Play Harmonica in the Bubble

[Jason Tate]

Cartel (http://www.absolutepunk.net/cartel) are looking for a harmonica player (http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/tlg/342172836.html) to come play on their new album. All of the information can be found in the replies.

[Jason Tate]

MTV and the Rock Band Cartel are looking for a Harmonica Player!

The Series "Band in a Bubble" is in full effect right now and we will be holding an amazing event!

This is a HUGE opportunity for a musician! Cartel is looking for a
Harmonica player to PLAY on their new album, which they are currently recording at Hudson Piers, for the show "Band in a Bubble"!

We are holding an audition THIS Sunday, June 3rd at 1pm at the bubble in
New York City!
If you are chosen, you have a chance to play on a track on their new album!
You will receive credit for your talent in the liner notes, and will be documented on MTV!

Check out drpepperbubble.com for more info on the show
Check out CartelRocks.com for info on the band

Can you play the harmonica? Think you have what it takes? Do you live in
the NYC area? Then respond back to us ASAP!!

E-mail us and Include:

Name:
Age:
Phone:
Experience with the Harmonica:
Also, include a recent picture, and be sure to put "HARMONICA" in the
subject line. You will need to play 30 seconds of ORIGINAL material at the
audition! Be sure to let ALL of your friends know about this contest as
well!

[Jason Tate]

If anyone from AP.net does this -- wear an AP.net t-shirt.

(And demand a point on the album. Session harmonica players probably charge bank - especially on a major label release.)

[bubonic311]

Is John Hopper an AP.net reader?

[passingtime49]

This is a joke, right ?

[passingtime49]

Is John Hopper an AP.net reader?
I think you mean John Popper, from Blues Traveler

[LTJ182]

the three clips on the audio section of drpepperbubble.com sound great.

[Adrian Villagomez]

Pass. I'll hold out for something better.

[LTJ182]

If anyone from AP.net does this -- wear an AP.net t-shirt.

(And demand a point on the album. Session harmonica players probably charge bank - especially on a major label release.)

NO
wear a chik fil-a shirt

[Jason Tate]

the three clips on the audio section of drpepperbubble.com sound great.
... and you only have to pay for some Dr. Pepper to hear them!

[Jason Tate]

NO
wear a chik fil-a shirt
Sorry -- this is AP.net, I figure the only way to combat the massive whores Cartel have become for corporate products is to whore this website out in a similar manner.

[LTJ182]

... and you only have to pay for some Dr. Pepper to hear them!

its only a dollar here in the hood.

[emokid333]

Sorry -- this is AP.net, I figure the only way to combat the massive whores Cartel have become for corporate products is to whore this website out in a similar manner.

O man look at Tate getting his shots in

[Adrian Villagomez]

its only a dollar here in the hood.The guys in Cartel are wiping their asses with your dollars.

[Jason Tate]

its only a dollar here in the hood.
A dollar for 3 clips? No thanks. Not worth it.

[LTJ182]

The guys in Cartel are wiping their asses with your dollars.

Thats fine. I support them.

[LTJ182]

A dollar for 3 clips? No thanks. Not worth it.

prob about all you will get to hear until the record comes out, Im guessing you wont be getting an advance of this one.

[Adrian Villagomez]

Thats fine. I support them.Well, that's your choice. More power to you.

[Adrian Villagomez]

prob about all you will get to hear until the record comes out, Im guessing you wont be getting an advance of this one.I think he's had all the pop punk he could take recently. :-D

[Jason Tate]

prob about all you will get to hear until the record comes out, Im guessing you wont be getting an advance of this one.
Hahahahaha. They're at a major label now ... easier to get advances than it ever was at an "indie" label. All you need is a blogspot and you're golden.

Bet I hear the album before you do. Even if they're too big for AP.net now (irony being that this website is still about 6x bigger than what they're currently streaming these new clips on). Good trade. :rolleyes:

[Melissa Johnson]

I forsee a spike in teenage kidney-stone patients soon.

[LTJ182]

Hahahahaha. They're at a major label now ... easier to get advances than it ever was at an "indie" label. All you need is a blogspot and you're golden.

Bet I hear the album before you do.

well, beings that they are mixing it in NY and Ive already heard 6 FINISHED songs...Im thinkin no.

Yea it was hard for you to get it on the last album. I had chroma, and frank told you he got it from me. You bitched online for an hour.

And by the way TMG sent it to frank; not me.

[Jason Tate]

well, beings that they are mixing it in NY and Ive already heard 6 FINISHED songs...Im thinkin no.

Yea it was hard for you to get it on the last album. I had chroma, and frank told you he got it from me. You bitched online for an hour.

And by the way TMG sent it to frank; not me.
Really? 6 finished songs? So this "recording in a bubble" thing is all a joke? A complete farce?

Man, I can't believe a band would stoop this low as to deceive "fans" in such a manner. That's pretty fucked up. I can't believe you basically just admitted that online as well.

It was hard to get the last album? False.

[LTJ182]

Really? 6 finished songs? So this "recording in a bubble" thing is all a joke? A complete farce?

Man, I can't believe a band would stoop this low as to deceive "fans" in such a manner. That's pretty fucked up. I can't believe you basically just admitted that online as well.

It was hard to get the last album? False.

Oh Jason... You are smarter than this. (and I sense your sarcasim the whole way through.)

And I am sure you connected all the dots reading past posts, in past threads.

[GiggsOho]

If anyone from AP.net does this -- wear an AP.net t-shirt.


ftw and wear a Coke shirt.

[Jason Tate]

Oh Jason... You are smarter than this. (and I sense your sarcasim the whole way through.)

And I am sure you connected all the dots reading past posts, in past threads.
Yeah, I was laying it on pretty thick. Glad you caught that.

[konstantine94]

I've lost track of how many Cartel threads that Don and Jason have argued in.

[passingtime49]

How many harmonica players could there be in the NYC area ?

[LTJ182]

Yeah, I was laying it on pretty thick. Glad you caught that.

come on now..that was like a case of Skippy Chunky Peanut Butter stuck between Ritz Crackers. Its going to take a whole gallon of Nestles Chocolate Milk to wash it down and a roll of Brawny Paper Towel to clean up after.

hows that???

I like corporate sponsorships though

[pleasegoodmusic]

Anyone else seeing the real significance of this? Cartel is actually modifying what ends up on their music in order to provide content for their boring show. What's next, giving out drum fills for pepsi points?

[ZeoVGM]

Jesus Jason, we get it, and yeah, a lot of us agree it's lame.

But damn, you seem very personally affected by this.

[Jason Tate]

Jesus Jason, we get it, and yeah, a lot of us agree it's lame.

But damn, you seem very personally affected by this.
Didn't get the "I'm being sarcastic" memo? Man, even Don got that one.

[LTJ182]

Didn't get the "I'm being sarcastic" memo? Man, even Don got that one.

Hey now.....

[sometimesnj327]

If anyone from AP.net does this -- wear an AP.net t-shirt.

(And demand a point on the album. Session harmonica players probably charge bank - especially on a major label release.)

yeah... lets hate cartel for recording in a bubble but promote your site on their show... yeah

[jimboj917]

Is John Hopper an AP.net reader?

it's john popper, not hopper.

[jimboj917]

Is John Hopper an AP.net reader?

it's john popper, not hopper.

[ATL148]

So I get it, Jason doesn't like the idea of the bubble and the "selling out" that is taking place through the corporate sponsorship and ridiculousness that is taking place inside due to the creative genius that is MTV (<---sarcasm). But why do we continue to spend hours arguing over it? People who are not into the genre(s) showcased on this site may see one of the Dr. Pepper commercials and say wow thats a retarded idea and never give it a second thought, yet we, the people who strive to push ap.net and any site related to punk/pop-punk/hardcore/etc.etc.etc. bicker back and forth over it....I'm not sure I understand. If you like Cartel, awesome. If you don't awesome. I think they are a great band and have made two CDs thus far that I have enjoyed immensely. But it is a career for them and they need to make money. Maybe they have gone about it in the wrong way in this instance, but in my opinion the cd that comes out of this will be awesome. And I hope that anyone who has hated on the Bubble idea so far will be able to admit it if they find the cd to be worthwhile. Plus, no one has even thought about anything good coming out of this situation....what if the band picks up tons more fans from the show and sells out an entire headlining tour? (not sure if they did that last time around) So what? you might say.. But, what if they take New Atlantic out again, or maybe Holiday Parade, or whatever small, "indie" band each of us may like that hasn't been able to get in the spotlight yet? It could be an unbelievable opportunity for tons of bands who haven't seen as much press or blogging on this site as Cartel has in the recent past. So my point is that you may not like this idea or even Cartel as a band but rather than fucking spending hours on here arguing about whether you love/hate it, give other users another recommendation, go to a show, buy a cd, support the fucking "scene" (as ambiguous as that word is) and make the bands that you love successful and making the music you love to listen to. If they aren't able to make money in the careers they are working in, they will no longer be able to be a band. I personally would put Acceptance in a bubble sponsored by Target, Wal-Mart, BP, Shell, Microsoft, etc. to be able to have another cd which is even remotely as good as "Phantoms" was.

[Jason Tate]

yeah... lets hate cartel for recording in a bubble but promote your site on their show... yeah
I sure wish you got the joke ... then I wouldn't be laughing at you right now.

[Jason Tate]

So I get it, Jason doesn't like the idea of the bubble and the "selling out" that is taking place through the corporate sponsorship and ridiculousness that is taking place inside due to the creative genius that is MTV (<---sarcasm).

That's a gross simplification of my feelings on this project.

But why do we continue to spend hours arguing over it?

Because we are a website with a forum, and most of us just bored enough to argue over things like this.

People who are not into the genre(s) showcased on this site may see one of the Dr. Pepper commercials and say wow thats a retarded idea and never give it a second thought,

Thereby basically proving exactly why this is a bad idea.

yet we, the people who strive to push ap.net and any site related to punk/pop-punk/hardcore/etc.etc.etc. bicker back and forth over it....I'm not sure I understand.

Because, as you've previously pointed out, we're the ones that (should) matter. I'm not sure how you don't see that.

If you like Cartel, awesome. If you don't awesome.

Great analysis there.

But it is a career for them and they need to make money.

How a band makes money (and represents a genre) matters to some people. Furthermore, I'd argue this is about the last thing a band wanting a CAREER (and not a flash in the pan release) would want to do. Sure, quick pay day, but not a career.

Maybe they have gone about it in the wrong way in this instance, but in my opinion the cd that comes out of this will be awesome.

So you've already decided you'll love the release before hearing it?

And I hope that anyone who has hated on the Bubble idea so far will be able to admit it if they find the cd to be worthwhile.

And I hope that anyone deciding an album is "awesome" before hearing it will be able to admit that the band fucked up - big time - if the CD is not worthwhile.

Plus, no one has even thought about anything good coming out of this situation....

Because the bad far outweights the good.

what if the band picks up tons more fans from the show and sells out an entire headlining tour? (not sure if they did that last time around)

They aren't -- the numbers don't lie. Furthermore, why are the fans they have from hardwork worth less than the fans gained through this means? You're implying that the band needs this gimick to sell out a headlining tour. That's fucking stupid.

So what? you might say.. But, what if they take New Atlantic out again, or maybe Holiday Parade, or whatever small, "indie" band each of us may like that hasn't been able to get in the spotlight yet?

Then I'll make sure I skip the show - and the MTV fans (all 5 of them) will be exposed to music they'll more than likely ignore.

It could be an unbelievable opportunity for tons of bands who haven't seen as much press or blogging on this site as Cartel has in the recent past.

Tons of bands? Dude - how many openers do you think go out on tour with a band?

So my point is that you may not like this idea or even Cartel as a band but rather than fucking spending hours on here arguing about whether you love/hate it,

Hypocrite.

give other users another recommendation,

Yellowcard's Paper Walls. It makes Chroma looks like child's play.

go to a show,

Only if the band's been on MTV first.

buy a cd,

Spent the money on Dr. Pepper.

support the fucking "scene" (as ambiguous as that word is) and make the bands that you love successful and making the music you love to listen to.

You sound like you're writing out a letter for world peace or something. And fuck this "scene" - the "scene" should die off .. bands, and music in general, would be better off without this incarnation of the "scene."

If they aren't able to make money in the careers they are working in, they will no longer be able to be a band.

And bands can (and do) make money without having to become a fucking joke.

I personally would put Acceptance in a bubble sponsored by Target, Wal-Mart, BP, Shell, Microsoft, etc. to be able to have another cd which is even remotely as good as "Phantoms" was.

And the band obviously would rather break up - with their integrity intact - than do so. More power to Acceptance for not doing exactly what you described.

[bste_lax]

I like Cartel. I think the idea is pretty stupid but at the end of the day, I am going to give the album a chance. From the songs I have heard live so far, I am guessing I will enjoy it if they are anything like that but cleaned up.

[solargrrl]

Sorry -- this is AP.net, I figure the only way to combat the massive whores Cartel have become for corporate products is to whore this website out in a similar manner.

sometimes it just takes one sentence to demand a worlds worth of respect :) and people are calling me "off" :)

ATL148, I think you give too little credit to the people who may catch wind of this. I really don't know what the percentage of people who think this is great weren't already Cartel fans of some sort. We have no way of knowing if this will actually bring new fans to the fold, and I have yet to have heard of or read someone witness to having found the piece that was missing in their musical collection due to a Dr. Pepper commercial. Prove me wrong, maybe someone will. Sure, tv shows like the O.C., Grey's, and whatever, have shown to break bands, this is quite different and MUCH more blatant. Give consumers - of all ages - a bit more credit than to discover a band and give them the same chance they would have otherwise, after learning about them like this.

Besides, publicity or not, a band still has to DELIVER in order to keep a fan. Sure, they'll buy a record, but will they like it? Will they go to a show, buy merch? What is the lifetime value of that actual fan? How many cds have you purchased that you tossed aside, and didn't think twice about the band later.

I'm glad ATLiens are excited for them, though I think some of my neighbors act like Atlanta music is finally getting some publicity they so richly deserve ;) I think that this being the biggest thing that's come from Atlanta that isn't rap related in a long time speaks VOLUMES of what is going on here in the ATL. And, to put it bluntly, is shit.

[Nolessthanblink]

Jason, just so you know, you've fucking owned this thread in every way shape and form. Sorry to hear that a band you've helped so much has turned into douchefucks.

That being said, I'm still having high expectations for this album.

[ZeoVGM]

I'm amazed Jason somehow replied to everything ATL said.

I couldn't manage to get past the first sentence as I find it impossible to read the damn 1 paragraph monstrosity.

[Adrian Villagomez]

I'm amazed Jason somehow replied to everything ATL said.

I couldn't manage to get past the first sentence as I find it impossible to read the damn 1 paragraph monstrosity.Haha, I think Jason patented the quote by quote breakdown.

[Jason Tate]

Jason, just so you know, you've fucking owned this thread in every way shape and form. Sorry to hear that a band you've helped so much has turned into douchefucks.

That being said, I'm still having high expectations for this album.

I too have high hopes for the album. I've always had high hopes for the band though ... to become more than just a musical joke.

Guess we'll see what happens...

[konstantine94]

Jason is the master of the quote breakdown.

[mortal soldier]

Jason wins. End of story.

We've had our disagreements, but that QBQ was fucking gold.

[LTJ182]

But, what if they take New Atlantic out again, or maybe Holiday Parade, or whatever small, "indie" band each of us may like that hasn't been able to get in the spotlight yet?

Unfortunately for both of these bands, neither of them will be on the fall cartel tour. (Heard NA will be on the TSL tour...go figure!!!) Look for some bands to be announced soon.

[LTJ182]

Jason, just so you know, you've fucking owned this thread in every way shape and form. Sorry to hear that a band you've helped so much has turned into douchefucks.

That being said, I'm still having high expectations for this album.

depends on how you think about the situation. I for one, think this bubble thing is cool and support the bands decision. I dont think you can call a buncha dudes who love what they do, have written some great jams (so your expectations will be fulfilled), and are gonna get PAID "douchefucks."

They didnt sell out, they BOUGHT IN. Thats how it goes these days. I think its kinda smart.

What if the starting line did it????? would you all be railing them too??

To this day though, Jason, you still have not come out with a clear and concise reason and/or explanation for why you dont like it. Rather its been a barrage of critisism on other peoples opinions, and replying to quotes. People repeatedly have asked for your opinion, but I am sure it will be in the first paragraph of your reviews, in which you often set the stage before talking about the record

[LTJ182]

So you've already decided you'll love the release before hearing it?



I totally just realized who this kid is, and I think he has a gooood idea about what its going to sound like.

[doubletrue]

this is what aaron marsh (lead singer of copeland) had to say about the whole situation....

Let me preface my statement with this. I have no problems with the cartel dudes. I consider Will and Joseph to be very good friends and I would hate for them to take this as anything negative against them personally. I'm only speaking on the situation. I actually have a good amount of respect for Will as a vocalist and a writer and I hold Joseph in very high reguard as a musician and friend. He's also one of the sharpest guys I know.

That being said, I have mixed feelings about the situation. I think it will be good for their career in terms of numbers. I think they'll make lots of new fans.

However. It kills that "we're a real rock band" credibility that they've been claiming to have for so long. There's nothing really Rock'n Roll about the whole thing. But the fans don't care about that. I'm sure their fans will be excited to see the whole process documented as they sip their Dr. Pepper.

The reasons I would not participate in something like this are...

1. The emphasis is taken off of the music itself and given to the situation; the glass walls, the cameras, the corporate sponsors, the drama. It all seems so distracting.

2. There's a certain mystique about the recording process. Most studios are very cave-like. Sometimes you don't see the sun for days. You emerse yourself in this project and no one knows what happens, and when you emerge, you have this peice of art. People appreciate the sound or the songs, and the musicians try to dissect it or figure out how it was done. It seems like that mystique is lost when everything is under this microscope. It becomes more of a spectacle.

3. A record is very personal. I make records for 2 reasons. The first reason is selfish. I make records because I love the process. The second is unselfish. I appreciate the people who want to hear my music and I want to give them more music to enjoy. When I look back on my recording experiences, I remember the excitement of recording our first record. I remember the nerves we had with our second record, trying to make something that all of our fans would love. I remember the confidence we had making out third record and feeling like we were on top of our game. I hate the fact that the cartel guys will look back in 20 years on their second album as something that they did for Dr. Pepper, rather than something that they made for themselves or their fans. It seems so cheap.

Anyway. Hopefully those guys don't take offense to what I'm saying. I really am happy for them and hope that they can crank out a record that they're proud of despite all the hype and cameras.

[pleasegoodmusic]

this is what aaron marsh (lead singer of copeland) had to say about the whole situation....

Let me preface my statement with this. I have no problems with the cartel dudes. I consider Will and Joseph to be very good friends and I would hate for them to take this as anything negative against them personally. I'm only speaking on the situation. I actually have a good amount of respect for Will as a vocalist and a writer and I hold Joseph in very high reguard as a musician and friend. He's also one of the sharpest guys I know.

That being said, I have mixed feelings about the situation. I think it will be good for their career in terms of numbers. I think they'll make lots of new fans.

However. It kills that "we're a real rock band" credibility that they've been claiming to have for so long. There's nothing really Rock'n Roll about the whole thing. But the fans don't care about that. I'm sure their fans will be excited to see the whole process documented as they sip their Dr. Pepper.

The reasons I would not participate in something like this are...

1. The emphasis is taken off of the music itself and given to the situation; the glass walls, the cameras, the corporate sponsors, the drama. It all seems so distracting.

2. There's a certain mystique about the recording process. Most studios are very cave-like. Sometimes you don't see the sun for days. You emerse yourself in this project and no one knows what happens, and when you emerge, you have this peice of art. People appreciate the sound or the songs, and the musicians try to dissect it or figure out how it was done. It seems like that mystique is lost when everything is under this microscope. It becomes more of a spectacle.

3. A record is very personal. I make records for 2 reasons. The first reason is selfish. I make records because I love the process. The second is unselfish. I appreciate the people who want to hear my music and I want to give them more music to enjoy. When I look back on my recording experiences, I remember the excitement of recording our first record. I remember the nerves we had with our second record, trying to make something that all of our fans would love. I remember the confidence we had making out third record and feeling like we were on top of our game. I hate the fact that the cartel guys will look back in 20 years on their second album as something that they did for Dr. Pepper, rather than something that they made for themselves or their fans. It seems so cheap.

Anyway. Hopefully those guys don't take offense to what I'm saying. I really am happy for them and hope that they can crank out a record that they're proud of despite all the hype and cameras.

Wow, that sure puts things in perspective. Since I'm not a Cartel fan, I don't really care whether they record in a bubble, a submarine, or an old abandoned mine shaft, but I hope that this stunt doesn't somehow set a precedence for alternative rock music. It would be really sad if it became the norm for bands to whore out their music to this level, which is why I'm pleasantly surprised at the backlash. Just think, if Cartel's album became a success because of this kind of promotion, every greedy label and soulless band on the planet is going to be scrambling to be the next band to record in space, or let fans write the lyrics, or let monkeys engineer the drums. So, sink Cartel, sink. Sink hard and fast. And when you hit the bottom, I hope you write a book about how selling out ruined your lives, and how fans aren't as stupid as you thought, and how your integrity is more important than any gold album or soundscan number.

[jhennis]

not worth it

[Nolessthanblink]

depends on how you think about the situation. I for one, think this bubble thing is cool and support the bands decision. I dont think you can call a buncha dudes who love what they do, have written some great jams (so your expectations will be fulfilled), and are gonna get PAID "douchefucks."

They didnt sell out, they BOUGHT IN. Thats how it goes these days. I think its kinda smart.

What if the starting line did it????? would you all be railing them too??

To this day though, Jason, you still have not come out with a clear and concise reason and/or explanation for why you dont like it. Rather its been a barrage of critisism on other peoples opinions, and replying to quotes. People repeatedly have asked for your opinion, but I am sure it will be in the first paragraph of your reviews, in which you often set the stage before talking about the record

Hey, don't get me wrong, I love Cartel.

However, if TSL did the same thing, I'd flame them just as bad. I LOVE The Starting Line and I'd be disappointed in any band that would make SUCH a huge spectacle about it. First off, living in a bubble is pretty fucking weird. But then my gf was watching it the show the other day and she used to love NSYNC back in the day. And she said it was pretty much like a new NSYNC. Fans bringing them underwear since one of them likes to run around in his undies, giving other gifts like that... She said she half expected them to pull a "hi, we're will, kevin, etc etc etc... and we're Cartel!" like NSYNC used to. And it makes me a little upset that a band that actually had some respect for their music in this "scene" are losing their credibility by being puppets on a string. That's all. Sorry if that didnt make any sense. Too lazy to proof read.

[fredrico0012]

They obviously need to see my harmonica skills

oqWwHNQfLfE

[Adrian Villagomez]

They obviously need to see my harmonica skills

oqWwHNQfLfE'Here we come!'

:rotfl:

That is not you.

[sean omerta]

I'm amazed Jason somehow replied to everything ATL said.

I couldn't manage to get past the first sentence as I find it impossible to read the damn 1 paragraph monstrosity.

My thoughts exactly.... impressive effort.

[konstantine94]

Unfortunately for both of these bands, neither of them will be on the fall cartel tour. (Heard NA will be on the TSL tour...go figure!!!) Look for some bands to be announced soon.

I'm excited to see them again! They usually tour with some pretty good bands.

[Ghostpsalm]

this argument is amazing!

i didn't think jason tate would reply to everything. i'm likin it

[Adrian Villagomez]

this argument is amazing!

i didn't think jason tate would reply to everything. i'm likin itHang around the site and you'll see much more of the same.

[Jason Tate]

depends on how you think about the situation.

And it depends on your critical thinking skills.

I for one, think this bubble thing is cool and support the bands decision.

But you're also a massive fan-boy that's unable to see past that. I'm a fan boy that's still capable of seeing a stupid act as a stupid act. Objectively.

I dont think you can call a buncha dudes who love what they do, have written some great jams (so your expectations will be fulfilled), and are gonna get PAID "douchefucks."

I think you easily can because of how, their attitudes, and so forth.

They didnt sell out, they BOUGHT IN.

Wow, did you really just say that? Hahahaahaha.

Thats how it goes these days.

Doesn't have to be - the choice was theirs. But hey - 3 million large speaks volumes.

I think its kinda smart.

You're one of the only ones.

What if the starting line did it????? would you all be railing them too??.

Of course. It's the idea that's horrible - not the band (to me, I'm not speaking about those that hate Cartel and pop music from the get go).

To this day though, Jason, you still have not come out with a clear and concise reason and/or explanation for why you dont like it.

I have done so by answering everyone that's asked - as well as posting at least three different times exact reasons for why I don't like it. You simply haven't seen these posts -- doesn't mean I didn't make them.

Rather its been a barrage of critisism on other peoples opinions,

I don't think you know what an opinion is.

and replying to quotes.

This is a forum after all.

People repeatedly have asked for your opinion,

And I've repeatedly given it. Want it again? Here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/journal.php?do=showentry&e=17123). I'll go all Herman Melville for you.

but I am sure it will be in the first paragraph of your reviews, in which you often set the stage before talking about the record

I already have the first line of my review ... "This album review is brought to you by Dr. Pepper, MTV, and Walmart..."

[Jason Tate]

this is what aaron marsh (lead singer of copeland) had to say about the whole situation....

Let me preface my statement with this. I have no problems with the cartel dudes. I consider Will and Joseph to be very good friends and I would hate for them to take this as anything negative against them personally. I'm only speaking on the situation. I actually have a good amount of respect for Will as a vocalist and a writer and I hold Joseph in very high reguard as a musician and friend. He's also one of the sharpest guys I know.

That being said, I have mixed feelings about the situation. I think it will be good for their career in terms of numbers. I think they'll make lots of new fans.

However. It kills that "we're a real rock band" credibility that they've been claiming to have for so long. There's nothing really Rock'n Roll about the whole thing. But the fans don't care about that. I'm sure their fans will be excited to see the whole process documented as they sip their Dr. Pepper.

The reasons I would not participate in something like this are...

1. The emphasis is taken off of the music itself and given to the situation; the glass walls, the cameras, the corporate sponsors, the drama. It all seems so distracting.

2. There's a certain mystique about the recording process. Most studios are very cave-like. Sometimes you don't see the sun for days. You emerse yourself in this project and no one knows what happens, and when you emerge, you have this peice of art. People appreciate the sound or the songs, and the musicians try to dissect it or figure out how it was done. It seems like that mystique is lost when everything is under this microscope. It becomes more of a spectacle.

3. A record is very personal. I make records for 2 reasons. The first reason is selfish. I make records because I love the process. The second is unselfish. I appreciate the people who want to hear my music and I want to give them more music to enjoy. When I look back on my recording experiences, I remember the excitement of recording our first record. I remember the nerves we had with our second record, trying to make something that all of our fans would love. I remember the confidence we had making out third record and feeling like we were on top of our game. I hate the fact that the cartel guys will look back in 20 years on their second album as something that they did for Dr. Pepper, rather than something that they made for themselves or their fans. It seems so cheap.

Anyway. Hopefully those guys don't take offense to what I'm saying. I really am happy for them and hope that they can crank out a record that they're proud of despite all the hype and cameras.
Thank you for posting this -- I've had a few conversations (off the record) with other bands and they too have expressed similar sentiments.

[Jason Tate]

I totally just realized who this kid is, and I think he has a gooood idea about what its going to sound like.
I'm pretty sure I know who it is too -- which makes the post that much more entertaining to me.

[asmolitor]

am i the only that's just excited for a new cartel album, regardless of the circumstances?

[Ghostpsalm]

Hang around the site and you'll see much more of the same.

I KNOW!

i looked around some of the older threads in the forum... man! amazing!

[Adrian Villagomez]

I KNOW!

i looked around some of the older threads in the forum... man! amazing!Haha, that comes after years of practice involving online arguments. It's like a refined skill.

[TheBaroness]

The minute you put a price on your credibility and dignity it's all over...

[dead&broken]

They should get that kid from America's got talent. I think they were called the Millers.

[LTJ182]

I'm pretty sure I know who it is too -- which makes the post that much more entertaining to me.

whats going to be funny is when they REAL opinions start flying.

It could be one of many.

[LTJ182]

But you're also a massive fan-boy that's unable to see past that. I'm a fan boy that's still capable of seeing a stupid act as a stupid act. Objectively.


Its a band and their support staffs (management, label, etc) decision. I think that support is a great team and they know what their doing(whether you believe that or not).

At the end of the day, they call the shots and you run a music gossip page.

I back that, "massive-fan boy" or not. I would still go to the wall for this band. Thats something that will never change.

[solargrrl]

Hey, don't get me wrong, I love Cartel.

However, if TSL did the same thing, I'd flame them just as bad. I LOVE The Starting Line and I'd be disappointed in any band that would make SUCH a huge spectacle about it.


We'd never have to worry about TSL doing this. If for no other reason they have great people around them that help them make the right decisions.

[fredrico0012]

'Here we come!'

:rotfl:

That is not you.

Actually it is, my and my friends make videos where we do stuff like thiss at druve thrus.

[Jason Tate]

Its a band and their support staffs (management, label, etc) decision. I think that support is a great team and they know what their doing(whether you believe that or not).

Except the facts that get in the way. But it's always good when someone admits that the band themselves don't really have the final say.

At the end of the day, they call the shots and you run a music gossip page.

And yet this music gossip website is still bigger than what they've spent millions on. That's hilarious.

I back that, "massive-fan boy" or not. I would still go to the wall for this band. Thats something that will never change.

I know - that was my point.

Now, if you ever feel like actually discussing my entire posts instead of the lines you think you can get a quick one liner in about ... this could get interesting.

[Jason Tate]

whats going to be funny is when they REAL opinions start flying.

It could be one of many.
No, what's going to be funny is when this band's career implodes.

[LTJ182]

Except the facts that get in the way. But it's always good when someone admits that the band themselves don't really have the final say.



And yet this music gossip website is still bigger than what they've spent millions on. That's hilarious.



you only go after one liners, so to each their own

my line said band AND support... so yes they do have final say. Stop trying to twist things to what they are not. Its getting old.

This site has been around for how many years? The bubble one has been around like like a week???
come on now...thats an ignorant statement. We all now it takes a bit more than few bucks to make something happen. Look at Perez Hilton. That site is FINALLY taking off. Hence what I compare this to, in a Hollywood sense.

[Jason Tate]

you only go after one liners, so to each their own

No ... really I don't. I respond to basically everything - but I'd rather have content filled post to respond to instead of your one line that rarely makes any sense.

my line said band AND support... so yes they do have final say. Stop trying to twist things to what they are not. Its getting old.

I'm trying to find out what the fuck you're saying - you've changed this position countless times. So ... the band has final say - but it's the label's decision - and DR. Pepper is pushing certain things on them ... which one is it?! It can't be all of them.

This site has been around for how many years?

A whole lot less than Dr. Pepper.

The bubble one has been around like like a week???

And has 20 million dollars behind it - and has MTV behind it - and has WALMART behind it. Yet ... they can't buy interest in this POS project.

come on now...thats an ignorant statement.

Only to someone (you) that doesn't want to come to terms with reality.

We all now it takes a bit more than few bucks to make something happen.

Exactly - it takes a worthwhile product and idea -- that's my whole fucking point. That even with the money - this idea is so fucking stupid that NO ONE FUCKING CARES.

Look at Perez Hilton. That site is FINALLY taking off.

Actually the site has been losing traffic over the past 3 months. And started gaining traffic in mid 2005 --- peaking in traffic last year.

It's so inconvenient when the facts don't mesh with your words.

Hence what I compare this to, in a Hollywood sense.

Hahahahahahaha, and you call the band your friends? You just called their idea the equivalent of a trashy online tabloid who continually breaks the law. Well done. Hahahahahahaha.

I'd say that's a fair comparison - both are proving to be worthless to society. The difference is people care about and visit one of these things ... and laugh at the other. One gimmick works (for the time being) the other will never get off the ground. Nice analogy.

[LTJ182]

Hahahahahahaha, and you call the band your friends? You just called their idea the equivalent of a trashy online tabloid who continually breaks the law. Well done. Hahahahahahaha.

I'd say that's a fair comparison - both are proving to be worthless to society. The difference is people care about and visit one of these things ... and laugh at the other. One gimmick works (for the time being) the other will never get off the ground. Nice analogy.

AP vs Perez. Not the show dude, not the show...... "well done" on trying to twist things, AGAIN.

[solargrrl]

No, what's going to be funny is when this band's career implodes.

Implodes infers they actually had one in the first place, by most standards.

[Ghostpsalm]

Haha, that comes after years of practice involving online arguments. It's like a refined skill.

and it's amazing free entertainment

:thumbup:

[Jason Tate]

AP vs Perez. Not the show dude, not the show...... "well done" on trying to twist things, AGAIN.
You honestly have no idea how to use the English language than do you?

[Jason Tate]

Implodes infers they actually had one in the first place, by most standards.
Understandable -- I'm taking the more "lenient" route and assuming they have/had one.

[LTJ182]

You honestly have no idea how to use the English language than do you?

I could honestly give a flying fuck how I type/write on here... I type and hit enter. In dont re-read because I JUST DONT CARE.