LeBron James...

[awfulwaffle]

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[soundofthebrown]

ouch.

[myplasticyou]

hahaha.

[StuGrimson]

I dont think many people actually witnessed it though

[sayyes]

worst finals I've ever seen

[FondestMemory]

remember the last two years when the wizards lost in the first round?

[Jason Tate]

I dont think many people actually witnessed it though
:-D

[Jared Kaufman]

remember the last two years when the wizards lost in the first round?
The Wizards would've gone so much further if Arenas didn't get hurt.

[xbrokendownx]

ohhhhh because, his slogan is witness, and they got swept, i see what you did there...


hes still better than gilbert

[StandMyBrothers]

I didn't watch one game, watch the espn highlights though....anyways we are all witnesses to Gilbert Arenas being a free agent next season

[Jared Kaufman]

ohhhhh because, his slogan is witness, and they got swept, i see what you did there...


hes still better than gilbert
Um, negative. Gilbert is far more valuable, at this point and time, to the Wizards than Lebron is to the Cavs. I'm sure many will argue against this, but I think Arenas has more than proved he can win games in the final stretch and make things happen at the end of ball games when it matters so his team can pull out the win. James has proved the exact opposite; he is severely overrated.

[Drew Beringer]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/Drew51/UMAD.jpg

[Jared Kaufman]

I didn't watch one game, watch the espn highlights though....anyways we are all witnesses to Gilbert Arenas being a free agent next season
The Wizards better do everything within their power to keep him and give him the money he deserves.

[Drew Beringer]

Regardless, SA would have swept any team in the East.

[Drew Beringer]

The Wizards better do everything within their power to keep him and give him the money he deserves.
I hope he signs with the Lakers.

[xbrokendownx]

Um, negative. Gilbert is far more valuable, at this point and time, to the Wizards than Lebron is to the Cavs. I'm sure many will argue against this, but I think Arenas has more than proved he can win games in the final stretch and make things happen at the end of ball games when it matters so his team can pull out the win. James has proved the exact opposite; he is severely overrated.






nah i actually like arenas a lot, but this guy is his biggest fanboy and i cant stand him



and if you think lebron isnt as valuable to his team as arenas is to his, you must be smoking something....

give lebron antawn jamison and caron butler and they wouldve won the title this year

[Drew Beringer]

Jared, without Lebron, the Cavs don't make the playoffs. The Wizards still have Butler and Jamison, two legit All-Stars.

[LeftWideOpen]

Um, negative. Gilbert is far more valuable, at this point and time, to the Wizards than Lebron is to the Cavs. I'm sure many will argue against this, but I think Arenas has more than proved he can win games in the final stretch and make things happen at the end of ball games when it matters so his team can pull out the win. James has proved the exact opposite; he is severely overrated.

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I am not a Cavs fan, so I'm not going to bother getting into a drawn out argument about this ..but I'll just ask this: Did you watch Game 5 of the Eastern Conference Finals?

[iihungrieii]

I hope he signs with the Lakers.

ill take him. arenas, kobe, artest, JO, camby. no need for a bench

[Jared Kaufman]

Regardless, SA would have swept any team in the East.
I don't think they would've swept the Pistons or a Wizards team with Arenas. Yes, they'd win it all, but I think those teams would've at least taken a game or two.

And it still pisses me off the Spurs even made it to the Finals since they shouldn't have even been there in the first place. Hopefully the Suns bounce back and make it next season.

[Drew Beringer]

ill take him. arenas, kobe, artest, JO, camby. no need for a bench
hhahaha I love your posts.

[FondestMemory]

Um, negative. Gilbert is far more valuable, at this point and time, to the Wizards than Lebron is to the Cavs. I'm sure many will argue against this, but I think Arenas has more than proved he can win games in the final stretch and make things happen at the end of ball games when it matters so his team can pull out the win. James has proved the exact opposite; he is severely overrated.

haha. gilbert will never ever sniff the finals. any team with him on it will be lucky to even make the conference finals.

whereas, lebron basicallly just single handedly took his team to the finals.

to say gilbert's more valuable to the wizards than lebron is to the cavs is absolutely ridiculous. put lebron with two players like butler and jamison and they'll win a handful of titles in a row. take lebron off the cavs, they don't even go .500. fuck, put gilbert on the cavs and they don't even go .500.

and how's james proved the opposite of making things happen at the end of games? was it scoring 29 of his team's last 30 points in the fourth quarter and overtime in a critical game in the conference finals? or hitting two game winners against the wizards in last year's first round? or dominating the fourth quarter in the clinching game against the nets to get the cavs into the east finals? he takes over fourth quarters all the time. and a lot of times, he doesn't even have to score a lot to do so.

[Drew Beringer]

I don't think they would've swept the Pistons or a Wizards team with Arenas. Yes, they'd win it all, but I think those teams would've at least taken a game or two.

And it still pisses me off the Spurs even made it to the Finals since they shouldn't have even been there in the first place. Hopefully the Suns bounce back and make it next season.
The SA defense would shut down Arenas.

[Jared Kaufman]

I hope he signs with the Lakers.
Ugh, disgusting, Drew.

I hate the Lakers, and Kobe, as much as the Dallas Cowboys and New York Yankees.

[iihungrieii]

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I am not a Cavs fan, so I'm not going to bother getting into a drawn out argument about this ..but I'll just ask this: Did you watch Game 5 of the Eastern Conference Finals?

i did. but id still rather have kobe over lebron, even with that game 5 performance

[xbrokendownx]

were not even talking about kobe! not everything has to do with the lakers

[FondestMemory]

but they have bynum!!!

[Jared Kaufman]

nah i actually like arenas a lot, but this guy is his biggest fanboy and i cant stand him



and if you think lebron isnt as valuable to his team as arenas is to his, you must be smoking something....

give lebron antawn jamison and caron butler and they wouldve won the title this year
Oh, I know he's valuable, but just not as much, in my opinion, as Arenas to the Wizards (as I said, at this point and time).

[LeftWideOpen]

i did. but id still rather have kobe over lebron, even with that game 5 performance

i wasnt referring to your post ..theres definitely a case for Kobe being able to take over a game like Lebron. Gilbert Arenas .. thats what makes me laugh.

[iihungrieii]

hahaha okay. just want you guys to remember that kobe is still better than lbj

[Jared Kaufman]

Jared, without Lebron, the Cavs don't make the playoffs. The Wizards still have Butler and Jamison, two legit All-Stars.
It's not that hard to get into the Playoffs if you're in the East, so that's not what I meant. I was refering to who's more consistant more so than anything.

[LeftWideOpen]

hahaha okay. just want you guys to remember that kobe is still better than lbj

i dont even know if i think lebron is better, but statements like this just make me want to argue with you.

i'm resisting the urge though .. i'm making a margarita instead.

[xbrokendownx]

no homo

[iihungrieii]

but they have bynum!!!

i dont think im gonna be able to say that much longer

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[xbrokendownx]

ill give you jamal crawford for bynum

[LeftWideOpen]

no homo

a margarita is homo?

whats gay about a bunch of tequilla over ice w/ salt and some mix? if getting drunk is gay, then call me neil patrick harris.

[xbrokendownx]

haha idk ive just always thought of margaritas as girl drinks

but whatever, sometimes the fruity drinks are awesome


no homo

[Jared Kaufman]

haha. gilbert will never ever sniff the finals. any team with him on it will be lucky to even make the conference finals.

whereas, lebron basicallly just single handedly took his team to the finals.

to say gilbert's more valuable to the wizards than lebron is to the cavs is absolutely ridiculous. put lebron with two players like butler and jamison and they'll win a handful of titles in a row. take lebron off the cavs, they don't even go .500. fuck, put gilbert on the cavs and they don't even go .500.

and how's james proved the opposite of making things happen at the end of games? was it scoring 29 of his team's last 30 points in the fourth quarter and overtime in a critical game in the conference finals? or hitting two game winners against the wizards in last year's first round? or dominating the fourth quarter in the clinching game against the nets to get the cavs into the east finals? he takes over fourth quarters all the time. and a lot of times, he doesn't even have to score a lot to do so.
Yes, those were all remarkable and he deserves props for it, but there are also numerous occasions, especially this season, where he had the chance to win a game (usually via a buzzer beater) and he dropped the ball (figuratively) and made poor decisions.

[Jared Kaufman]

a margarita is homo?

whats gay about a bunch of tequilla over ice w/ salt and some mix? if getting drunk is gay, then call me neil patrick harris.
hahahahaha

[LeftWideOpen]

haha idk ive just always thought of margaritas as girl drinks

but whatever, sometimes the fruity drinks are awesome


no homo

are you talking about like frozen margaritas? cause those are pretty much out of the closet, ellen degeneres gay.

i'm talking about tequilla, salt, ice and sweet & sour mix. its really good when you substitue sweet and sour w/ lime juice and add triple sec, but thats more expensive.

[bigmike]

Um, negative. Gilbert is far more valuable, at this point and time, to the Wizards than Lebron is to the Cavs. I'm sure many will argue against this, but I think Arenas has more than proved he can win games in the final stretch and make things happen at the end of ball games when it matters so his team can pull out the win. James has proved the exact opposite; he is severely overrated.
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[FondestMemory]

Yes, those were all remarkable and he deserves props for it, but there are also numerous occasions, especially this season, where he had the chance to win a game (usually via a buzzer beater) and he dropped the ball (figuratively) and made poor decisions.

and there were also numerous occasions where he won the games with a shot or made a nice pass to set up the game winner.

not everybody hits every attempt at a game winner. gilbert blew some end of game chances this season as well. lebron's just get blown way out of proportion. especially because if he passes to a wide open shooter instead of forcing up a shot through a triple team, people want to call that poor decision making.

i'm not knocking gilbert. i'd just rather take somebody who actually plays defense, keeps his mouth shut, rebounds, does an excellent job running the offense and can still put up 30 any given night. lebron does all that. the only thing i give arenas is that his jump shot is much better.

[leftstranded]

It's not that hard to get into the Playoffs if you're in the East, so that's not what I meant. I was refering to who's more consistant more so than anything.
don't get me wrong because i like gilbert as well. but i've seen him fuck up as many games this season as lebron did in the finals.

and lebron proved that he can do what it takes to beat the wizards with arenas last year in the first round. nothing against gilbert but i feel that he has a lot better supporting cast than lebron does

[FondestMemory]

are you talking about like frozen margaritas? cause those are pretty much out of the closet, ellen degeneres gay.

i'm talking about tequilla, salt, ice and sweet & sour mix. its really good when you substitue sweet and sour w/ lime juice and add triple sec, but thats more expensive.

fuck. triple sec. that's the ingredient i couldn't remember in that swedish fish drink.

black haus, chambord, triple sec, cranberry and lemon.

that was fucking bothering me forever.

[xbrokendownx]

are you talking about like frozen margaritas? cause those are pretty much out of the closet, ellen degeneres gay.

i'm talking about tequilla, salt, ice and sweet & sour mix. its really good when you substitue sweet and sour w/ lime juice and add triple sec, but thats more expensive.





haha yea when i think of a margarita i think of frozen..i think its because thats how they come at the restaurant i work at

[Jared Kaufman]

and there were also numerous occasions where he won the games with a shot or made a nice pass to set up the game winner.

not everybody hits every attempt at a game winner. gilbert blew some end of game chances this season as well. lebron's just get blown way out of proportion. especially because if he passes to a wide open shooter instead of forcing up a shot through a triple team, people want to call that poor decision making.

i'm not knocking gilbert. i'd just rather take somebody who actually plays defense, keeps his mouth shut, rebounds, does an excellent job running the offense and can still put up 30 any given night. lebron does all that. the only thing i give arenas is that his jump shot is much better.
Well, as long as you respect who has the better jumpshot, haha. I see what you're saying, and don't get me wrong, I think Lebron is a very important player and is vital to his team, but before I'd start calling him truly great I think he needs to prove more, which will probably happen within the next year or two. I just get tired of hearing people call him the new MJ (who actually did win titles on his own and made the people around him better) when he hasn't really done jack.

[Jared Kaufman]

don't get me wrong because i like gilbert as well. but i've seen him fuck up as many games this season as lebron did in the finals.

and lebron proved that he can do what it takes to beat the wizards with arenas last year in the first round. nothing against gilbert but i feel that he has a lot better supporting cast than lebron does
Fair enough.

I honestly think it would've been a different story this year if Arenas had been healthy just because I think the Wizards were more well-rounded and playing better this season than last.

[FondestMemory]

Well, as long as you respect who has the better jumpshot, haha. I see what you're saying, and don't get me wrong, I think Lebron is a very important player and is vital to his team, but before I'd start calling him truly great I think he needs to prove more, which will probably happen within the next year or two. I just get tired of hearing people call him the new MJ (who actually did win titles on his own and made the people around him better) when he hasn't really done jack.

oh, i hate hearing him compared to mj as well. his game really isn't anything like mj's.

all those comparisons do is make people expect lebron to drop 30-35 points every game, and that's not his game at all. he's just as effective scoring 22 and having 12 assists than somebody scoring 35 points with two assists.

if anything, his style is more magic johnson or oscar robertson. but, there's still quite a bit that has to happen before i'm ready to start comparing him to magic and the big o.

[leftstranded]

Fair enough.

I honestly think it would've been a different story this year if Arenas had been healthy just because I think the Wizards were more well-rounded and playing better this season than last.
i do agree. they were better than last season. i personally would have wanted to play the wizards at full strength, makes for a better game

should be an interesting season next season though. i don't see detroit being as dominent as they use to be.

[awfulwaffle]

Fair enough.

I honestly think it would've been a different story this year if Arenas had been healthy just because I think the Wizards were more well-rounded and playing better this season than last.

not to mention arenas dominated one game and we won by 20 and played poorly in the other yet had like 13 assists and we lost by 2

[awfulwaffle]

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I am not a Cavs fan, so I'm not going to bother getting into a drawn out argument about this ..but I'll just ask this: Did you watch Game 5 of the Eastern Conference Finals?

did you watch antonio mcdyess get ejected? did you watch lebron do absolutely nothing in game 6?

[allisterkid]

Um, negative. Gilbert is far more valuable, at this point and time, to the Wizards than Lebron is to the Cavs. I'm sure many will argue against this, but I think Arenas has more than proved he can win games in the final stretch and make things happen at the end of ball games when it matters so his team can pull out the win. James has proved the exact opposite; he is severely overrated.

Wow... I like you as a staff member, former reviewer, etc... but seriously, hahahahahahaha.

Gilbert more valuable to the Wiz than Bron is to the Cavs??? Wrong.

[xbrokendownx]

so the pistons lost game 5 because a role player got ejected?

and last time i checked, the Cavs WON game 6 so who cares what lebron did.

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[awfulwaffle]

so the pistons lost game 5 because a role player got ejected?

and last time i checked, the Cavs WON game 6 so who cares what lebron did.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j179/devilelias26/BooThisMan.gif

actually if you knew anything about basketball, youd know after mcdyess got ejected that the pistons had no more interior presence allowing lebron to drive to the hoop at will to put up the 25 points

[xbrokendownx]

yea, youre right...i know nothing about basketball

the ejection of a ROLE PLAYER is why LeBron James was able to dominate the Pistons. duh, im an idiot

[Drew Beringer]

actually if you knew anything about basketball, youd know after mcdyess got ejected that the pistons had no more interior presence allowing lebron to drive to the hoop at will to put up the 25 points
Wait, Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince add no interior presence for the Pistons?

[allisterkid]

Permban awfulwaffle.

[awfulwaffle]

Wait, Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince add no interior presence for the Pistons?


are you serious with that? tayshaun prince guarding lebron james? lebron has probably about 50 pounds on each of them. mcdyess gives some bulk in the middle

[xbrokendownx]

LeBron has 50 lbs on a dude thats 7' tall? keep dreaming

[Drew Beringer]

are you serious with that? tayshaun prince guarding lebron james? lebron has probably about 50 pounds on each of them. mcdyess gives some bulk in the middle
Lebron doesn't have 50 pounds on Rasheed Wallace.

[awfulwaffle]

LeBron has 50 lbs on a dude thats 7' tall? keep dreaming

look at lebron james and look at sheed, tell me who is going to bully who. lebron is 250lbs of pure muscle

[Drew Beringer]

look at lebron james and look at sheed, tell me who is going to bully who. lebron is 250lbs of pure muscle
Lebron would bully McDyess too.

[awfulwaffle]

Lebron would bully McDyess too.

why did lebron explode right after mcdyess was ejected then?

[allisterkid]

why did lebron explode right after mcdyess was ejected then?

He was happy?

You're the worst sports analyst in the history of sports.

[Drew Beringer]

why did lebron explode right after mcdyess was ejected then?
Didn't McDyess get ejected early in the game?

[RememberFminus2]

anyone who claims arenas is more valuable to his team than lebron must be on fucking crack.

[fire on my lips]

He was happy?

You're the worst sports analyst in the history of sports.

he'd work for espn if he was

[fire on my lips]

Didn't McDyess get ejected early in the game?

i'm pretty sure it was the end of the third quarter or the beginning of the fourth. It seemed early, since the game wouldn't end.

[allisterkid]

anyone who claims arenas is more valuable to his team than lebron must be on fucking crack.

Ha! I know! You might as well say that Tony Romo isn't going to be the best quarterback in the NFL next year if you're gonna say GA is more valuable to the Wiz than Lebron to the Cavs.

[landozma]

romo will be a top 10 QB
/cowboys fan

i think if you switched lebron and arenas, the wizards could have made the eastern finals

[xbrokendownx]

romo will be a top 10 QB
/cowboys fan

i think if you switched lebron and arenas, the wizards could have made the eastern finals






no chance in hell

[Drew Beringer]

i'm pretty sure it was the end of the third quarter or the beginning of the fourth. It seemed early, since the game wouldn't end.
I can't remember, that's why I asked.

[xbrokendownx]

McDyess was tossed at the end of the 1st quarter

[Split2nd]

Who the hell is Jared Kaufman?

[bigmike]

Wait, Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince add no interior presence for the Pistons?
Or, you know, Jason Maxiell.
are you serious with that? tayshaun prince guarding lebron james? lebron has probably about 50 pounds on each of them. mcdyess gives some bulk in the middle
LeBron is listed at 240 lbs on nba.com.

Jason Maxiell is 260.
Antonio McDyess is 245.
Rasheed is 230 + 3-4 inches taller then Lebron.

But you're right, he has 50 pounds of bulk on them.

Oh, and Antonio McDyess played 4:23 in Game 5 and was ejected in the 1st quarter.

[Drew Beringer]

Or, you know, Jason Maxiell.

LeBron is listed at 240 lbs on nba.com.

Jason Maxiell is 260.
Antonio McDyess is 245.
Rasheed is 230 + 3-4 inches taller then Lebron.

But you're right, he has 50 pounds of bulk on them.

Oh, and Antonio McDyess played 4:23 in Game 5 and was ejected in the 1st quarter.
Damn, I thought Sheed weighed more than that.

[fire on my lips]

McDyess was tossed at the end of the 1st quarter

my apologies. Has science found a way for my memory to get improve to counteract my drinking and smoking?

[bigmike]

You were probably thinking of Sheed who picked up his 5th foul and then got T'd up and ejected at the end of the 3rd quarter of the clinching game.

[FondestMemory]

did you watch antonio mcdyess get ejected? did you watch lebron do absolutely nothing in game 6?

20 pts, 14 reb, 8 ast, 2 blks and 2 stls is absolutely nothing?

you seriously are by far the least intelligent person i've ever seen post. you say absolutely nothing of substance ever.

[kbauer]

Im sure someone has said this already but hes not there yet. Didnt think he would get to the finals this soon and if had a little more help around him, Cleveland may had made it a series but hes not close to the Jordan point yet, may not ever be, and I dont think hes reached his own potential yet.

Hes one of the best players in the game right now but its a weak league, there needs to be more of a maturation process, a process I thought for a little bit came in game 5 but that was just a flash of things to come. It was also through an extremely soft, timid defense with an imcompedant coach. He was already smart enough to catch the Pistons in transition though. His ability to see the floor like that and exploit a defense so soon says a lot.

[Rock]

I don't think they would've swept the Pistons or a Wizards team with Arenas. Yes, they'd win it all, but I think those teams would've at least taken a game or two.

And it still pisses me off the Spurs even made it to the Finals since they shouldn't have even been there in the first place. Hopefully the Suns bounce back and make it next season.
i agree with all of the points you just made. robert horry is a little bitch.