I lost all respect for Green Day (what little respect I had at least)

[FishAlotNBePunk]

So, I read the Green Day article in the Punk Rock issue of Guitar World, and wow, those guys are dumbasses! They are dissing great bands like Dickies, Ramones, Sex Pistols and Johnny Rotten, Buzzcocks, and The Clash, (The most influencial punk bands ever) calling The Dickies and Johnny Rotten "Bitter old bastards". Billie Joe, also says how Dickies and Henry Rollins never wrote a single good song. I dunno, but Green Day never wrote anything better. Honestly they have to be the most disrespectful assholes in "punk rock" music. And stupid to boot! My god, Fat Mike isn't even NEARLY that disrespectful to ANY bands. At least not in public or in interviews.

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Bring it on Greg, bring it on.

[omegaX]

Here comes the bashin.............

I'm taking a ringside seat for this.

[Billy]

You know what is great about seth is that it doesn't matter what he has to say he will find a way to throw fat mike's name in there. I mean he could be like I went to the store and bought a banana and well banana's are fat mike's favorite food.

[suckerpunch_]

why did you have yo stand up for fat mike at the end there?? well whatever

[Billy]

Originally posted by suckerpunch_
why did you have yo stand up for fat mike at the end there?? well whatever because its seth thats what he does

[Absolute Mest]

Originally posted by FishAlotNBePunk

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Bring it on Greg, bring it on. [/B]

You don't have an opening tag for your rant.

[Greg]

-yes lets fight about someone's opinions....

riiiiiight....


anyway you wanna talk about losing respect? did you read Fat Mike's interview in that magazine? i won't even say things here just to save time for myself. if you read that seth. and did not lose any respect for him you are the dumbest perosn alive. im sorry but when you learn what you learn in that interview you cant help but kinda hate the guy and lose respect for him.

[Zack Attack]

can somebody post the interviews?

[Alex Djaferis]

billie joe owns.

[Absolute Mest]

Is Fat Mike related to Fat Bastard?

[Greg]

Originally posted by Absolute Mest
Is Fat Mike related to Fat Bastard?


hahahhahaha yes. they are brothers.

[suckerpunch_]

who cares about greenday, they are old farts now that pretend to be related to the scene, ya i baught dookie, and kerplunk, but what did they do that was good after that?? ...nothing

[Absolute Mest]

I knew it. They do kinda look the same from an angle.

[NoUse]

did you read the article? they actually made some valid points..just because these points dont kiss the asses of some overrated, but certainly influential, punk bands doesn't mean they're automatically wrong.


And dont even get started on Fat Mike, he's a bitter, disrespectful, halfwit. He blames all the worlds problems on conservatives, describing the current world as being in "the worst shape its been in since Reagan"...too bad the world wasnt really in bad shape during Reagan, and what was was left over from the Carter administration.

[NOFXdesendents5]

Originally posted by Greg
hahahhahaha yes. they are brothers.

Yeah, brothers with a 200 pound difference in weight, a difference in heritage and a difference in religion.

[richter915]

green day totally bashed blink 182 also....so...shouldn't that raise your respect for them or something?

[Suprhatch614]

Originally posted by richter915
green day totally bashed blink 182 also....so...shouldn't that raise your respect for them or something?

Really...where can I find this interview, considering they went on a summerlong tour with them, you'd think they'd have somekind of mutual respect of something, unless both bands just hated each other

[stratdude]

umm Seth, when did Billie Joe diss the ramones or clash??? he totally fuckin' praised Joe Strummer in that article. do you not know how to read? he did say Johnny Rotten is an asshole, but everyone says that. and its true. and Henry Rollins is a cunt. i thought everyone knew that.

[richter915]

Originally posted by Suprhatch614
Really...where can I find this interview, considering they went on a summerlong tour with them, you'd think they'd have somekind of mutual respect of something, unless both bands just hated each other
I don't know where it is...but after the pop disaster tour mike dirnt and tre cool bashed blink...said if it weren't for green day, the tour woulda been a true disaster or something...it was kinda funny...they mostly made fun of blink's lack of talent and stuff.

[Absolute Mest]

Originally posted by richter915
green day totally bashed blink 182 also....so...shouldn't that raise your respect for them or something?

They toured with blink. Does it matter?

[Absolute Mest]

Originally posted by richter915
I don't know where it is...but after the pop disaster tour mike dirnt and tre cool bashed blink...said if it weren't for green day, the tour woulda been a true disaster or something...it was kinda funny...they mostly made fun of blink's lack of talent and stuff.

Those bastards... someone should have stole their milk every morning so they couldn't have cereal.

[FishAlotNBePunk]

I was just using Fat Mike as an example. And I thought his interview was very good. He brought up some very good points and I liked the idea that he's basicly USING bands like Good Charlotte and Sum 41 by putting them on his Rock Against Bush comp and tour so more people will get interested in getting Bush out of office. I think thats a brilliant idea. He's not using them in a disrespectful way either, he's uniting all these different bands, big and small, for a goal - to get Bush out of office.

[NoUse]

Using Fat Mike as an example had nothing to do with Green Day or the article.

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Originally posted by NoUse
Using Fat Mike as an example had nothing to do with Green Day or the article.

Well, I thought he would fit as he had an interview in the magazine as well.

[stratdude]

Originally posted by FishAlotNBePunk
I was just using Fat Mike as an example. And I thought his interview was very good. He brought up some very good points and I liked the idea that he's basicly USING bands like Good Charlotte and Sum 41 by putting them on his Rock Against Bush comp and tour so more people will get interested in getting Bush out of office. I think thats a brilliant idea. He's not using them in a disrespectful way either, he's uniting all these different bands, big and small, for a goal - to get Bush out of office.

call me crazy, but will anyone really care what Sum41 has to say about GW since they're all canadian. this whole anti-bush thing seems like punk trend to me.

i give blink 182 props for performing for the troops, rather than moaning and bitchin' about the president.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Originally posted by stratdude
call me crazy, but will anyone really care what Sum41 has to say about GW since they're all canadian. this whole anti-bush thing seems like punk trend to me.

i give blink 182 props for performing for the troops, rather than moaning and bitchin' about the president.

blink got voted to perform, by the troops. if i were in a band, i'd be honored to be the most demanded band of the US military, i wouldn't turn it down. ever. Maybe Blink doesn't like Bush. they've never really taken a stance on it, have they?

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Originally posted by stratdude
call me crazy, but will anyone really care what Sum41 has to say about GW since they're all canadian. this whole anti-bush thing seems like punk trend to me.

i give blink 182 props for performing for the troops, rather than moaning and bitchin' about the president.

its not what they have to say, theyre only on the tour so more people will come.

and as far as im concerned, if we want to support the troops, bring them home!

[NoUse]

Originally posted by FishAlotNBePunk
its not what they have to say, theyre only on the tour so more people will come.
Thats fucking stupid if attracting the mtv generation takes precedence over the actual message.

[proeuthanasia]

Originally posted by FishAlotNBePunk
So, I read the Green Day article in the Punk Rock issue of Guitar World, and wow, those guys are dumbasses! They are dissing great bands like Dickies, Ramones, Sex Pistols and Johnny Rotten, Buzzcocks, and The Clash, (The most influencial punk bands ever) calling The Dickies and Johnny Rotten "Bitter old bastards". Billie Joe, also says how Dickies and Henry Rollins never wrote a single good song. I dunno, but Green Day never wrote anything better. Honestly they have to be the most disrespectful assholes in "punk rock" music. And stupid to boot! My god, Fat Mike isn't even NEARLY that disrespectful to ANY bands. At least not in public or in interviews.

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Bring it on Greg, bring it on.


when i was in bend my mom came back from the store and told me 'look what i got you?!'. it was that damn issue. she thought i would like it because it said 'punk'd' on the cover. i swear, that woman is fucking clueless. that issue pissed me off so fucking badly. but anyway, yes seth - iagree with you on some points. i have been a fan of green day since i can remember. grew up with the stuff. but after reading the article in that magazine, i too have lost a great deal of respect for Billie Joe. not green day as a whole, but definitely billie. All he did throughout the entire interview was bash on other people. He has room to call other guys bitter bastards? i hardly think so. i am still a fan of green day, hell i probably always will be... you can't unstick something that's been with you for so long. But i was greatly disappointed. I thought Billie was more laid back, less 'bitter', than that.

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Originally posted by proeuthanasia
when i was in bend my mom came back from the store and told me 'look what i got you?!'. it was that damn issue. she thought i would like it because it said 'punk'd' on the cover. i swear, that woman is fucking clueless. that issue pissed me off so fucking badly. but anyway, yes seth - iagree with you on some points. i have been a fan of green day since i can remember. grew up with the stuff. but after reading the article in that magazine, i too have lost a great deal of respect for Billie Joe. not green day as a whole, but definitely billie. All he did throughout the entire interview was bash on other people. He has room to call other guys bitter bastards? i hardly think so. i am still a fan of green day, hell i probably always will be... you can't unstick something that's been with you for so long. But i was greatly disappointed. I thought Billie was more laid back, less 'bitter', than that.

yeah exactly.

[BuriedAlive]

hell i agree with billie joe those bands do suck, i dont like the older punk.

[NoUse]

amen...I wont downplay their influence..but the music just isnt that good.

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
hell i agree with billie joe those bands do suck, i dont like the older punk.

because you suck.

[BuriedAlive]

wow nice comeback, come on how many people can say that that music was even half-decent? no wonder punk died back in the 80's

[theused_FSF]

Originally posted by FishAlotNBePunk
because you suck.


the answer to all questions

[NoUse]

Originally posted by FishAlotNBePunk
because you suck. You're quite possibly the biggest asshole in these forums.

[Greg]

Originally posted by proeuthanasia
when i was in bend my mom came back from the store and told me 'look what i got you?!'. it was that damn issue. she thought i would like it because it said 'punk'd' on the cover. i swear, that woman is fucking clueless. that issue pissed me off so fucking badly. but anyway, yes seth - iagree with you on some points. i have been a fan of green day since i can remember. grew up with the stuff. but after reading the article in that magazine, i too have lost a great deal of respect for Billie Joe. not green day as a whole, but definitely billie. All he did throughout the entire interview was bash on other people. He has room to call other guys bitter bastards? i hardly think so. i am still a fan of green day, hell i probably always will be... you can't unstick something that's been with you for so long. But i was greatly disappointed. I thought Billie was more laid back, less 'bitter', than that.

did you EVER listen to either Dookie or Insomniac? they are both full of bitter angry songs. especially Insomniac. and guess what? that interview was shortly after Insomniac. so it kinda makes sense. i think its obvious that billie joe is a bitter person.


-on another note i think it's fucking awsome how this thread was turned on seth and made him look like an ass. thanks people.

[proeuthanasia]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
wow nice comeback, come on how many people can say that that music was even half-decent? no wonder punk died back in the 80's


chris. stop. for your sake. sure, you don't have a particular taste for 70s/80s punk but that's exactly what it is... personal taste. do not degrade the old stuff just because you don't like the way it sounds. that, my friend, would be perfect grounds for me to resent you.

[NoUse]

Originally posted by Greg



-on another note i think it's fucking awsome how this thread was turned on seth and made him look like an ass. thanks people. the thread didnt make him look like an ass, he constantly makes himself look like an ass.

[proeuthanasia]

Originally posted by Greg
did you EVER listen to either Dookie or Insomniac? they are both full of bitter angry songs. especially Insomniac. and guess what? that interview was shortly after Insomniac. so it kinda makes sense. i think its obvious that billie joe is a bitter person.


i own insomniac greg. one of my favorite albums of all time. yes, billie's lyrics did portray him as bitter. they did not, however, portray him as narrowminded. thus the reason i was disappointed in the fact that he so ignorantly insulted so many people. he does not have to like those people, hell, i don't even like many of those people.. but he has no right, nor any grounds, to strip them the credit of their talent.

[mxpx]

Originally posted by PeeDster
billie joe owns.

[BuriedAlive]

jess, as you said thats billie joes personal taste just like i have mine and you have yours. so he isnt degrading shit he is telling them how he feels which you are allowed to do considering we have this thing thats one of our many freedoms called the freedom of speech. so leave it as a personal taste because thats all that it is. he isnt degrading something that hundreds of thousands of people havent already degraded.

[hot damn!]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
jess, as you said thats billie joes personal taste just like i have mine and you have yours. so he isnt degrading shit he is telling them how he feels which you are allowed to do considering we have this thing thats one of our many freedoms called the freedom of speech. so leave it as a personal taste because thats all that it is. he isnt degrading something that hundreds of thousands of people havent already degraded. Yes fine thats true, there is that little thing called freedom of speech. but theres only a select few who can articulate themselves well with said "freedom". either billie joe is a trash talking asshole or he's trying to cause contraversy to hype themselves for their upcoming release.

[Absolute Mest]

seth is a fucker

[BuriedAlive]

Originally posted by hot damn!
Yes fine thats true, there is that little thing called freedom of speech. but theres only a select few who can articulate themselves well with said "freedom". either billie joe is a trash talking asshole or he's trying to cause contraversy to hype themselves for their upcoming release.

or maybe he is just stating his opinion on some shit bands.

[hot damn!]

Originally posted by Absolute Mest
seth is a fucker there's no need for trash talking.

[hot damn!]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
or maybe he is just stating his opinion on some shit bands. who's to say they're shit bands?

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
or maybe he is just stating his opinion on some shit bands.
For your information, BUDDY, those are some of the best bands ever. And no one can argue that, whether you like punk or not.

[Absolute Mest]

Green Day is the very band that brought me into this 'punk' scene-thingy and I will always love their music for that. Billie Joel didn't have to be so much of an ass. At the pop-disaster tour, he did show quite a bit of his angry sad and so did some of his lyrics upon further review of them.

I think the worst thing for any band/member to do is trash other bands just because you can. Yeah, many other people have done the whole degrading bands shit but as another artist working the same field as you is just fucking stupid.

[BuriedAlive]

i was stating an opinion, which i am allowed to do. i mean seriously that time period of music just sucked.

[Absolute Mest]

Originally posted by hot damn!
there's no need for trash talking.

i just wanted to change the subject.

[BuriedAlive]

Originally posted by FishAlotNBePunk
For your information, BUDDY, those are some of the best bands ever. And no one can argue that, whether you like punk or not.

i can argue that it was one of the worst periods of time for music.

[BuriedAlive]

and im not your buddy.

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
i was stating an opinion, which i am allowed to do. i mean seriously that time period of music just sucked.

that time period of music was better than it is now.

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Originally posted by Absolute Mest
I think the worst thing for any band/member to do is trash other bands just because you can. Yeah, many other people have done the whole degrading bands shit but as another artist working the same field as you is just fucking stupid.

yes.

[hot damn!]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
i was stating an opinion, which i am allowed to do. i mean seriously that time period of music just sucked. i dont think that time period sucked with music maybe its your taste in music that's suffering from the vacuum effect.

[proeuthanasia]

cutting in here, the 90s were the best years music has seen in a long time. god i miss the 90s.

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Originally posted by hot damn!
i dont think that time period sucked with music maybe its your taste in music that's suffering from the vacuum effect.

own3d.

[proeuthanasia]

Originally posted by hot damn!
Yes fine thats true, there is that little thing called freedom of speech. but theres only a select few who can articulate themselves well with said "freedom". either billie joe is a trash talking asshole or he's trying to cause contraversy to hype themselves for their upcoming release.


i am in agreement. and it's such a damn let-down.

[BuriedAlive]

the 60-70's were good years with jimi hendrix (best guitarist ever) and led zep and all the others but punk in the 80's that wasnt any good. thank god for curt cobain, he killed what was left of punk. and thats why the 90's was one of the best decades of music.

[proeuthanasia]

Originally posted by hot damn!
who's to say they're shit bands?



once again, i agree.

[BuriedAlive]

agree all you want, its not gonna change how i feel about those bands. i personally think they suck, and i dont see whats the big deal. i have an opinion just like you have yours.

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
the 60-70's were good years with jimi hendrix (best guitarist ever) and led zep and all the others but punk in the 80's that wasnt any good. thank god for curt cobain, he killed what was left of punk. and thats why the 90's was one of the best decades of music.

The 80's were great. You had Minor Threat, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Descendents etc.. and bands like NOFX and Bad Religion starting out. And Kurt Cobain and Nirvana is actually one of the reasons punk got big in the 90's. How can you say Nirvana killed 80's punk, that's rediculous. It doesnt even make sense.

[BuriedAlive]

dude punk died in the 80's the new wave of "grunge" was in with bands like nirvana and pearl jam and faith no more. they didnt sound anything like the punk bands back in that period of time.

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
dude punk died in the 80's the new wave of "grunge" was in with bands like nirvana and pearl jam and faith no more. they didnt sound anything like the punk bands back in that period of time.

Then tell me why there is still punk rock bands, including some that are still around from the late 70's?

[hot damn!]

actually im sure if you dig deep enough punk was still big in the underground. nirvana comes along takes all the media attention, which kept punk quiet until it broke through again in the early to mid 90's.

[BuriedAlive]

because it became "mainstream" again. just like how people say grunge died once curt pulled the trigger, well they are wrong, stretch arm strong is a grunge band and they are probably plenty others.

[BuriedAlive]

Originally posted by hot damn!
actually im sure if you dig deep enough punk was still big in the underground. nirvana comes along takes all the media attention, which kept punk quiet until it broke through again in the early to mid 90's.

i agree because when i said it died i meant it dropped from the mainstream and you didnt see punks walking around on the street anymore.

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
i agree because when i said it died i meant it dropped from the mainstream and you didnt see punks walking around on the street anymore.

yeah you did. Maybe because grunge was big you didnt NOTICE it, but the punks and the punk music was still there.

[Absolute Mest]

i like fish and burritos

[proeuthanasia]

Originally posted by FishAlotNBePunk
yeah you did. Maybe because grunge was big you didnt NOTICE it, but the punks and the punk music was still there.


exactly. it just wasn't a fad anymore. the 'fashion public' had moved on to the 'next big thing' which, as it just so happens, was grunge.

[wadejunkie]

i want to hear some quotes that really "diss"

calling someone a bitter old bastard isnt saying they suck. its saying their a bitter old bastard. like neil young. and bob dylan. it wont change the fact that the music is good

[proeuthanasia]

Originally posted by wadejunkie
i want to hear some quotes that really "diss"

calling someone a bitter old bastard isnt saying they suck. its saying their a bitter old bastard. like neil young. and bob dylan. it wont change the fact that the music is good



he also said that bush had no talent guitar-wise. he said the same of a few other bands as well, whose names i can't recall.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Originally posted by proeuthanasia
he also said that bush had no talent guitar-wise. he said the same of a few other bands as well, whose names i can't recall.

Billie Joe has no room to talk. Green Day music is beginner's music.

[Greg]

Originally posted by PlaysWithFire
Billie Joe has no room to talk. Green Day music is beginner's music.


guitar wise. because he mostyly plays chords since he sings. btu bass wise alot of songs have fills and such are a lil hard if you dont knwo what yu're doing. and beginners deifnently CAN NOT play Longview. ive seen soooo many bassits murder that song. its sad...

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Due to the fact that half of you are complete ignoramuses, I have no choice but to close this thread.

[Patrick]

i used to love greenday, but then bilie joel turned gay

[hot damn!]

play fair ass hat, you know who you are.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

seth, once again, showing us what a mod shouldn't be. thank you so much.

[Greg]

Originally posted by PlaysWithFire
seth, once again, showing us what a mod shouldn't be. thank you so much.

yea pretty much

[Patrick]

ya seth dont be a slut

[wadejunkie]

billie joe knows how to play guitar. hes pretty good. even if the songs he writes are basic, hes a good guitar player. any body who says he isnt probably doesnt know anything

[FishAlotNBePunk]

I'm the best fucking mod this forum has ever seen.

[Greg]

Originally posted by wadejunkie
billie joe knows how to play guitar. hes pretty good. even if the songs he writes are basic, hes a good guitar player. any body who says he isnt probably doesnt know anything

*coughsethcough*

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Originally posted by FishAlotNBePunk
I'm the best fucking mod this forum has ever seen.

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[Greg]

Originally posted by Patrick
ya seth dont be a slut


stop with the insults. it just pisses seth off and makes him do stupid shit. like close this thread for no reason.... just stop it... theres no point.


i dont knwo why im trying to defend seth...

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Billie Joe is no good at guitar, man he wrote "Minority"

I rest my case.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Originally posted by FishAlotNBePunk
Billie Joe is no good at guitar, man he wrote "Minority"

I rest my case.

Fat Mike has wrote some shitty songs man. Admit it.

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Originally posted by PlaysWithFire
Fat Mike has wrote some shitty songs man. Admit it.

That cover they did of Johnny B. Good was shitty. thats it though. But why does Fat Mike always come into this?

[Absolute Mest]

Did Fat Bastard sing in Austin Powers?

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Originally posted by FishAlotNBePunk
That cover they did of Johnny B. Good was shitty. thats it though. But why does Fat Mike always come into this?

because you start discussions with him(see post #1 in this thread), then expect him to be left out of it(see every other post you made in this thread)

[blaarg]

[if the incredible hulk were to take the form of a rant, it would be this]

i'll begin with the question on everyone's mind. "is jonny rotten really bitter?" well, to quote jonny himself "fuck you, i'm the problem"- so we all know the answer to that question. the next question which would arise from this is; where would any of us be without this bitter, bitter man? i know i'd be listening to boring hair-metal and hippy rock, all the emo kids would be listening to the latest backstreet boys song, the punks would be listening to... god knows what, metalheads wouldn't have much concidering the sex pistols influenced the misfits who influenced countless metal bands, including the likes of metallica and white/rob zombie. now we all want to know where those little pricks from green day would be, well they'd probably still be rich businessmen on MTV, but they wouldn't be able to sell themselves under a 'punk' label without the sex pistols' music, now would they? yes, of course he was bitter, but it's his being bitter that makes him so great, would anyone give to shits about the sex pistols if he went out saying "everything's great, i'm fine, how are you? keen, lets sit down for a cup o' tea" and for that, he deserves nothing less than our up-most respect and admiration.
now where he isaid joey ramone was a bitter old bastard.... that's just blasphemy, to call the creator a bitter old bastard. (yes "the creater" because he created all of us, he created punk, the standards, the lifestyle, the attitude, the image, the music, etc) people i know have met joey ramone on many occasions, he was described as "a gentle giant" so billy joe is just pulling that out of his ass. besides, didn't they cover ramones songs at their induction to the rock and roll hall of fame? yes, the rock and roll hall of fame, a place (god willing) green day will never see again.
then he had the audacity to say the ramones, & buzzcocks were overrated, meanwhile green day's entire sound is just ripped off from those two bands, they have nothing original about them, and without the ramones and the buzzcocks, they have nothing at all.
anyone who wants to call himself a "punk" or play in a "punk-rock" band should at least respect the people that founded and shaped the genre. as if the issue of green day being a bounch of douche bags needed any more proof than already existing was necessary, i'd say it's pretty much apparent now. fuck green day, not only for what they said about their gods, not only for their music being entirely derived from other bands, being unoriginal and just plain sucking, but for the fact that they paved the way for these shit new "punk" bands on MTV who'd rather make a quick buck than show any musical inginuity, creativity, or even any signs of self respect or any form of thought beyond immediate superficial goals, such as getting rich of a trend and exploiting the music that shaped the movement of punk rock, and the lifestyle of millions of people worldwide looking for an answer beyond the one provided by society, saying to fall into line.

now as far as fat mike vs george bush is concerned, i love nofx, their music is amazing, and as far as politics are concerned i usually agree with them, but on the topic of their undenaible despising of bush, i cannot say i agree with them. i hate george bush as much as anyone, but he's saying "get bush out of office" this will not change anything, as bush is a puppet, the title "president" entitles no REAL power, as the president is simply a figurehead. if the figurehead is removed, the actions of the machine behind the figurehead will continue and remain the same. (ex.) big bush bombed iraq, clinton came around and was supposed to be super liberal, so he just cut off the supply of any external materials to iraq, including food, etc. so he starved iraq, then little bush came around and bombed iraq. so; republican or democrat, choose your poison.

[end hulk rant]

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Pretty well said, Joe.

[proeuthanasia]

Originally posted by blaarg
[if the incredible hulk were to take the form of a rant, it would be this]

i'll begin with the question on everyone's mind. "is jonny rotten really bitter?" well, to quote jonny himself "fuck you, i'm the problem"- so we all know the answer to that question. the next question which would arise from this is; where would any of us be without this bitter, bitter man? i know i'd be listening to boring hair-metal and hippy rock, all the emo kids would be listening to the latest backstreet boys song, the punks would be listening to... god knows what, metalheads wouldn't have much concidering the sex pistols influenced the misfits who influenced countless metal bands, including the likes of metallica and white/rob zombie. now we all want to know where those little pricks from green day would be, well they'd probably still be rich businessmen on MTV, but they wouldn't be able to sell themselves under a 'punk' label without the sex pistols' music, now would they? yes, of course he was bitter, but it's his being bitter that makes him so great, would anyone give to shits about the sex pistols if he went out saying "everything's great, i'm fine, how are you? keen, lets sit down for a cup o' tea" and for that, he deserves nothing less than our up-most respect and admiration.
now where he isaid joey ramone was a bitter old bastard.... that's just blasphemy, to call the creator a bitter old bastard. (yes "the creater" because he created all of us, he created punk, the standards, the lifestyle, the attitude, the image, the music, etc) people i know have met joey ramone on many occasions, he was described as "a gentle giant" so billy joe is just pulling that out of his ass. besides, didn't they cover ramones songs at their induction to the rock and roll hall of fame? yes, the rock and roll hall of fame, a place (god willing) green day will never see again.
then he had the audacity to say the ramones, & buzzcocks were overrated, meanwhile green day's entire sound is just ripped off from those two bands, they have nothing original about them, and without the ramones and the buzzcocks, they have nothing at all.
anyone who wants to call himself a "punk" or play in a "punk-rock" band should at least respect the people that founded and shaped the genre. as if the issue of green day being a bounch of douche bags needed any more proof than already existing was necessary, i'd say it's pretty much apparent now. fuck green day, not only for what they said about their gods, not only for their music being entirely derived from other bands, being unoriginal and just plain sucking, but for the fact that they paved the way for these shit new "punk" bands on MTV who'd rather make a quick buck than show any musical inginuity, creativity, or even any signs of self respect or any form of thought beyond immediate superficial goals, such as getting rich of a trend and exploiting the music that shaped the movement of punk rock, and the lifestyle of millions of people worldwide looking for an answer beyond the one provided by society, saying to fall into line.

now as far as fat mike vs george bush is concerned, i love nofx, their music is amazing, and as far as politics are concerned i usually agree with them, but on the topic of their undenaible despising of bush, i cannot say i agree with them. i hate george bush as much as anyone, but he's saying "get bush out of office" this will not change anything, as bush is a puppet, the title "president" entitles no REAL power, as the president is simply a figurehead. if the figurehead is removed, the actions of the machine behind the figurehead will continue and remain the same. (ex.) big bush bombed iraq, clinton came around and was supposed to be super liberal, so he just cut off the supply of any external materials to iraq, including food, etc. so he starved iraq, then little bush came around and bombed iraq. so; republican or democrat, choose your poison.

[end hulk rant]



ladies and gentlemen, THE post of posts. well said joe. i applaud you. (and if it wouldn't cause me to be pestered by posters too goddamn lazy to scroll a bit, i'd put that in my sig.)

[Absolute Mest]

Originally posted by blaarg
[if the incredible hulk were to take the form of a rant, it would be this]

i'll begin with the question on everyone's mind. "is jonny rotten really bitter?" well, to quote jonny himself "fuck you, i'm the problem"- so we all know the answer to that question. the next question which would arise from this is; where would any of us be without this bitter, bitter man? i know i'd be listening to boring hair-metal and hippy rock, all the emo kids would be listening to the latest backstreet boys song, the punks would be listening to... god knows what, metalheads wouldn't have much concidering the sex pistols influenced the misfits who influenced countless metal bands, including the likes of metallica and white/rob zombie. now we all want to know where those little pricks from green day would be, well they'd probably still be rich businessmen on MTV, but they wouldn't be able to sell themselves under a 'punk' label without the sex pistols' music, now would they? yes, of course he was bitter, but it's his being bitter that makes him so great, would anyone give to shits about the sex pistols if he went out saying "everything's great, i'm fine, how are you? keen, lets sit down for a cup o' tea" and for that, he deserves nothing less than our up-most respect and admiration.
now where he isaid joey ramone was a bitter old bastard.... that's just blasphemy, to call the creator a bitter old bastard. (yes "the creater" because he created all of us, he created punk, the standards, the lifestyle, the attitude, the image, the music, etc) people i know have met joey ramone on many occasions, he was described as "a gentle giant" so billy joe is just pulling that out of his ass. besides, didn't they cover ramones songs at their induction to the rock and roll hall of fame? yes, the rock and roll hall of fame, a place (god willing) green day will never see again.
then he had the audacity to say the ramones, & buzzcocks were overrated, meanwhile green day's entire sound is just ripped off from those two bands, they have nothing original about them, and without the ramones and the buzzcocks, they have nothing at all.
anyone who wants to call himself a "punk" or play in a "punk-rock" band should at least respect the people that founded and shaped the genre. as if the issue of green day being a bounch of douche bags needed any more proof than already existing was necessary, i'd say it's pretty much apparent now. fuck green day, not only for what they said about their gods, not only for their music being entirely derived from other bands, being unoriginal and just plain sucking, but for the fact that they paved the way for these shit new "punk" bands on MTV who'd rather make a quick buck than show any musical inginuity, creativity, or even any signs of self respect or any form of thought beyond immediate superficial goals, such as getting rich of a trend and exploiting the music that shaped the movement of punk rock, and the lifestyle of millions of people worldwide looking for an answer beyond the one provided by society, saying to fall into line.

now as far as fat mike vs george bush is concerned, i love nofx, their music is amazing, and as far as politics are concerned i usually agree with them, but on the topic of their undenaible despising of bush, i cannot say i agree with them. i hate george bush as much as anyone, but he's saying "get bush out of office" this will not change anything, as bush is a puppet, the title "president" entitles no REAL power, as the president is simply a figurehead. if the figurehead is removed, the actions of the machine behind the figurehead will continue and remain the same. (ex.) big bush bombed iraq, clinton came around and was supposed to be super liberal, so he just cut off the supply of any external materials to iraq, including food, etc. so he starved iraq, then little bush came around and bombed iraq. so; republican or democrat, choose your poison.

[end hulk rant]

I read the first paragraph of that... can someone sum it up for me?

[wadejunkie]

im just going to restate that billie joe is good at guitar. just because minority sucks doesnt mean hes a bad guitarist

[Matthew]

Originally posted by Absolute Mest
I read the first paragraph of that... can someone sum it up for me?


Fuck it. You're better off buying the Cliff Notes.

[Absolute Mest]

I agree with you on the bush fat mike crapp. I don't have a problem with anyone. Presidents are fuck ups. Most go about the same thing just from different directions so liberal or republican wouldn't really matter when it comes down to cases like Iraq. Um...

Billie Joel is a good guitarist and Green Days music is good too. Billie has just taken fame all to his head. He's no super hot shit either. The people that paved the way for you, no matter how bad they sound today or back then shaped you and made you what you are and Billie is like Frankenstein's monster turning on Dr. Frankenstein. Dumb fuck. They made him/Green Day what they are and he owes it to them.

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Originally posted by Absolute Mest
I agree with you on the bush fat mike crapp. I don't have a problem with anyone. Presidents are fuck ups. Most go about the same thing just from different directions so liberal or republican wouldn't really matter when it comes down to cases like Iraq. Um...

Billie Joel is a good guitarist and Green Days music is good too. Billie has just taken fame all to his head. He's no super hot shit either. The people that paved the way for you, no matter how bad they sound today or back then shaped you and made you what you are and Billie is like Frankenstein's monster turning on Dr. Frankenstein. Dumb fuck. They made him/Green Day what they are and he owes it to them.

thats a very good way of putting it.

[Absolute Mest]

Originally posted by FishAlotNBePunk
thats a very good way of putting it.

i try

[Absolute Mest]

Reply 100...

and the reply to the next reply about my reply... FUCK YOU

[Throwback]

Originally posted by suckerpunch_
why did you have yo stand up for fat mike at the end there?? well whatever

Because I really like Fat Mike said. Now, I'm not the biggest NoFx song, but I do really love some of their stuff, and I was shocked by his views on bands like Good Charlotte. As he put it: "Good Charlotte, their hearts are in the right place and they'll reach a million kids and then we'll make this happen. And that's punk rock." See, its not the bands in the scene who are assholes, its the kids. And Billie Joe needs to learn some respect.

[NoUse]

Good God...everyone back the fuck off BuriedAlive. Whats the point in stirring up so much controversy over the fact that he doesnt like early punk bands? You all have bands you think suck...he has bands he thinks suck. Just because the ones he thinks suck (and they do) are influential, doesnt mean you have to trash the kid.


And Fat Mike still sucks, Seth.

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Ok, without Fat Mike, you wouldnt have any of the Fat Wreck released NUFAN albums, you know.

Just tellin ya.

[NoUse]

You're right...'cause by no means could there have been a different label interested in them...at all.

He still sucks.

Just tellin ya.

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Originally posted by NoUse
You're right...'cause by no means could there have been a different label interested in them...at all.

He still sucks.

Just tellin ya.

I want a good solid reason why he sucks.

[Billy]

Originally posted by NoUse
Using Fat Mike as an example had nothing to do with Green Day or the article. you have to understand that seth ties anything to fat mike. I seriously think that seth thinks fat mike is god.

[NoUse]

I'm not gonna fill this thread with more trash than it already has...if you wanna whine and get some "good solid reasons" as to why he sucks, IM me.

[blaarg]

Originally posted by NoUse
Good God...everyone back the fuck off BuriedAlive. Whats the point in stirring up so much controversy over the fact that he doesnt like early punk bands? You all have bands you think suck...he has bands he thinks suck. Just because the ones he thinks suck (and they do) are influential, doesnt mean you have to trash the kid.


And Fat Mike still sucks, Seth.
yea, that's a big difference though, if you say "i like music, but i hate the first cave man to ever hit two rocks together and create a rhythemic sound" you're just a douchebag, and there's no questioning it.

and absolutemest put it pretty well, except for one thing, billy joe isn't a good guitarist, i don't think there are any punk guitarists i'd look up to as "good guitarists" cept maybe hefe, and the guitarists from RKL, but for the most part, punk is attitude, not talent. even shitty generic pop-punk.

[NoUse]

Originally posted by blaarg
yea, that's a big difference though, if you say "i like music, but i hate the first cave man to ever hit two rocks together and create a rhythemic sound" you're just a douchebag, and there's no questioning it.
None of that means the cave man was good, just influential. I fully realize the influence of these bands...and appreciate that. I just dont like the music. Its as simple as that. I dont have to like the music just because it paved the way for what I do like now.

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Originally posted by Billy
you have to understand that seth ties anything to fat mike. I seriously think that seth thinks fat mike is god.

Why do you put words in my mouth? I don't tie him into everything, he just happens to be one of my favorite musicians who happens to be in my favorite bands. Just like youre precious Jesse Lacey, or Conor Oberst. I would appreciate it if you stopped being an ass.

And I want you to repeat after me. Come on, don't hold back.

SETH DOES NOT THINK "FAT" MIKE BURKETT IS GOD.

[NoUse]

hahaha..you're such a moron.

[Absolute Mest]

Originally posted by blaarg
yea, that's a big difference though, if you say "i like music, but i hate the first cave man to ever hit two rocks together and create a rhythemic sound" you're just a douchebag, and there's no questioning it.

and absolutemest put it pretty well, except for one thing, billy joe isn't a good guitarist, i don't think there are any punk guitarists i'd look up to as "good guitarists" cept maybe hefe, and the guitarists from RKL, but for the most part, punk is attitude, not talent. even shitty generic pop-punk.

I should have said he was a good guitarist/vocalist considering he at the same time tries to get the crowd going as well. But I'm probably wrong again.

[blaarg]

Originally posted by NoUse
None of that means the cave man was good, just influential. I fully realize the influence of these bands...and appreciate that. I just dont like the music. Its as simple as that. I dont have to like the music just because it paved the way for what I do like now.
but it sounded like you were defending billy joe, who wasn't saying "i appreciate their influence, but i'm not a fan" he was just talking shit about them. i never said anyone had to like a certain band, just at least respect them.

and, billy joe may be good live, i'm not sure i've never seen green day live, and i plan on keeping it that way, but he still has no talent as a singer, or guitarist. james hetfield from metallica does both at the same time, but is talented so it works

[NoUse]

Originally posted by blaarg
but it sounded like you were defending billy joe, who wasn't saying "i appreciate their influence, but i'm not a fan" he was just talking shit about them. i never said anyone had to like a certain band, just at least respect them.
I'm not defending anyone other than BuriedAlive who got ripped for stating a simple opinion, and one that I agree with.

[blaarg]

Originally posted by BuriedAlive
the 60-70's were good years with jimi hendrix (best guitarist ever) and led zep and all the others but punk in the 80's that wasnt any good. thank god for curt cobain, he killed what was left of punk. and thats why the 90's was one of the best decades of music.
1) you spelled KURT cobain wrong
2) jimmi hendrix is by no means the best guitarist ever, yngwini is better than him, and rhandy rhoads was better than him to name a few. the only way one could argue that he was the greatest guitarist ever, is if you would take into account his inginuity, the impact he had on music and his influence, in which case you'd also have to say that oldschool punk bands from the 70's and 80's are the greatest punk bands ever.
3) "the 90's was one of the best decades of music." one word, dude; blasphemy

[NoUse]

Lets allll just let this stupid thread die...

[kidinthecorner]

Originally posted by NoUse
I'm not defending anyone other than BuriedAlive who got ripped for stating a simple opinion, and one that I agree with. I agree with him too. Go watch some of the old videos of those influencial punk bands, half the time the singers cant sing and play guitar at the same time. It takes too much skill to do so. They were not great musicians, but they were extremely influential and I do respect them for that.

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Originally posted by kidinthecorner
I agree with him too. Go watch some of the old videos of those influencial punk bands, half the time the singers cant sing and play guitar at the same time. It takes too much skill to do so. They were not great musicians, but they were extremely influential and I do respect them for that.
exactly, punk isnt about being talented its about getting some friends together starting a band and having fun.

case closed.

[hot damn!]

Originally posted by NoUse
I'm not defending anyone other than BuriedAlive who got ripped for stating a simple opinion, and one that I agree with. Sorry man but BuriedAlive left himself open for criticism, you can't say something "sucks" and not expect some sort of backlash.

[the_champ_is_here]

Originally posted by hot damn!
Sorry man but BuriedAlive left himself open for criticism, you can't say something "sucks" and not expect some sort of backlash. Bill sucks

[hot damn!]

Originally posted by Balderdash
Bill sucks well you know no one likes me here so no backlash will ensue.

[Throwback]

Originally posted by FishAlotNBePunk
exactly, punk isnt about being talented its about getting some friends together starting a band and having fun.

case closed.

Exactly. Why do you think NoFx put out those two 7". (Fuck the Kids, Surfer) Because Fat Mike felt that had gotten too good at what they were doing (Melvin and Hefe are sweet ass guitarists) and he wanted to do a more 'punk' album.

[NoUse]

Originally posted by hot damn!
Sorry man but BuriedAlive left himself open for criticism, you can't say something "sucks" and not expect some sort of backlash. I said they suck at the same time as him, nobody backlashed against me.

Of course there's gonna be backlash...I just think a lot of you got pretty harsh just 'cause he doesnt like the music.