Great Hoppus V Delonge Post

[punkrockdee]

STOLE THIS POST FROM WAY BACK, MAKES SENSE THOUGH!

What kills me about these AVA threads is that everyone here assumes that because AP.net and their followers don't like Tom that the band is doing poorly or that everyone hates them. I don't care if he is Tom Delonge, if it weren't doing well then Geffen wouldn't put out more singles; music business doesn't bend for even the biggest egos. That said, selling well over 500,000 copies of your debut record in the US in less than 9 months isn't really something to be called a "failure"...think about how great Motion City Soundtrack is and they've barely breeched the 100,000 line after well over a year.

I will admit this record wasn't the massive, mind blowing, world changing event that was promised but seriously, who honestly thought it would be? It's fucking Tom "I like to talk about poop" Delonge...regardless of his ego (which they all have, trust me, and well before AVA started or blink broke up) the man is who he is because of bad mom jokes and probably shouldn't have tried to ask people to see him as more so quickly.

I think AVA has much more staying potential over time than +44 because there's room to grow and mature. They hit a maturity wall with blink and tom crossed over it while Mark and Travis just kinda went the other way...I don't care what anyone says, TOYPAJ had no staying power and unfortunately this +44 record doesn't seem to be shaping up any differently.

If he would have called the AVA record a Boxcar record and kept his mouth shut everyone would probably be talking about how mature and innovative it was. You people are harsh as fuck, the man is trying to do something pretty neat...the reason this will fail isn't because he's not trying (I don't think anyone could say he isn't trying...maybe even a bit too hard)...it will fail because Mark can't give an interview without crying about something that needed to happen regardless of whose fault it was. Blink was done, they couldnt top their last effort, and I'm personally glad they didn't try.

[punkrockdee]

"angels and airwaves have more staying power because they're better than +44."

That's about right.

[decom_poseur]

angels and airwaves are awful

[TheSkunk]

they're both decent.. AvA has its moments along with +44.. i prefer blink style music and +44's albums sounds exactly like something from TOYPAJ. so i choose Hoppus

[duhpunk]

i choose +44. AvA was hyped up and supported by former Blink fans, and a large majority of them were disappointed after what i've read in other forums and reviews. +44 is a fun band. i dont know how you could say that they are no more mature than blink. they haven't written any songs about fart jokes or sex have they? they just chose a poppier route than AvA did. Tom's ego is eventually going to turn people away, and alot of the songs on "we don't need to whisper" sounded the same and were very boring. i dont think the 2nd album will be much different.

[TheOtherAndrew]

I like the album but that's no excuse for the terrible live performances that Tom's been giving. If you want to be the biggest band in the world, your singer has to be able to perform in concert.

[Carlo Marx]

+44 is better than Angels & Airwaves.

[decom_poseur]

much. much better.

[speak easy]

much. much better.

agreed. and the main reasonis that +44 set out not to be just one specific genre just to deviate from blink, but they made whatever they liked, whereas tom created ava soley to deviate as far from blink as possible

[CellarGhosts]

+44 >>>>>>>>>>>> AVA

AVA have some good songs, but Ive always disliked Tom Delonge. he seems to me like a self-involved douche sometimes. Hoppus is just a cooler guy all around, and a better singer/lyricist.

I still like Tom's songs in blink-182, though. And Take Off Your Pants and Jakcet has no staying power? hahaha...just haha at that. sorry, man, but really...

And though AVA, like I said, have some decent songs, the only really good thing about them is that one dude was in Alk3 for a while, and another was in the Distillers.

I read this interview with Tom DeLonge in Guitar World magazine that came out shortly after the release of the AVA album, and the whole time he practically bragged about how he was riding around in jets with Hilary Clinton and whatnot...

[Cheshire_Buddha]

I'll agree with you that Take Off Your Pants and Jacket isn't good (it certainly has staying power, though), but that's about it.

Random trivia fact: I was a moderator on an AVA site before the band release their debut album. After that, it was basically an all-out war between people who worshipped the ground AVA walked on and people who thought it was the most average and boring album of the year.

[mjr20]

I'll agree with you that Take Off Your Pants and Jacket isn't good (it certainly has staying power, though), but that's about it.

Random trivia fact: I was a moderator on an AVA site before the band release their debut album. After that, it was basically an all-out war between people who worshipped the ground AVA walked on and people who thought it was the most average and boring album of the year.

I was on that angels-and-airwaves.com site and I remember you, and you are exactly right about the all out war part too.

[aolsux]

anyone who enjoys AVA wants to like it because of who it is: delonge

everyone wants AVA to be sweet because of who it is: delonge

AVA sucks, Take Off Your Pants And Jacket was great because it was so catchy/raunchy/funny and this whole "space-rock mature mtv2 grade shit" that tom wants to keep forcing through his asshole may keep some fans happy, but not me. I agree that The Adventure is catchy and really well done, but besides this and maybe one of two more songs, it's weak.

[aolsux]

+44 on the other hand captures the youth that Blink brought to the table. I enjoy them mucho more.

[lolimkate]

the amount of albums they sold doesnt really mean that much in this situation, a lot of people who bought them were extremely disappointed.

plus tom's mustache is gross.

[notamachine182]

agreed. and the main reasonis that +44 set out not to be just one specific genre just to deviate from blink, but they made whatever they liked, whereas tom created ava soley to deviate as far from blink as possible

there is no way AVA has more "staying power" than +44. although they both essentially ok, the conceptual outlook of tom in AVA and the monotonous, over-reiterated ideas of "wow, look at me" "i am so great" "this is the beginning of something amazing" "this is a new start" "this si a new adventure hold my hand" "here, let me hold you" "come with me, trust me" etc etc etc blah blah blah..that will wear off and get boring. tom will one day look in the mirror and realize his hair looks retarded and that dancing to "the adventure" isn't a very smart idea.

it still gets me that he actually believed he was going to go off and make something bigger and better than blink! i mean, tom, man, i thought you were smart!

when your heart stops beating was o.k. as well, but i think alot of blink fans who tried to latch on to AVA but didn't find it adequate for their pain after blink's breakup (or hiatus w/e) found +44 to be soothing. it was pretty much an "i'm so sad blink is gone" album, and it made me sad for a long time. im still sad now, and i really feel like mark isn't ready to believe or accept (or is trying to) that his best friend could just say "fuck you" basically.

tom definitely for some reason looked at his whole career with blink and just shuddered, in the greatest possible way, and sought to run away from that image.

people can debate and talk but the fact remains that nothing tom or mark (or travis for that matter) could ever do in the future as far as side projects will ever come close to (much less TOP) the greatness of blink.

[notamachine182]

the amount of albums they sold doesnt really mean that much in this situation, a lot of people who bought them were extremely disappointed.

plus tom's mustache is gross.


ha AGREED.

[SanePsychotic]

I was really hoping that AVA would be all Tom said it was going to be. It wasn't. There are some very good songs on there, but if there was more variation in the album then it would have been so much more. The only thing I have a problem with is the perfomance Tom has been giving. It's mediocre. I saw a video on YouTube of him singing "Down" and it was the most depressing thing ever. I don't know if it was the same video, but there was one where he was trying to get everyone to sing and they just booed him. I can't blame them, but it sure was depressing.

I like +44 about the same as AVA. They are much more poppy and have a better live set, but I don't like them that much more than AVA. I don't think either of them will ever be as good as Blink. Ever.

[Gumbyjag]

AVA > (+44)

can't stand Mark Hoppus but he is a good producer.

[Cheshire_Buddha]

I was on that angels-and-airwaves.com site and I remember you, and you are exactly right about the all out war part too.

I'd personally like to praise myself for one post and say that I helped fuel that battle.

[Of Dust and Nations]

I like +44 about the same as AVA. They are much more poppy and have a better live set, but I don't like them that much more than AVA. I don't think either of them will ever be as good as Blink. Ever.

pretty much how i feel. i maybe like +44 a bit more just because i've always liked mark's voice better than tom's.

[theguy77]

eh im really, really impartial to both split-off bands. but my vote ultimately goes with +44 because mark has an awesome voice. still though, the genius of songs like "here's your letter" or "roller coaster" havent been touched at all by their solo efforts.

[duhpunk]

reminds me of Dino Spumoni and Don Reynolds...

http://www.hey-arnold.com/Arnold/DinoSpumoni1.jpg

without each other, Tom and Mark will never be great. they had an amazing songwriting chemistry that made blink so successful. however, i think Mark is the better of the two and will do better in the long run.

[Gumbyjag]

reminds me of Dino Spumoni and Don Reynolds...

http://www.hey-arnold.com/Arnold/DinoSpumoni1.jpg


yes! never forgot that episode... "Without Sacagawea (sp!), Clark would still be in deluge. Without you with me baby, I'm nothin', nothin', that's the truth."

[theguy77]

DINO FUCKING SPUMONI OMG I LOVE HEY ARNOLD! this is a lowercase sentence so the previous sentence can stay in caps.

[difos]

personally, i choose plus 44 over ava.
even made that choice way before i found out that tom was the one who broke up blink.
mark is amazing really, and i think their next album is going to be even better because i think he was a bit stuck because of how tom acted, a big fuck you in his face. he needed to get that emotion out and it didn't work, but the next album will be awesome.

tom and his big ego will be what ruins in him in the end, mark and travis are actually enjoying themselves properly, are just doing it because it's what they love, not trying to prove a point like i think tom is.
tom wants to be known for something other than his blink jokes, but at the end of the day, that's all he is, that character is going to stay with him for the rest of his life, so maybe he should just learn to embrace it. mark and travis certainly have.

and what the fuck is up with his hair?
seriously, tom used to be cool.
now he wants to be the next bono.

[Stereo Mike]

Yeah, fuck his hair.

[crowagain]

i liked tom more than mark in blink-182, but +44 and ava are both crap compared to what id thought theyd be, but +44 is better, at least i didnt cringe when i heard their first single (the adventure is sooo bad, wtf)

[Nimrod5]

i liked tom more than mark in blink-182, but +44 and ava are both crap compared to what id thought theyd be, but +44 is better, at least i didnt cringe when i heard their first single (the adventure is sooo bad, wtf)

the adventure is an awesome song

[Daneurysm]

+44 is way better and when i saw them they played rock show. i also used to have a crush on mark hoppus. HE WINS.

[Hinge]

guys, stop fighting about which band is better. They are totally diffrent genres. And blink will never get back together unless if Tom's ego gets smaller which probably won't happen. Did you hear that we already kicked someone out of AVA? Arguing about this won't solve anything.

[Dan CiTi]

+44 is way better and when i saw them they played rock show. i also used to have a crush on mark hoppus. HE WINS.
They played The Rock Show here too.
the adventure is an awesome song
Once a month at best.

[TAYF152]

STOLE THIS POST FROM WAY BACK, MAKES SENSE THOUGH!

What kills me about these AVA threads is that everyone here assumes that because AP.net and their followers don't like Tom that the band is doing poorly or that everyone hates them. I don't care if he is Tom Delonge, if it weren't doing well then Geffen wouldn't put out more singles; music business doesn't bend for even the biggest egos. That said, selling well over 500,000 copies of your debut record in the US in less than 9 months isn't really something to be called a "failure"...think about how great Motion City Soundtrack is and they've barely breeched the 100,000 line after well over a year.

I will admit this record wasn't the massive, mind blowing, world changing event that was promised but seriously, who honestly thought it would be? It's fucking Tom "I like to talk about poop" Delonge...regardless of his ego (which they all have, trust me, and well before AVA started or blink broke up) the man is who he is because of bad mom jokes and probably shouldn't have tried to ask people to see him as more so quickly.

I think AVA has much more staying potential over time than +44 because there's room to grow and mature. They hit a maturity wall with blink and tom crossed over it while Mark and Travis just kinda went the other way...I don't care what anyone says, TOYPAJ had no staying power and unfortunately this +44 record doesn't seem to be shaping up any differently.

If he would have called the AVA record a Boxcar record and kept his mouth shut everyone would probably be talking about how mature and innovative it was. You people are harsh as fuck, the man is trying to do something pretty neat...the reason this will fail isn't because he's not trying (I don't think anyone could say he isn't trying...maybe even a bit too hard)...it will fail because Mark can't give an interview without crying about something that needed to happen regardless of whose fault it was. Blink was done, they couldnt top their last effort, and I'm personally glad they didn't try.


DUDE, you are the man.

Thank you God.