35 Essential Albums 2001-2007

[wesgemm08]

So we had this thread in the general forum a week or two ago, but it turned into a giant chat thread, so I figured I'd try this hear. Comment, post your own album opinions, whatever.


MY Essential Albums 2001-2007 (http://rateyourmusic.com/list/wesgemm08/my_essential_albums_2001_2007)

[x togepi x]

pretty good list.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

Overall, it's a decent list. Can't say I agree with all of it. Nice to see c&ca up near the top along with MV so there isn't much complaints on my side.

[Broken Parachute]

Good list.

[Branevember31]

I like everything on that list that I've heard

[Saves The Night]

well stay what you are made the list and so did in keeping secrets...so i am happy. good list.

[LendMeYourBrain]

Gospel is number 1?

[wesgemm08]

Gospel is number 1?

Thats what it says.

[The Revisionist]

Man, we have different tastes in music.

[LendMeYourBrain]

Thats what it says.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[youcomebeforeyo]

Everything I know on that list I can agree with.

[chrisPAIN]

brand new's last 2 cds
from here to infirmary
jew- bleed american/futures
burn piano island
decemberists- picaresque
killers- sams town
showbread- no sir nihilism isnt practical
new pornographers- twin cinema and electric version
supergrass greatest hits
ryan adams- gold
anberlin- cities
soco- leaving through the window
american idiot
youth group- casino twilight dogs
sufjan stevens- illiniose
source tags and codes
deloused in the comatorium
the artist in the ambulance
shins- chutes too narrow
rx bandits- the resignation
fountains of wayne- welcome interstate managers
emery- the question
dcfc- transatlanticism
beck- guero
arctic monkeys- whatever people...
format- dog problems

well thats about 35 im too tired to count

[takingshots]

I'm bad at lists. I change my mind too often. I can hardly manage just doing one for my AOTY.

[Troggy]

So we had this thread in the general forum a week or two ago, but it turned into a giant chat thread, so I figured I'd try this hear. Comment, post your own album opinions, whatever.


MY Essential Albums 2001-2007 (http://rateyourmusic.com/list/wesgemm08/my_essential_albums_2001_2007)

Better than the original list. There are some pretty important albums on there.

[Tom M Delonge]

There is no way that 35 albums are ESSENTIAL!

The only album that matters is LED ZEPPELIN IV

[TakeLotsWithAlcohol]

There is no way that 35 albums are ESSENTIAL!

The only album that matters is LED ZEPPELIN IV



Yes, because IV was released between 2001-2007.

[wesgemm08]

Yes, because IV was released between 2001-2007.

LOL-erskates

[Tom M Delonge]

Yes, but no album released in 2001 - 2007 is ESSENTIAL - get real!

[Justin_stacy]

Yes, but no album released in 2001 - 2007 is ESSENTIAL - get real!

Ya, BLINK and ZEPPELIN all the way.....:lol:

[wesgemm08]

Yes, but no album released in 2001 - 2007 is ESSENTIAL - get real!

Maybe with the styles of music you listen to.

[myjokesmakeucry]

i have way too much time today

here is mine in no order

postal service-give up

death cab- trans

death cab- plans

cursive- ugly organ

dashboard- places

jew- bleed american

say anything- is a real boy

copeland- beneath medicine tree

std-stay what you are

brand new- deja

brand new- your favorite weapon

tbs- tell all your friends

further seems forever- the moon is down

alk 3- from here to infirmary

bright eyes- lifted

the weakerthans-Reconstruction Site

hot rod circuit- sorry about tomorrow

wilco-Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

johnny cash-American IV: The Man Comes Around

rilo kiley- the execution of all things

rilo kiley-take offs and landings

the starting line-say it like you mean it

fall out boy- take this to your grave

tegan and sara- so jealous

the stereo-Rewind + Record

onelinedrawing-visitor

ozma-rock and roll pt 3

the promise ring-wood/water

the good life-album of the year

he movielife-Forty Hour Train Back to Penn

the get up kids-on a wire

the format-Interventions and Lullabies

the honoarary title- Anything Else But the Truth

john ralston-needle bed

ben folds-rockin the suburbs

[Saves The Night]

There is no way that 35 albums are ESSENTIAL!

The only album that matters is LED ZEPPELIN IVzomgz u r so core ect. i wuz jus gunna post tat myselvz. U r omg s0 hawt ampersands cool.

Yes, because IV was released between 2001-2007.I see what you did there....you brought what we in the industry like to call - the "br00tal pwn"

Yes, but no album released in 2001 - 2007 is ESSENTIAL - get real!
son you got pwnd. go back to making the best album of the last 30 years Tom Delonge. Oh and while your at it, tell the boys in AVA that they fucking suck.

Ps. you are a real douchbag...who names their username after tom delonge?

[Saves The Night]

i have way too much time today

here is mine in no order

postal service-give up

death cab- trans

death cab- plans

cursive- ugly organ

dashboard- places

jew- bleed american

say anything- is a real boy

copeland- beneath medicine tree

std-stay what you are

brand new- deja

brand new- your favorite weapon

tbs- tell all your friends

further seems forever- the moon is down

alk 3- from here to infirmary

bright eyes- lifted

the weakerthans-Reconstruction Site

hot rod circuit- sorry about tomorrow

wilco-Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

johnny cash-American IV: The Man Comes Around

rilo kiley- the execution of all things

rilo kiley-take offs and landings

the starting line-say it like you mean it

fall out boy- take this to your grave

tegan and sara- so jealous

the stereo-Rewind + Record

onelinedrawing-visitor

ozma-rock and roll pt 3

the promise ring-wood/water

the good life-album of the year

he movielife-Forty Hour Train Back to Penn

the get up kids-on a wire

the format-Interventions and Lullabies

the honoarary title- Anything Else But the Truth

john ralston-needle bed

ben folds-rockin the suburbsthis list is exquisite!

[Shatter590]

hmmm...

Coheed- Second Stage Turbine Blade
Midtown- Living Well is The Best Revenge
Finch- What it is to Burn
RX Bandits- Progress
Thursday- Full Collapse/War All The Time
Taking Back Sunday- Tell All Your Friends


those would be my additions to the already impressive lists.

[duhpunk]

in no particular order:

The Ataris- So Long, Astoria
Green Day- Warning
Starting Line- Say it Like You Mean It
Rufio- Comfort of Home
Unwritten Law- Here's to the Mourning
Yellowcard- Ocean Avenue
Get Up Kids- On a Wire
Underoath- They're Only Chasing Safety
Between the Buried and Me- Alaska
Say Anything- Is a Real Boy
Taking Back Sunday- Tell All Your Friends
Brand New- Deja Entendu
Coheed and Cambria- In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth 3
The Early November- For All of This
The Movielife- Forty Hour Train Back to Penn
Boy Sets Fire- After the Eulogy
All That Remains- This Darkened Heart
Spill Canvas- One Fell Swoop
AFI- Sing the Sorrow
All-American Rejects- s/t
Bad Religion- The Empire Strikes First
Funeral for a Friend- Hours
Thrice- Artist in the Ambulance
Saves the Day- Stay What You Are
Sugarcult- Start Static
Reggie and the Full Effect- Under the Tray
New Found Glory- Sticks and Stones
Fall Out Boy- Take this To Your Grave
Zebrahead- MFZB
Blink 182- Take Off Your Pants and Jacket
Motion City Soundtrack- I Am the Movie
Less Than Jake- Anthem
Something Corporate- Leaving Through the Window
Quietdrive- When All That's Left is You
Rise Against- The Sufferer and the Witness

[Shatter590]

in no particular order:

AFI- Sing the Sorrow
Bad Religion- The Empire Strikes First
Rise Against- The Sufferer and the Witness

not to complain, but id rank Art of Drowning, Process of Belief and Siren Song higher than these.

[duhpunk]

not to complain, but id rank Art of Drowning, Process of Belief and Siren Song higher than these.

yeah, i had a few that were tossups. i wasn't a huge fan of Art of Drowning, but the other 2 are good as well.

[hailthewarrior]

i'd get tons of crap for my list, so why bother?

[duhpunk]

i'd get tons of crap for my list, so why bother?

because we love you? idk...

[hailthewarrior]

hahaha. i'll give five that i havent seen:

emery - the weak's end
mae - destination: beautiful
mewithoutYou - brother, sister
showbread - no sir, nihilism is not practical
mxpx - slowly going the way of the buffalo

[Shatter590]

everyone is telling me to get Slowly Going The Way of the Buffalo...

[duhpunk]

hahaha. i'll give five that i havent seen:

emery - the weak's end
mae - destination: beautiful
mewithoutYou - brother, sister
showbread - no sir, nihilism is not practical
mxpx - slowly going the way of the buffalo


buffalo came out in 98'

but mae is a good honorable mention.

[hailthewarrior]

crap. well... ten years and running then.

[duhpunk]

everyone is telling me to get Slowly Going The Way of the Buffalo...

if you like the old-skool punk sound, get buffalo.

if you prefer, a poppier sound, get Before, Everything, and After.

both great albums imo.

[duhpunk]

crap. well... ten years and running then.

hahaha. you suck. that should hardly count since it's a greatest hits album. i almost put Before, Everything, and After on my list, but i figured someone would give me crap about it.

[Shatter590]

if you like the old-skool punk sound, get buffalo.

if you prefer, a poppier sound, get Before, Everything, and After.

both great albums imo.

I have Before Everything and After, Panic and Life In General.

[duhpunk]

I have Before Everything and After, Panic and Life In General.

awesome. give Buffalo a shot then.

[wesgemm08]

Some of these lists are pretty ridiculous

[Shatter590]

hahaha. you suck. that should hardly count since it's a greatest hits album. i almost put Before, Everything, and After on my list, but i figured someone would give me crap about it.

a lot of people hate that album lol

[duhpunk]

i'd probably feel the same way about yours, considering im not much of a fan of most of the bands on your profile...to each their own.

[duhpunk]

a lot of people hate that album lol

i quite enjoy it:-(

[Shatter590]

i quite enjoy it:-(

i enjoy most of it. to be fair, I havent given Panic a fair shake. But Quit Your Life is an awesome song.

[duhpunk]

i enjoy most of it. to be fair, I havent given Panic a fair shake. But Quit Your Life is an awesome song.

i agree completely. there were a few songs on Panic that i liked, but there weren't many standout tracks. there are only a few songs on BEA that i don't like however.

[MADSTA]

I'd never be able to make a list like this. I'm way too indecisive.

[Shatter590]

i agree completely. there were a few songs on Panic that i liked, but there weren't many standout tracks. there are only a few songs on BEA that i don't like however.

i dont think i ever go past track 10, honestly. I should though, because i dont have any bad feelings for the album at all.

from panic, i only listen to heard that sound and the darkest places.

[duhpunk]

i dont think i ever go past track 10, honestly. I should though, because i dont have any bad feelings for the album at all.

from panic, i only listen to heard that sound and the darkest places.

i liked "Wrecking Hotel Rooms" as well. it didn't sound like anything else from the album. my only thing with that song is that in an interview, Mike said that Mark Hoppus came up with that riff and showed it to him. the truth is, it's almost the same exact thing as the bass intro to "Carousel", but made into chords.

[Shatter590]

i liked "Wrecking Hotel Rooms" as well. it didn't sound like anything else from the album. my only thing with that song is that in an interview, Mike said that Mark Hoppus came up with that riff and showed it to him. the truth is, it's almost the same exact thing as the bass intro to "Carousel", but made into chords.

i love carousel

[duhpunk]

i love carousel

same here. but recycling a riff isn't too cool.

[wesgemm08]

i'd probably feel the same way about yours, considering im not much of a fan of most of the bands on your profile...to each their own.

But I don't see how albums like Sugarcult, AFI, Fall Out Boy, All that Remains, FFAF, and especially Underoath can be considered "essential" for this time period. I realize my list is heavy in screamo and metal, but at least most of the albums are bringing something new or original to the table. And if they aren't original, they are displaying some great talent on the record.

[x togepi x]

i'd probably feel the same way about yours, considering im not much of a fan of most of the bands on your profile...to each their own.

actually, essential albums wouldn't be as opinion based as you think because when considering what's essential, you're not necessarily going with your favorite albums, you're going with ones that make an impact, will be influencing the scene. You would also be as varied as to include releases from different styles of music just to that one who was looking from the future could get a feeling as to what music was like in this time in general.

You just listed a bunch of pop rock bands. His list, while not perfect, is a lot closer to being a good indicator of music in this generation, while yours is essentially compiling what's mainstream.

[Shatter590]

how much of it is influential vs sales impact? because while sing the sorrow may have sold more, art of drowning is often credited as an impact in the "dark pop punk" genre.

[Troggy]

actually, essential albums wouldn't be as opinion based as you think because when considering what's essential, you're not necessarily going with your favorite albums, you're going with ones that make an impact, will be influencing the scene. You would also be as varied as to include releases from different styles of music just to that one who was looking from the future could get a feeling as to what music was like in this time in general.

You just listed a bunch of pop rock bands. His list, while not perfect, is a lot closer to being a good indicator of music in this generation, while yours is essentially compiling what's mainstream.

I agree. This is why i hate arguing with people who think their favorite band is the most important band ever, because 9 times out of 10, they don't matter at all.

[Shatter590]

My favourite band is Radiohead. Who really do fucking matter.

ill definitely agree to the influential part, but i hate radiohead lol

[wesgemm08]

My favourite band is Radiohead. Who really do fucking matter.

If I made it 2000-2007, Kid A would have been top 3. I guess I should have Hail to the Thief in my top 35, but comparing it to some of their past releases, it is weak.

[wesgemm08]

I really like Amnesiac. More so than HTTT.

I put them on about the same level now that I think about it...

Ok Computer > Kid A >>>>>>> The Bends > Amnesiac = HTTT >>> Pablo Honey

[wesgemm08]

Either way, I dont want to think about changing around my list because there are about 30 other albums I could think about putting in 15-35. And 35 is a retarded number to begin with, but if I start going higher it will get out of hand. Including..

Radiohead x2
Converge- You Fail me
Peeping Tom- S/T
Daughters- Canada songs
Pageninetynine- Document #8
The Decemberists
Common

etc. etc. etc

[Broken Parachute]

I'm also an OK Computer fan.

[a speedo model]

I love Gospel.

[nonamesleft]

I'm feeling this list

[WasteofPaint31]

I'd bump Jane Doe up one spot but thats just me

[myantiyou]

I'd bump Jane Doe up one spot but thats just me

Irrevelant, but

your username makes you cool in my book.

[yoyoninjagirl]

nice list. I agree with most of it.

[bootsydan]

wolfmother - wolfmother (only essential because its what retro rock of the 70s sounds like today)
the format - dog problems
bloc party - silent alarm
brand new - deja entendu
brand new - the devil and god are raging inside me
brian wilson - smile
kings of leon - aha shake heartbreak
kings of leon - because of the times
the early november - the mother the mechanic and the path
taking back sunday - tell all your friends
cold war kids - robbers and cowards
straylight run - the needles the space
sufjan stevens - illinois
john butler trio - grand national

i would imagine wilco is pretty essential although from what ive heard, although i havent yet listened to enough of their stuff.

[xidreamofyou32x]

The only band on that list I like is Saves The Day...

[Dan CiTi]

Yes, but no album released in 2001 - 2007 is ESSENTIAL - get real!
Shut up, your new band sucks.

[wesgemm08]

The only band on that list I like is Saves The Day...

Sucks to be your ears

[OnLettingGo]

Brand New - The Devil and God are Raging Inside Me
Brand New - Deja Entendu
Circa Survive - On Letting Go
Straylight Run - The Needles The Space
Dustin Kensrue - Please Come Home
mewithoutYou - Brother, Sister
Circa Survive - Juturna Get Up Kids- On a Wire
Underoath- They're Only Chasing Safety
Thrice - Vhiessu
Thrice - The Artist in the Ambulance
Funeral for a Friend - Hours
Funeral for a Friend - Tales Dont' Tell Themselves
Say Anything - ...Is A Real Boy
Taking Back Sunday - Tell All Your Friends
Taking Back Sunday - Where You Want To Be
Emery - The Question
Bright Eyes - Cassadaga
Bright Eyes - I'm Wide Awake It's Morning
The Movielife - 40 Hour Train
Death Bac - Plans
Promis Ring - Wood/Water
Starting Line - Say it Like You Mean It
Saves the Day - Stay What You Are
The Blood Brothers - Crimes
Elliot Smith - From a Basement on a Hill
Joanna Newsom - The Milk-Eyed Mender
Azure Ray - Hold on Love


There's more but I'm not sure if I went over already.

Edit: Forgot Bloc Party, The Early November and Sufjan Stevens.

[bootsydan]

Oh how could I forget bright eyes?

of course. add bright eyes to my previous list.

[myantiyou]

Oh how could I forget bright eyes?

of course. add bright eyes to my previous list.

:-0

:thumbup:

[Jeer At Rome]

Jimmy Eat World- Bleed American
Alexisonfire- Watch Out
GlassJaw- Worship and Tribute
Manchester Orchestra- I'm Like A Virgin Losing A Child
Idiot Pilot- A Day in the Life of a Poolshark
The Postal Service- Give Up
Death Cab For Cutie- The Photo Album
Death Cab For Cutie- Transatlantism
Taking Back Sunday- Tell All Your Friends
Jimmy Eat World- Futures
Brand New- Deja Entendu
Maritime- We, the vechiles
Head Automatica- Decadance
Feeder- The Singles
Motion City Soundtrack- Commit This To Memory
Finch- What is it to Burn
The Blood Brothers- Young Machetes
Gallows- Orchestra Of Wolves
Saosin- S/T
Dashboard Confessional- Swiss Army Romance
Coheed & Cambria- Good Apollo I'm Burning
Coldplay- Parachutes
The Early November- The rooms too cold
Hundred Reasons- Ideas Above Or Station
Jose Gonzalez- Veneer
The Sound Of Animals fighting- The tiger and the duke
Straylight run- S/T
Thursday- Full Collapse
Thrice- Artist In The Ambulance
Bright Eyes- Digital Ash In A Digital Urn
Say Anything- Is A Real Boy
The Graduate- Anhedonia
Morning Runner- Wilderness is paradise now
The Riverclub- Long Before I Reach The Phone
Dntel- Life Is Full Of Possibilities

[wesgemm08]

Putting up any album by the Blood Bros. other than "...Burn, Piano Island, Burn" is just straight crazy.

[Jeer At Rome]

Well i probably would put it up if i had heard it but i only just a few months ago got into them afer hearing Young Machetes and i really like it.

[Dr. Acula]

The Faint-Danse Macabre
Ben Harper and The Innocent Criminals-Live From Mars
Fugazi-The Argument
Jimmy Eat World-Self Titled
Saves The Day-Stay What You Are
Thursday-Full Collapse
And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead-Source Tags and Codes
Against Me-Reinventing Axl Rose
Bright Eyes-Lifted Or The Story...
Desaparecidos-Read Music/Speak Spanish
Glassjaw-Worship and Tribute
Wilco-Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
AFI-Sing The Sorrow
Cursive-The Ugly Organ
Thursday-War All The Time
Brand New-Deja Entandu
Death Cab For Cutie-Transatlanticism
The Lawrence Arms-The Greatest Story Ever Told
The Mars Volta-Deloused In The Comatorium
The Postal Service-Give Up
The Shins-Chutes Too Narrow
Rx Bandits-The Resignation
Tegan and Sara-So Jealous
Morrissey-You Are The Quarry
The Mars Volta-Frances The Mute
Wilco-Kicking Television: Live in Chicago
Thrice-Vheissu
Underoath-Define The Great Line
Brand New-The Devil and God are Raging Inside Me
The Decemberists-The Crane Wife
The Hold Steady-Boy and Girls in America
Manchester Orchestra-Im Like A Virgin Losing a Child
Say Anything-Is A Real Boy
Straylight Run-The Needles, The Space
Wilco-Sky Blue Sky

[FullCollapse299]

I was about to go down on yah if I didn't see Jane Doe or Full Collapse there. Props on Burn Piano Island, Burn, Cryonics, The Silent Circus, and many others I saw.

[Wobbie]

Maritime- We, the vechiles
We, The Vehicles is a brilliant, very underrated album. The instrumentation is fantasticly written and executed. A brilliant headphone album.

[chrisPAIN]

i havent seen anyone mention Bless The Martyr and Kiss the Child. that album really influenced ll things metalcore since it came out.

[wesgemm08]

i havent seen anyone mention Bless The Martyr and Kiss the Child. that album really influenced ll things metalcore since it came out.

This has to be a joke post

...actually, after evaluating your profile, I am questioning the post. So you should probably immediately visit http://www.myspace.com/botch and then proceed to smash your face on your desk.

[Troggy]

This has to be a joke post

...actually, after evaluating your profile, I am questioning the post. So you should probably immediately visit http://www.myspace.com/botch and then proceed to smash your face on your desk.

man, can't go 5 seconds around here without hearing about botch. there were other important metalcore bands besides just them.

[Jeer At Rome]

We, The Vehicles is a brilliant, very underrated album. The instrumentation is fantasticly written and executed. A brilliant headphone album.

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

You may also want to check out 'Now It's Overhead' great band. Although i cannot remember the title of their album.

[wesgemm08]

man, can't go 5 seconds around here without hearing about botch. there were other important metalcore bands besides just them.

Yes, there were. But when dealing with someone talking about a Norma Jean album being influential, Botch is the obvious band to namedrop.

[Troggy]

Yes, there were. But when dealing with someone talking about a Norma Jean album being influential, Botch is the obvious band to namedrop.

hahaha. yeah. Norma Jean is a joke.

[chrisPAIN]

This has to be a joke post

...actually, after evaluating your profile, I am questioning the post. So you should probably immediately visit http://www.myspace.com/botch and then proceed to smash your face on your desk.

no i don't listen to a ton of heavy music, but i know norma wasn't terribly original when that cd came out but since then tons of bands have ripped off/developed elements of their sound, and the post concerned music in the past 6 years, which mostly came after the release of Martyr. Botch's most influential releases came out before 01, so stop with the whole "tuff guy botch fan on the boards thing". within their genre, norma jean has been extremely influential recently and that album is excellent.

as far as norma being a joke, the 2nd album blew and the hot topic crowd got into them, but Redeemer was awesome, so id say they regained whatever cred they lost.

[wesgemm08]

no i don't listen to a ton of heavy music, but i know norma wasn't terribly original when that cd came out but since then tons of bands have ripped off/developed elements of their sound, and the post concerned music in the past 6 years, which mostly came after the release of Martyr. Botch's most influential releases came out before 01, so stop with the whole "tuff guy botch fan on the boards thing". within their genre, norma jean has been extremely influential recently and that album is excellent.

as far as norma being a joke, the 2nd album blew and the hot topic crowd got into them, but Redeemer was awesome, so id say they regained whatever cred they lost.


All of norma jean is a joke, and they havent been "extremely infuential" to anything remotely important or good in the music scene.

[wesgemm08]

no i don't listen to a ton of heavy music, but i know norma wasn't terribly original when that cd came out but since then tons of bands have ripped off/developed elements of their sound, and the post concerned music in the past 6 years, which mostly came after the release of Martyr. Botch's most influential releases came out before 01, so stop with the whole "tuff guy botch fan on the boards thing". within their genre, norma jean has been extremely influential recently and that album is excellent.

as far as norma being a joke, the 2nd album blew and the hot topic crowd got into them, but Redeemer was awesome, so id say they regained whatever cred they lost.


All of norma jean is a joke, and they havent been "extremely infuential" to anything remotely important or good in the music scene.




...p.s. i'm updating my list.

[Love As Arson]

Put Transistor Transistor and Penfold on your list.

[wesgemm08]

Put Transistor Transistor and Penfold on your list.

Never really got into transistor transistor

[mht]

my followup/response:

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/mht/35_essential_albums_2001_2007


feel free to bash it. but I think I covered majority of genres with an important album in it that is ripped off by most myspace bands today.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

The top 5 were decent choices. Didn't know much of the rest.

[Troggy]

my followup/response:

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/mht/35_essential_albums_2001_2007


feel free to bash it. but I think I covered majority of genres with an important album in it that is ripped off by most myspace bands today.

You have most of your bases covered, but I don't think Sticks and Stones is very essential compared to the earlier new found glory albums...

[Rock]

There is no way that 35 albums are ESSENTIAL!

The only album that matters is LED ZEPPELIN IV
Thanks for your input, Tom.

[mht]

You have most of your bases covered, but I don't think Sticks and Stones is very essential compared to the earlier new found glory albums...


yea but the keyword is essential albums 2001-2007.

think of all the fucking set your goal fireworks this time next year bands out there today and sound like that album [sticks and stones]

[Troggy]

yea but the keyword is essential albums 2001-2007.

think of all the fucking set your goal fireworks this time next year bands out there today and sound like that album [sticks and stones]

yeah good point.

[kearn1tm]

I'd be unable to answer this. I have no idea how to properly judge which albums are essentially. I'm ultimately just be listing my favorites, which probably aren't an accurate portrait of the vast spectrum of music that's been released in the past six years.

[Rearviewmirror]

1. The sufferer and the witness 2006 (Rise against)
2. Let love in 2006 (Goo goo dolls)
3. Meds 2006 (Placebo)
4. Gutterflower 2002 (Goo goo dolls)
5. Kingwood 2005 (Millencolin)
6. Seventeen days 2005 (3 doors down)
7. Sleeping with ghosts 2003 (Placebo)
8. Away from the sun 2002 (3 doors down)
9. American idiot 2004 (Green day)
10.Out of exile 2005 (Audioslave)
11. A rush of blood to the head 2002 (Coldplay)
12. X&Y 2005 (Coldplay)
13. We don't need to whisper 2006 (Angels and airwaves)
14. Blink-182 2003 (Blink-182)
15. Take off your pants and jacket 2001 (Blink-182)
16. Fallen 2003 (Evanescence)
17. Covers 2007 (Placebo)
18. Tyrannosaurus Hives 2004 (The Hives)
19. Toxicity 2001 (System of a down)
20.Let we forget 2004 (Marilyn Manson)
21. Mesmerize 2005 (S.O.A.D.)

Can't come up any other good cd during this period...

[iaminsane20]

how do you do it from the website?

[iaminsane20]

35-The Static Age-Blank Screens
34-The Sound of Animals Fighting-Lover, The Lord Has Left Us
33-A Static Lullaby-A Static Lullaby
32-Hidden in Plain View-Hidden in Plain View
31-Greeley Estates-Outside of This
30-Norma Jean-Redeemer
29-Underoath-The Changing of Times
28-Greeley Estates-Far From the Lies
27-Hellogoodbye-Hellogoodbye
26-Home Grown-Kings of Pop
25-Hidden in Plain View-Resolution
24-MxPx-Let it Happen
23-Valencia-This Could Be a Possibility
22-Saosin-Translating the Name
21-Thursday-A City By the Light Divided
20-Lifetime-Lifetime
19-Chiodos-All's Well That Ends Well
18-Every Time I Die-Gutter Phenomenon
17-Greeley Estates-Caveat Emptor
16-Fear Before the March of Flames-Art Damage
15-Thursday-Full Collapse
14-The Fall of Troy-Doppelganger
13-The Static Age-Neon Nights Electric Lives
12-The Early November-The Room's Too Cold
11-The Fall of Troy-The Fall of Troy
10-Every Time I Die-Hot Damn!
9-Fear Before the March of Flames-The Always Open Mouth
8-The Sound of Animals Fighting-Tiger and the Duke
7-Fear Before the March of Flames-Odd How People Shake
6-Underoath-Define the Great Line
5-Operatic-Killing Us is Easy
4-The Early November-For All of This
3-Underoath-They're Only Chasing Saftey
2-The Fall of Troy-Manipulator
1-Thursday-War All the Time

[wesgemm08]

35-The Static Age-Blank Screens
34-The Sound of Animals Fighting-Lover, The Lord Has Left Us
33-A Static Lullaby-A Static Lullaby
32-Hidden in Plain View-Hidden in Plain View
31-Greeley Estates-Outside of This
30-Norma Jean-Redeemer
29-Underoath-The Changing of Times
28-Greeley Estates-Far From the Lies
27-Hellogoodbye-Hellogoodbye
26-Home Grown-Kings of Pop
25-Hidden in Plain View-Resolution
24-MxPx-Let it Happen
23-Valencia-This Could Be a Possibility
22-Saosin-Translating the Name
21-Thursday-A City By the Light Divided
20-Lifetime-Lifetime
19-Chiodos-All's Well That Ends Well
18-Every Time I Die-Gutter Phenomenon
17-Greeley Estates-Caveat Emptor
16-Fear Before the March of Flames-Art Damage
15-Thursday-Full Collapse
14-The Fall of Troy-Doppelganger
13-The Static Age-Neon Nights Electric Lives
12-The Early November-The Room's Too Cold
11-The Fall of Troy-The Fall of Troy
10-Every Time I Die-Hot Damn!
9-Fear Before the March of Flames-The Always Open Mouth
8-The Sound of Animals Fighting-Tiger and the Duke
7-Fear Before the March of Flames-Odd How People Shake
6-Underoath-Define the Great Line
5-Operatic-Killing Us is Easy
4-The Early November-For All of This
3-Underoath-They're Only Chasing Saftey
2-The Fall of Troy-Manipulator
1-Thursday-War All the Time

lol... this is probably more of a favorite albums list

[mht]

The Fall of Troy 3 fucking times, they did nothing essential. ever. and never will.

[kearn1tm]

Bob Dylan -- "Modern Times"
Brand New -- "Deja Entendu"
Taking Back Sunday -- "Tell All Your Friends"
Death From Above 1979 -- "You're A Woman, I'm A Machine"
Tom Waits -- "Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers and Bastards"
Fall Out Boy -- "Take This To Your Grave"
Jimmy Eat World -- "Bleed American"
Radiohead -- "Hail To The Thief"
The White Stripes -- "Get Behind Me Satan"
Cursive -- "The Ugly Organ"
The Exit -- "Home For An Island"
The Mars Volta -- "Frances The Mute"
The Roots -- "Phrenology"
Glassjaw -- "Worship and Tribute"
Underoath -- "They're Only Chasing Safety"
Senses Fail -- "Let It Enfold You
My Chemical Romance -- "Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge"
The Blood Brothers -- "Crimes"
Belle & Sebastian -- "Dear Catastrophe Waitress"
Head Automatica -- "Decadence"
Brand New -- "The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me"
Bayside -- "Bayside"
Straylight Run -- "The Needles The Space"
Ryan Adams -- "Love is Hell Pt. 1-2"
Handsome Boy Modeling School -- "White People"
Sean Lennon -- "Friendly Fire"
Thursday -- "Full Collapse"
Death Cab For Cutie -- "Transatlanticism"
Alexisonfire -- "Watch Out!
Arctic Monkeys -- "Favourite Worst Nightmare"
Moneen -- "The Red Tree"
Chiodos -- "Alls Well That Ends Well"
The New Pornographers -- "Twin Cinema"
She Wants Revenge -- "She Wants Revenge"
Doves -- "Some Cities"

[mht]

so no metal/metalcore/hardcore has been essential the last 7 years judging by your list?

[kearn1tm]

You totally neglected all genres that weren't what is falsely catergorized as "emo"

Yeah, 'cause Dylan, Waits, Doves, The Exit, Radiohead, The Roots, Handsome Boy Modeling School, Arctic Monkeys, and The New Pornographers are all considered "emo." :-|

[kearn1tm]

so no metal/metalcore/hardcore has been essential the last 7 years judging by your list?

Firstly, nobodies list is the "definitive" given that each list is susceptible to, and predicated upon opinion, which is neither valid nor erroneous.

Secondly, I didn't find metalcore to make as big an impact on the overall musical landscape as the genres/albums I listed did. Again, my opinion based on my own observations.

Thirdly, these comments just prove how impossible making such a list is.

[kearn1tm]

Sticking in a few does not make up for the fact that 24 of your essential albums are "emo" records. You also missed all metal, hardcore, country, reggae, ska, folk and pop. In short you fail miserably.

I fail because I don't meet your "standards?"

Lame.

Also, Belle & Sebastian = indie "folk" as is Sean Lennon. What do you think Dylan and Waits are?

Metal, in my opinion (which this is all subject to) didn't come across as strong in the last six to seven years. It's influence on the overall musical landscape slipped. Hardcore? Well, I have various post Hardcore bands on there (Senses Fail, Underoath, ect.)

Ryan Adams is a "country/folk" hybrid.

Reggae and Ska aren't nearly as relevant as they were in past decades and are much more novelty genres in my humble opinion.

Death Cab, Head Automatica are pop-esque. If the definition of "pop" is Popular Music, much of my pics fit that.

Lets be real here, none of us can make a universal list that encompasses every genre and makes everyone happy. I don't get the whole "I don't agree, therefor he must be wrong and I'm right."

[mht]

Firstly, nobodies list is the "definitive" given that each list is susceptible to, and predicated upon opinion, which is neither valid nor erroneous.

Secondly, I didn't find metalcore to make as big an impact on the overall musical landscape as the genres/albums I listed did. Again, my opinion based on my own observations.

Thirdly, these comments just prove how impossible making such a list is.


Then I don't find any of the shitty music you listed make as big an impact in any musical landscape in the last 7 years.


You said it, not me. Very simple.

[kearn1tm]

Then I don't find any of the shitty music you listed make as big an impact in any musical landscape in the last 7 years.


You said it, not me. Very simple.

Fair enough.

Neither of us is right, nor wrong. We're at the mercy of subjectivity here.

[kearn1tm]

Underoath and Senses Fail wouldn't know hardcore if Henry Rollins spent all day throwing Minor Threat albums at them. They aren't even post hardcore they are shitty pop metal bands ripping off Botch and Grade.

Subgenres are pointless. So is musical elitism. I find Botch to be subpar and poor songwriters. You find Senses Fail to be the same. Who cares? We merely differ in opinions. I won't begin to say you're wrong or insult you and your tastes. Who am I to do so? Conversely, why would you?



He's alt country which isn't real country at all.

I'm so glad we have you to police musical genres/sub genres. Without you, we'd be lost. *sigh* He integrates country elements into his folk music. Country enough to me.



Big D and The Kids Table?

So a band constitutes as relevant? Again, in my humble opinon, these genres are novelty/niche and not neccessarily at the forefront of comtemporary music.



Denied. They are both pop rock.

...

Death Cab rock? I don't see it. But that doesn't negate your opinion either.

Oh, and where's your list? It's much easier to criticize than to create one that will be the subject of scruitiny, isn't it?

[mht]

No because the title of the thread is NOT 35 OF YOUR FAVORITE ALBUMS 2001-2007.


IT'S ESSENTIAL, that means, a lot of genres, and bands whether you like them or not, but can have a brain to recognize some bands for their talent and what they did for bands presently or possibly the future as influences. This about what is considered important as a whole, not what your favorite band is to outline your eyeballs in girls make up in your tight jeans before you go play shitty music.


Your list was horrible for this thread.

[kearn1tm]

No because the title of the thread is NOT 35 OF YOUR FAVORITE ALBUMS 2001-2007.


IT'S ESSENTIAL, that means, a lot of genres, and bands whether you like them or not, but can have a brain to recognize some bands for their talent and what they did for bands presently or possibly the future as influences. This about what is considered important as a whole, not what your favorite band is to outline your eyeballs in girls make up in your tight jeans before you go play shitty music.


Your list was horrible for this thread.

So where's your list?

Furthermore, projecting my pics onto my musical taste is juvenile.

Thirdly, "Essential" doesn't equate to including all genres as a whole, merely the genres, bands, acts, and talent that were essential to the musical overall musical landscape of the last six or so years. Metal didn't have as great an impact as it did in it's prime years. There wasn't a huge metal presence. Moreover, many genres didn't impact music as a whole. Music is a cyclical medium.

So give me your list before you cast stones.

Christ, my intent wasn't to start a verbal spat here, and I'm not intending to offend you, but honestly, if you think your opinion is the template for this sort of thing, I highly suggest finding humility.

[kearn1tm]

I'm not making a list as my knowledge of music is too thin to do it justice.

On a purely technical level, none of us are well-versed enough to make such lists.

However, if you admittedly don't have the knowledge to make a list, that would also translate to criticizing one as well. Now I'm all for disagreeing. For the life of me, some of these lists just seem so foreign to me, but I do recognize that my opinion doesn't negate their lists nor does theirs negate mine.

Ultimately, none of us have the incite nor have we experiences all the albums that comprise the vast spectrum of musical releases over the last six years.

[wesgemm08]

How is botch comparable to senses fail?

[mht]

So where's your list?

Furthermore, projecting my pics onto my musical taste is juvenile.

Thirdly, "Essential" doesn't equate to including all genres as a whole, merely the genres, bands, acts, and talent that were essential to the musical overall musical landscape of the last six or so years. Metal didn't have as great an impact as it did in it's prime years. There wasn't a huge metal presence. Moreover, many genres didn't impact music as a whole. Music is a cyclical medium.

So give me your list before you cast stones.

Christ, my intent wasn't to start a verbal spat here, and I'm not intending to offend you, but honestly, if you think your opinion is the template for this sort of thing, I highly suggest finding humility.


dude I gave my list like a couple pages back, and i dont even listen to half the bands, but I can say and appreciate what they did for the genres, influences and new bands that I actually do enjoy presently over the last 7 years.

[kearn1tm]

dude I gave my list like a couple pages back, and i dont even listen to half the bands, but I can say and appreciate what they did for the genres, influences and new bands that I actually do enjoy presently over the last 7 years.

This adds fuel to my arguement: if you don't listen to the bands you're placing on the list, then you're effectively conveying the same musical ignorance we all are. None of us has the "qualificiations" or the musical knowledge to put together such a list. Furthermore, I'm quite sure the majority of us who made lists placed albums we listened to.

It's such an absurd argument. There isn't a right nor a wrong list in this whole thread. I'm truly not trying to enrage anyone, offend anyone, or come across as argumentative, but none of us are well-versed enough, nor are we completely untainted by our own preferences and the relativity of taste to make an accurate list.

---EDIT: I see your list, sorry about the "calling you out over a lack of list" thing. However, there wasn't much genre spanning diversity there. It was predominantly Metal, Alt Rock, Punk and Pop Punk... a who's who of Alt Press bands. That isn't to say yours is any less or more correct than mine or any other, but c'mon, this wasn't anymore diverse than the essentials I listed. ---

[mht]

HAHAHAHHA did you call MY LIST a who's who of ALT PRESS bands?


Your fucking list has 24 bands that sound the exact same. You have maybe 2 genres on your list if that.


I have about x10 of that on mine. not even meaning to brag, so don't say I am lacking genre on my list. My list was far more diverse and your list is more of a whos who of ALT press shit.

[chrisPAIN]

ehh re-done list

arcade fire/funeral
brand new/deja, weapon, and devil and god
JEW/bleed american and futures
Decemberists/Picaresque
Norma Jean/Bless the martyr
Ryan Adams/Gold and Rock N Roll
Anberlin/Never Take Friendship Personal and Cities
The Shins/Chutes Too Narrow
New Pornographers/Electric Version and Twin Cinema
Thursday/Full Collapse
Death Cab/Transatlanticism
Alkaline Trio/From Here To Infirmary
Thrice-Artist in the Ambulance
Trail of Dead/Source tags and Codes
The Killers/Sams Town
Arctic Monkeys/Whatever People Say I Am
Format/Dog Problems
Showbread/No Sir Nihilism Isnt practical
Beck/Guero
Hold Steady/Boys and Girls In America
Green Day/American idiot
Rx bandits/Resignation
SoCo/Leaving Thru The Window
Sufjan Stevens/Illinois
Fountains of Wayne/Welcome Interstate Managers
Youth Group/Casino Twilight Dogs
Yellowcard/Ocean Avenue
Juliana Theory/Emotion is Dead
Saosin/self titled

[mht]

Bob Dylan -- "Modern Times"
Brand New -- "Deja Entendu"
Taking Back Sunday -- "Tell All Your Friends"
Death From Above 1979 -- "You're A Woman, I'm A Machine"
Tom Waits -- "Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers and Bastards"
Fall Out Boy -- "Take This To Your Grave"
Jimmy Eat World -- "Bleed American"
Radiohead -- "Hail To The Thief"
The White Stripes -- "Get Behind Me Satan"
Cursive -- "The Ugly Organ"
The Exit -- "Home For An Island"
The Mars Volta -- "Frances The Mute"
The Roots -- "Phrenology"
Glassjaw -- "Worship and Tribute"
Underoath -- "They're Only Chasing Safety"
Senses Fail -- "Let It Enfold You
My Chemical Romance -- "Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge"
The Blood Brothers -- "Crimes"
Belle & Sebastian -- "Dear Catastrophe Waitress"
Head Automatica -- "Decadence"
Brand New -- "The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me"
Bayside -- "Bayside"
Straylight Run -- "The Needles The Space"
Ryan Adams -- "Love is Hell Pt. 1-2"
Handsome Boy Modeling School -- "White People"
Sean Lennon -- "Friendly Fire"
Thursday -- "Full Collapse"
Death Cab For Cutie -- "Transatlanticism"
Alexisonfire -- "Watch Out!
Arctic Monkeys -- "Favourite Worst Nightmare"
Moneen -- "The Red Tree"
Chiodos -- "Alls Well That Ends Well"
The New Pornographers -- "Twin Cinema"
She Wants Revenge -- "She Wants Revenge"
Doves -- "Some Cities"


everything made bigger is the SAME FUCKING BAND IN THE SAME GENRE THAT HAS A THOUSAND BETTER BANDS DO THAT SOUND BETTER AND BEFORE that shit was released.

talk about diversity.

And I am pretty sure you could find every little scene band on your list in Alt Press before anything I had on mine.

[indexfor...]

hahaha he listens to Chiodos...hahahaha

[kearn1tm]

HAHAHAHHA did you call MY LIST a who's who of ALT PRESS bands?


Your fucking list has 24 bands that sound the exact same. You have maybe 2 genres on your list if that.


I have about x10 of that on mine. not even meaning to brag, so don't say I am lacking genre on my list. My list was far more diverse and your list is more of a whos who of ALT press shit.

I had rap, country, alternative, post-hardcore, pop punk, singer-songwriter, and folk and hybrids. Yours wasn't any more diverse than mine. Lets be honest here. Yours didn't even begin to touch the overall musical landscape any more than mine.

[kearn1tm]

everything made bigger is the SAME FUCKING BAND IN THE SAME GENRE THAT HAS A THOUSAND BETTER BANDS DO THAT SOUND BETTER AND BEFORE that shit was released.

talk about diversity.

And I am pretty sure you could find every little scene band on your list in Alt Press before anything I had on mine.

Firstly, why are you so hostile with your retorts? I find civility lacking on these boards.

Secondly, yes, there are a lot of bands on my list you'd find in Alt Press too, but if you turn on many of the radio stations in various towns, I highly doubt either of ours influenced or began to cover the vast spectrum of what's out there. Both of our lists are very niche oriented. I think it'd be delusional to think otherwise.

[kearn1tm]

hahaha he listens to Chiodos...hahahaha

Yeah, I do. Awesome band. I dig their stuff tremendously.

[chrisPAIN]

damn forgot mars volta and blood bros on mine.

[chrisPAIN]

everything made bigger is the SAME FUCKING BAND IN THE SAME GENRE THAT HAS A THOUSAND BETTER BANDS DO THAT SOUND BETTER AND BEFORE that shit was released.

talk about diversity.

And I am pretty sure you could find every little scene band on your list in Alt Press before anything I had on mine.

brand new and blood brothers belong regardless. a thousand other bands do the blood brothers' sound better? i've never heard another band who you could mistake for the blood brothers. and please let me know all these bands that do brand new's style better, i must be missing out on some awesome music.

[chrisPAIN]

everything made bigger is the SAME FUCKING BAND IN THE SAME GENRE THAT HAS A THOUSAND BETTER BANDS DO THAT SOUND BETTER AND BEFORE that shit was released.

talk about diversity.

And I am pretty sure you could find every little scene band on your list in Alt Press before anything I had on mine.

double

[White Noise]

Good list.

[kearn1tm]

ehh re-done list

arcade fire/funeral
brand new/deja, weapon, and devil and god
JEW/bleed american and futures
Decemberists/Picaresque
Norma Jean/Bless the martyr
Ryan Adams/Gold and Rock N Roll
Anberlin/Never Take Friendship Personal and Cities
The Shins/Chutes Too Narrow
New Pornographers/Electric Version and Twin Cinema
Thursday/Full Collapse
Death Cab/Transatlanticism
Alkaline Trio/From Here To Infirmary
Thrice-Artist in the Ambulance
Trail of Dead/Source tags and Codes
The Killers/Sams Town
Arctic Monkeys/Whatever People Say I Am
Format/Dog Problems
Showbread/No Sir Nihilism Isnt practical
Beck/Guero
Hold Steady/Boys and Girls In America
Green Day/American idiot
Rx bandits/Resignation
SoCo/Leaving Thru The Window
Sufjan Stevens/Illinois
Fountains of Wayne/Welcome Interstate Managers
Youth Group/Casino Twilight Dogs
Yellowcard/Ocean Avenue
Juliana Theory/Emotion is Dead
Saosin/self titled

For the most part, I really like your list.

[mht]

I had rap, country, alternative, post-hardcore, pop punk, singer-songwriter, and folk and hybrids. Yours wasn't any more diverse than mine. Lets be honest here. Yours didn't even begin to touch the overall musical landscape any more than mine.


Chiodos and Underoath and really every band on that list did nothing essential in these 7 years.


You do not have 1 real or legitimate post hardcore band on your list and your rap is barely rap, the roots? doesn't even compare to all the rap out there the past 7 years. uhh your country/folk/singer songwriter is like 1 artist, that does all 3, so really counts as one. You just need to man up and face the facts you have like 24 of the same band on your list. You have all rock/pop/mainstream scene music you can find in Wal Mart.


I had far more genres on my list than yours( rock, post rock, drone, pop punk, emo, screamo, post hardcore, hardcore, metalcore, metal, indie, progessive, punk etc etc)


I doubt you have even heard of half the bands I listened to or realized if it werent for some of them half your list wouldn't exist.

[kearn1tm]

Chiodos and Underoath and really every band on that list did nothing essential in these 7 years.


You do not have 1 real or legitimate post hardcore band on your list and your rap is barely rap, the roots? doesn't even compare to all the rap out there the past 7 years. uhh your country/folk/singer songwriter is like 1 artist, that does all 3, so really counts as one. You just need to man up and face the facts you have like 24 of the same band on your list. You have all rock/pop/mainstream scene music you can find in Wal Mart.


I had far more genres on my list than yours( rock, post rock, drone, pop punk, emo, screamo, post hardcore, hardcore, metalcore, metal, indie, progessive, punk etc etc)


I doubt you have even heard of half the bands I listened to or realized if it werent for some of them half your list wouldn't exist.

I find it amusing that the majority of your "music spanning genres" that are essential to music in general are all variations of metal or rock. You don't have any country. Where's your rap representation? Your folk? Your country? Your neo-soul? Your blues? Your more mainstream worthy stuff? Your list will inspire a very small section of music that, again, is hardly relevant or essential to the overall view spectrum that is the medium of audible music. Sure, I also have a good deal of scene or niche stuff, but I also branch off into more accessible, music-spanning sounds that aren't aggressive sub-genres that command one audience only (though most of my stuff does fall within that category).

Seriously, this argument is foolish, as both our lists are hardly essential or genre spanning. The fac tthat we keep feeding into this inane argument is also rather absurd. You know, at least I actually acknowledge the fact that it's near impossible to create an infallible guide to essential albums, whereas you on the other hand have this self-deluded, arrogant mindset that your list is the archetype for "Essential." Honestly, I'm not trying to start shit, and the last thing I want to do is offend you, but I would advise getting over yourself.

*cue excessively aggressive and insulting retort in which the cycle of argumenative excrement that's spewed from both sides begins anew*


PS: the majority of my list was much more directly influenced by the Washington Hardcore scene and the bands that made up similar sounds of the late '80s, defined by such luminaries as Fugazi, Black Flag, and Rite of Springs, the mid '90s 2nd wave of Emo, and bands like Texas is The Reason, Jawbreaker, and Lifetime, and the punk genre that predates all of it, and such groundbreaking acts as Richard Hell and The Voidoids, The Stooges, ect.

[mht]

I find it amusing that the majority of your "music spanning genres" that are essential to music in general are all variations of metal or rock. You don't have any country. Where's your rap representation? Your folk? Your country? Your neo-soul? Your blues? Your more mainstream worthy stuff? Your list will inspire a very small section of music that, again, is hardly relevant or essential to the overall view spectrum that is the medium of audible music. Sure, I also have a good deal of scene or niche stuff, but I also branch off into more accessible, music-spanning sounds that aren't aggressive sub-genres that command one audience only (though most of my stuff does fall within that category).

Seriously, this argument is foolish, as both our lists are hardly essential or genre spanning. The fac tthat we keep feeding into this inane argument is also rather absurd. You know, at least I actually acknowledge the fact that it's near impossible to create an infallible guide to essential albums, whereas you on the other hand have this self-deluded, arrogant mindset that your list is the archetype for "Essential." Honestly, I'm not trying to start shit, and the last thing I want to do is offend you, but I would advise getting over yourself.

*cue excessively aggressive and insulting retort in which the cycle of argumenative excrement that's spewed from both sides begins anew*


PS: the majority of my list was much more directly influenced by the Washington Hardcore scene and the bands that made up similar sounds of the late '80s, defined by such luminaries as Fugazi, Black Flag, and Rite of Springs, the mid '90s 2nd wave of Emo, and bands like Texas is The Reason, Jawbreaker, and Lifetime, and the punk genre that predates all of it, and such groundbreaking acts as Richard Hell and The Voidoids, The Stooges, ect.


your list is fucking garbage. it's more so just a my favorite albums list if anything.

end of argument.


you got ripped on in the general forum and you came in here and made a fool of yourself even by saying underoath and chiodos are "essential" and post that god forsaken shit list.

[kearn1tm]

your list is fucking garbage.

end of argument.


you got ripped on in the general forum and you came in here and made a fool of yourself even by saying underoath and chiodos are "essential" and post that god forsaken shit list.

You try much too hard to be "edgy" and "hardcore" with a pretentious list of music you've admitted to not even listening to in it's entirety and your retorts are comprised of insults in place of facts and well thought out arguments. Your argument is pathetic, especially when you must resort to being goofted on in one thread to try and attack the foundation of my argument.

None of us can create a definitive list. It's impossible as none of us can be well-versed in all the various genres, trends, and releases to formulate a well-rounded opinion free of bias.

Seriously man, yours is no better than mine or anyone else's. But at least you're so hardcore. Not only are you a fool, but a self-deluded, egotistical fool at that.

[Troggy]

You try much too hard to be "edgy" and "hardcore" with a pretentious list of music you've admitted to not even listening to in it's entirety and your retorts are comprised of insults in place of facts and well thought out arguments. Your argument is pathetic, especially when you must resort to being goofted on in one thread to try and attack the foundation of my argument.

None of us can create a definitive list. It's impossible as none of us can be well-versed in all the various genres, trends, and releases to formulate a well-rounded opinion free of bias.

Seriously man, yours is no better than mine or anyone else's. But at least you're so hardcore. Not only are you a fool, but a self-deluded, egotistical fool at that.

What's on his list is irrelevant, half of yours is just bad music. Bad music is not essential. to anyone. except people like you who don't know what essential music means.

[mht]

I think out of 35 bands I had 3 hardcore albums that I thought had something fresh in the last 7 years?

How is that trying to be "hardcore or edgy"


everything else was pretty much was out earlier or doing it better than 24 of the bands on your list. lol


like really do you know actually how to play music and recognize talent? or do you really think brand new is deserving of both their albums being on a list of 35 albums in the last 7 years?

I don't. plenty of bands do it/have done it better. Bar none. They might be good albums, but I don't think they serve any pioneering purpose except for people who are bad teachers and wear eyeliner in their shitty local bands. (not Ceremony)

[kearn1tm]

What's on his list is irrelevant, half of yours is just bad music. Bad music is not essential. to anyone. except people like you who don't know what essential music means.

I understand that subjectivity is probably a hard philosophical concept for you. Here, I'll define it.

A theory of value (in this case, the intrinsic value of music) that holds that there is no intrinsic value of various entities; rather, things become valuable solely by individuals' desiring to have them, and the magnitude of that value is measured by how much of any given thing one is willing to forgo in order to obtain them.

If you can't place that in the context of this conversation, I pity you.

[kearn1tm]

I think out of 35 bands I had 3 hardcore albums that I thought had something fresh in the last 7 years?

How is that trying to be "hardcore or edgy"


everything else was pretty much was out earlier or doing it better than 24 of the bands on your list. lol


like really do you know actually how to play music and recognize talent? or do you really think brand new is deserving of both their albums being on a list of 35 albums in the last 7 years?

I don't. plenty of bands do it/have done it better. Bar none. They might be good albums, but I don't think they serve any pioneering purpose except for people who are bad teachers and wear eyeliner in their shitty local bands. (not Ceremony)

Firstly, why insult me on a personal level. It becomes impossible to take anything you say seriously when you call me a "bad teacher" when I'm an intern, and you've never experienced my teaching prowess personally.

Secondly, I can reconize talent. I find something in the bands I enjoy that you don't appreciate. You find qualities in bands I don't enjoy that I can't appreciate. See the subjectivity post. This is all arrogance and a rude lack of civility. I enjoy how you maintain that the bands on your list directly influenced mine. You do realize that all the bands of the last six or seven years owe everything to the scenes that were bursting with productivity in the late '80s and mid '90s? Oh, and while I don't think my local band is anything special, we do it for fun, why insult a band you've never heard? Does it inflate your sense of self worth? Are you deeply self-conscious?

Yes, I sincerely believe Brand New's last two albums were bits of brilliance. They're received critical and fan accliam. I love them both. They're strong, essential players on the Pop Punk scene.

But this won't matter because you will maintain I don't know what I'm talking about, your opinion is above all and make more off-handed personal insults. Have fun with that.

[Troggy]

I understand that subjectivity is probably a hard philosophical concept for you.

Thanks but this isn't an entirely subjective discussion. If it were 'OMG POST YOUR FAV ALBUMS!!!" then yes. But essential albums can at least be somewhat agreed upon in a group of people who all can appreciate good music. You aren't in that group of people.

[kearn1tm]

Thanks but this isn't an entirely subjective discussion. If it were 'OMG POST YOUR FAV ALBUMS!!!" then yes. But essential albums can at least be somewhat agreed upon in a group of people who all can appreciate good music. You aren't in that group of people.

Which comes back to the problem of none of us being qualified to make a list of essential albums unless we're all extremely well-versed in all genres, have studied musical trends professionally, and are not influenced even to the slightest degree by personal preference when making these lists. None of us can do this. Also, thanks for the insults. I would argue that from this thread, your tastes are horrendous, but again, that'd be matter of opinion. It's hard to take someone seriously when they can't help but act like an 8th grader who just got called "retarded" or something of the like.

[mht]

Bottomline eyeliner guy: you posted you favorite albums, and this is the wrong thread, there is a thread in the general going on right now to post your ALL time FAVORITE albums. Maybe you can go there and comprehend that, post some Chiodos and Underoath and watch them all laugh at you too as you put on more make up and wear wrist bands from Hot Topic.

[mht]

Which comes back to the problem of none of us being qualified to make a list of essential albums unless we're all extremely well-versed in all genres, have studied musical trends professionally, and are not influenced even to the slightest degree by personal preference when making these lists. None of us can do this. Also, thanks for the insults. I would argue that from this thread, your tastes are horrendous, but again, that'd be matter of opinion. It's hard to take someone seriously when they can't help but act like an 8th grader who just got called "retarded" or something of the like.

I just puked a little in my mouth after reading this. You are way to technical and are looking way to hard into something that is so simple, and could be fun and enjoyable, if people like you didn't have to shit it up with your fucking Aristotle technical philosophies.

[kearn1tm]

Bottomline eyeliner guy: you posted you favorite albums, and this is the wrong thread, there is a thread in the general going on right now to post your ALL time FAVORITE albums. Maybe you can go there and comprehend that, post some Chiodos and Underoath and watch them all laugh at you too as you put on more make up and wear wrist bands from Hot Topic.

No, condescending guy, I didn't post my favs, I posted the albums I hypothesized were the most influential on various scenes genres I gravitate to, same as you did and everyone else. Only I didn't insult anyone while doing it or attempt to enforce my tastes on others. "OMG, he wears eyeliner on stage and wristsbands he made, I can be a jerk, yay!" You're lacking in tact.

Chiodos has effected the post hardcore/screamo genre over the last few years and put out a good album that rises to the top of the screamo subgenre, making it an essential for that subgenre. You disagree. Wonderful. The difference being, I won't insult you about it.

But go ahead, throw some more at me. My sense of self worth can take it, and if it makes you feel better, than go ahead.

[kearn1tm]

I just puked a litter in my mouth after reading this. You are way to technical and are looking way to hard into something that is so simple, and could be fun and enjoyable, if people like you didn't have to shit it up with your fucking Aristotle technical philosophies.

It was pretty fun until people start insulting others. Aristotle was a philospher who believed in the variation of a variation, that all physical things were only a copy of a concept and diluded from the pure thought of a higher being (IE god). That has no relevance at the topic at hand. Subjectivity isn't high intellectual subject matter. It's pretty basic stuff. It get's technical when you try to enforce various templates and theories on what constitutes as "essential." I'm merely arguing the point.

[mht]

No, condescending guy, I didn't post my favs, I posted the albums I hypothesized were the most influential on various scenes genres I gravitate to, same as you did and everyone else. Only I didn't insult anyone while doing it or attempt to enforce my tastes on others. "OMG, he wears eyeliner on stage and wristsbands he made, I can be a jerk, yay!" You're lacking in tact.

Chiodos has effected the post hardcore/screamo genre over the last few years and put out a good album that rises to the top of the screamo subgenre, making it an essential for that subgenre. You disagree. Wonderful. The difference being, I won't insult you about it.

But go ahead, throw some more at me. My sense of self worth can take it, and if it makes you feel better, than go ahead.


Chiodos are not post hardcore or screamo.


Nice try. You really need to educate yourself on same bands/genres and types of music. Make that a lesson when your teaching high schoolers.


I have to really stop talking to you, I cannot believe you said Chiodos effected two genres they are nowhere close to being in or related to. My goodness.

[kearn1tm]

Chiodos are not post hardcore or screamo.


Nice try. You really need to educate yourself on same bands/genres and types of music. Make that a lesson when your teaching high schoolers.


I have to really stop talking to you, I cannot believe you said Chiodos effected two genres they are nowhere close to being in or related to. My goodness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiodos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/post-hardcore
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screamo
"Post Hardcore"


"Post-Hardcore is typically characterized by its percise rhythms and loud guitar-based instrumentation accompanied by vocal performances that are often sung as whispers or screams."

Hey, Chiodos does that.

And the guy who said I was being too technical and smart is telling me I need to educate myself? Aristotle philosophy? lol

I'm done with this thread. I have no time for petty squabling. I have my "shitty teaching" to worry about and a lesson plan to finish.

[mht]

If Wikipedia told you to jump off a bridge or kill yourself I would actually wish or hope you would do that too.

[summer skin]

Who doesn't wear makeup raise your hand...



The person who didn't raise their hand loses by default.

[kearn1tm]

If Wikipedia told you to jump off a bridge or kill yourself I would actually wish or hope you would do that too.

You literally want me to die?

...

Music means so much to you, that you forgo all humanitarianism and compassion for others, become sociopathic, all because I disagree with you? Really?

[summer skin]

You literally want me to die?

...

Music means so much to you, that you forgo all humanitarianism and compassion for others, become sociopathic, all because I disagree with you? Really?
I'm sorry...this sort of e-rejection must be hard on you. do you want to talk about it?

[mht]

You literally want me to die?

...

Music means so much to you, that you forgo all humanitarianism and compassion for others, become sociopathic, all because I disagree with you? Really?


No idiot. If you had any sort of common sense or a working brain it means don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia... it's not the end all/be all of information. It can be and most times is wrong.

[kearn1tm]

No idiot. If you had any sort of common sense or a working brain it means don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia... it's not the end all/be all of information. It can be and most times is wrong.

Yes, I understood that. However, you went to extremes, wishing death upon me, which I picked up on and emphasized from your post. I'm the idiot though? Honestly, Aristotle is one of the foremost philosophers who embraced meta-textual thinking and pioneered the idea of the physical realm being a separate entity from it's gestation period as a mental concept. I'm the idiot? I learned that in ENG 201.

I think Wiki was dead on with that assessment. "Most times wrong" Granted, it's written by the common man with no credentials or journalistic integrity, wiki has editors who fact check and patrol the site. When a person flags information, they correct it. People, being compulsive and anal in relation to the details of things they're passionate about, are quick to flag incorrect statements. I'm quite sure this article is correct.

[summer skin]

No idiot. If you had any sort of common sense or a working brain it means don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia... it's not the end all/be all of information. It can be and most times is wrong.
According to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MHT), you're sexy...so it must be right.

[mht]

According to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MHT), you're sexy...so it must be right.

Hahha I can't keep having this discussion with him, the stuff he is saying and where the conversation has gone to makes me want to put a gun to my head and kill myself. I would never lower myself to talk to such scum in person, I don't know why I do or bother on here lol. But I love you, nice wikipedia.

[summer skin]

Hahha I can't keep having this discussion with him, the stuff he is saying and where the conversation has gone to makes me want to put a gun to my head and kill myself. I would never lower myself to talk to such scum in person, I don't know why I do or bother on here lol. But I love you, nice wikipedia.
Yeah...did they delete your giant black dick avatar or was that another user?

[wesgemm08]

I just dont understand how at least two kids in the thread put Blood Brothers- Crimes on their lists, but don't have '..Burn, Piano Island, Burn' ... Crimes is horrendous compared to BPIB. And questioning Botch's songwriting abilities is pretty humorous.

[summer skin]

I just dont understand how at least two kids in the thread put Blood Brothers- Crimes on their lists, but don't have '..Burn, Piano Island, Burn' ... Crimes is horrendous compared to BPIB. And questioning Botch's songwriting abilities is pretty humorous.
BPIB is great but this adultery is ripe is still my favorite Blood Brothers album. So intense.

[wesgemm08]

BPIB is great but this adultery is ripe is still my favorite Blood Brothers album. So intense.

Yea, pretty much any blood bros album is better than crimes.

[mht]

Yeah...did they delete your giant black dick avatar or was that another user?


haha that was not me.

[summer skin]

Yea, pretty much any blood bros album is better than crimes.
I don't think that is a bad album though...and Rumors Laid Waste is way worse than Crimes, but that album hardly counts.

[summer skin]

haha that was not me.
oh ok... Don't mind me I get general discussion people confused sometimes

[Troggy]

here's a rough list...i know i don't listen to as much music as most of you, but these are good albums.

spoon "girls can tell"
jimmy "bleed american"
opeth "blackwater park"
opeth "ghost reveries"
agalloch "ashes against the grain"
thrice "illusion of safety"
gatsbys american dream "volcano"
david crowder band "a collision"
pig destroyer "terrifyer"
dcfc "transatlanticism"
converge "jane doe"
the black keys "rubber factory"
explosions in the sky "the earth is not a cold dead place"
john mayer "continuum"
fall out boy "take this to your grave"
std "stay what you are"
the lawrence arms "oh! calcutta"
isis "in the absence of truth"
hey mercedes "loses control"
coheed and cambria "in keeping secrets..."
anberlin "never take friendship personal"
poison the well "you come before you"
incubus "morning view"
pretty girls make graves "new romance"
format "dog problems"
agalloch "the mantle"
dillinger escape plan "miss machine"
fairweather "if they move kill them"
imogen heap "speak for yourself"
relient k "two lefts dont make a right but three do"
tilly and the wall "wild like children"
rival schools "united by fate"
the black keys "thickfreakness"
tool "lateralus"
dashboard confessional "the places you have come to fear the most"

[mht]

NO CHIODOS OR UNDEROATH?

your list fucking sucks man.

[wesgemm08]

In Keeping Secrets.. is such a tight album. I wish I could write ridiculously catchy guitar riffs like that.

[summer skin]

In Keeping Secrets.. is such a tight album. I wish I could write ridiculously catchy guitar riffs like that.
I wish I could be the ugliest person on the planet, but Claudio made that impossible for me to achieve.

[Troggy]

NO CHIODOS OR UNDEROATH?

your list fucking sucks man.

:-)

[wesgemm08]

Chiodos is uber influential in the screamo world dooood

[summer skin]

Chiodos is uber influential in the screamo world dooood
KEYTAR SKRAMZ!

[mht]

Chiodos taught Funeral Diner everything they know dawg.

[summer skin]

Chiodos taught Funeral Diner everything they know dawg.
WHO THE FUCK ARE FUNERAL DINER? ARE THEY LIKE TSL?!!


A/S/L PLZ!

[PDon11]

here's a rough list...i know i don't listen to as much music as most of you, but these are good albums.

spoon "girls can tell"
jimmy "bleed american"
opeth "blackwater park"
opeth "ghost reveries"
agalloch "ashes against the grain"
thrice "illusion of safety"
gatsbys american dream "volcano"
david crowder band "a collision"
pig destroyer "terrifyer"
dcfc "transatlanticism"
converge "jane doe"
the black keys "rubber factory"
explosions in the sky "the earth is not a cold dead place"
john mayer "continuum"
fall out boy "take this to your grave"
std "stay what you are"
the lawrence arms "oh! calcutta"
isis "in the absence of truth"
hey mercedes "loses control"
coheed and cambria "in keeping secrets..."
anberlin "never take friendship personal"
poison the well "you come before you"
incubus "morning view"
pretty girls make graves "new romance"
format "dog problems"
agalloch "the mantle"
dillinger escape plan "miss machine"
fairweather "if they move kill them"
imogen heap "speak for yourself"
relient k "two lefts dont make a right but three do"
tilly and the wall "wild like children"
rival schools "united by fate"
the black keys "thickfreakness"
tool "lateralus"
dashboard confessional "the places you have come to fear the most"

Good list

I'd switch In the Absense of Truth with Oceanic, Lateralus with Aneima, you come before you for with Opposite of December, and Miss Machine with Calculating Infinity though.

[mht]

Anemia and Calculating Infinity came out PRIOR to 2001, thus making them invalid for the thread qualifications.

[Rearviewmirror]

I fail because I don't meet your "standards?"

Lame.

Also, Belle & Sebastian = indie "folk" as is Sean Lennon. What do you think Dylan and Waits are?

Metal, in my opinion (which this is all subject to) didn't come across as strong in the last six to seven years. It's influence on the overall musical landscape slipped. Hardcore? Well, I have various post Hardcore bands on there (Senses Fail, Underoath, ect.)

Ryan Adams is a "country/folk" hybrid.

Reggae and Ska aren't nearly as relevant as they were in past decades and are much more novelty genres in my humble opinion.

Death Cab, Head Automatica are pop-esque. If the definition of "pop" is Popular Music, much of my pics fit that.

Lets be real here, none of us can make a universal list that encompasses every genre and makes everyone happy. I don't get the whole "I don't agree, therefor he must be wrong and I'm right."


You go Kearn1tm! You're completely right. No one can make a universal list therefore one can only make a personal list of which albums you like. It is really a personal favourite list of records dating from 2001 through 2007. :)

[btbam > you]

I really need to start posting in the music forum more often.. Some of this shit is hilarious.

[wesgemm08]

I heard that Thomas Erak and Anthony Green are joining forces with Chiodos to make the greatest band in the history of the world.

[Troggy]

Anemia and Calculating Infinity came out PRIOR to 2001, thus making them invalid for the thread qualifications.

mmhmm I really wanted to do Calculating Infinity but couldn't...the opposite of december was released in 99 so can't do that one either.

isis is a toss up. they're both awesome.

[brash25999]

Sigur Ros is definately a keeper, they are extremely talented and work up an awesome ambient scene.

[PDon11]

Anemia and Calculating Infinity came out PRIOR to 2001, thus making them invalid for the thread qualifications.


Ohhhh, I see. Then scratch all those except for Oceanic.

[Troggy]

Ohhhh, I see. Then scratch all those except for Oceanic.

:-)

[Rearviewmirror]

I'm not making a list as my knowledge of music is too thin to do it justice.

It's always easier to make complaints about others rather than to something of your own, innit? God, Get a grip.

[PDon11]

Queens of the Stone Age - Songs For the Deaf
Botch - An Anthology of Dead Ends [EP]
Bear Vs. Shark - Right Now....
Minus the Bear - Highly Refined Pirates
Minus the Bear - Menos El Oso
Explosions in the Sky - How Strange, Innocence
Circle Takes the Square - As the Roots Undo
Every Time I Die - Hot Damn!
Interpol - Turn On the Bright Lights
The Mars Volta - Deloused in the Comatorium
The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute
Jedi Mind Tricks - Visions of Ghandi
Cursive - The Ugly Organ
Neil Perry - Linage Situation
Sigur Ros - ( )
mewithoutYou - Brother, Sister
Les Savy Fav - Inches
Q and Not U - Different Damage
...And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead - Source Tags & Codes
65Daysofstatic - The Fall of Math
Emily Haines and the Soft Skeleton - Knives Dont Have Your Back
Bear Vs. Shark - Terrorhawk
Bedouin Soundclash - Sounding a Mosaic
Bedouin Soundclash - Root Fire
The Bled - Pass the Flask
The Decemberists - Picaresque
City of Caterpillar - S/T
Azure Ray - S/T
Mastodon - Blood Mountain
mewithoutYou - [A→B] Life
The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots
Gatsbys American Dream - Volcano
The Forecast - Late Night Conversations
The Faint - Danse Macabre
Yaphet Kotto - Syncopated Synthetic Laments For Love


no order

[xvszero]

The only album I have in that original list is Full Collapse, and I don't even really like it that much.

Needs more Thrice.

[summer skin]

The only album I have in that original list is Full Collapse, and I don't even really like it that much.

Needs more Thrice.
Thrice is abysmal.

[xvszero]

Thrice is abysmal.

Well he did have Thursday on his list...

[Troggy]

Arcade Fire - Neon Bible
Brand New - The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me
Between the Buried and Me - Alaska
Give Up The Ghost - We're Down Till We're Underground
Circle Takes the Square - As the Roots Undo
Say Anything - Is A Real Boy
Biffy Clyro - Infinity Land
Mew - Frengers
Envy - A Dead Sinking Story
Mars Volta - Deloused in the Crematorium
Opeth - Blackwater Park
Thrice - The Illusion of Safety
Thursday - Full Collapse
Glassjaw - Worship and Tribute
Taking Back Sunday - Tell All Your Friends
Fall Out Boy - Take This To Your Grave
Bear vs Shark - Terrorhawk
Dredg - El Cielo
Sigur Ros - ()
Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia
Bright Eyes - Lifted
Radiohead - Amnesiac
Converge - Jane Doe
Killswitch Engage - The End of Heartache
Fugazi - The Argument
Alkaline Trio - From Here to Infirmary
The Strokes - Is This It?
White Stripes - Elephant
Cursive - The Ugly Organ
Comeback Kid - Turn It Around
Modern Life is War - Witness
The Killers - Hot Fuss
Tool - Lateralus
Dillinger Escape Plan - Miss Machine
Isis - Oceanic
The Decemberists - The Crane Wife

I'm sure i missed some and there is no order to this.

Also i neglected genres I don't know much about and it is all guitar music.

So basically these are in my opinion the essential guitar albums.

the bolded ones were on the fuzz of my list. i should probably fit them in somehow. good list.

[summer skin]

Well he did have Thursday on his list...
Bands are nothing alike...

[PDon11]

Queens of the Stone Age - Songs For the Deaf
Botch - An Anthology of Dead Ends [EP]
Bear Vs. Shark - Right Now....
Minus the Bear - Highly Refined Pirates
Minus the Bear - Menos El Oso
Explosions in the Sky - How Strange, Innocence
Circle Takes the Square - As the Roots Undo
Every Time I Die - Hot Damn!
Interpol - Turn On the Bright Lights
The Mars Volta - Deloused in the Comatorium
The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute
Jedi Mind Tricks - Visions of Ghandi
Cursive - The Ugly Organ
Neil Perry - Linage Situation
Sigur Ros - ( )
mewithoutYou - Brother, Sister
Les Savy Fav - Inches
Q and Not U - Different Damage
...And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead - Source Tags & Codes
65Daysofstatic - The Fall of Math
Emily Haines and the Soft Skeleton - Knives Dont Have Your Back
Bear Vs. Shark - Terrorhawk
Bedouin Soundclash - Sounding a Mosaic
Bedouin Soundclash - Root Fire
The Bled - Pass the Flask
The Decemberists - Picaresque
City of Caterpillar - S/T
Azure Ray - S/T
Mastodon - Blood Mountain
mewithoutYou - [A→B] Life
The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots
Gatsbys American Dream - Volcano
The Forecast - Late Night Conversations
The Faint - Danse Macabre
Yaphet Kotto - Syncopated Synthetic Laments For Love


no order


my list without repeated artists (minus BVS) would add,

Hot Water Music - A Flight and A Crash
RX Bandits - ...And the Battle Has Begun
The Sound of Animals Fighting - Tiger and the Duke
Easy Star Allstars - Radiodread