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FOBcareemo

03/10/07, 06:12 PM

Ain't it cool news posted it recently take a look

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31814

looks good to me

fluke182

03/10/07, 06:49 PM

Ain't it cool news posted it recently take a look

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31814

looks good to me
Should be good. Hopefully Snyder doesn't put a love story into Watchmen also, if he doesn't it should be great. I love me some Watchmen.

JIMMYateEARTH

03/10/07, 08:49 PM

Should be good. Hopefully Snyder doesn't put a love story into Watchmen also, if he doesn't it should be great. I love me some Watchmen.

The love story was well done in 300, it wouldn't have been a very good movie with out it. However the comic didn't need such things.

I'm very excited for a watch men movie

JIMMYateEARTH

03/10/07, 08:56 PM

Should be good. Hopefully Snyder doesn't put a love story into Watchmen also, if he doesn't it should be great. I love me some Watchmen.

Arn't there like 3 love storys in WAtchmen to begin with.

AEast317

03/11/07, 12:37 AM

did you steal this from my post in the wednesday thread?

:hockey:

jp its all good.

if this guy fucks this movie up, im sure there are people who would kill him for it.

niveK

03/11/07, 06:33 AM

if this guy fucks this movie up, im sure there are people who would kill him for it.

Right here
:: points to self ::

Watchmen is the second greatest thing I have ever read (HHG2G is 1st).
TAKE THAT THE BIBLE!

/Your avatar is amazing, is it from anything specific?

fluke182

03/11/07, 11:27 AM

The love story was well done in 300, it wouldn't have been a very good movie with out it. However the comic didn't need such things.

I'm very excited for a watch men movie
Man! We really disagree on this. I think this is like the second time we've ever disagreed and we disagree incredibly on this point. But no less, we can both agree Watchmen should be badass.
Right here
:: points to self ::

Watchmen is the second greatest thing I have ever read (HHG2G is 1st).
TAKE THAT THE BIBLE!

/Your avatar is amazing, is it from anything specific?
Hitchhikers is so awesome. Read more comics/graphic novels! There are many of similar quality to Watchmen. Well maybe not many, but there are many that are extremely good!
Arn't there like 3 love storys in WAtchmen to begin with.
Sadly enough I really don't remember. I need to reread it.

JIMMYateEARTH

03/11/07, 11:35 AM

Man! We really disagree on this. I think this is like the second time we've ever disagreed and we disagree incredibly on this point. But no less, we can both agree Watchmen should be badass.

Sadly enough I really don't remember. I need to reread it.

I don't disagreing with you. It hurts me.

But Yeah Watchmen had lots of Love storys. Yeah you have the Dr. Manhattan, Miss Jupiter and Owl love triangle. Also the hidden love that was between the Comedian and Jupiters mom.

I love the Watchmen. I want to read it again.

WarpSpeedChewy

03/11/07, 11:46 AM

I don't disagreing with you. It hurts me.

Also the hidden love that was between the Comedian and Jupiters mom.
You mean the rape if I remember correctly ?

Well 300 made 70 million this weekend which mean that theres a good chance of Watchmen getting a bigger budger and going straight into development faster.

gonz

03/11/07, 12:13 PM

I just ordered Watchmen from the library. I'm pretty excited. It'll be like the first graphic novel I've read hah

gonz

03/11/07, 12:15 PM

Damn, I didn't know the library had so many graphic novels. I just ordered V and 300 too. Anyone wanna rec me some other must-reads?

JIMMYateEARTH

03/11/07, 01:03 PM

You mean the rape if I remember correctly ?

Well 300 made 70 million this weekend which mean that theres a good chance of Watchmen getting a bigger budger and going straight into development faster.

You don't remember correctly, you most have only read the obvious story in Watchmen and no the subtle one told only in the Art. The Comedian was really Miss Jupiters dad, and her mom secretly loved him. You can figure it out if you read it, but the art conveys the story the best.

JIMMYateEARTH

03/11/07, 01:12 PM

Damn, I didn't know the library had so many graphic novels. I just ordered V and 300 too. Anyone wanna rec me some other must-reads?

Earth X, Universe x vol. 1 & 2, Paradise X vol. 1 & 2 ( all deal with the end of the Marvel Universe, it's really cool)

Kingdom Come ( the end of the DC universe)

The Dark Knight Returns.

Those are some of the best in my mind.

gonz

03/11/07, 01:31 PM

Earth X, Universe x vol. 1 & 2, Paradise X vol. 1 & 2 ( all deal with the end of the Marvel Universe, it's really cool)

Kingdom Come ( the end of the DC universe)

The Dark Knight Returns.

Those are some of the best in my mind.
Cool, thanks. The library had all of them but Earth X in the database.

JIMMYateEARTH

03/11/07, 01:39 PM

Cool, thanks. The library had all of them but Earth X in the database.

Your welcome.

Earth X is the first story of the X's. I don't know how much sence the other's will make with out reading it.

gonz

03/11/07, 01:41 PM

Your welcome.

Earth X is the first story of the X's. I don't know how much sence the other's will make with out reading it.
I'll just wikipedia it if I'm confused

IAPAI

03/11/07, 01:42 PM

would someone mind telling me what Watchmen is about, exactly?

EndlessMike

03/11/07, 01:50 PM

Looks cool. I really want to find out the cast list before I start getting too excited about this movie.

JIMMYateEARTH

03/11/07, 01:53 PM

would someone mind telling me what Watchmen is about, exactly?

About retired Heroes and the people that replaced them. One of the older ones was murdered and the younger ones haven't been heroing ever since vigilantism had been outlawed. But some have never stopped. It's about what happens if a government really had a superpowered Human to win Wars for them.
The Ending will blow your Mind.

WarpSpeedChewy

03/11/07, 01:53 PM

You don't remember correctly, you most have only read the obvious story in Watchmen and no the subtle one told only in the Art. The Comedian was really Miss Jupiters dad, and her mom secretly loved him. You can figure it out if you read it, but the art conveys the story the best.
Oh yeah, I love Watchmen but I haven't read it in a while. I've been meaning to do that lately.

Earth X, Universe x vol. 1 & 2, Paradise X vol. 1 & 2 ( all deal with the end of the Marvel Universe, it's really cool)

Kingdom Come ( the end of the DC universe)

The Dark Knight Returns.

Those are some of the best in my mind.
I love the Earth X trilogy. I still need to get all of the trades.

FOBcareemo

03/11/07, 01:55 PM

would someone mind telling me what Watchmen is about, exactly?
Its basically the trials and tribulations of a defunct group of heroes after a member is murdered

JIMMYateEARTH

03/11/07, 01:56 PM

Looks cool. I really want to find out the cast list before I start getting too excited about this movie.
I hope the cast consists of mostly no names.

Oh yeah, I love Watchmen but I haven't read it in a while. I've been meaning to do that lately.

I love the Earth X trilogy. I still need to get all of the trades.
My Brother bought all the trades, as they were coming out. I was suprised by how great these stories were. I loved them. Read them all over a Spring Break a couple years ago. I came across them today, thats Why I reccomended them.

Watchmen is with me right now. I have been looking thorugh it remembering how awesome it is.

EndlessMike

03/11/07, 02:04 PM

I hope the cast consists of mostly no names.

Yeah, hopefully now that 300 is a success they can just find the right actors and not be forced into casting big names just because they're big names.

JIMMYateEARTH

03/11/07, 02:06 PM

Yeah, hopefully now that 300 is a success they can just find the right actors and not be forced into casting big names just because they're big names.

Yeah I think big names could distract from the Story.

Here's a question for those who have read it. Should the pirate storys be included in the movie? I think SO. I heard that Snyder wants to put it in but he has had to fight for it.

EndlessMike

03/11/07, 02:10 PM

Yeah I think big names could distract from the Story.

Here's a question for those who have read it. Should the pirate storys be included in the movie? I think SO. I heard that Snyder wants to put it in but he has had to fight for it.

I think it would be fantastic if it was in there, and I think it should be in the movie, but I don't think it will be. I hope they film it at the very least, so that even if it gets cut from the theatrical, they can put it in the dvd.

JIMMYateEARTH

03/11/07, 02:29 PM

I think it would be fantastic if it was in there, and I think it should be in the movie, but I don't think it will be. I hope they film it at the very least, so that even if it gets cut from the theatrical, they can put it in the dvd.

You gotta love special features.

fluke182

03/11/07, 05:45 PM

Damn, I didn't know the library had so many graphic novels. I just ordered V and 300 too. Anyone wanna rec me some other must-reads?
Kingdom Come is a must. Incredible read.

Batman: Year One. Truly awesome Batman story, and if you're interested in more Batman, there's Batman: The Long Halloween and Batman: Dark Victory also. DKR was already recc'd so that's covered. The last two are written by one of the exec producers/writers from Heroes, Jeph Loeb.

I fully recommend reading the entirety of Bone if they have it. It really depends on what they have of course. I also fully recommend Preacher (maybe), Pride of Baghdad (definitely there), Planetary (small shot), Fables (doubtful), and Y the Last Man (almost assuredly not). That'd be awesome if they had those. The Punisher also, if it's Garth Ennis' run. Transmetropolitan. Fables: 1001 Days of Snowfall. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Top 10. Blankets if you want to go less traditional, more edgy and personal. Powers. WE3. Shit, basically any of those. That's not including all kinds of other great stories. Basically, if you see the names Warren Ellis, Alan Moore, Brian K. Vaughan, Ed Brubaker, Frank Miller, Grant Morrison, Garth Ennis, you're likely golden and should just pick up the book.

JIMMYateEARTH

03/11/07, 06:38 PM

Kingdom Come is a must. Incredible read.

Batman: Year One. Truly awesome Batman story, and if you're interested in more Batman, there's Batman: The Long Halloween and Batman: Dark Victory also. DKR was already recc'd so that's covered. The last two are written by one of the exec producers/writers from Heroes, Jeph Loeb.

I fully recommend reading the entirety of Bone if they have it. It really depends on what they have of course. I also fully recommend Preacher (maybe), Pride of Baghdad (definitely there), Planetary (small shot), Fables (doubtful), and Y the Last Man (almost assuredly not). That'd be awesome if they had those. The Punisher also, if it's Garth Ennis' run. Transmetropolitan. Fables: 1001 Days of Snowfall. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Top 10. Blankets if you want to go less traditional, more edgy and personal. Powers. WE3. Shit, basically any of those. That's not including all kinds of other great stories. Basically, if you see the names Warren Ellis, Alan Moore, Brian K. Vaughan, Ed Brubaker, Frank Miller, Grant Morrison, Garth Ennis, you're likely golden and should just pick up the book.

Great rec's. I need to read those Batman books.

Batman: Hush is another great book by Jeph Loeb

Freakx45

03/11/07, 08:31 PM

I just finished reading Watchmen for my comics class and I can't wait till this movie comes out. I hope it is awesome like 300 and sticks to the comic as close as possible.

JIMMYateEARTH

03/11/07, 08:43 PM

I just finished reading Watchmen for my comics class and I can't wait till this movie comes out. I hope it is awesome like 300 and sticks to the comic as close as possible.

I want to take a comics class, that would be the easiest A ever.

Freakx45

03/11/07, 09:16 PM

I want to take a comics class, that would be the easiest A ever.

Hopefully it will be an easy A. The professor is awesome and a total comic expert but a really hard professor when it came to the midterm.

fluke182

03/11/07, 09:23 PM

Hopefully it will be an easy A. The professor is awesome and a total comic expert but a really hard professor when it came to the midterm.
I want that class. What school?

Freakx45

03/12/07, 06:42 AM

I want that class. What school?

Binghamton University. Its the first time the class has been held and it was a fight to get spots in it.

JIMMYateEARTH

03/12/07, 02:18 PM

Binghamton University. Its the first time the class has been held and it was a fight to get spots in it.

I bet that class filled up crazy fast. I consider myself a comic expert. In the areas of MArvel. I was amazing by little brother the other day with my knowlegde of superheros Identies.

What kind of stuff do you learn in this comic Class.

Freakx45

03/12/07, 02:41 PM

I bet that class filled up crazy fast. I consider myself a comic expert. In the areas of MArvel. I was amazing by little brother the other day with my knowlegde of superheros Identies.

What kind of stuff do you learn in this comic Class.

We learn about the visuals of the comics and the overall effect of them. At the beginning of the semester, we read McCloud's "Understanding Comics" to get a jist on the structure of the comics and why there are comics. Then we started with Dark Knight Returns, then Watchmen and now we are on A Contract With God. Usually in class we discuss about everything from the artwork to what the author was trying to say with the comic. During Watchmen, we dissected the panels, looking at every single detail with a fine tooth comb.

The class filled up pretty quick. It is mostly upper-class people in the class. The waiting list for it was really long but not as long as one of my other classes.

JIMMYateEARTH

03/12/07, 05:46 PM

We learn about the visuals of the comics and the overall effect of them. At the beginning of the semester, we read McCloud's "Understanding Comics" to get a jist on the structure of the comics and why there are comics. Then we started with Dark Knight Returns, then Watchmen and now we are on A Contract With God. Usually in class we discuss about everything from the artwork to what the author was trying to say with the comic. During Watchmen, we dissected the panels, looking at every single detail with a fine tooth comb.

The class filled up pretty quick. It is mostly upper-class people in the class. The waiting list for it was really long but not as long as one of my other classes.

disssecting the Watchmens panels would be so much fun. Ther is so much in each one.

Freakx45

03/12/07, 08:20 PM

disssecting the Watchmens panels would be so much fun. Ther is so much in each one.

It was fun picking the panels apart. After doing so many panels, I started to see "V"s everywhere. The funniest thing i saw in a panel was the snoopy on the girls show

FondestMemory

05/08/07, 07:03 AM

i just finished reading this again for the third time since january. i usually try to read it at least twice a year, but i'm way ahead of that pace this year.

the last time reading it was mostly spent trying to put it in movie form and deciding what i want and don't want in it.

as far as the pirate comic, i don't want that in the movie. i know snyder wants it in there, but i don't see it working. i want the newstand to be a part of it, just to tie the new york common people into the story to make the ending as powerful as it needs to be. i do definitely want him to film the pirate story though for the dvd. considering the whole thing could be done on green screen and could easily take the same kind of visual look that 300 had, i'd expect that much at least.

rorschach getting arrested is what excites me most about this movie. if done right, that has the potential to be one of the most kickass scenes ever put on film. snyder better not get all slow motion in that scene. rorschach as a whole excites me. when this movie comes out, i expect him to be a very popular halloween costume for a few years. and i want the mask to be done well. i don't necessarily want it to move around like a lava lamp, but i'd love it if it's just subtly different everytime you see him.

gerard butler's supposedly attatched, but it's not said who he's cast as. i could see him being a pretty kickass veidt. i've also heard rumors of andy serkis as dr. manhattan taking the motion capture route, which i could see done. i just wonder how they'll deal with the wang. he can't be in clothes. if he goes ken doll route, i'd be ok with that.

my biggest fear used to be that they'd cast this film too young. it's not a hot young group of superheroes, casting young would ruin it. but snyder's an older guy, and 300 and dawn of the dead both did fine jobs of avoiding hot young hollywood when it came to their casting. so that fear is kinda gone.

shit. i could keep going. i fucking love this book and am really in the mood to discuss it, but i'll stop until i see if anybody else is willing to discuss it with me.

EndlessMike

05/08/07, 07:39 AM

FondestMemory

05/08/07, 07:59 AM

I started thinking about this movie again recently after seeing Heroes just blatantly rip off the story. I just wish they'd come out with some names of the cast. I've tried to make a cast list in my head a few times, but haven't come up with anything good. For some reason I always get stuck on Gary Cole as Nite Owl.

knowing butler's cast, i'm really hoping it's as veidt. i don't know who else he could be, except one of the detectives. or possibly dan, but i think he's a bit too suave to be dan. unless he can pull off the timid, fairly nerdy role. that's a possibility though.

there's an online petition for doug hutchinson to be rorschach. i actually like that. i think he'd be pretty fucking good. simon pegg's name was thrown out there when greengrass was involved, and as much as i love simon pegg, i don't want to see him as rorschach. newest rumors involve sean penn in the mask, which i don't like at all.

i could see lena headley being a pretty good laurie. i like david morse as the comedian. if butler isn't veidt, i think jude law would be pretty fucking good. and if butler isn't nite owl, i think billy crudup could pull it off.

buysoap

05/08/07, 08:06 AM

FondestMemory

05/08/07, 08:25 AM

Dawn Of The Dead is debatable. It may not have been young, but hot?

i meant it wasn't full of young early 20something's who were all the next big thing. it wasn't the cast of black christmas or scream or along those lines. that's what i meant.

buysoap

05/08/07, 08:27 AM

i meant it wasn't full of young early 20something's who were all the next big thing. it wasn't the cast of black christmas or scream or along those lines. that's what i meant.
Disturbia starring Shia Lebouf, hahahahahaha

Adeniz19

05/08/07, 11:20 AM

rorshach was my favorite thing about watchmen. dude is a badass

FOBcareemo

05/08/07, 12:05 PM

rorshach was my favorite thing about watchmen. dude is a badass

Very much so

JIMMYateEARTH

05/08/07, 12:15 PM

rorshach was my favorite thing about watchmen. dude is a badass

Yeah I'd Agree, I love him.

My favorite line "NO. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never Compromise."

FondestMemory

05/08/07, 05:25 PM

Yeah I'd Agree, I love him.

My favorite line "NO. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never Compromise."

my favorite line is when he's talking about the dog.

"it was kovacs who closed his eyes. it was rorschach who opened them again."

IAPAI

05/08/07, 06:14 PM

my favorite line is when he's talking about the dog.

"it was kovacs who closed his eyes. it was rorschach who opened them again."

Better:

"None of you understand. I'm not locked up in here with you, you're locked up in here with me!"

JIMMYateEARTH

05/08/07, 07:22 PM

Better:

"None of you understand. I'm not locked up in here with you, you're locked up in here with me!"

Thank you for that, I forgot that one.

S84newt2000

05/08/07, 07:35 PM

I haven't read a graphic novel before, but I got this from the library last week and I like it a lot so far.

FondestMemory

05/08/07, 07:48 PM

I haven't read a graphic novel before, but I got this from the library last week and I like it a lot so far.

it only gets better.

that's my favorite thing about the book. it starts off interesting. then starts getting more and more kickass. and it just never stops.

once the shit starts rolling, it keeps up until the end. the very very end is so fucking perfect and makes me always want to go right back to page one the second i've finished.

PJ1336

05/09/07, 12:01 AM

Better:

"None of you understand. I'm not locked up in here with you, you're locked up in here with me!"

hands down one of the toughest quotes in the history of the english language.

i was flipping the fuck out when he hit that guy in the face with the hot oil.

and as everyone else is saying... the end is so amazing.

perfection.

FondestMemory

05/10/07, 02:20 AM

i just had a nearly three hour drunken conversation about the greatness of this novel and the complexities of the characters.

PJ1336

05/21/07, 07:08 PM

Watchmen casting news from AintItCoolNews:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32743

bottom line: offers were put out to actors.

Patrick Wilson as Nite Owl

Jude Law as Ozymandias

and Keanu Reeves as Dr. Manhattan.

my only thoughts... Keanu?

what's next, Patrick Swayze as Rorschach?

PJ1336

05/21/07, 07:08 PM

some pic to pic comparisons.

patrick wilson/nite owl
http://broadwayworld.com/photoops/pillowmanarrivals/patrick_wilson.jpghttp://www.burburinho.com/img/nn030914b.jpg

jude law/ozymandias
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MMPH/C57645~Jude-Law-Posters.jpg
couldn't find a solid pic of ozymandias, but law is perfect so no need anyhow.

keanu reeves/dr. manhattan
http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/personalidades/atores/keanu-reeves/keanu-reeves02.jpghttp://i.timeinc.net/ew/img/daily/629/watchmen.jpg

and maybe if we're lucky...
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e231/yarshannana/434px-Patrick_swayze_7.jpghttp://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/296/rorschach.gif

FondestMemory

05/21/07, 07:15 PM

FondestMemory

05/21/07, 07:15 PM

and i really really want doug hutchinson as rorschach.

EndlessMike

05/21/07, 07:20 PM

PJ1336

05/21/07, 07:22 PM

jude law has been my top choice all along for veidt. that's awesome. i know he's wanted to play that role too, so i hope he takes it.

i like patrick wilson a lot. i'm just wondering who they have in mind for laurie.

i really have no clue who i'd cast in this movie besides jude law and doug hutchinson.

patrick wilson seems like a damned fine choice though too.

FondestMemory

05/21/07, 07:24 PM

Keanu Reeves is pretty out of the blue. And I still think that Gary Cole is the perfect Nite Owl. Jude Law seems to be everyones pick for Veidt. I don't know, face wise he looks good, but body-wise he seems a little small for the role.

nice use of the word blue in regards to dr. manhattan.

veidt wasn't a big guy. he was just incredibally strong and agile. law is so fucking perfect.

i can kinda see reeves as john. he has the look to pull off the pre-accident character. and for the most part, john is so emotionless and dry and half the time makes no sense. which keanu's made a career out of proving he can pull that off.

WarpSpeedChewy

05/21/07, 07:32 PM

FUCK YES.

Man, those are some great choices for Watchmen. Jude Law as pretty much always been a perfect choice as Ozymandias so it's great that he might finally get it. Patrick Wilson is also a cool choice for Nite Owl. Keanu Reeves as Dr. Manhattan is a surprising but I can see him pulling it off. It makes alot of sense. Plus, if he can really build his body to look like Manhattan's, they may not need special effects for him except for some scenes. But this is great news.

I'm kinda of freaking out over it. Watchmen is one of my favorite comics ever, and my confidence about the movie has grown now.

gilatron5000

05/21/07, 07:48 PM

I REALLY want to see who gets the role of The Comedian. He's my favorite character in the book.

Who would play such a prick?

summer skin

05/21/07, 08:10 PM

Having almost no emotion is Keanu Reeves specialty so he's born to play dr.manhattan

JIMMYateEARTH

05/21/07, 08:13 PM

I think those are good choices

JIMMYateEARTH

05/21/07, 08:13 PM

Having almost no emotion is Keanu Reeves specialty so he's born to play dr.manhattan

I said this in the Comic thread, haha

buysoap

05/21/07, 08:32 PM

Keanu Reeves = blah, but the other casting would be good

JIMMYateEARTH

05/21/07, 08:40 PM

Keanu Reeves = blah, but the other casting would be good

I really think he is perfect for teh part, if he really tones down his inner surfer

fluke182

05/21/07, 08:42 PM

Keanu is a bizarre but strangely good choice. All three are good choices, but Keanu is a weirdly inspired one I'd say.

buysoap

05/21/07, 08:42 PM

I really think he is perfect for teh part, if he really tones down his inner surfer
Like someone said, acting with no emotion is perfect for Keanu

But he just doesn't look the part

FondestMemory

05/21/07, 08:44 PM

I REALLY want to see who gets the role of The Comedian. He's my favorite character in the book.

Who would play such a prick?

i think david morse would be an awesome comedian.

fluke182

05/21/07, 08:45 PM

Like someone said, acting with no emotion is perfect for Keanu

But he just doesn't look the part
Well to be fair Dr. Manhattan is mostly hairless and blue, so short of a shaven Gonzo from the Muppets, the acting world is pretty thin in terms of lookalikes.

JIMMYateEARTH

05/21/07, 08:48 PM

Well to be fair Dr. Manhattan is mostly hairless and blue, so short of a shaven Gonzo from the Muppets, the acting world is pretty thin in terms of lookalikes.

as long as I don't have to see Keanu's wang I'll be fine with it

buysoap

05/21/07, 08:48 PM

Well to be fair Dr. Manhattan is mostly hairless and blue, so short of a shaven Gonzo from the Muppets, the acting world is pretty thin in terms of lookalikes.
I just don't see it on Keanu's body

FondestMemory

05/21/07, 09:05 PM

Well to be fair Dr. Manhattan is mostly hairless and blue, so short of a shaven Gonzo from the Muppets, the acting world is pretty thin in terms of lookalikes.

nah. gonzo's nose is too big. he'd be a horrible choice.

FondestMemory

05/21/07, 09:06 PM

as long as I don't have to see Keanu's wang I'll be fine with it

i'm really curios what they're gonna do about the wang.

i'd assume he'll just be like a ken doll. i'd rather that than them make him wear clothes the entire time.

williek311

05/21/07, 09:27 PM

That Swayze pic is classic.

James Johnson

05/21/07, 09:43 PM

Im happy with these choices. :-)

EndlessMike

05/22/07, 04:35 PM

I REALLY want to see who gets the role of The Comedian. He's my favorite character in the book.

Who would play such a prick?

Dennis Farina might be a little old for the part, but I think he'd be solid. I think someone said David Morse too, and I think he could do it well too.

Adeniz19

05/22/07, 04:39 PM

haha keanu? i'd expect someone a little more bulkier.... i just hope to god they keep clothes on him

IAPAI

05/22/07, 04:49 PM

i'm really curios what they're gonna do about the wang.

i'd assume he'll just be like a ken doll. i'd rather that than them make him wear clothes the entire time.

He'll have to be more than a Ken doll. After all, he does double-team that broad with himself. Guy knows what's up (no pun intended).

Adeniz19

05/22/07, 04:51 PM

i also really can't stand jude law....

FondestMemory

05/22/07, 04:59 PM

Dennis Farina might be a little old for the part, but I think he'd be solid. I think someone said David Morse too, and I think he could do it well too.

comedian's an older character. i just don't think there are many actor's old enough that could pull off the role. i think morse is a little too young, but that can be fixed.

farina's actually about the right age.

He'll have to be more than a Ken doll. After all, he does double-team that broad with himself. Guy knows what's up (no pun intended).

yeah, but if it's between a ken doll and having his wang on screen everytime he's on there, i'd prefer the ken doll. dude can do anything he wants, he can grow a penis to nail laurie and i wouldn't question it.

i also really can't stand jude law....

like him or not, he's fucking perfect for the part.

IAPAI

05/22/07, 05:29 PM

they definitely can't cast Rorschach with a big name actor. I think that would overshadow the character too much.

JIMMYateEARTH

05/22/07, 06:02 PM

i'm really curios what they're gonna do about the wang.

i'd assume he'll just be like a ken doll. i'd rather that than them make him wear clothes the entire time.

They might just do streategicly placed items to block the wang.

Or maybe put him in his black stripe outfit for a while

FondestMemory

05/22/07, 06:07 PM

they definitely can't cast Rorschach with a big name actor. I think that would overshadow the character too much.

i'm really hoping for doug hutchinson.

FondestMemory

05/22/07, 06:08 PM

They might just do streategicly placed items to block the wang.

Or maybe put him in his black stripe outfit for a while

i don't mind him in the outfit in flashbacks. but for the majority of the movie, he shouldn't be wearing clothes.

and stategically placing things in front of the wang may work, but may be hard to do on mars and in the arctic.

JIMMYateEARTH

05/22/07, 08:18 PM

i don't mind him in the outfit in flashbacks. but for the majority of the movie, he shouldn't be wearing clothes.

and stategically placing things in front of the wang may work, but may be hard to do on mars and in the arctic.

he can be shot from just teh waist up on mars

PJ1336

05/23/07, 01:56 AM

i remember seeing a take on Dr. Manhattan for the last time this movie was going to get made where he they solved the nudity problem by actually having his entire mid section be sort of exposed, like no skin from his ribs down. it was weird, but it kinda worked.

Adeniz19

05/23/07, 09:45 AM

comedian's an older character. i just don't think there are many actor's old enough that could pull off the role. i think morse is a little too young, but that can be fixed.

farina's actually about the right age. haha i'd love to see bruce willis be the comedian.

like him or not, he's fucking perfect for the part.yea, i guess you're right. i really didnt like the character of ozymandias either so it'll work out

buysoap

05/23/07, 09:46 AM

I'd rather not see big name actors in this movie. Find some new people.

Adeniz19

05/23/07, 09:47 AM

Evolution Kid

05/23/07, 10:02 AM

A friend mentioned this to me earlier, but I could see Ron Perlman as the comedian.

Handy Man

05/29/07, 10:36 AM

hi, i'm new here and I hope I ain't look to dare with my 'statement', but since AICN published the first rumours about watchmen names and since i found this site accidentally (googleing for a doc manhattan picture), i felt like posting my own suggestions for next snyder's work. hope he'll read it and u'll enjoy too.

I'll assume i liked some names, so, i'll could keep both rumours' and mine suggestions on the list

NITE OWL

Patrick Wilson is a good choice, obviously because he indeed resembles Dan Dreiberg (with a little production here and there), but I'd like point:

Arie Verveen

http://ia.ec.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/21/77/22m.jpg

he has been on sin city, briar patch and many other different movies where his talent was pretty well tested, and i guess he was aproved.

RORSCHACH

Loved Doug Hutchison suggestion, he matches both with looks and the talent necessary to be Kovacs. But let us not forget he's 'fascinatingly ugly'. Don't really see Doug like that. I'd rather see, the following guy, instead:

Jackie Earle Haley

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/061201/163429__haley_l.jpg

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/29/15/91/10f.jpg

http://www.thefilmexperience.net/images/2006/littlehaley.jpg

don't let urself fool by his look, i mean...he's not thaaat old (1961) and that could be easily fixed. his only problem with be his height...if imdb is right, he's 1.66 (can't right that in american measure standards), what's enough to say...he's slightly smaller than Tom Cruise (1.70m). a wig here, some make up there and Mr. Inky Face is born (Stan Lee influenced last quote).

OZYMANDIAS

Ok, Jude Law is a huge fan of the graphic novel, but I don't give a damn. I found even a little megalomaniac and arrogant, the expressed and declared will, both from him and Tom Cruise, to play Adrian Veidt ("I'm already that perfect, why can't I play him?"). Nothing against him (or them) as actors, in the contrary. But...hey, take it easy, pal. As a director, I would take in consideration details, I just love when it comes to a super hero movie and the guy on the direction chair does it all possible to find actors that fit with the original caracther. Then, sorry Jude, but in that case I see no other guy but:

Brad Pitt

And you can attempt to stone me for that, but take a look at the last pages (the report about adrian veidt) of number 11 (or 10?) and check that picture with Veidt looking straight to the camera, arms crossed. It's damn Brad Pitt there!

I didn't find an exact picture that illustrates what I'm stating, but...try to catch the spirit of the following:

http://espanol.geocities.com/churekian_04/watchmen/images/bonus_11/ex_txt11_02.jpg

http://www.derangedgirl.blogger.com.br/bpitt-troy.jpg

http://midia.ondarpc.com.br/bradpitt-200.jpg

THE COMEDIAN

Needless to write anything furtherer than any ordinary Watchmen's fan has imagined. It's Gerard Butler, no doubt. Exercise your imagination.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/aa/Comedian.jpg/200px-Comedian.jpg

http://www.gerardbutler.zoomshare.com/my_images/gerard-butler-pics-001.jpg

that hairdo plus his act in 300, plus his bulky look...need to say something else?

SILK SPECTRE

Troubled, emotionally unstable...and "beautiful", according to Manhattan. It's not hard to find a bunch of actresses in Hollywood that indeed are like that in their real lives, but...who can pull it off on the screen.

I hate to use the same actress for two super hero movies, as they did with Sam Eliott and Rebecca Romjin, but...and speaking of Hulk, repetitions and since this movie happened almost 5 years ago (it will be so in Watchmen's release) and people kinda disliked it (I loved it) and the new one, coming in 2008 it's like a 'hulk begins', so, regarding all details, everything done is water under the bridge, i now call...

Jennifer Connelly

http://www.movie-gazette.com/directory/img/jennifer+connelly.jpg

she can still look younger and she definetely doesn't look american...but...could she convincently look like Butler's daughter?

Well, if not, in that case (ready to be stoned again)

Anne Hathaway

http://www.filmweb.no/bilder/multimedia/archive/00105/Anne_Hathaway_i_The_105434o.jpg

http://www.annehathawayguide.com/images/news.jpg

And, also in her case, she could look older.

Of course girls, that both of you would have to, huh, workout a little, after all, Miss Juspeczyk is certainly, hmm...fleshier (if there's such word) than both of you.

A third option would be Kate Beckinsale, but...not sure...could she handle it? What do you people think?

DOCTOR MANHATTAN

I'm really out of ideas, what's pretty a shame, since I took a while to research all those names and put them here. I can't like Keanu Reeves ideas - i simply hate his voice - and i also can't dislike, since he really fits inside the 'non expressive' format that doc manhattan needs. hmmm, would i be too bold if i suggested that Jon Osterman's first wife - who allegedly had cancer from his radiation - was carrie ann-moss?? quite appealing, but she would look perfect and appear for a short period.

well, for now, that's it. I come up with something new, i'll post it here.

FondestMemory

05/29/07, 11:02 AM

the watchmen is more than a comic. it's by far my favorite book ever written.

even though i know the movie won't do it justice, i'm still fucking stoked for it.

FondestMemory

05/29/07, 11:03 AM

and anne hathaway is way too young to play laurie. she can't look that much older.

Cheshire_Buddha

05/29/07, 11:04 AM

Anne Hathaway

http://www.filmweb.no/bilder/multimedia/archive/00105/Anne_Hathaway_i_The_105434o.jpg

http://www.annehathawayguide.com/images/news.jpg

I'd fuck that so fast and so hard.

FondestMemory

05/29/07, 11:05 AM

so would i. in so many ways.

but i don't want her anywhere near watchmen.

Adeniz19

05/29/07, 11:08 AM

Who cares? Why do so many people on this site have a boner for any movie made from a comic?why do you have such malice towards them? lol

i really don't care what the cast is for this. it could be a whole bunch of no names and that would be fine.... i think the important thing is, is how snyder will interpret this story

Handy Man

05/29/07, 11:34 AM

yes, for sure, and this is why most of my names - except pitt and butler - aren't huge hollywood celebs.

Handy Man

05/29/07, 12:48 PM

got one name for manhattan...hmmm...ready to be stoned again:

Peter Weller

and believe me...I didn't not think about his bald look when his robocop helmet was off

http://entimg.msn.com/i/150/Movies/Actors3/WellerPeter66028287_150x200.jpg

http://www.video21.com.br/galatores/peterweller/fotos/foto.jpg

of course, he's damn slim, but...if they could fix that for topher...

Cheshire_Buddha

05/29/07, 01:07 PM

yes, for sure, and this is why most of my names - except pitt and butler - aren't huge hollywood celebs.

I knew all of them (including Jackie Earle 'Hey, I Was in The Bad News Bears!' Haley) except for Arie Verveen, but that is just because I can't see the pic.

gilatron5000

05/29/07, 01:36 PM

THE COMEDIAN
Needless to write anything furtherer than any ordinary Watchmen's fan has imagined. It's Gerard Butler, no doubt. Exercise your imagination.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/aa/Comedian.jpg/200px-Comedian.jpg

http://www.gerardbutler.zoomshare.com/my_images/gerard-butler-pics-001.jpg

that hairdo plus his act in 300, plus his bulky look...need to say something else? No. Just...no. Far too young, in my opinion. Let me suggest:

http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/Ian_McShane%20-%201%20-%20Scoop.jpg

http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/Ian_McShane%20-%201%20-%20We_Are_Marshall.jpg

Anne Hathaway

http://www.filmweb.no/bilder/multimedia/archive/00105/Anne_Hathaway_i_The_105434o.jpg

http://www.annehathawayguide.com/images/news.jpg

And, also in her case, she could look older.

Of course girls, that both of you would have to, huh, workout a little, after all, Miss Juspeczyk is certainly, hmm...fleshier (if there's such word) than both of you.

A third option would be Kate Beckinsale, but...not sure...could she handle it? What do you people think?Kate Beckinsale or Anne Hathaway? I'm not sure with whom I'd be happier. Good lord.

buysoap

05/29/07, 02:51 PM

Good call on Jackie Earl Haley, that would be a good casting

FondestMemory

05/29/07, 02:56 PM

i really think that casting anybody but doug hutchinson as rorschach would be a huge mistake.

the dude is fucking perfect for the part.

buysoap

05/29/07, 03:03 PM

i really think that casting anybody but doug hutchinson as rorschach would be a huge mistake.

the dude is fucking perfect for the part.
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/061201/163429__haley_l.jpg

Look at this man.

FondestMemory

05/29/07, 03:08 PM

Handy Man

05/29/07, 03:43 PM

No. Just...no. Far too young, in my opinion. Let me suggest:

http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/Ian_McShane%20-%201%20-%20Scoop.jpg

http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/Ian_McShane%20-%201%20-%20We_Are_Marshall.jpg

Kate Beckinsale or Anne Hathaway? I'm not sure with whom I'd be happier. Good lord.

this is that fox series guy right? the old west one...forgot the damn name...

what about peter weller as doc manhattan?

buysoap

05/29/07, 03:44 PM

Did you see "Little Children?"

gilatron5000

05/29/07, 03:59 PM

this is that fox series guy right? the old west one...forgot the damn name...

what about peter weller as doc manhattan?Deadwood. HBO.

atticus1492

05/29/07, 04:14 PM

Who cares? Why do so many people on this site have a boner for any movie made from a comic?

Watchman is not just a comic.

PDon11

05/29/07, 05:06 PM

Are they using David Hayter's script?

FondestMemory

05/29/07, 05:24 PM

yes. at least they started with his script. who knows how much of it they'll actually end up using.

fluke182

05/29/07, 05:55 PM

Who cares? Why do so many people on this site have a boner for any movie made from a comic?
That's such an ignorant question, it slays me. I mean honestly, plenty of great movies have been made from comics, that I'm sure you could even like. Road to Perdition? I know you liked History of Violence, that was a comic. So was American Splendor. Just because there are "superheroes" or whatever in them, doesn't mean its trash. Watchmen is an absolutely incredible experience/book, not just a "comic" Comics can be one of the best mediums out there. They can be a great medium, they only lack the light to show the way.

gonz

05/29/07, 06:07 PM

Who cares? Why do so many people on this site have a boner for any movie made from a comic?
You can't reall talk about this at all if you haven't read it.

TJ Wells

05/29/07, 06:32 PM

That's such an ignorant question, it slays me. I mean honestly, plenty of great movies have been made from comics, that I'm sure you could even like. Road to Perdition? I know you liked History of Violence, that was a comic. So was American Splendor. Just because there are "superheroes" or whatever in them, doesn't mean its trash. Watchmen is an absolutely incredible experience/book, not just a "comic" Comics can be one of the best mediums out there. They can be a great medium, they only lack the light to show the way.
ill give you american splendor and a history of violence. in fact, ahov was my fav movie of 05. i think its just that there has been such a rash of them in the past few years its getting tiring.

gilatron5000

05/29/07, 06:41 PM

ill give you american splendor and a history of violence. in fact, ahov was my fav movie of 05. i think its just that there has been such a rash of them in the past few years its getting tiring.
To be fair, this isn't Steel or Elektra. This book is THE benchmark of the medium.

Spooky

05/29/07, 06:44 PM

a lot of comic book movies are very silly, but this has the potential to be great. I think The Watchmen was one of Time Magazines' 100 best novels. I'm not sure how they're going to make it into a movie though... they'll have to cut a lot

FondestMemory

05/29/07, 06:47 PM

it's gonna be a looooooooong movie. snyder's already come out and said that.

he said it's gonna be very long and definitely r rated. which are both good signs.

p, FRY

05/29/07, 06:51 PM

ill give you american splendor and a history of violence. in fact, ahov was my fav movie of 05. i think its just that there has been such a rash of them in the past few years its getting tiring.

AHOV was an average film at best, and Watchman isn't just some "comic" it's the greatest graphic novel ever written and introduced the world to a medium that was more than just kids stories.

preppyak

05/29/07, 07:00 PM

Road to Perdition?
Really...never knew that...that's awesome. I'll have to look for that

AShannon04

05/29/07, 07:01 PM

I've never been into comics or graphic novels whatsoever, but all this talk makes me kinda interested. What would one suggest I check out to pop my comic cherry?

FondestMemory

05/29/07, 07:13 PM

I've never been into comics or graphic novels whatsoever, but all this talk makes me kinda interested. What would one suggest I check out to pop my comic cherry?

seriously. read watchmen.

it's not just a great comic, it's a great fucking book.

TJ Wells

05/29/07, 07:13 PM

I loved Dawn Of The Dead (which wasn't based on a comic) and really disliked 300 (which was), so that's why i'm wary about this. Guess i'll have to check out the book, though.

FondestMemory

05/29/07, 07:15 PM

this storiy is loads and loads better than 300 though.

300 was a decent book. this is a fucking phenominal book.

TJ Wells

05/29/07, 07:15 PM

You need to watch AHOV more than once to understand the true brilliance behind that picture.

JIMMYateEARTH

05/29/07, 07:29 PM

I've never been into comics or graphic novels whatsoever, but all this talk makes me kinda interested. What would one suggest I check out to pop my comic cherry?

GO to th ecomics thread and ask that questiion we have given plenty of suggestions. Look and see what we have told other folks

Start with Watchmen.

That's such an ignorant question, it slays me. I mean honestly, plenty of great movies have been made from comics, that I'm sure you could even like. Road to Perdition? I know you liked History of Violence, that was a comic. So was American Splendor. Just because there are "superheroes" or whatever in them, doesn't mean its trash. Watchmen is an absolutely incredible experience/book, not just a "comic" Comics can be one of the best mediums out there. They can be a great medium, they only lack the light to show the way.

I love you Fluke

To be fair, this isn't Steel or Elektra. This book is THE benchmark of the medium.

I also love you Gil

Handy Man

05/29/07, 08:04 PM

Deadwood. HBO.

that's right.

about butler being too young:

i don't see that as a problem, really. specially, cause, i don't think the movie version will cut out the rape scene. and he's younger there, what would be really impossible to make with the deadwood guy (he looks like a...well, imagine a fruit, almost rotten...well ,my english vocab isn't that rich).

and well, i think that my statements on hathaway were also overrated. i mean, she could fit the role phisically, in a certain way. but laurie, for me, it's an old looking woman (face) with a gorgeous young shaped body.

turning the body into that wouldn't be that hard, so...maybe, connelly fits better. however, in order to match with her extremely troubled personality, i'd point now to:

Frances O'Connor

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/events/6177001.jpg

if u don't remember her, she was on 'AI' and on the horrible 'Timeline'.

She certainly carries that expression of 'weird gir'l on her face. And she's pretty, in a certain way. and she's 1.74m. good. Miss Juspeczyk tall too.

FondestMemory

05/29/07, 08:14 PM

i like lena headley as laurie.

Handy Man

05/29/07, 08:25 PM

i have looked at him.

and i don't see somebody who can essentially carry a movie and play what can potentially be one of the most popular characters in a movie ever. i don't see somebody who can pass as being physically intimidating and fear imposing. i don't see this guy making it believable that he takes on almost an entire police force alone and can look a prison full of inmates in the eyes without flinching.

i see doug hutchinson pulling all that off. not this guy.

hey, this is just a pic, not a motion. and in this film, he plays an intimidated sociopat, actually, a child molester. jackie is a damn good actor.

don't u forget that the fact rorschach is so feary and imposing, has to do with his complete coldness and indiference to people's reactions and thoughts. look, u don't have to face a huge, bulky alien to run like hell, right? u could see a tiny green/gray man with big black eyes, saying 'hi', with an eletronic voice and crap your pants down while ur legs move like a locomotive towards ur home. why? cause u damn don't know what the hell is that, speaking in front of u.

that's rorschach, he's an alien, he lives and comes from an world that he created and he rules alone. the guy in question doesn't have to be phisically (muscular or what) convincent he can freak out a bunch of stupid cops. he spends 90% of his time masked...and that's the key of the secret, just like hugo did with V.

and sorry, my opinion...under that aspect, doug also can't scare...not even a bit. he looks more like a weekend bad ass. u know, the kind of guy that only gets some balls when he drives his truck to the next gas station.

Handy Man

05/29/07, 08:26 PM

i like lena headley as laurie.

i thought about her too, but i don't think zack would give her a chance. and, honestly...she's damn pretty but her face...hmmm...can't resemble laurie, not even a bit. i'm definetely stuck to resemblances.

FondestMemory

05/29/07, 08:34 PM

hey, this is just a pic, not a motion. and in this film, he plays an intimidated sociopat, actually, a child molester. jackie is a damn good actor.

don't u forget that the fact rorschach is so feary and imposing, has to do with his complete coldness and indiference to people's reactions and thoughts. look, u don't have to face a huge, bulky alien to run like hell, right? u could see a tiny green/gray man with big black eyes, saying 'hi', with an eletronic voice and crap your pants down while ur legs move like a locomotive towards ur home. why? cause u damn don't know what the hell is that, speaking in front of u.

that's rorschach, he's an alien, he lives and comes from an world that he created and he rules alone. the guy in question doesn't have to be phisically (muscular or what) convincent he can freak out a bunch of stupid cops. he spends 90% of his time masked...and that's the key of the secret, just like hugo did with V.

and sorry, my opinion...under that aspect, doug also can't scare...not even a bit. he looks more like a weekend bad ass. u know, the kind of guy that only gets some balls when he drives his truck to the next gas station.

i understand it's a pic. but i've also seen him in motion. i just don't see him as rorschach. i really think hutchinson is perfection for the part. that's just my opinion.

i thought about her too, but i don't think zack would give her a chance. and, honestly...she's damn pretty but her face...hmmm...can't resemble laurie, not even a bit. i'm definetely stuck to resemblances.

why wouldn't zack give her a chance? he added a whole other element to 300 that revolved around her. i don't think he doubts her ability.

if they cast based solely on how much they look like the character, then the movie's fucked. that goes for any comic movie. i'd rather have an actor who's talent fits the part but looks don't over an actor with the look but not the talent to carry it 10 out of 10 times.

based on the choices of wilson and law so far, i think they're definitely on the right track. i have faith he'll do a great job filling out the rest of the casting.

gilatron5000

05/29/07, 08:39 PM

GO to th ecomics thread and ask that questiion we have given plenty of suggestions. Look and see what we have told other folks

Start with Watchmen.

I love you Fluke

I also love you Gil:slutkiss:

that's right.

about butler being too young:

i don't see that as a problem, really. specially, cause, i don't think the movie version will cut out the rape scene. and he's younger there, what would be really impossible to make with the deadwood guy (he looks like a...well, imagine a fruit, almost rotten...well ,my english vocab isn't that rich).I see. Well, I think Gerald Butler as The Comedian would be too...Snake Pliskin. Kinda smarmy. I think Ian McShane would be so much better as the utter douchecock that The Comedian is.

gonz

05/29/07, 08:41 PM

it's gonna be a looooooooong movie. snyder's already come out and said that.

he said it's gonna be very long and definitely r rated. which are both good signs.
Good to hear, doing it any other way would ruin it.
AHOV was an average film at best, and Watchman isn't just some "comic" it's the greatest graphic novel ever written and introduced the world to a medium that was more than just kids stories.
AHOV is much better than average and definitely agree with your view of Watchmen.
I've never been into comics or graphic novels whatsoever, but all this talk makes me kinda interested. What would one suggest I check out to pop my comic cherry?
Watchmen, like others have said

FondestMemory

05/29/07, 08:41 PM

i think bruce willis would be perfect as the comedian. i don't see that happening at all though.

and for some reason, i really like the idea of david morse in the role.

TJ Wells

05/29/07, 08:51 PM

So is this book/comic Borders-visit readable? 'Cause I have to go apply for some jobs tomorrow, but then have to waste some time to make my mom think I applied for more.

gilatron5000

05/29/07, 09:05 PM

So is this book/comic Borders-visit readable? 'Cause I have to go apply for some jobs tomorrow, but then have to waste some time to make my mom think I applied for more.Yep. I think I got my copy at B&N.

Cheshire_Buddha

05/29/07, 09:11 PM

Frances O'Connor

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/events/6177001.jpg

I'll totally tap that.

This thread is making me horny, dammit.

TJ Wells

05/29/07, 09:36 PM

Yep. I think I got my copy at B&N.
So it doesn't take a long time to read?

PJ1336

05/29/07, 09:49 PM

So it doesn't take a long time to read?

it's not the kind of thing you should rush through, regardless of length, as each page is chock full of symbolism.

however, it is still a decent length. maybe 3 or 4 visits if you're really dedicated, but it's 12 chapters, and i would alot around 45 mins to an hour for each.

so yeah, it may take a bit.

Bob Payne

05/29/07, 09:56 PM

Tom Selleck is the only choice for The Comedian.

you guys are forgetting that all these characters are in their sixties.

FondestMemory

05/29/07, 09:56 PM

So it doesn't take a long time to read?

it takes a go bit to read. not one sitting.

TJ Wells

05/29/07, 09:57 PM

it's not the kind of thing you should rush through, regardless of length, as each page is chock full of symbolism.

however, it is still a decent length. maybe 3 or 4 visits if you're really dedicated, but it's 12 chapters, and i would alot around 45 mins to an hour for each.

so yeah, it may take a bit.
Well apparently they have it at the library. So i'll just go with that.

fluke182

05/29/07, 10:04 PM

Well apparently they have it at the library. So i'll just go with that.
One week and it's your avatar.

Handy Man

05/30/07, 03:18 AM

dunno why both Arie's and Frances' pictures gone 'x'

ok...

Arie Verveen

http://ia.ec.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/21/77/22m.jpg

Frances O'Connor

http://www.girl.com.au/img/timeline2.jpg

http://www.reel.com/content/reelimages/hollconf2001/0629_comparison.jpg

TJ Wells

05/30/07, 07:32 AM

sheista! i didnt even think about torrents. thats even easier than the library.

Handy Man

05/30/07, 08:01 AM

i found it on mininova.org. veeery good. downloaded with azureus.

a question about alan moore:

is he really envolved with something related with misticis, occult or the nickname 'wizard' (i'm not sure if that's the right word in english) has to do only with his bizarre look?

TJ Wells

05/30/07, 09:37 AM

Ok so I am only ten pages into the first issue, and I already love this.

Handy Man

05/30/07, 10:11 AM

you'll love the hollis mason book's excerpts (under the hood). you could make a film out of that, as well as for the black freighter

Handy Man

05/30/07, 10:15 AM

never thought i'd write that...but maybe miss juspeczyk could be...

http://geraldofreire.uol.com.br/winona_ryder.jpg

don't think she's beautiful, though. cute. nothing more.

FondestMemory

05/30/07, 10:23 AM

snyder wants to film the black freighter stuff. he wants it as part of the movie, but i don't see that working.

in trimming it down, that's easily the first thing that should be cut out.

i'd like it as a dvd extra, but it doesn't need to be in the movie.

Adeniz19

05/30/07, 10:33 AM

Tom Selleck is the only choice for The Comedian.

you guys are forgetting that all these characters are in their sixties.no way are they that old. well, some of them maybe but i would guess most are like late 40/50's

FondestMemory

05/30/07, 10:51 AM

no way are they that old. well, some of them maybe but i would guess most are like late 40/50's

the comedian's in his 60's, yes. but that's about it. manhattan's older, but he doesn't age, so it doesn't matter.

laurie, dan and rorschach are all early to mid 40's.

Adeniz19

05/30/07, 10:53 AM

the comedian's in his 60's, yes. but that's about it. manhattan's older, but he doesn't age, so it doesn't matter.

laurie, dan and rorschach are all early to mid 40's.yea, that's what i figured.

Handy Man

05/30/07, 11:35 AM

TJ Wells

05/30/07, 12:33 PM

so im reading this and having an incredible the incredibles flashback.

gilatron5000

05/30/07, 12:54 PM

never thought i'd write that...but maybe miss juspeczyk could be...

http://geraldofreire.uol.com.br/winona_ryder.jpg

don't think she's beautiful, though. cute. nothing more.you're right. She'd steal the show.

Adeniz19

05/30/07, 12:55 PM

so im reading this and having an incredible the incredibles flashback.haha yea it's a little similar with the whole super hero retirement thing.

Handy Man

05/30/07, 04:35 PM

you're right. She'd steal the show.

hahaa...poor girl...that will hunt her forever...well, the 'troubled' item is filled...hehehe...

EndlessMike

05/30/07, 05:52 PM

TJ Wells

05/30/07, 07:20 PM

After reading only the first issue, I can't even explain how excited I am for this movie now.

I am officially a convert.

...I still don't like V For Vendetta or 300, though.

FondestMemory

05/30/07, 07:43 PM

After reading only the first issue, I can't even explain how excited I am for this movie now.

I am officially a convert.

...I still don't like V For Vendetta or 300, though.

that's because it's stupid to lump them all together.

saying you hate movies based on graphic novels because you disliked two, would be like me saying i hate movies based on books because i hated running with scissors and the devil wears prada.

doesn't matter where the source material comes from, a good story is a good story. discrediting it right off the bat because of where it comes from is pretty damn silly.

TJ Wells

05/30/07, 08:19 PM

that's because it's stupid to lump them all together.

saying you hate movies based on graphic novels because you disliked two, would be like me saying i hate movies based on books because i hated running with scissors and the devil wears prada.

doesn't matter where the source material comes from, a good story is a good story. discrediting it right off the bat because of where it comes from is pretty damn silly.
I didn't say I hate movies based on graphic novels, just said I was tiring of them. And more movies based on comic books (Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Elektra, The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Fantastic Four, The Punisher, X3, Spiderman 3, etc.)

gilatron5000

05/30/07, 09:11 PM

Handy Man

05/31/07, 04:59 AM

Most of those casting choices seem great. Especially Brad Pitt. I know there are people who think Jude Law is perfect, but look at that picture. Veidt is huge, even if Jude Law went on a "300" style workout routine he couldn't be that big. Also, considering this movie is likely going to push the three hour mark, they really do need a star in the picture to sell it, and Brad Pitt is perfect for that too. Jackie Earle Haley is a name I haven't seen thrown out there, he actually seems perfect.

I still stand by my personal choices of Gary Cole for Nite Owl/Dreiberg and Dennis Farina as The Comedian, though.

do you think it's gonna reach 3 hours? Hmmm...not sure, i'd like to imagine not, because, in my opinion - no matter how right or wrong that would be - it would ruin the movie. not that i wouldn't like, in the contrary, but the 'ordinary public' wouldn't, as the same for 'grind house'. and a watchmen that long would only happen, if, and only if the 'black freighter' was included, which is something i don't imagine it will happen and honestly, can't see how it would be inserted in the movie.

the comics approach is 'chapter-ish' while in a movie, u see things in a continuum. i don't see how a script could fix those visits to the newsstand, where the boy reads the pirates comic book and the whole conduction of the history. But, maybe, I'm just less creative than most of hollywood top writers and directors, maybe...who knows? :-D

I don't know, but i think this movie, in terms of runtime, will be something like Munich (2:45). and that was loooooong, baby.

about brad pitt, jackie earl and gerard butler:

they're not really my ideas, i must confess i just gathered suggestions from things i read coming from people that follow up movie news very closely and from snyder himself.

snyder said once, a few months ago, that 'watchmen is the kind of movie that can make you think possible that great actors suit up on tights. you could even ask brad pitt to do so'.

i kept myself wondering where the hell could he see brad pitt on a movie like this. that was when i saw ozymandia's pic, the one i posted here and the one with his arms crossed, model-posing, in the 'attachment' of 10th or 11th edition. and then i remember pitt's performance in 12 monkeys and well, all his movies since 2000, quite a leap on his career.

gerard butler, well, he gave a hell of a lead in an interview, when he said that, returning from a promo trip, on a plane, he wrote on the wrapping paper of his chocolate, which would be his part on watchmen, and according to him, zach denied to answer and he won't tell until the right moment.

and jackie, a suggestion was made by a reporter from a brazil's website (www.omelete.com.br (http://www.omelete.com.br)), who coincidentrly, in the following day to his suggestion (that, according to him was the result of a commentary between him and another reporter of the same site, that one, a comics-freak, after watching haley on 'Little Children') has seen it published on www.comics2film.com (http://www.comics2film.com), informing that was indeed going to happen, jackie is supposed to get the part.

i must confess that in terms of looks, doug hutchison fits perfectly for the role (and he's a hell of a good actor)...but, well, as the same for jackie, they'd have to find a way to fix his height problem (he's 1.68, jackie's 1.66...isn't rorschach something around 1.85?) and his almost chubby looking face.

but jackie transmitted something, i dunno, weird, dark, and poetic at the same time. and the fact he is an actor that suffered of the merciless hollywood rejection-after-you-were-a-famous-child, gives it a little of the feeling that walter kovacs, aka Rorschach, probably tried out when he was a...oops, don't wanna to spoil TJ Wells surprises.

Handy Man

05/31/07, 05:12 AM

I didn't say I hate movies based on graphic novels, just said I was tiring of them. And more movies based on comic books (Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Elektra, The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Fantastic Four, The Punisher, X3, Spiderman 3, etc.)

i think ur feeling is growing on peoples' minds. sadly, movies based on comics...are, well, a little too much nowadays. and people are getting fed up of it. it won't take too long until a long age of ostracism for comics to films, hit hollywood again. you, it's kinda getting worn out, even 'wanted' and other comic books ideas are being used to the expent of its own authenticity and identidity (that's where i agree with alan moore...i believe he disgusts comics adaptation because he wants comics to be respected for what they are, the must grow because of what they already can achieve as comics, as that medium, they're not supposed to be turned into movies to get is deserved wider appreciation). it's a pitty...there are too damn good ideas flying around, specially comic books that were created in the 80's, both in and out of the mainstream, as well as european carachters and magazines (diabolik, XIII, Aldebaran, Alan Ford and Team TNT, Incal, etc). and maybe, when that ostracism wave comes, some may be forgotten.

happily, though, other good stuff are coming. 'Whiteout', great detective comic book mini series, and Y: the last man, which could very easily become (here comes the damned word) a franchise...a trilogy, u know...hey, don't shoot me, don't shoot me!

Handy Man

05/31/07, 05:14 AM

Heh, I actually thought 300 and V For Vendetta were some of the better comic movies.

That being said, I'm cautiously optimistic about this film. I'm optimistic because it's Watchmen! I'm cautious because it's,well, Watchmen! With the possible exception of V For Vendetta, Alan Moore adaptations have a history of not being very good(League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen? From Hell? bleh). And with Moore not wanting anything to do with Hollywood due to Ron Silver's stunt for V, who can blame him?

yea, but here it comes good news: according to sources (not joel silver-ish) he said he liked the script. if he said he didn't hate it, it would be enough. but, when he read V's and League's scripts, he made very clear they were lame.

gilatron5000

05/31/07, 09:31 AM

One week and it's your avatar.you soooooooo called it. rofl.

TJ Wells

05/31/07, 09:33 AM

you soooooooo called it. rofl.
hahaha yep.

EndlessMike

05/31/07, 11:27 AM

yea, but here it comes good news: according to sources (not joel silver-ish) he said he liked the script. if he said he didn't hate it, it would be enough. but, when he read V's and League's scripts, he made very clear they were lame.

Really? If that's true my expecations for this just went up 1000x. From everything I've read, the man hates Hollywood, especially when they've adapted his work, so if he really said that it's pretty amazing and bodes well for the movie.

gilatron5000

05/31/07, 11:41 AM

Yeah, I'd have to see these sources, Accorinding to Wizard Magazine, wikipedia, and just about every source I've found, Alan Moore is appalled that Watchmen was even be considered to be adapted into a film.

Handy Man

05/31/07, 12:43 PM

no, no...i can secure you he said that. and, believe me, the source is related to the film and didn't pull a joel silver this time. i just don't remember the bloody name of the guy in question...

gilatron5000

05/31/07, 01:08 PM

No offense intended, but I'll believe it when I see it.

TJ Wells

05/31/07, 01:13 PM

Adeniz19

05/31/07, 01:30 PM

yea there is a bigger picture at the end and explains why all of this is happening.

JIMMYateEARTH

05/31/07, 02:22 PM

buysoap

05/31/07, 03:21 PM

Ok so I am only ten pages into the first issue, and I already love this.
Hahaha, I love your first comment in this thread now

Adeniz19

05/31/07, 03:45 PM

Hahaha, I love your first comment in this thread nowhaha it disappeared! good thing i have it quoted :-D

p, FRY

05/31/07, 04:59 PM

I'm curious, is this going somewhere? I'm four issues in, and it's just been (more or less) lots and lots of backstory. Not that I haven't been enjoying it immensely.

I'm just wondering when it gets back to the thing with The Comedian getting murdered and everything.

oh, the ending is just phenominal.

i'm sure most of you have seen this already, but this is a test shot done during the filming of 300. personally, i think it looks perfect.

[click for much bigger version]

http://www.firstshowing.net/img/rorshach-small.jpg (http://www.firstshowing.net/img/rorshach-big.jpg)

fluke182

05/31/07, 05:44 PM

One week and it's your avatar.
Overshot it by 6 days, but COUNT IT!

fluke182

05/31/07, 05:49 PM

you soooooooo called it. rofl.
High five!

Handy Man

06/01/07, 04:28 AM

oh, the ending is just phenominal.

i'm sure most of you have seen this already, but this is a test shot done during the filming of 300. personally, i think it looks perfect.

[click for much bigger version]

http://www.firstshowing.net/img/rorshach-small.jpg (http://www.firstshowing.net/img/rorshach-big.jpg)

it kinda feels like that Snyder will use some technique to change the nature of the images, the same way he did with 300.

that's a question that has been popping on my mind since the announcement of the movie and the director's name were reported: will he use conventional filming or somehting special, different? the movie will follow the same 'chronology' of the comic book, which means, the story will set place on an alternative 1985 (could that year have some kind of magical connection? it's special to me, to robert zemeckis, to alan moore). I'm not sure if that's possible, but I'd just love they could shoot the film with equipment of that time, of course, to give the filme a look of 80's film. I mean, the story, the angles, the approach, all uptaded, but the quality of image, 80's, got it? it would give the movie something else, without appealing to cgi or blue screen.

Handy Man

06/01/07, 05:22 AM

another casting suggestions:

SALLY JUPITER, Laurie's Mother, the first SILK SPECTRE

Frances Fisher

http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/kibble/67/ruth.jpg

http://jimbrochu.com/images/08.jpg

the psychiatrist that analyzes Rorschach (ooops...sorry TJWells)

Keith David

http://www.riddick.ru/keith_david.jpg

http://www.trygve.com/keithdavid.jpg

HOLLIS MASON

Jeroen Krabbé
http://entimg.msn.com/i/150/Movies/Actors3/Bigalow220906173_150x200.jpg

http://www.picturepress.nl/AA%200018Premiere%20Zwartboek%2012% 20sept%202006%20Den%20Haag/images/_DSC0980Jeroen%20Krabbe.jpg

the 'midget' that faces Rorschach (forgot his name)

Henry Gibson (I'd love to see them using CGI for this!!!!)

http://www.nndb.com/people/594/000025519/henry-gibson.jpg

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Mptv/1061/1941-0044.jpg

FondestMemory

06/01/07, 09:46 AM

big figure.

FondestMemory

06/01/07, 10:12 AM

and it now appears that gerard butler won't be in the film at all.

Handy Man

06/01/07, 10:51 AM

big figure.

tall order

Handy Man

06/01/07, 10:51 AM

and it now appears that gerard butler won't be in the film at all.

where did u see that?

Handy Man

06/04/07, 03:57 AM

Waiting for ur info, Fondest...

Handy Man

06/09/07, 07:19 AM

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1561936/20070607/story.jhtml

Zack Snyder Assures He'll 'Find A Spot' For Gerard Butler In 'Watchmen'

Director won't deny rumors of Jude Law, Keanu Reeves and Patrick Wilson being offered roles in comic book flick.

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UNIVERSAL CITY, California — A few weeks back, we broke the bad news from Gerard Butler on the MTV Movies Blog (http://www.mtvmoviesblog.com/2007/05/21/gerard-butler-talks-up-untouchables-casts-doubt-on-watchmen/) that his post-"300" schedule was looking too tight to squeeze in an appearance in "The Watchmen." But this week, director Zack Snyder assured us that he'll get his Spartan leading man into the highly anticipated comic book flick somehow.

"Yeah, we'll find a spot for him," Snyder told us on the red carpet at the MTV Movie Awards (see "MTV Movie Awards Get Dirty: Baron Cohen, Ferrell Mash; Rihanna Sizzles; Silverman Says 'Bleep!' " (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1561557/20070603/story.jhtml) and "Jessica Biel, Jay-Z, More Go Casual-Chic On Anything-Goes Movie Awards Red Carpet" (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1561559/20070603/story.jhtml)). "They'll let him [off the other sets for a while]; he's not gonna get out that easy."

The red-hot director, intent on using his newfound Hollywood clout to stay true to Alan Moore's refreshingly dark comic classic, also offered a promising non-denial regarding rumors that names like Jude Law, Keanu Reeves and Patrick Wilson had been offered roles. "Um — you know what? I would say 'No,' but then you'd call me later and go like, 'Dude, what are you doing?' " Snyder laughed. "I don't know who's leaking this stuff, but they're good."

Snyder is hard at work finalizing his shooting script, casting A-list stars and defending his vision against the suits who'd make the story of hunted superheroes somewhat cheerier (see "Director Zack Snyder On 'Watchmen' Flick: 'I Don't Wanna Screw It Up' " (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1553677/20070301/story.jhtml)). As he does so, he told us that he's most looking forward to shooting the opening scene of the flick. "At the beginning of the movie there's a character called the Comedian," Snyder said of the ill-fated former hero whose murder begins the story. "He gets in a fight with a guy that we don't know who it is, and [the Comedian] gets thrown out a window. That's what I'm working on right now, and it's pretty intense."

"[We'll be shooting] up in Canada, starting in September," Snyder said of the film, which Hollywood has been trying to get off the ground for a decade and a half, under directors ranging from Terry Gilliam to Paul Greengrass. "[We'll be shooting] real soon."

Snyder also commented on those pesky rumors about a "300" sequel, saying that he'll leave the door open for whatever Frank Miller has in mind (see " '300' Trivia: Albino Giants, Sequel Chances — And Sienna Miller" (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1554534/20070313/story.jhtml)). "Hey — if Frank wrote it, and drew something cool, absolutely."

But until then, Snyder is focused on the only comic to make Time's 100 best English-language novels list, a book that many consider the greatest graphic novel ever written. "We're drawing and getting everything together, and I think it's looking pretty cool," he said, promising that we'll soon be watching the "Watchmen" movie. "It's gonna be awesome."

this is the first thing i read about it that i don't like

the movie should follow the same approach on comedian's murder as the comic book. it gives the whole plot a very detective aspect, since you find out about pieces of the crime as the carachters talk about it. showing it to the public, right away, hmm...i don't know, it kinda spoils it.

and, according to what he says, gerard butler could be the comedian very easily. he doesn't really appear as much as rorschach and dreiberg in the history, he's more present in flashes, which, i think, the script has taken care of cutting and cutting and turning it in nothing but alternative images or explaining dialogues.

and...he's trying to run away of the costumes idea??? but, hell..they're costumed aventurers...what the hell those guys have in mind???!!!

buysoap

06/09/07, 09:00 AM

Where did he say he's taking the costumes out? I even ctrl-F'd and couldn't find it after reading it..

IAPAI

06/09/07, 09:40 AM

I think it will be great regardless. This movie will be harder to stick to the exact text/images of the book than 300 was, so it will require some liberties to be taken with how the story is presented. But I still think it will be awesome.

Adeniz19

06/14/07, 03:39 PM

looks like keanu turned down the role. i think that's a good thing

FondestMemory

06/14/07, 03:54 PM

he was my least favorite of the three names so far. curious to where they'll go next.

i fucking love wilson as nite owl. i never would have thought of him, but i think he's absolutely perfect.

and i've always thought law was perfect for ozy.

Handy Man

06/15/07, 04:35 AM

just check the link at clube-keanu.com

http://www.club-keanu.com/modules/altern8news/article.php?storyid=101

TJ Wells

06/15/07, 04:51 AM

Awesome.

Handy Man

06/15/07, 07:01 AM

this is why my suggestion goes for

Julian Sands

http://24freak.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/bierko.jpg

Handy Man

06/15/07, 08:34 AM

this is why my suggestion for doc manhattan goes for

Julian Sands

http://24freak.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/bierko.jpg

SaltyFingers

06/15/07, 04:00 PM

i hope michael douglas gets the part

FstFtsVsFences

06/15/07, 08:29 PM

How do you manage to post 500 times on a keanu reeves website?

Handy Man

06/18/07, 03:50 AM

me? i didn't post anything there

WarpSpeedChewy

06/18/07, 04:56 AM

I've seen a bunch of Watchmen threads talking about the comic and upcoming movie so I thought it'd be best to go ahead and bring up an official thread.

Check this article at Aint It Cool News
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33045

It brings up the recent CHUD article talking about how Jackie Earle Haley is being offered the role Rorschach. Paddy Considine would have been fucking amazing as Rorschach though. Paddy and Sam Rockwell would have been perfect choices for Rorschach. I'm not too familar with Jackie Earle but he seems to have a good enough reputation and he certainly looks creepy enough. Hopefully if he turns down the role they'll offer it to Paddy Considine again.

The most interesting thing about the article is one of the possible choices for the comedian. It implies that Thomas Jane might be in the running. Not a choice I might expect but it could work. Thomas Jane is a wonderful actor and he could pull it off.

I'm disappointed that Keanu Reeves turned down Dr. Manhattan. I'm not quite sure about Jason Patric being in the running. He might be able to do it but I have some trouble seeing it.

MegH

06/18/07, 06:52 AM

My interest is peaked since Nathan Fillion's name is/was being thrown around. I'll have to track down a TPB and see if he would work as the character.

Same goes for Jason Patric. I only ever think of him as Michael from The Lost Boys.

TJ Wells

06/18/07, 06:57 AM

Jackie Earle Haley is such an unbelievably perfect choice for Rorschach. Just watch Little Children. You can't get creepier than that.

buysoap

06/18/07, 08:55 AM

Jackie Earle Haley is such an unbelievably perfect choice for Rorschach. Just watch Little Children. You can't get creepier than that.
I agree wholeheartedly.

I felt bad for him at the end though

EndlessMike

06/18/07, 09:14 AM

Thomas Jane as The Comedian? I don't think I like that too much.

I do agree that Jakie Earle Haley is perfect though.

buysoap

06/18/07, 09:27 AM

Tom Jane is too young

Evolution Kid

06/18/07, 10:38 AM

haha, I'm amused that they were actually entertaining the idea of Ron Perlman for the Comedian since I thought he would be a good choice in one of the other threads.

And I agree, I don't really like the idea of using Tom Jane.

Handy Man

06/18/07, 11:26 AM

yeah and i postes jackie earl haley as rorschach in my other post, too.

but they'll have to make him up very well. he has a very thin face and damn bright light blue eyes, they get to be creepy.

FondestMemory

06/18/07, 11:34 AM

i hate the idea of haley as rorschach. i'll stand by that. i don't fucking see it at all. i will have serious doubts about the movie if he ends up with the role.

doug hutchinson is perfect for the part.

unwritten

06/18/07, 11:36 AM

I just ordered the Watchmen Absolute Edition.

FondestMemory

06/18/07, 11:37 AM

I just ordered the Watchmen Absolute Edition.

excellent purchase. you won't regret.

that thing is so fucking amazing. so much cool shit in it.

unwritten

06/18/07, 11:40 AM

excellent purchase. you won't regret.

that thing is so fucking amazing. so much cool shit in it.

I know, I can't wait to dive in.

unwritten

06/18/07, 11:43 AM

FondestMemory

06/18/07, 11:44 AM

if they suggest sandra bullock as laurie i'll flip out.

unwritten

06/18/07, 11:49 AM

http://darwen.us/darrell/blographics/061006a.jpg

TJ Wells

06/18/07, 12:13 PM

http://darwen.us/darrell/blographics/061006a.jpg
haha, thats ridiculous. a great photoshop job, though.

eMart

06/18/07, 12:43 PM

Adeniz19

06/18/07, 12:53 PM

Patrick Wilson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0933940) as Night Owl?

FondestMemory

06/18/07, 01:08 PM

Patrick Wilson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0933940) as Night Owl?

yeah. he's fucking perfect for the part.

i absolutely love that casting.

FondestMemory

06/18/07, 01:09 PM

I'm just glad Keanu turned down the role of Dr. Manhattan (allegedly due to $). I really hope they make him CGI and get the king of CGI Doug Jones to play the part. As for the comedian, I think they should stick with Gerard Butler. I think he would be great. I wonder why we still haven't heard any casting rumors on the Silk Spectre 2.

doug jones doesn't really do cgi. he's the king of getting covered in a shit ton of makeup.

andy serkis is the king of cgi, and i had heard an early rumor that they were considering him being dr. manhattan and making him cgi.

eMart

06/18/07, 02:56 PM

doug jones doesn't really do cgi. he's the king of getting covered in a shit ton of makeup.

andy serkis is the king of cgi, and i had heard an early rumor that they were considering him being dr. manhattan and making him cgi.
You are too correct. I posted my comments in a hurry over my excitement of hearing Keanu not doing the role. Still, I feel covering him up in a shit load of make up will be the perfect casting choice. I think he did great as the Silver Sufer (despite the movie being horrible)

FondestMemory

06/18/07, 03:18 PM

there's so many names floating out there right now.

along with tom jane, nathan fillion and ron perlman are also thrown out there for the comedian. as much as i love fillion, perlman is perfect for the part. unless snyder throws every one for a loop and casts dolph lundgren.

and the only rumor i've even heard for female casting is jennifer garner possibly playing laurie. i hope to hell that's not true. i don't think it is, yet. i don't buy that or the haley one yet. but the haley one i think is me not wanting to believe it.

JIMMYateEARTH

06/18/07, 03:29 PM

Handy Man

06/19/07, 06:44 AM

Handy Man

06/19/07, 06:48 AM

hey people...check it, then (again)

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=240747

buysoap

06/19/07, 06:58 AM

I just ordered the Watchmen Absolute Edition.
What's in this?

buysoap

06/19/07, 07:00 AM

doug jones doesn't really do cgi. he's the king of getting covered in a shit ton of makeup.

andy serkis is the king of cgi, and i had heard an early rumor that they were considering him being dr. manhattan and making him cgi.
I would prefer Jones. Look at him in Silver Surfer. Look at him in Hellboy. Look at him in Pan's Labyrinth. The man is GREAT, and if all the characters he played were strictly CGI, those movies would not look as good. Excessive use of CGI is the downfall of modern cinema, in my opinion, and I think, with Watchmen, where it's a very different type of comic, most importantly in that it's super heroes that are real, Doug Jones is the better choice over Andy Serkis, because I think a CGI'd Manhattan would not be as good as just a guy in blue make up. So my votes for Jones.

FondestMemory

06/19/07, 07:11 AM

i agree, i'd prefer jones. i think he'd be awesome.

Handy Man

06/20/07, 03:46 AM

still didn't figure how veidt can stop bullets.

Handy Man

06/20/07, 03:50 AM

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/movies/other/004754626.cfm

THE CONQUERING HERO
After slaying the box office with the shocking, record-setting success of '300,' director Zack Snyder carves out his next project with 'Watchmen' and... a '300' sequel?
By Mike Cotton
Posted June 18, 2007 1:45 PM

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It’s right there at his fingertips.

“The studio bought me an Aston Martin,” Snyder says almost sheepishly about the car made famous by the James Bond flicks, “which was really nice of them.”

Those are the perks that come when you craft a film that takes the whole industry by storm, rocketing out of the gate to a jaw-dropping, March record-setting $70.9 million opening weekend en route to an over $200 million domestic take…and counting.

Now the world has changed for Snyder, way beyond just his gym buddies being impressed with him as that guy who “went to Montreal and made that insane movie”—“300” has propelled to the front of the conversation when it comes to discussing the greatest comic book films ever made, joining “Spider-Man,” the original “Superman” and Miller’s “Sin City.” But “300” vindicated Snyder’s vision as well, a vision that began with his unrelenting remake of the George Romero classic “Dawn of the Dead.” In fact, Snyder admitted he would’ve considered “300” a success if it approached “Dawn’s” $27 million opening weekend. Instead, Snyder’s vision resulted in the shocking success of a film that many thought was too niche and violent for mainstream audiences.

Snyder proved that an R-rated action film can translate into big box office—the Green Bay, Wis. native insists on only making restricted, adult-oriented films, and he refused to budge when Warner Bros. wanted “300” softened for a more family-friendly PG-13 rating. “90 percent of my budget restraints [on the $60-million production] came from the R rating,” Snyder explains.
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The 41-year-old director demonstrated he didn’t need a household name to carry the project, that an unknown actor like Gerard Butler (Spartan King Leonidas) could capture the audience’s imagination in the right vehicle. Snyder also remained steadfast that, because of the great source material, “300” could score big with audiences despite the lackluster efforts of previous sword-and-sandals epics such as “Kingdom of Heaven” and “Alexander.”

Now, the world is wide open for Snyder, as he gears up for the beginning of production of “Watchmen” in September, based on writer Alan Moore and artist Dave Gibbons’ 12-issue, mature DC Comics series that deconstructed the superhero comic genre. The arguments about “Watchmen” being rated R, about how a multilayered series can work on the big screen, about Snyder having a free hand with the creative vision…well, you can count on Snyder flexing a little more muscle when it comes to those conversations. Or as one successful Hollywood director puts it after seeing “300’s” opening numbers, “Warners will let Snyder do what whatever the f--- he wants now.” (“It’s not as true as you would think,” counters Snyder.)

For a few precious moments, Snyder gets to bask in the afterglow of the classic “300” he created, before he dives headlong into “Watchmen,” a film that’s been in and out of development for over a decade. He carries the oversized Absolute Edition of the series with him wherever he goes, redrawing the graphic novel frame by frame as he works out how the movie will look and be shot. It’s his new all-consuming passion, and the creation of it absorbs all his waking moments.

That is, when Warner Bros. isn’t calling to ask him an expected question.

“There is pressure to do a sequel to ‘300’,” sighs Snyder. “Personally, I don’t know that I have an idea in my head as to what to do with that. Frank would have to write it and I would have to think it was a good idea and I would have to know what I’m doing next. People have asked me if there was a sequel to ‘Dawn of the Dead’ and I said, ‘Well, if you know anything about what happens to the Spartans, maybe there is a way to combine the two movies.”

Then he adds with a laugh: “Like, ‘Tonight we dine on brains’ and the Spartans rise from the dead.”
WIZARD: Exactly how much did the success of “300” help get “Watchmen” going?

SNYDER: On one hand [Warner Bros. is] like, “Oh my God, your movie was awesome. It’s about to gross $200 million domestic. It’s a freak show.” On the other hand they’re like, “Oh, wait. You did ‘300?’ I remember that movie. That was cool. That was good. It was all right and it did okay.” They have selective memory when it comes to these things.

Because of your success, do you have more latitude now in “Watchmen’s” rating, the level of violence, the budget or even setting it in the ’80s?
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When you were working on “300,” there was a lot of talk about the violence, making it rated R, the source material not being that well known. Was it personally gratifying to not only make it all work, but to make it a hit?

It’s funny because I’ve been asked whether we expected it to be such a big hit. I had hoped it would make as much money on its opening weekend as “Dawn” did. “Dawn” did pretty well. I think it made $27 million that opening weekend. We considered that pretty successful for our little zombie flick. That was the hope [for “300”] and then to have it just blow up like it did was really surprising and exciting.
Was there something that stood out for you that was the most personally gratifying about how well it did?

To me, the thing it told me was that if you make a movie that doesn’t compromise, it really does say to an audience that there is a reason to go to the movies. That’s what we tried to do. To me it was all about saying, “Hey, this is a reason to go to the movies. I know you all have 50-inch plasmas at home. I know if you want you can just stay home and have a great cinematic experience.” In my way of thinking we’re trying to do something even bigger than that. We’re trying to take you to a place you haven’t been to before.

What did you make of the political fallout of the movie? Some liberals accused the film of warmongering and Iran was upset because of the way Persians were represented.
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Did you see any of that coming?

Honestly, I didn’t. My impression was that ancient Persia was 2,500 years ago, [this is] a stylized film and that everyone would get that it was just a movie. People were like, “Why did you make Xerxes look like that?” I said, “Well, I went with what Frank said.” I think sometimes people read more into things that aren’t there.

It seems the political reaction to it was more surprising than the box office.

Yeah, and it’s funny because there are a lot of misconceptions now about me. Look, I’m not Jewish. People think I am, and they’re like, “‘300’ is a Jewish conspiracy. I can see Snyder consulting with the Jewish mafia to make this movie anti-Persian.”

Was the R rating a big factor for Warner Bros.?

90 percent of my budget came from the R rating. I mean, my budget restraints. They were like, “‘First of all, obscure graphic novel.” When we said we wanted to make 300, that it was an obscure Frank Miller book, they said, “Okay, Frank Miller we know. But 300, we don’t know what that is.” Then they said, “Okay, but at least you’re going to have a movie star in the movie, right? I mean, please…” I was like, “Well, no. We’re not going to have a movie star.” They said, “Okay, well at least it can be rated PG-13 so that we can market it and try to sell it, right?” “No, it’s going to be R.” They were just like, “What are you doing here? You’re killing us!”

When you saw “300” was a big hit, what was your first conversation with Frank Miller like?

You know, I think between Frank and I it’s all about…it’s not that we knew, but it’s a nice indication to share his vision, at least for me anyway. That is a nice thing to be able to do and have, to be able to say, “You know what, the way we’ve approached and executed it has made it worthwhile in a way.”

Now Frank says he hopes this is the last time another filmmaker directs a script based on his comics…

Listen, as far as I’m concerned, if Frank ever wrote a sequel and said, “You know what would be cool? If Zack [directed] it.” That would be really an honor. As far as I’m concerned, Frank has created these incredible works, and if I were Frank, and I had directed a movie, I would say the same thing he is. I would be like, “What do you mean? I’m going to just pawn my freaking awesome things off on other directors? I don’t think so.”

What made you sneak the Rorschach image into the “300” trailer?

That image is the kind of thing where I said, “Let’s just see if people see it. It’ll be fun if people find it.” I had a $100 bet with my wife that people were going to find it right away, and she said, “No one is going to find it.”
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No, they did not.

Was there any fallout?

Were they mad? They weren’t mad. I think any news is good news for them. If people are going to talk about it, then it’s good for them.

After the studio pretty much gave you free reign on “300,” do you expect much of their involvement on “Watch-men?” It seems like all eyes are going be on you now as the new “it” guy.

In some ways I had a free hand with “300.” They didn’t really mess with me, but they just didn’t give me any money. It’s the same thing with “Watchmen.” I think in the end they’ll let me do what I want, but what it’s going to come down to how much they’ll spend. People think, “Oh, they’re just going to let him do whatever he wants.” Look, “300” is going to make almost $400 million worldwide and who knows where it’ll end up? It hasn’t even opened in Japan yet, and there is a chance the Japanese will like the movie. I don’t know. I feel the DVD will be successful, too because “300” is a movie people will see repeatedly, and to me that translates into people buying the disc rather than renting it. Maybe I’m crazy though, but I think that’s the type of potential it has. Who knows though?

It seems like the success of “300” would lead everyone to believe that a “Watchmen” movie can work…

My point is when it comes to “Watchmen” and how much money we’re going to get, you have to ask what the appetite is for an R-rated movie as far as the budget goes. With “Watchmen,” from a marketing standpoint and as a filmmaker—the movie and the marketing are the same thing to me—I think, “Okay, what shots are going to be in the trailer? What images can tell people to come to see the movie?” If you don’t look at your movie that way, you’re naïve to the process. Unless you don’t care at all about success and you just say, “You know what? I’m making an art film. If no one goes and sees it then f--- them! I don’t care.” On the other hand, if you ever want to make another movie, then you’re in trouble if you don’t look at it from the standpoint of, “What are the images I need here?” Dr. Manhattan walking through Vietnam 200 feet tall, the Comedian riding with the 50-caliber rifle and shooting at the Viet Cong and burning out the village…

Those images seem pretty compelling for a teaser trailer.

Those images are going to be like, “What the f---?” Or you have Rorschach being taken down by the SWAT cops—that’s a cool sequence. There are a hundred of those types of things, but…not only are they superhero images, but they’re also images that challenge you in the same way the movie will. In a marketing way, it’s something that challenges you in terms of everything that you think a superhero is, but in a cool way it’s still spectacle and moving. When you see the trailer for “Watchmen” you go, “Holy sh--! That’s insane. I have to see that.” That to me is something I believe “Watchmen” has, that potential. It’s just about how much the studio is willing to risk on that—or well, I think they believe that.
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Would you be interested in going back to the horror genre or are you going to mix it up?

We have that “Army of the Dead” movie we’re developing, and I think that can be fun. So I do have an interest in that. I think those movies have enormous potential. They’re great fun. So yeah, I think horror is certainly a cool genre. I happen to be a little bit more of an action geek. I tend to go more toward that direction with my personal tastes, toward some big, crazy, never-before-seen action thing.

After “300” and “Watchmen,” is there a third comic book or graphic novel property you’d like to make into a film to complete your comic book movie trilogy?

You know, there isn’t really. I look at it more in terms of the authors than I do the books. If people look at basically what I’ve done so far it’s been George Romero, Frank Miller and Alan Moore, which is pretty crazy. I think I’m going to need to rest.
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Handy Man

06/20/07, 07:47 AM

ok, i'll post my cast suggestions here again:

NITE OWL/DAN DREIBERG

Arie Verveen

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/HH/0895083/headshot_new.jpg (http://us.imdb.com/gallery/hh/0895083/iid_1023945.jpg.html?seq=4)

RORSCHACH/WALTER KOVACS

Jackie Earl Haley

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/29/15/91/10f.jpg (http://imdb.com/gallery/granitz/5483/PhyllisSom_Kambo_11623307_400.jpg.h tml?path=pgallery&path_key=Somerville%2C%20Phyllis&seq=2)

http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2006/10/05/haley.jpg

DR. MANHATTAN/JON OSTERMANN

Julian Sands

http://24freak.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/bierko.jpg

SILK SPECTRE/LAURIE JUSPECZYK

Frances O'Connor

[/URL]http://www.filmbug.com/images/people/186074.jpg

OZYMANDIAS/ADRIAN VEIDT

Brad Pitt

http://atuleirus.weblog.com.pt/arquivo/1151919748_5.jpg

COMEDIAN/Edward Blake

Gerard Butler

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8157/55780083a12002bta7hv.jpg

LAURIE'S MOM/THE ORIGINAL SILK SPECTRE

Susan Sarandon

[URL="http://www.imdb.com/gallery/scrapbook/111/nm0000215_5.jpg.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Sarandon%2C%20Susan&seq=2"]http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Sbk/111/nm0000215_6.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/1010/oconnor_frances.html?path=pgallery&path_key=O'Connor%2C%20Frances%20(I I)&seq=2)

HOLLIS MASON/Original Night Owl

Robert Redford

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/6163/RobertRed_Steph_14166379_400.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/6163/RobertRed_Steph_14166392_400.jpg.ht ml?path=pgallery&path_key=Redford%2C%20Robert%20(I)&seq=2)

FondestMemory

06/20/07, 07:51 AM

nite owl's already been cast perfectly.

Handy Man

06/20/07, 09:49 AM

i'm just curious to see how they're gonna make pat wilson look fat.

FondestMemory

06/20/07, 10:37 AM

he's not fat as in overweight, he's just kind of let himself go for a few years.

it won't be hard.

Handy Man

06/21/07, 06:55 AM

oh, damn, why didn't we never think about that?

RORSCHACH/WALTER KOVACS

Timothy Hutton

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/5896/TimothyHut_Count_13220994_400.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/5896/13220857_400.jpg.html?path=pgallery &path_key=Hutton%2C%20Timothy&seq=2)

http://entimg.msn.com/i/150/Movies/Actors2/Hutton_JW0025898_150x200.jpg

http://art.transindex.ro/images/__leo/hetikep/kepeslap/im301.jpg

Handy Man

06/28/07, 06:39 AM

new rumours about watchmen casting.

NEW RUMOURS FOR WATCHMEN CASTING!

well, this is it: i got that info from a brazilian 'cool stuff' web site, Omelete (www.omelete.com.br (http://www.omelete.com.br/)), but it referred to another of the same content, Filmick, however, searching for that site, i couldn't find any link, nothing, nor google or any other search site. if anyone knows its whereabouts, please post the link with the new.

according to omelete, Filmick claims that it's an non-official information, but its reliable source gives it a '100% sure', as well as a russian movies gossip site, publishing the same info.

for now, here it comes the new list

Silk Spectre - Kate Winslet (hmmm...no)

Patrick Wilson - Nite Owl (where's Arie Verveen? hehee...)

Jason Patric - Doc Manhattan

Jude Law - Ozymandias (where's Brad Pitt?)

Thomas Jane - Comedian

Jeremy Irons - Moloch

Virginia Madsen - Sally Jupiter

Jonah Hill - Seymour (the newspaper guy?)

http://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/X/J/N/hillaccepted1.jpg

Henry Gibson - Mr. Figure

http://www.nndb.com/people/594/000025519/henry-gibson.jpg

ahahahah! I knew it! i told ya!!! i posted it before, in my topic about my suggestions for watchmen!

William Fichtner - Detective Fine

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/Prison_Break/Images/william-fichtner-1.jpg

Noah Emmerich - Captain Metropolis

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/new_line_cinema/little_children/noah_emmerich/nyfest.jpg

he quite seems like 'i'll look 80's forever'. yeah, good choice.

Gretchen Mol - Janey Slater

http://www.nndb.com/people/592/000044460/mol-43.jpg

annnnd....no Rorschach! we'll have to wait.

Adeniz19

06/28/07, 09:49 AM

i can't believe jonah might be in this. just rose my excitement level

Handy Man

06/28/07, 10:07 AM

i dunno him...is he good?

oh and the evidence that i suggested henry gibson before (heheh):

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=240747&page=6

who gives a damn?

Adeniz19

06/28/07, 10:32 AM

he's the fat kid from the ebay store in 40 yr virgin, he was in Knocked Up and has his own movie coming out SuperBad.

Handy Man

06/28/07, 10:37 AM

yikes! never heard of...well...if zach likes him...

FondestMemory

06/28/07, 11:24 AM

i can't believe jonah might be in this. just rose my excitement level

especially for that part. i could totally see that working.

i mean, not a big part at all, like two scenes. but still, he's great for it.

not sure how much of any of that i buy though.

FondestMemory

06/28/07, 11:32 AM

acutally, upon further looking into it, they might be somewhat legit.

i like winslet a lot. never would have thought of her for janie, but she's a damn good actress, so i have no doubt she'll be able to pull it off.

i still don't see the appeal of patric for john, and i'm not liking the choice of virginia madsen.

but everybody else seems pretty dead on, so i'll give him the benefit of the doubt on those.

i just really hope the rorschach rumors aren't true at all.

Handy Man

06/28/07, 11:32 AM

hmmm...why haven't we got any rorschach rumour so far? could they have been reading this and appreciated my timothy hutton suggestion and kicked jackie's ass?

Adeniz19

06/28/07, 01:17 PM

especially for that part. i could totally see that working.

i mean, not a big part at all, like two scenes. but still, he's great for it.

not sure how much of any of that i buy though.thats the news stand guy right? i thought it would of been someone older but I can totally see jonah playing it and just sort of being the comic relief. i wonder if they are going to use the pirate comic thing at all. i really need to re-read this.

FondestMemory

06/28/07, 02:24 PM

thats the news stand guy right? i thought it would of been someone older but I can totally see jonah playing it and just sort of being the comic relief. i wonder if they are going to use the pirate comic thing at all. i really need to re-read this.

no, not the newstand guy. the errand boy at the newspaper. he's really only in two scenes. when rorschach mails the journal, and at the very end when it resurfaces.

as far as the pirate comic, snyder's said he wants to film it, but i think using it would just hold back the film. i still want the newstand as part of it, because i like the idea of getting to know some of the city's regular people, makes the ending that much more impactful. but for the comic, i just don't see how it'd be able to flow without taking away from the actual important story.

Handy Man

06/29/07, 04:10 AM

way to go, fondest memory.

about virginia madsen: just take watchmen's issue number 2. there's a moment when laurie and sally are discussing and she's distracted, looking at a comedian's (younger - btw, he really resembles thomas jane) pic, and then se goes 'ahn?' after laurie is asking her something. virginia is there. just pay attention.

EndlessMike

07/02/07, 08:43 AM

http://www.rorschachsjournal.com/

IAPAI

07/02/07, 10:53 AM

http://www.rorschachsjournal.com/

this is going to be an awesome campaign

Handy Man

07/02/07, 11:16 AM

is that official?? i couldn't see it here, it's blocked

IAPAI

07/02/07, 11:42 AM

is that official?? i couldn't see it here, it's blocked

It's just this picture :
http://admin.type40marketing.com/uploaded/gallery/29//s2/media/rr.jpg

and an email link to rorschach@rorschachsjournal.com

EndlessMike

07/02/07, 01:13 PM

Did anyone send anything to that e-mail address?