GOTH KID!

[Yes. And?]

WELL SHUT THA FUCK UP AND GO TO HELL GOTH KID!
???

:lolatpost:

[punkrock91]

by the look of most of the bands in your profile...you don't seem all that "punkrock" to me.then what do I seem?

[Yes. And?]

then what do I seem?
not punk.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

then what do I seem?

a slut

edit; hawk nelson sucks

[punkrock91]

yes...and thats why i'm a punkrocker.... :/

[AP_Punk]

WELL SHUT THA FUCK UP AND GO TO HELL GOTH KID!

You're not punk and I'm telling everyone.

[Yes. And?]

yes...and thats why i'm a punkrocker.... :/
:hitself:

[punkrock91]

Omg! U Think Im Emo???!!???

[AP_Punk]

Hawk Nelson Sucks!

Bahahaha, he called you a "goth kid".

[Yes. And?]

Omg! U Think Im Emo???!!???
:hitself: :hitself: :hitself:

[punkrock91]

good one...

[HangsLikeHeaven]

Bahahaha, he called you a "goth kid".

ben is scary goth

[AP_Punk]

:hitself: :hitself: :hitself:

Word.

[punkrock91]

Well Fuckin Ignorants...u Aint Got A Clue...i'm Gonna Go Cut My Self Now..

[AP_Punk]

Haha, funny.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

Well Fuckin Ignorants...u Aint Got A Clue...i'm Gonna Go Cut My Self Now..

stab yourself instead

cutting is pussy

[a speedo model]

They're terrible.

[hailthewarrior]

hawk nelson is pretty hardxcorexpunk :headbang:

everyone knows that. ;-)

[Matthew Tsai]

whoa. never in a million years did i think i'd find a hawk fan on this forum.

MY FAVORITE BAND EVER. in my opinion, best pop punk in the market. believe it or not, i like every single one of their songs.

and as far as news: they're tracking a new record in september.


hawk nelson > relient k, always.

[nonamesleft]

Hawk Nelson aren't too shabby
You're not punk
The end.

[funkel]

I've realized something about this band:

If you like them, you like them when you're in the 12-15 year old range. After that, you grow out of them.

Their lyrics are some of the worst.

"You'll never, ever, pull my lever. Not today and not forever."

[speak easy]

75% of her favorite bands go into the "most hated bands on AP.NET" forum

[hailthewarrior]

hawk nelson > relient k, always.

only in your dreams. having seen them both on the same day (festival, had to see hawk because of a friend) matt thiessen has more talent in one pinky than hawk nelson's four members combined.

[funkel]

only in your dreams. having seen them both on the same day (festival, had to see hawk because of a friend) matt thiessen has more talent in one pinky than hawk nelson's four members combined.
I agree wholeheartedly.

The song "I So Hate Consequences" or "Devastation And Reform" or "In Like A Lion (Always Winter)" are singularly better than Hawk Nelson's entire catalog.

[versus_god]

I had the displeasure of seeing them open for MxPx.

[Hinge]

i like a few hark nelson songs, im not gonna lie. but MxPx is a few thousand times better and i get to see them in 9 days! im so stoked.

[Matthew Tsai]

only in your dreams. having seen them both on the same day (festival, had to see hawk because of a friend) matt thiessen has more talent in one pinky than hawk nelson's four members combined.

relient k is wanna be punk. they have nice lyrics, but in the end, their music doesn't add up. some of the worst pop punk i've ever heard. and everyone knows hawk nelson is one of the catchiest bands out there, even if their lyrics are a little lame. just read the review by drew beringer on this site for one of their albums.

also, this is all coming from a hardcore fan. if you think your tastes are 'too mature' for some fun teeny pop punk, your tastes are immature.

[theguy77]

I agree wholeheartedly.

The song "I So Hate Consequences" or "Devastation And Reform" or "In Like A Lion (Always Winter)" are singularly better than Hawk Nelson's entire catalog.

and not just in the songwriting. that guy can play like 12 instruments.

and @ the guy who said it was the worst pop punk,

how can you seriously say that after hearing "be my escape"?

that song i will say straight up has the best chord progressions, vocal melodies, and piano parts of any pop punk song out there, and i take pride in my own music but none of my energetic songs are THAT good. one or two come close but i dont think i can match up to relient k's abilitiy.

[versus_god]

people that have been to the tooth & nail tour or are going - does anyone know what the deal is with yuri? i heard that he wasn't at the jersey show last night...i'm hoping that he'll be here for the ny show tomorrow...

His wife birthed recently, so he's sitting this tour out.

[funkel]

and not just in the songwriting. that guy can play like 12 instruments.

and @ the guy who said it was the worst pop punk,

how can you seriously say that after hearing "be my escape"?

that song i will say straight up has the best chord progressions, vocal melodies, and piano parts of any pop punk song out there, and i take pride in my own music but none of my energetic songs are THAT good. one or two come close but i dont think i can match up to relient k's abilitiy.
ftw

[ofthejetage]

if we're still discussing hawk nelson, i actually preferred their pre-tooth&nail days. the first album had some okay songs it..the second, i guess they figured they had to do away with the whole teenage angst scene, but at least they wore sort-of original (for tooth and nail/christian music listeners atleast), but now they're just yet another falling up.

[Matthew Tsai]

and not just in the songwriting. that guy can play like 12 instruments.

and @ the guy who said it was the worst pop punk,

how can you seriously say that after hearing "be my escape"?

that song i will say straight up has the best chord progressions, vocal melodies, and piano parts of any pop punk song out there, and i take pride in my own music but none of my energetic songs are THAT good. one or two come close but i dont think i can match up to relient k's abilitiy.

pfthhhhhhhhh LOL. be my escape? alright, i have to admit, the lyrics are very nice, but best chord progressions? nope. definitely not. it's so CLICHE. vocal melodies? matt thiessen has a nice voice for pop, but for pop punk, his voice just doesn't fit. it seems out of place in most of their songs.

[Gumbyjag]

i like Hawk Nelson. sure their songs tend to be immature and bouncy to the likes of Relient K but to their credit they make some catchy tunes.

[punkrock91]

i like Hawk Nelson. sure their songs tend to be immature and bouncy to the likes of Relient K but to their credit they make some catchy tunes. exactly...

[Hawk2k]

Hawk Nelson owns...

[and we whisper]

I've realized something about this band:

If you like them, you like them when you're in the 12-15 year old range. After that, you grow out of them.

Their lyrics are some of the worst.

"You'll never, ever, pull my lever. Not today and not forever."
I used to like them...that was between the ages of 12-15. Can't really stand to listen to them now, trust me, I just tried. It ain't happening...

[chrisPAIN]

good god, i saw them wednesday on the T&N tour and the singer is sporting a mohawk about 4 inches high, dyed black, with the other hair shaved down and dyed white. he had black dickies with a white shirt and a thin black tie. i wanted to remind him that he once collaborated with drake bell.

they were pretty entertaining but their set annoyed me. out of their 8 songs, 2 were covers and the stopped in teh middle of a song to have some obese girl come onstage and play kazoo.

[theguy77]

pfthhhhhhhhh LOL. be my escape? alright, i have to admit, the lyrics are very nice, but best chord progressions? nope. definitely not. it's so CLICHE. vocal melodies? matt thiessen has a nice voice for pop, but for pop punk, his voice just doesn't fit. it seems out of place in most of their songs.

hahahaha really? because i mean i play tons of songs and i dont know too many with that chord progression. i can pick out chord progressions that are a lot more cliche. and vocal melodies has nothing to do with hwo the voice sounds its the notes he sings.

[Matthew Tsai]

hahahaha really? because i mean i play tons of songs and i dont know too many with that chord progression. i can pick out chord progressions that are a lot more cliche. and vocal melodies has nothing to do with hwo the voice sounds its the notes he sings.

maybe your not a very mature music listener yet. otherwise, you don't listen to pop punk or something. but the chord progression is also VERY cliche. everyone knows that. the end.

and yeah, sorry, i was talking about his voice, not vocal melodies. the vocal melodies are actually quite good. they just need a new lead singer.

[Matthew Tsai]

I used to like them...that was between the ages of 12-15. Can't really stand to listen to them now, trust me, I just tried. It ain't happening...

they've only been around for 2 years or so, so you can't be THAT much older. why do i get the feeling you said that just to be cool?

[AP_Punk]

good god, i saw them wednesday on the T&N tour and the singer is sporting a mohawk about 4 inches high, dyed black, with the other hair shaved down and dyed white. he had black dickies with a white shirt and a thin black tie. i wanted to remind him that he once collaborated with drake bell.

they were pretty entertaining but their set annoyed me. out of their 8 songs, 2 were covers and the stopped in teh middle of a song to have some obese girl come onstage and play kazoo.

Bahahahaha, I hope someone recorded that.

[funkel]

they've only been around for 2 years or so, so you can't be THAT much older. why do i get the feeling you said that just to be cool?
Letters To The President came out in 2004. They had an EP out in 2003.

That's four years at least.
Why do I get the feeling you just said that to be cool?

[Matthew Tsai]

Letters To The President came out in 2004. They had an EP out in 2003.

That's four years at least.
Why do I get the feeling you just said that to be cool?

so? it doesn't account for the fact that they weren't more widely known until recently.

[Matthew Tsai]

Bahahahaha, I hope someone recorded that.

http://www.stickam.com/profile/mxpxlive

you can watch the entire tooth and nail tour. just change from mxpx to hawk nelson. she wasn't THAT obese (cause that's mean! :P) and hawk put on an entertaining live show.

[punkrock91]

owned..

[funkel]

so? it doesn't account for the fact that they weren't more widely known until recently.
And you know she wasn't into them back then? A band has to be more widely known before people can be into them?

[Matthew Tsai]

And you know she wasn't into them back then? A band has to be more widely known before people can be into them?

no. not at all. you don't get my point. actually, i worded it wrong.

[BuildingABetter]

WELL SHUT THA FUCK UP AND GO TO HELL GOTH KID!

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/2077/simpsonsnelsonhaha2es7.jpg

[funkel]

no. not at all. you don't get my point. actually, i worded it wrong.
If you care to re-word it, I might agree with you.

[Matthew Tsai]

If you care to re-word it, I might agree with you.

ok, what i meant was:

the person's located in manchester PA. when hawk's EP came out, it was more or less exclusively in canada. and they weren't widely known.

of course, she COULD'VE moved in the past couple of years...

[funkel]

ok, what i meant was:

the person's located in manchester PA. when hawk's EP came out, it was more or less exclusively in canada. and they weren't widely known.

of course, she COULD'VE moved in the past couple of years...
True.

But she still could have found them through the internet... :shrug:

[hailthewarrior]

relient k is wanna be punk. they have nice lyrics, but in the end, their music doesn't add up. some of the worst pop punk i've ever heard. and everyone knows hawk nelson is one of the catchiest bands out there, even if their lyrics are a little lame. just read the review by drew beringer on this site for one of their albums.

also, this is all coming from a hardcore fan. if you think your tastes are 'too mature' for some fun teeny pop punk, your tastes are immature.

pop punk = wannabe punk. let's be honest about that. musically, every album is solid in its sound.

hawk nelson is catchy, but you cant deny the fact that relient k's first three albums (pre-mmhmm) is just as if not more catchy.

also, im a huge hardcore fan, and i too, own every relient k and hawk nelson album (the latter because my mom got them for me in a tooth and nail super sale 'cause she knows i like a lot of their artists).

[Matthew Tsai]

pop punk = wannabe punk. let's be honest about that. musically, every album is solid in its sound.

hawk nelson is catchy, but you cant deny the fact that relient k's first three albums (pre-mmhmm) is just as if not more catchy.

also, im a huge hardcore fan, and i too, own every relient k and hawk nelson album (the latter because my mom got them for me in a tooth and nail super sale 'cause she knows i like a lot of their artists).

DENIED! sry if that sounded rude.

relient k's first three albums are not as catchy as hawk nelson. you just can't beat songs like something on your mind, bring em out, letters to the president, EVERY LITTLE THING and HELLO.

in my opinion, pop punk is funner than punk.

[Matthew Tsai]

^ but yeah, tooth and nail is actually my favorite record label ever.

[hailthewarrior]

DENIED! sry if that sounded rude.

relient k's first three albums are not as catchy as hawk nelson. you just can't beat songs like something on your mind, bring em out, letters to the president, EVERY LITTLE THING and HELLO.

in my opinion, pop punk is funner than punk.

every little thing is their catchiest... but must have done something right has the catchiest chorus i've ever heard, sadie hawkins dance, pink tux, and i so hate consquences are equally as catchy in my mind.

MxPx is the most fun I've had at a show, so I don't know...

^ but yeah, tooth and nail is actually my favorite record label ever.

it's in a three-way tie with TMG and Sub-Pop for me.

[funkel]

every little thing is their catchiest... but must have done something right has the catchiest chorus i've ever heard, sadie hawkins dance, pink tux, and i so hate consquences are equally as catchy in my mind.

Sadie Hawkins Dance is easily one of the the catchiest songs of all time. Won't leave your brain for days after hearing it.

[hailthewarrior]

Sadie Hawkins Dance is easily one of the the catchiest songs of all time. Won't leave your brain for days after hearing it.

OH! OH! OH!

[funkel]

OH! OH! OH!
The Sadie Hawkins Dance
in my khaki pants
There's nothing better
Oh! Oh! Oh!
The girls ask the guys
it's always a surprise
There's nothing better
baby do you like my sweater?

The falsetto "oh!"s are the best part. :nod:

[hailthewarrior]

seriously. last time i saw them, they played it, and i was the only one who knew that song (and chapstick, and the top gun medley, sigh) and thiessen loved how i was the only one who knew it.

[funkel]

seriously. last time i saw them, they played it, and i was the only one who knew that song (and chapstick, and the top gun medley, sigh) and thiessen loved how i was the only one who knew it.
Those are great moments, when the band recognizes you for knowing old songs.

They played the pennilofer song when i saw them. :dance:

[hailthewarrior]

Those are great moments, when the band recognizes you for knowing old songs.

They played the pennilofer song when i saw them. :dance:

I saw them back in the day when they only played one song off Two Lefts because it was so new. :drew:

[hailthewarrior]

because i dont feel like editing:

we totally hacked a Hawk Nelson thread by talking about relient k.

[Matthew Tsai]

you CAN'T be serious! you were the only one who knew sadies? that's sad. relient k plays wayyy to many covers, it takes away from their show, but its not like they play a great show anyways. their sets are kinda dull.

but actually, hello was stuck in my head for like 4 weeks more than sadies.

[funkel]

because i dont feel like editing:

we totally hacked a Hawk Nelson thread by talking about relient k.
Well RK is a much better band than HN, so it's ok.

I mean, Smile, It's The End Of The World is a steaming pile of crap for the most part. The only song worth listening to is "Head On Collision".

Whereas MMHMM was a pop-punk/pop-rock masterpiece, and Five Scores And Seven Years Ago was just a step down from that.

[funkel]

you CAN'T be serious! you were the only one who knew sadies? that's sad. relient k plays wayyy to many covers, it takes away from their show, but its not like they play a great show anyways. their sets are kinda dull.

but actually, hello was stuck in my head for like 4 weeks more than sadies.
They didn't play any covers when I saw them...and they were an extremely fun show, very energetic. :shrug:

[Matthew Tsai]

Well RK is a much better band than HN, so it's ok.

I mean, Smile, It's The End Of The World is a steaming pile of crap for the most part. The only song worth listening to is "Head On Collision".

Whereas MMHMM was a pop-punk/pop-rock masterpiece, and Five Scores And Seven Years Ago was just a step down from that.

ouch. actually, i hold mmhmm to be one of the most pointless, cliche cd's of all time.

[hailthewarrior]

you CAN'T be serious! you were the only one who knew sadies? that's sad. relient k plays wayyy to many covers, it takes away from their show, but its not like they play a great show anyways. their sets are kinda dull.

but actually, hello was stuck in my head for like 4 weeks more than sadies.

yeah... i was like "c'mon people. its SADIE F'IN HAWKINS"...

and, ive seen them play the top gun medley twice, but other than that, the other three times, no covers.

Well RK is a much better band than HN, so it's ok.

I mean, Smile, It's The End Of The World is a steaming pile of crap for the most part. The only song worth listening to is "Head On Collision".

Whereas MMHMM was a pop-punk/pop-rock masterpiece, and Five Scores And Seven Years Ago was just a step down from that.

I haven't actually listed to S,ITEOTW i just own it, haha. letters wasnt terrible when i was younger... but yeah, i dont think i could listen to it again with cringing.

5S7YA has some amazing songs, but mmhmm is amazing. 2 lefts still owns my heart as my fav RK

They didn't play any covers when I saw them...and they were an extremely fun show, very energetic. :shrug:

His voice is always on, and the band is always into the music.


EDIT: 2000TH POST, why this thread? *headdesk*

[hailthewarrior]

ouch. actually, i hold mmhmm to be one of the most pointless, cliche cd's of all time.

Letters To The President wasn't cliche?

[funkel]

I haven't actually listed to S,ITEOTW i just own it, haha. letters wasnt terrible when i was younger... but yeah, i dont think i could listen to it again with cringing.
Exactly. I used to constantly spin Letters. But at some point, you just realize "This isn't that great..."


5S7YA has some amazing songs, but mmhmm is amazing. 2 lefts still owns my heart as my fav RK

I'd put MMHMM as my favorite, and Two Lefts second, and barely after that, 5S7YA.
Asides from some gems (Sadie Hawkins Dance being one), everything before Two Lefts was dull.[/quote]


His voice is always on, and the band is always into the music.
Word.

[funkel]

Letters To The President wasn't cliche?
She said "We were in love"
I take a drink from my water bottle"

:lol:

[hailthewarrior]

Exactly. I used to constantly spin Letters. But at some point, you just realize "This isn't that great..."


I'd put MMHMM as my favorite, and Two Lefts second, and barely after that, 5S7YA.
Asides from some gems (Sadie Hawkins Dance being one), everything before Two Lefts was dull.


Word.

I believe that moment for me was the first time I heard "Walls" by Emery.

Pretty much agree, 'cept MMHMM and 5S7YA tie for me in second before 2 Lefts, 3 Do.

I was mad I missed them with Mae and Sherwood, but I got to see Underoath, Norma Jean, and Maylene two days in a row, so I didn't really care too much... though, MxPx (with Hawk Nelson, lol), Sullivan, and The Fold would've been awesome as well... but yeah.

[funkel]

I believe that moment for me was the first time I heard "Walls" by Emery.

Pretty much agree, 'cept MMHMM and 5S7YA tie for me in second before 2 Lefts, 3 Do.

I was mad I missed them with Mae and Sherwood, but I got to see Underoath, Norma Jean, and Maylene two days in a row, so I didn't really care too much... though, MxPx (with Hawk Nelson, lol), Sullivan, and The Fold would've been awesome as well... but yeah.
When I started to seriously listen to Brand New, I knew Hawk Nelson had died in my heart.

I think I've been growing out of Tooth & Nail lately...sad to say. I think my new favorite label is The Militia Group...

[hailthewarrior]

When I started to seriously listen to Brand New, I knew Hawk Nelson had died in my heart.

I think I've been growing out of Tooth & Nail lately...sad to say. I think my new favorite label is The Militia Group...

I look at Tooth and Nail and include Solid State in this, but Tooth and Nail have so many bands I love... Emery, Anberlin, Jonezetta (represent), As Cities Burn, The Chariot, Underoath, Waking Ashland (tooth and nail release), Mae (both releases on TnN), Haste The Day, He Is Legend, Norma Jean, Sullivan, The Fold, and The Classic Crime.

I look at Militia Group and see Copeland, Cartel, The Panic Division, Lakes, and The Rocket Summer and they just don't compare for me yet.

[funkel]

I look at Tooth and Nail and include Solid State in this, but Tooth and Nail have so many bands I love... Emery, Anberlin, Jonezetta (represent), As Cities Burn, The Chariot, Underoath, Waking Ashland (tooth and nail release), Mae (both releases on TnN), Haste The Day, He Is Legend, Norma Jean, Sullivan, The Fold, and The Classic Crime.

I look at Militia Group and see Copeland, Cartel, The Panic Division, Lakes, and The Rocket Summer and they just don't compare for me yet.
You make an excellent point.

I'm not a die hard fan of any record label, as they all seem to have some crap.

Copeland is one of my top all time favorite bands, so that may be what is drawing me towards TMG.

[hailthewarrior]

Copeland is amazing. Hands down. "Beneath Medicine Tree" ftw.

[funkel]

Copeland is amazing. Hands down. "Beneath Medicine Tree" ftw.
Indeed.

But In Motion and Eat, Sleep, Repeat are outstanding as well. Plus In Motion has "Love Is A Fast Song" the best Copeland song.

[Matthew Tsai]

Letters To The President wasn't cliche?

no, lttp WAS cliche, just very well done. the only thing good about rk is their lyrics and their screams (theissen has an incredible scream). but DEFINITELY listen to smile, it's the end of the world. it's THE BEST pop punk album to date. something to rock out to the whole way, cept for the last song, fourteen which is boring.

and someone else before has lame, but fun lyrics. if you bash them, you're immature.

[Matthew Tsai]

rk tends to cover weezer's surf wax america a lot. i don't think it's that good when they play it. again, it sidetracks from them.

[hailthewarrior]

Indeed.

But In Motion and Eat, Sleep, Repeat are outstanding as well. Plus In Motion has "Love Is A Fast Song" the best Copeland song.

"When Paula Sparks" for the win, man. E,S,R is my least-favorite, but still outstanding, definitely.

no, lttp WAS cliche, just very well done. the only thing good about rk is their lyrics and their screams (theissen has an incredible scream). but DEFINITELY listen to smile, it's the end of the world. it's THE BEST pop punk album to date. something to rock out to the whole way, cept for the last song, fourteen which is boring.

and someone else before has lame, but fun lyrics. if you bash them, you're immature.

best pop-punk album would probably fall to "take this to your grave" or "tell all your friends"... hawk nelson just doesnt compare.

[Matthew Tsai]

but you haven't heard it yet, right? huh huh?

[hailthewarrior]

no, i havent. but hawk nelson cant compare to a nolan+lazzara era tbs.

[funkel]

no, lttp WAS cliche, just very well done. the only thing good about rk is their lyrics and their screams (theissen has an incredible scream). but DEFINITELY listen to smile, it's the end of the world. it's THE BEST pop punk album to date. something to rock out to the whole way, cept for the last song, fourteen which is boring.

and someone else before has lame, but fun lyrics. if you bash them, you're immature.
Are you even kidding me? Best pop punk album to date? You have to be joking.
That train wreck could only be considered best "bargain bin material of 06". Besides "Head On Collision".

"When Paula Sparks" for the win, man. E,S,R is my least-favorite, but still outstanding, definitely.



best pop-punk album would probably fall to "take this to your grave" or "tell all your friends"... hawk nelson just doesnt compare.
Ha, "When Paula Sparks" is my second favorite.

And I'd say best pop-punk album is Say It Like You Mean It. At least, that's my current opinion. It could change tomorrow.

[hailthewarrior]

Ha, "When Paula Sparks" is my second favorite.

And I'd say best pop-punk album is Say It Like You Mean It. At least, that's my current opinion. It could change tomorrow.

Haha. "Love Is A Fast Song" got me into Copeland, but, once I heard Paula live... I was sold.

Say It Like You Mean It is in third for me... haha.

[funkel]

Haha. "Love Is A Fast Song" got me into Copeland, but, once I heard Paula live... I was sold.

Say It Like You Mean It is in third for me... haha.
Holiday Parade's Andy Albert told me Beneath Medicine Tree would change my life, so I went out and bought it. He was right. I love that dude.

Ha, we have very similar musical tastes.

[hailthewarrior]

Yup... we do.

Back to topic, Hawk Nelson had the worst faux-pit I've ever seen. It was... disgusting. For lack of a better word. Worst band on Tooth and Nail, hands down.

[funkel]

Hmmm...I don't know about worst...but definitely in the bottom of the barrel.

[hailthewarrior]

...who else is close? Far-less, possibly... but other than that.

[funkel]

I can't stand Project 86, Starflyer 59, and The Brothers Martin.

But I guess talent-wise, HN is definitely the worse.

[hailthewarrior]

Project 86 I don't like, but they're definitely better than HN. And The three Martin brother's projects are excellent, I just don't listen to them... ever, really.

[singyoutocoma]

Far-Less did not deserve that. (My dissenting opinion, you have the right to yours.)

I hate Letters To The President. I don't find it catchy cause I'm too busy finding it annoying. Smile, It's The End of the World was an improvement, even if it was inconsistent. Neither is better than The Anatomy Of Tongue In Cheek. Two Lefts...is also a masterpiece. MmHmm is good, but I haven't caught on with the new one yet.

relient k's first three albums are not as catchy as hawk nelson. you just can't beat songs like something on your mind, bring em out, letters to the president, EVERY LITTLE THING and HELLO.

While those songs may be catchy, they are all such annoyingly stupid songs that I hate them anyway. Relient K were just as catchy with "Sadie Hawkins Dance," "Pressing On," "I'm Lion-O," "College Kids," "Falling Out," "Mood Rings," "In Love With The 80s," and many more. Just my opinion.

[hailthewarrior]

Sorry. I've just always found Far-Less to be a rip-off of about three other bands on the same label... :shrug:

But agree with everything else you said below the quote.

[singyoutocoma]

Sorry. I've just always found Far-Less to be a rip-off of about three other bands on the same label... :shrug:

But agree with everything else you said below the quote.

It's alright. We can still be friends. ;-)

[funkel]

Far-Less did not deserve that. (My dissenting opinion, you have the right to yours.)

I hate Letters To The President. I don't find it catchy cause I'm too busy finding it annoying. Smile, It's The End of the World was an improvement, even if it was inconsistent. Neither is better than The Anatomy Of Tongue In Cheek. Two Lefts...is also a masterpiece. MmHmm is good, but I haven't caught on with the new one yet.



While those songs may be catchy, they are all such annoyingly stupid songs that I hate them anyway. Relient K were just as catchy with "Sadie Hawkins Dance," "Pressing On," "I'm Lion-O," "College Kids," "Falling Out," "Mood Rings," "In Love With The 80s," and many more. Just my opinion.
Don't forget "Trademark". Besides "Falling Out," I think that's my favorite track on 2LDMARB3D.

[singyoutocoma]

Don't forget "Trademark". Besides "Falling Out," I think that's my favorite track on 2LDMARB3D.

Good point. "Trademark" too.

Oh. And loving your user title.

[funkel]

Good point. "Trademark" too.

Oh. And loving your user title.
Charlie The Unicorn ftw.

[theguy77]

maybe your not a very mature music listener yet. otherwise, you don't listen to pop punk or something. but the chord progression is also VERY cliche. everyone knows that. the end.

and yeah, sorry, i was talking about his voice, not vocal melodies. the vocal melodies are actually quite good. they just need a new lead singer.

well i think the fact that i usually listen to a lot more mellow stuff than pop punk makes my music tastes pretty mature. and i mean i dont know very many songs with the chord progression in the verse. A, B, D, F#, E, B, C#, D--it may sound simple, and it may not be like the newest most unique unused chord progression either, but you cant do that these days without your song not making sense. but i stand by my point in that its not near as generic as most pop punk bands' 4-chords method.

[punkrock91]

haehaehaehaehaehaehaeahaehaehaehae! !!! can't u use msn or something instead of the forum...you're spamming....

[Matthew Tsai]

Far-Less did not deserve that. (My dissenting opinion, you have the right to yours.)

I hate Letters To The President. I don't find it catchy cause I'm too busy finding it annoying. Smile, It's The End of the World was an improvement, even if it was inconsistent. Neither is better than The Anatomy Of Tongue In Cheek. Two Lefts...is also a masterpiece. MmHmm is good, but I haven't caught on with the new one yet.



While those songs may be catchy, they are all such annoyingly stupid songs that I hate them anyway. Relient K were just as catchy with "Sadie Hawkins Dance," "Pressing On," "I'm Lion-O," "College Kids," "Falling Out," "Mood Rings," "In Love With The 80s," and many more. Just my opinion.

nope, i don't think you guys'll realize how catchy hawk is though, cause of their annoyance factor towards you. but nope, those relient k songs don't come close to being as catchy.

but i do agree on hawk being musically the least mature on tooth and nail. but hey, it's pop punk, and meeting the status quo is all you need to sound great. they are mature for pop punk though.

i started out hating them, but liking one song (i think it was head on collision too). then the rest gradually fell in place. give em a second chance, or, a second listen. they're not hard to love.

ACTUALLY thousand foot krutch might be musically worse than hawk nelson. one of the worst bands on the label, along with project 86, ruth, and spoken.

[eltroyo11]

When I saw them on the Smile tour, I think everyone in the crowd felt pretty let down when they played a shorter set than opener Falling Up, then proceeded not to come out for an encore despite a 10 minute chant for one. And they didn't even play Head On Collision, which is one of their best, if not their best song.

And since I mentioned Falling Up, I'll just say that I got Hawk's Letters and Falling Up's Crashings around the same time, and while I adore a few songs on that Hawk album, Crashings has always struck me as catchier. Plus, unlike HN, Falling Up doesn't use every cliche imaginable in their lyrics or music.

[hailthewarrior]

ACTUALLY thousand foot krutch might be musically worse than hawk nelson. one of the worst bands on the label, along with project 86, ruth, and spoken.

TFK is gold. phenomenon is one of my favorite "party" albums. good times listenin' to that album. spoken's duet with cory from norma jean automatically make them "decent", and from what ive heard from ruth, they're def. better than HN. project 86 is def. better, seein' both live on the same day. (cornerstone, fl 06)

And since I mentioned Falling Up, I'll just say that I got Hawk's Letters and Falling Up's Crashings around the same time, and while I adore a few songs on that Hawk album, Crashings has always struck me as catchier. Plus, unlike HN, Falling Up doesn't use every cliche imaginable in their lyrics or music.

I remember the tour where Hawk Nelson opened for Falling Up...

Crashings > Dawn Escapes > Exit>Lights >>>> Letters To The President > Smile

[speak easy]

Anatomy>MMHMM>Two Lefts>5 Score>S/T

and their S/T is realllllllly good which says someting

[theguy77]

haha and mmhmm > any other pop punk album so yeah.

[AP_Punk]

Wow, I didn't expect this Hawk Nelson thread to go so far.

[singyoutocoma]

My thoughts...

Anatomy > Two Lefts > MmHmm > 5 Score > S/T
And, as was previously said, the s/t still rocks.

S,ITEOTW > Letters To The President.
A pretty good CD over a really not very good at all CD.

Dawn Escapes > Crashings > Exit Lights
Exit Lights just should not have happened. That stuff was pretty bland. And I think Crashings had a little more immaturity in songs like "Falling In Love."

Everyone else > Thousand Foot Krutch
The only artist I think is bad on the Tooth and Nail labels. I think some others just have not capitalized on their potential.

[theguy77]

Wow, I didn't expect this Hawk Nelson thread to go so far.

its a relient k vs hawk nelson vs other pop punk thread in disguise.

[Judge'sDaughter]

I heard about Hawk Nelson while walking past a bunch of poser-y looking emo kids discussing music.
I felt compelled to check them out- don't ask why. I was pleasently suprised.

[chrisPAIN]

hawk nelson=christian simple plan
thousand foot krutch=christian hoobastank

they both have their moments, but i'd say they're the weakest on the tooth and nail roster. such a good label though, those two bands aren't even that bad and there's plenty of awful labels out there.

[singyoutocoma]

hawk nelson=christian simple plan

Simple Plan never wrote a song as good as "The One Thing I Have Left." Hawk Nelson has more rock sensibility. And considering they're like a pop-punk (sometimes just pop), that's saying something. Simple Plan is annoying just because of who they are and what they write about. Hawk Nelson is annoying when they're stupid or cliche, but can be endearing at times.

I'm not sure I'd completely disagree with the weakest comment, though I think HN's next release has potential to bring them out of that category, whereas I think TFK is just that kind of band.

[Matthew Tsai]

Simple Plan never wrote a song as good as "The One Thing I Have Left." Hawk Nelson has more rock sensibility. And considering they're like a pop-punk (sometimes just pop), that's saying something. Simple Plan is annoying just because of who they are and what they write about. Hawk Nelson is annoying when they're stupid or cliche, but can be endearing at times.

I'm not sure I'd completely disagree with the weakest comment, though I think HN's next release has potential to bring them out of that category, whereas I think TFK is just that kind of band.

you're very right. hawk nelson in NO WAY sounds like simple plan. whoever says that is just jumping on a bandwagon of lies and has obviously not listened to the band. someone made that up, just to get them either popular, or unpopular.

hawk nelson has never really been cliche, although some lyrics are a bit lame.

[chrisPAIN]

you're very right. hawk nelson in NO WAY sounds like simple plan. whoever says that is just jumping on a bandwagon of lies and has obviously not listened to the band. someone made that up, just to get them either popular, or unpopular.

hawk nelson has never really been cliche, although some lyrics are a bit lame.

i just saw hawk on the T&N tour and they attract the same exact fanbase as simple plan, and have the same mall punk persona. yes i enjoy them (have both cds) but i know what their shortcomings are, come on some of their lyrics are just plain juvenile. HN and SP are both canadian pop-punk bands that play safe, catchy music with plenty of pogo riffs, so yeah, they are rather similar.

cliche? their singer all of a sudden has a mohawk, they wrote a song about "packing up and moving to california" and HN trucker hats were selling like hotcakes at the aforementioned showi was just at.

[funkel]

you're very right. hawk nelson in NO WAY sounds like simple plan. whoever says that is just jumping on a bandwagon of lies and has obviously not listened to the band. someone made that up, just to get them either popular, or unpopular.

hawk nelson has never really been cliche, although some lyrics are a bit lame.
Yes, they really do. I think chrisPain hit the nail right on the head in describing them.

nope, i don't think you guys'll realize how catchy hawk is though, cause of their annoyance factor towards you. but nope, those relient k songs don't come close to being as catchy.


I used to be a huuuuge HN fan. Their songs were catchy then, but not nearly as catchy as Relient K was and is. "Be My Escape" is more catchy and entertaining and better than all Hawk Nelson songs ever created.

Your opinion is not the law, sir. Please stop speaking as such.

[AP_Punk]

its a relient k vs hawk nelson vs other pop punk thread in disguise.

Coolz.

[Judge'sDaughter]

haha and mmhmm > any other pop punk album so yeah.
My copy is so scratched up that I have to completely skip over "I So Hate Consequences" for the rest of the disk to work.
But back to Hawk Nelson...

[theguy77]

My copy is so scratched up that I have to completely skip over "I So Hate Consequences" for the rest of the disk to work.
But back to Hawk Nelson...

thats a pity, the song's great. i love how theres just like a piano ballad for like a whole minute in the middle of that song.

and no not back to hawk nelson i prefer to talk about relient k and their pwnage of whats catchy and youthful. :)

[Judge'sDaughter]

I have it on my mp3, so no worries xD

[eraserhead]

Hawk Nelson is shit

[Judge'sDaughter]

Note the very first post in this thread.
It clearly specifies that you shouldn't say shit like that.
ESPECIALLY without explaining yourself.

[theguy77]

yeah what a conversation stopper at least explain why you think they're shit. and if the reason is "i dont like pop punk" well why are you even posting in here?

[Judge'sDaughter]

^^ exactly.

[funkel]

Note the very first post in this thread.
It clearly specifies that you shouldn't say shit like that.
ESPECIALLY without explaining yourself.
Perhaps he was making a satire on the original post?

My copy is so scratched up that I have to completely skip over "I So Hate Consequences" for the rest of the disk to work.
But back to Hawk Nelson...
That's probably the second best song on the album. Shame.

[hailthewarrior]

the band members themselves of Hawk Nelson are really nice... and i have an autographed poster by the band.

[theguy77]

hey guess what

:diggrave:

[funkel]

the band members themselves of Hawk Nelson are really nice... and i have an autographed poster by the band.
Yeah, I've met them before as well. My copy of LTTP (not the reissue) is signed by Jason and Matt.

But Jason came off as such a stupid person in their podcasts. He acted like he possessed no brain. And not in a funny way. In a very annoying way.

[hailthewarrior]

i gave my original copy of LTTP to a friend and got the re-issue cause im a sucker for acoustics...

[singyoutocoma]

Hawk Nelson is shit

Come now. I don't attack the opinion, or even the bluntness. But you could have at least been clever about it. To paraphrase The Screwtape Letters, concerning flippancy vs. humor: "It is a hard thing to really make a joke. But anyone can talk as though the joke had already been made."

[funkel]

i gave my original copy of LTTP to a friend and got the re-issue cause im a sucker for acoustics...
I was a big enough fan of HN at the time to buy it as well. I still have the first issue too.

Come now. I don't attack the opinion, or even the bluntness. But you could have at least been clever about it. To paraphrase The Screwtape Letters, concerning flippancy vs. humor: "It is a hard thing to really make a joke. But anyone can talk as though the joke had already been made."
C.S. Lewis reference ftw.

[hailthewarrior]

I was a big enough fan of HN at the time to buy it as well. I still have the first issue too.


C.S. Lewis reference ftw.

yeah... same here.

im about to read his seven religious works in one anthology. im pretty pumped.

[singyoutocoma]

im about to read his seven religious works in one anthology. im pretty pumped.

You are a lucky man. I haven't read Miracles, but most of those constitute my favorite books.

[funkel]

yeah... same here.

im about to read his seven religious works in one anthology. im pretty pumped.
The Great Divorce = beautiful

[singyoutocoma]

The Great Divorce = beautiful

...with this one being my favorite book of all time.

[funkel]

...with this one being my favorite book of all time.
You have excellent taste.

In 9th grade, we had to write a chapter to be added to this. One of my most favorite assignments ever. And I believe I still have it.

[StarryNight10]

only in your dreams. having seen them both on the same day (festival, had to see hawk because of a friend) matt thiessen has more talent in one pinky than hawk nelson's four members combined.

Nice! I agree, Matt is very talented.

I saw Hawk Nelson a few months ago, and they were nothing special. They had us wave cell phones in the air to the song "Zero". My arm was dead after that.

I went through a phase where I was absolutely in love with their music, so all my top tracks on itunes are Hawk Nelson songs. I'm trying to get rid of them. Maybe I should just put Define The Great Line on repeat or something.

[delvec19]

Where can I get the Summer EP?

[Wildness774]

they are good

[iloveblink182]

new music video is up!

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[GuitarR0cker1]

This band still makes music? eewww.

[Jaimehere]

Live Life Loud upset me, they sound like shit now @_@

[amymarissa]

Used to really, really love HN back in like 2005/2006. Then, their music just sort of went generic. Haven't made an effort to listen to the newer stuff.

[Matthew Tsai]

I'm so embarrassed by this thread.

[Jake Denning]

TFK is gold. phenomenon is one of my favorite "party" albums. good times listenin' to that album. spoken's duet with cory from norma jean automatically make them "decent", and from what ive heard from ruth, they're def. better than HN. project 86 is def. better, seein' both live on the same day. (cornerstone, fl 06)



I remember the tour where Hawk Nelson opened for Falling Up...

Crashings > Dawn Escapes > Exit>Lights >>>> Letters To The President > Smile

A recently became friends and am working with one of the guitarists off this album, Tom. I really do think that was their best album, followed by Dawn Escapes. Tom left after Dawn Escapes.

I'm so embarrassed by this thread.

No shame. I do think they're gonna tour off this upcoming release they have coming out and then call it a day, which I dunno, I guess i'd be alright with. I was pretty bummed out when Aaron Tosti a long time ago though.

[karadotcollett]

love HN's older stuff. it stuck with me from being a 14 year old scene kid. my dad buys the new stuff for himself, i can't really get into anything after Smile and i really only like that album because it helped me through a bad time.

anyway... Relient K >>>>> Hawk Nelson. They have been my favourite band for a very long time and oh my god have you heard Forget And Not Slow Down? it's like their best album ever.

also they did a really awesome Surf Wax America cover in the apple store:
-4g2AZwBrhs

[Matthew Tsai]

A recently became friends and am working with one of the guitarists off this album, Tom. I really do think that was their best album, followed by Dawn Escapes. Tom left after Dawn Escapes.



No shame. I do think they're gonna tour off this upcoming release they have coming out and then call it a day, which I dunno, I guess i'd be alright with. I was pretty bummed out when Aaron Tosti a long time ago though.

Wow, so they're breaking up? 14 year old me would be crushed.

[Nick Le]

love HN's older stuff. it stuck with me from being a 14 year old scene kid. my dad buys the new stuff for himself, i can't really get into anything after Smile and i really only like that album because it helped me through a bad time.

anyway... Relient K >>>>> Hawk Nelson. They have been my favourite band for a very long time and oh my god have you heard Forget And Not Slow Down? it's like their best album ever.

also they did a really awesome Surf Wax America cover in the apple store:
-4g2AZwBrhs

They are my favorite band also. They used to play that Surf Wax America cover a lot a few years ago.

Also, I used to love Hawk Nelson. Mostly Letters & Smile. I liked some of Friend and I can't stand that last album, haha. Jason and Dan were always cool guys when I saw them.

[HometownHero]

My favorite part of this band is their ignorance.

[Matthew Tsai]

My favorite part of this band is their ignorance.

Explain?

[HometownHero]

Explain?
WDFKVxwbCtc

[RockTheWalls]

WDFKVxwbCtc

Lame they didnt actually write the song as Letters to the Prime Minister, considering they are Canadian. Guess President is more catchy and broader? haha

[Matthew Tsai]

WDFKVxwbCtc

Oh, that.

[HometownHero]

Lame they didnt actually write the song as Letters to the Prime Minister, considering they are Canadian. Guess President is more catchy and broader? haha
Haha it's fun taking shots at the US apparently. I don't give a fuck really they are just ignorant bastards. They make me ashamed to be Canadian.
Oh, that.
Lol that. I can't respect bands like that man.

[RockTheWalls]

Haha it's fun taking shots at the US apparently. I don't give a fuck really they are just ignorant bastards. They make me ashamed to be Canadian.

Lol that. I can't respect bands like that man.

You are Canadian?! Fuck yeah!

[HometownHero]

You are Canadian?! Fuck yeah!
Fuck yeah dude. I was born in B.C and I also lived in Alberta for a little and have been to lots of other places. Been to spots in Ontario, Quebec, Sask. Canada rules!

[mike'smannequin]

Omg! U Think Im Emo???!!???
who cares what people online think of you?