WWE Star Chris Benoit Found Dead

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I'm sure anyone who still follows WWE knows this already, but I figured I'd create a place here, in the Sports forum (even though it's technically "sports entertainment") for people who care to talk about it.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=3315501&page=1

[Broken Parachute]

Yeah, I was going to make a thread but people would be idiots and say OMG WE KNOW ALREDYZ and shit like that.

This is absolutely horrible. I wasn't really affected by Eddie Guerrero's death too much, only a little, but this one hit me hard. I grew up watching Chris, and it's just terrible to see this happen. It's even worse if the double murder/suicide stroy is true.

[Broken Parachute]

Ummm, from Wrestlezone:

'Instruments Of Death' Found In Benoit's Home?
06/25/2007 by Ryan Clark (Webmaster@ProWrestlingSCOOPS.com) http://www.wrestlezone.com/images/spacer.gif
http://www.wrestlezone.com/1benoit.jpgThe following is from ABCNews.com:

Wrestling star Chris Benoit, his wife, Nancy, and their 7-year-old son Daniel were found dead in their suburban Atlanta home Monday. The deaths are being investigated as a possible suicide and double homicide, authorities told ABC News.

Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriff's Department told ABC News that Benoit had missed several appointments over the weekend, leading concerned parties to ask police to do a "welfare check." When sheriffs arrived at the Benoits' home, they found the wrestler (http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=184833087#), his wife, and their son dead.

There were no signs of gunshot wounds or stabbing, according to Pope. Authorities are not ruling out other causes, such as poisoning, suffocation, or strangulation. Pope told ABC News that his department is looking at this situation as a "possible double murder, suicide."

Pope said "the instruments of death were located on scene," but would not specify what those instruments are or where in the house the bodies were found. Pope added the department is "not actively searching for any suspects outside of the house."

An autopsy has been scheduled for Tuesday morning at 10 a.m. However, it could be weeks before there is a result.

Benoit, 40, was scheduled to spar against C.M. Punk in a pay-per-view event Sunday night in Houston for the Extreme Champion Wrestling title. But Benoit canceled before the event, citing personal reasons.

A native of Edmonton, Alberta, Benoit was known in the ring as the "Canadian Crippler."

Following the announcement of the deaths, World Wrestling Entertainment issued a statement: "Chris was beloved among his fellow superstars, and was a favorite among WWE fans for his unbelievable athleticism and wrestling ability. He always took great pride in his performance, and always showed respect for the business he loved, for his peers and towards his fans. This is a terrible tragedy and an unbearable loss. WWE extends its sincere condolences and prayers to the Benoit family and loved ones in this time of tragedy."

WWE announced that it would drop its planned Monday night line-up on the USA Network to air a three-hour tribute to Benoit.

In a sport known for bravado and bullying, Benoit was very much beloved and respected by his peers. He was passionate about his profession and served as a mentor to many younger, up-and-coming performers. As an indication of how much the fans enjoyed him, when the crowd in Houston's Toyota Center learned Sunday night that he wouldn't be there, they chanted, "We want Benoit!"

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Benoit was one of my favorites in WCW growing up. I just happened to flip past USA at the right time earlier to catch Mr. McMahon speaking in the ring in the empty arena and I was just like "WTF??"

I watched some of the tribute to him and it was one of the most depressing things I've seen. Like when Edge was talking about how he had 3 great friends in the industry and now 2 of them are gone...

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

rly?

[Broken Parachute]

Eddie is gone, Chris is gone..

What the hell is going through Dean Malenko's mind right now?

[startBBtoday]

so the wwe dropped the vince mcmahon is dead angle for this?

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Eddie is gone, Chris is gone..

What the hell is going through Dean Malenko's mind right now?
"If this is how it's gonna be, I hope Saturn's next"

...maybe?

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

so the wwe dropped the vince mcmahon is dead angle for this?
Apparently

[startBBtoday]

"If this is how it's gonna be, I hope Saturn's next"

...maybe?

LOL

[sarah.exkore]

so the wwe dropped the vince mcmahon is dead angle for this?

Apparently so, and thank God they did. How stupid.

[leftstranded]

Eddie is gone, Chris is gone..

What the hell is going through Dean Malenko's mind right now?
he just about said it all on raw.

i feel saddened for the loss, and for the family and friends that have to sort everything out emotionally

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

he just about said it all on raw.

i feel saddened for the loss, and for the family and friends that have to sort everything out emotionally
Doesn't he have two older kids?

[leftstranded]

Doesn't he have two older kids?
i think so. not sure exactly if he was divorced and re-married or what the case is with them

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

i think so. not sure exactly if he was divorced and re-married or what the case is with them
I'm assuming that's the case as it said they were in Canada.

[leftstranded]

I'm assuming that's the case as it said they were in Canada.
good assumption

[Scott Weber]

Good riddance. Murderer.

[open mind]

is it just me or do professional wrestlers have a pretty short life expectancy? seems like alot of them die before they hit 50.

[bigmike]

is it just me or do professional wrestlers have a pretty short life expectancy? seems like alot of them die before they hit 50.
rampant drug and steroid abuse coupled with alcoholism and constant travel and putting their body through the things they do will do that to a person.


And I feel so sad for his wife and his son and their friends. If this double murder-suicide is true, then that's fucked up and i hold no sympathy for him.

[Broken Parachute]

I feel sorry for the guy's soul. You need to be one fucked up son of a bitch to do that to a seven year old fucking kid. I kinda teared up when I first learned about his death because growing up I idolized the guy..for 7 years he was one of my favorite entertainers to watch. Now I see him as a murderer, and that just makes me straight up fucking sad. You just don't know anyone. You just don't. It's so sad that in this world people can't even trust their own family members. If you're going to take your own life, do it...don't fucking get your family involved. He was so methodical about it too. Early reports say they think he killed his wife Saturday, his son on Sunday, then himself on Monday. WWE officials also said they received some disturbing text messages from Benoit on Sunday morning (didn't say what was on them), which prompted them to break into his house on Monday morning.

I will always know him as one of the greatest wrestlers I've ever watched, but now I also know him as a murderer, a coward, and a selfish son of a bitch.

[myantiyou]

I feel sorry for the guy's soul. You need to be one fucked up son of a bitch to do that to a seven year old fucking kid. I kinda teared up when I first learned about his death because growing up I idolized the guy..for 7 years he was one of my favorite entertainers to watch. Now I see him as a murderer, and that just makes me straight up fucking sad. You just don't know anyone. You just don't. It's so sad that in this world people can't even trust their own family members. If you're going to take your own life, do it...don't fucking get your family involved. He was so methodical about it too. Early reports say they think he killed his wife Saturday, his son on Sunday, then himself on Monday. WWE officials also said they received some disturbing text messages from Benoit on Sunday morning (didn't say what was on them), which prompted them to break into his house on Monday morning.

I will always know him as one of the greatest wrestlers I've ever watched, but now I also know him as a murderer, a coward, and a selfish son of a bitch.

:-(

I idolized him too.. me and my brother's favorite wrestler.

Is it official yet that it was a double murder and suicide?

[myantiyou]

Apparently so, and thank God they did. How stupid.

That was fucking stupid. I enjoy watching WWE, but some things they do...

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Benoit was one of my favorites in WCW growing up. I just happened to flip past USA at the right time earlier to catch Mr. McMahon speaking in the ring in the empty arena and I was just like "WTF??"

I watched some of the tribute to him and it was one of the most depressing things I've seen. Like when Edge was talking about how he had 3 great friends in the industry and now 2 of them are gone...

Yeah, I saw that as well..

Just as many people in this thread, I grew up watching Benoit and enjoyed the entertainment he brought to the table. I remember Benoit most in WCW. The matches with Chris Jericho and Eddy Guerrero. It's a shame that both Eddy and Chris are gone now.

[mat1419]

this is ridiculously sad. wasn't his wife Woman from back in WCW?

and what the hell is wrong with professional wrestling? the mortality rate is through the roof and a lot of these are suicides and drug ODs. now this? the sport absolutely destroys people from the inside out and shouldn't a guy like mcmahon be somewhat responsible for the fact that his wrestlers continue to have mental problems? i know most develop them on the way to the WWE, but there is something horribly wrong with the fact that every year it seems another great wrestler dies way too young.

[KillMeTheKing26]

"Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that the details of the incident may "prove a little bizarre" to the public when released."

abc news.

what constitutes "bizarre"?

[EnderDove]

this is ridiculously sad. wasn't his wife Woman from back in WCW?

and what the hell is wrong with professional wrestling? the mortality rate is through the roof and a lot of these are suicides and drug ODs. now this? the sport absolutely destroys people from the inside out and shouldn't a guy like mcmahon be somewhat responsible for the fact that his wrestlers continue to have mental problems? i know most develop them on the way to the WWE, but there is something horribly wrong with the fact that every year it seems another great wrestler dies way too young.

The death of Eddie is the reason the WWE Wellness program was put into place. Obviously that had nothing to do with the case of Benoit though.

Here is what I put in another thread, I believe it's how many that grew up watching Benoit and the business feel about it. Remember, nobody is saying his actions were not horrible.


I can sit there and remember him as a great WRESTLER. That is what his career was about, that is what the three hours were about last night. If he did kill his wife and son would it be impossible for me to not think of that while watching his matces? Yes, but that doesn't mean I still wont think he is one of the greatest to ever step in the ring and a pure wrestling machine that put his body on the line every night to entertain fans and do what he loved.

I don't see how people that claim to be a huge fan of his and wrestling can't separate those two things. His career and what happened at the end of his life outside the ring are two very different things and most fans of the business understand that.

Nobody is saying that if he did what is being speculated that it's okay or understandable. What we're saying is that it's not at all wrong to still support his career as being one of the greatest in the history of the business.

There are no priority issues in society if I say that Chris Benoit was one of the best wrestlers of all time, yet if he did do what is speculated then I would say I am ashamed and sickened to know what became of him. However, that does not at all change what he did for the business and the fans and I am willing to bet every single wrestler, road agent and anyone else who works for WWE would feel the same way.

Everyone has imperfections, everyone makes mistakes or does horrible things in life, that does not mean you must throw out years of great things when their life comes to a close with bad things.

[jaredCoO]

First Eddie, now Chris. Thing is, the guy never showed any signs of disturbia. I always thought he was pretty all-together, but this....

At least Eddie went out differently. For a man to kill his wife and kids then kill himself.... It's just wacked up, and sad.

Chris Benoit... You are a sad S.O.B.

[luckyforsome]

i'd like to hear what Kurt Angle and Chris Jericho think about it.

[EnderDove]

i'd like to hear what Kurt Angle and Chris Jericho think about it.

Just as most inside WWE they most likely wont comment on the murder-suicide, they would comment on their time in the ring with him and working with him over the years.

I would guess Jericho will have something on a blog at some point.

Lance Storm is the other person that I am awaiting to hear from.

[luckyforsome]

Just as most inside WWE they most likely wont comment on the murder-suicide, they would comment on their time in the ring with him and working with him over the years.

I would guess Jericho will have something on a blog at some point.

Lance Storm is the other person that I am awaiting to hear from.
Yeah, thats true, they won't talk about the actual death.just memories and stuff. but i'd rather hear what they think about the murder :|

and i wonder if Benoit will be the Hall of Fame next year, or ever be inducted for that matter.

[jaredCoO]

He was great by all accounts, but do we really want a homicidal murderer to be inducted?

[EnderDove]

Yeah, thats true, they won't talk about the actual death.just memories and stuff. but i'd rather hear what they think about the murder :|

and i wonder if Benoit will be the Hall of Fame next year, or ever be inducted for that matter.

I don't want to hear about the murder from them though, I would rather hear their memories and let them deal with the other things in private.

Considering they have pulled all Benoit merch from WWE.com, not to mention changing the descriptioin of WrestleMania XX to Triple H defends his title against Shawn Michaels and not also Chris Benoit, who won the match...I don't think he will be in the Hall Of Fame, however from a pure in ring, business only stand point, he has no reason not to be. However it's understandable his death and the death of his family will play a role in that.

[EnderDove]

He was great by all accounts, but do we really want a homicidal murderer to be inducted?

Read what I just said, if you go just by his career then he has no reason not to be, however it's understandable the his death and the death of his wife and son will play a huge role in it.

[jaredCoO]

I get what you mean. But imagine what kind of man was he if he was so afraid of life that he killed not only himself but his family as well? And when the report comes out, and since it's already described as bizarre, the backlash will be considerable.

[Scott Weber]

It is unbelievable how many kids are in denial about this being true in the news thread.

[jaredCoO]

Denial? We know this really happened, man.

[LeftWideOpen]

***wrestlers are not role models***

as far as the people in denial, people wanna attack a culture that looks up to people like paris hilton and lindsay lohan ..well, wrestlers are part of the problem. just because they arent as publicized doesnt mean they dont contribute

[Juliana101]

I am getting sick to my stomach thinking that a father would kill his son.

[Brownpants06]

Why is everyone being so sad about this? Dude murdered his fucking family, he can burn in hell, asshole.

[jaredCoO]

Why is everyone being so sad about this? Dude murdered his fucking family, he can burn in hell, asshole.

Do you even WATCH wrestling? He was a great wrestler. We just didn't know he was so screwed up inside.

[StuGrimson]

Im good at my job too, doesnt mean if I go out and murder my family it makes me less of a fucked up asshole.

[jaredCoO]

Not the point....

[LeftWideOpen]

so? you didnt see people crying for rae carruth because he was a good football player.

my fucking god ... the WWE should be sanctioned for running a tribute for the guy. to be shocked about this is one thing, to be sad is a whole different story.

[KillMeTheKing26]

Do you even WATCH wrestling? He was a great wrestler. We just didn't know he was so screwed up inside.

you're talking about people that kick the shit out of people for a living.

obviously he wasnt all there.

[Juliana101]

I'm still going to pray for him, he must've had some tough battles inside to push him to a suicide double murder.

[Scott Weber]

Denial? We know this really happened, man.
You do. Not the people last night in the news thread. Seriously, I got torn to shreds in there by adoring fans with their blinders on. And I agree that Benoit can burn in hell. It actually pisses me off a little that people have him as their avatars and such. A murderer like that doesn't deserve that honor/respect.

[jaredCoO]

You do still see people cry when you mention Optimus Prime died.

In any case, the guy was definitely no saint, but people are sad bacause he was a role model and an icon to them. They respect him from an industry point of view.

[Scott Weber]

I'm still going to pray for him, he must've had some tough battles inside to push him to a suicide double murder.
It's too late to pray for Chris. If you're going to pray, pray for the families and even the fans that this affected, that they would get through this time and think rational and clear, help them deal with the difficulty.

[jaredCoO]

Yea , well....

She's just doing what she thinks is right. I say pray for the fans and his wife and kid... They were innocent and didn't deserve what he did to them.

[KillMeTheKing26]

You do. Not the people last night in the news thread. Seriously, I got torn to shreds in there by adoring fans with their blinders on. And I agree that Benoit can burn in hell. It actually pisses me off a little that people have him as their avatars and such. A murderer like that doesn't deserve that honor/respect.

yeah thats making me angry too.

[KillMeTheKing26]

they didnt actually announce that Chris was the killer yet did they/

[Juliana101]

It's too late to pray for Chris. If you're going to pray, pray for the families and even the fans that this affected, that they would get through this time and think rational and clear, help them deal with the difficulty.

You do need to wonder what's going through someone's head though, the man was clearly unable to see the wrong in what he was doing.

I'm not going to defend or sympathize him because it doesn't change the fact that he's a murderer, but I am going to pray for him along with everybody who was hurt by this in hopes that he will find whatever it was that would put his sick soul to rest.

[jaredCoO]

The county said that the case was bizarre and on wwe.com it implies that it is comfirmed a murder-suicide.

[Juliana101]

they didnt actually announce that Chris was the killer yet did they/

No, but the facts are there. He was acting weird to the point of where they had to break into his house to make sure that everything was okay. It sounds like the deed was premeditated and carried out according to plan.

[jaredCoO]

You got a good heart there, Juliana....

[CarlMonday]

Not the point....


enjoy life as a janitor, because thats the only career path for someone as absentminded as you.

[jaredCoO]

OH REALLY????? THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!

What're you then? Garbage collector? Roadside sweeper?

Get a life...

[Brownpants06]

Is it okay if i put Seung-Hui Cho as my avatar? Thats cool, right?

[jaredCoO]

Whatever rings your bell man....

[Scott Weber]

Here's the point: If Benoit killed say, Triple H instead of his family, would any of you still feel so sorry for Benoit? Would you still have him as your avatar? Or would you then write him off as a murderer. The only reason people are still honoring him is because his family wasn't beloved like him - now that's messed up.

[KillMeTheKing26]

Is it okay if i put Seung-Hui Cho as my avatar? Thats cool, right?


hahaha.

[Juliana101]

Yea , well....

She's just doing what she thinks is right. I say pray for the fans and his wife and kid... They were innocent and didn't deserve what he did to them.

Hahahah, dude I'm a guy. Juliana= The Juliana Theory.

[jaredCoO]

OOOOPPPPPSSSS.... Sorry. My bad. Help me get my foot outta my mouth?

[CarlMonday]

OH REALLY????? THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!

What're you then? Garbage collector? Roadside sweeper?

Get a life...


HE DID GOOD HEADBUTZZZZZZ AND GRAPPLEES WHO CARES IF HE KILLED A CHILD AND HIS WIFE, DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, PLUS HE WAS LIDDUL SO ITZ OKAY HE DESERVES PRAISe.

and no i am not a garbage collector or roadside sweeper

[jaredCoO]

YOU, my friend, are taking this entirely out of context.

[KillMeTheKing26]

you both sound pretty stupid to me.

[CarlMonday]

YOU, my friend, are taking this entirely out of context.

blow me, go make a youtube video blog or something you cum stain.

[jaredCoO]

I'll accept that. As long as I'm the one who gets to wear the 'I'm with stupid' shirt.

[Juliana101]

Here's the point: If Benoit killed say, Triple H instead of his family, would any of you still feel so sorry for Benoit? Would you still have him as your avatar? Or would you then write him off as a murderer. The only reason people are still honoring him is because his family wasn't beloved like him - now that's messed up.

Dude, I don't know, this case is just way too unfortunate to just purely write someone off and condemn them to hell, the guy had mental problems and probably was not aware of how terrible his action was.

Concussion after concussion will fuck with your head, and I was never under the impression that he was a homicidal-suicidal person until yesterday night.

[jaredCoO]

What is it with people who simply cannot argue rationally and insist on attacking someone personally? That was low, the sign of inferior intelligence. By the way, I was responding to KillMeTheKing on that last post.

[Scott Weber]

Dude, I don't know, this case is just way too unfortunate to just purely write someone off and condemn them to hell, the guy had mental problems and probably was not aware of how terrible his action was.

Concussion after concussion will fuck with your head, and I was never under the impression that he was a homicidal-suicidal person until yesterday night.
Steroids will also make you highly imbalanced.

[KillMeTheKing26]

What is it with people who simply cannot argue rationally and insist on attacking someone personally? That was low, the sign of inferior intelligence. By the way, I was responding to KillMeTheKing on that last post.

i attacked you both because you sound like little girls.

[Juliana101]

Steroids will also make you highly imbalanced.

Exactly, I feel he lost control and then lost his mind. It's a tragedy.

[jaredCoO]

No, the attacking part was towards my would-be porn video co-star there. I agreed with you, this is getting bitchy. Back to the topic anyway. You think that steroids had to do with the whole Mike Tyson ear biting thing?

[Juliana101]

No, the attacking part was towards my would-be porn video co-star there. I agreed with you, this is getting bitchy. Back to the topic anyway. You think that steroids had to do with the whole Mike Tyson ear biting thing?

That and the fact that he gets hit in the head for a living.

[marrost]

Fuck this juiced up piece of shit if he killed his kid.

[jaredCoO]

I am so glad I revised my decision to make wrestling my career.

[KillMeTheKing26]

your avatar is interesting.
what is it exactly?
just a guys head popping?

[Juliana101]

your avatar is interesting.
what is it exactly?
just a guys head popping?

It's the best avatar on the site.

[jaredCoO]

Is that from a snuff film or something? Gory but cool.

[marrost]

your avatar is interesting.
what is it exactly?
just a guys head popping?Cronenberg's Scanners.

VwprCsGvgJY

[KillMeTheKing26]

interesting.

[Juliana101]

That is absolutely laughable.

[marrost]

Yea pretty much haha.

[jaredCoO]

Very interesting.

[Juliana101]

Did you ever go on that 150 mile road trip to that party?

[marrost]

Did you ever go on that 150 mile road trip to that party?Haha no. Rather than me having to go down the shore, the party pretty much came to me and the city. Worked out great since I had a final the next day anyway haha.

[Juliana101]

Haha no. Rather than me having to go down the shore, the party pretty much came to me and the city. Worked out great since I had a final the next day anyway haha.


Hell yeah man, well I'm glad it worked out.

[CarlMonday]

go here (http://www.absolutepunk.net/forumdisplay.php?f=2)

[marrost]

go here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell)

[Juliana101]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/06/25/wrestler.dead.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

It may have been posted but it confirms the kills.

[LeftWideOpen]

i'm not calling the guy a cold-blooded killer ... he may have very well been sick. my whole beef is 1) w/ the people excusing his actions because he may have been mentally ill, and 2) him being paid tribute to.

the whole thing is a tragedy and its totally understandable to feel sad .. but nobody should be defending the guy. you dont get a free pass just because you may be incapable of rational thought ..you get help. this is coming from a psych major who believes very strongly in the debilitating nature of mental illness.

[CarlMonday]

go here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell)

swing and a miss

[mat1419]

swing and a miss

no, his was pretty funny actually

[CarlMonday]

when copying someone, the statement made must be funnier than previous statement.

thus, swing and a miss.

plus a wikipedia link? no sir.

also im jewish, and already going to hell, so i dont need to be pointed in any direction for it was already predetermined at birth.

[Broken Parachute]

WWE is purging his name from the record books. They changed the WWE Title match he won at Wrestlemania 20 on the WM20 DVD. Instead of saying "Benoit defeats Shawn Michaels and Triple H to win the title", it says "Triple H defends his title against Shawn Michaels."

They have also taken down his videos, pictures, tributes, and merchandise.

[Juliana101]

WWE is purging his name from the record books. They changed the WWE Title match he won at Wrestlemania 20 on the WM20 DVD. Instead of saying "Benoit defeats Shawn Michaels and Triple H to win the title", it says "Triple H defends his title against Shawn Michaels."

They have also taken down his videos, pictures, tributes, and merchandise.

I wonder if they'll ever speak of him again.

[Scott Weber]

WWE is purging his name from the record books. They changed the WWE Title match he won at Wrestlemania 20 on the WM20 DVD. Instead of saying "Benoit defeats Shawn Michaels and Triple H to win the title", it says "Triple H defends his title against Shawn Michaels."

They have also taken down his videos, pictures, tributes, and merchandise.
As they should.

[marrost]

when copying someone, the statement made must be funnier than previous statement.

thus, swing and a miss.

plus a wikipedia link? no sir.

also im jewish, and already going to hell, so i dont need to be pointed in any direction for it was already predetermined at birth.Well, if there was a hell.gov or maybe an official website for hell I would have put that, but unfortunately that's not the case.

But I appreciate the joke analysis.

[Broken Parachute]

According to a Press Conference held outside the home today:

They believe Benoit killed his wife Friday night, his son early Saturday morning, and then himself late Saturday night.

His wife's body was wrapped in a white towel, but she was fully clothed, and she had blood under her head.

The son was in his bed.

Each of them had a Bible next to their body, but Chris did not.

Chris hung himself in his basement weight room using the chords from a weight machine.

[mat1419]

also im jewish, and already going to hell, so i dont need to be pointed in any direction for it was already predetermined at birth.

see now that's funny too...and on the plus side, at least you know they've got wrestling down there...

[mat1419]

According to a Press Conference held outside the home today:

They believe Benoit killed his wife Friday night, his son early Saturday morning, and then himself late Saturday night.

His wife's body was wrapped in a white towel, but she was fully clothed, and she had blood under her head.

The son was in his bed.

Each of them had a Bible next to their body, but Chris did not.

Chris hung himself in his basement weight room using the chords from a weight machine.

see now that doesn't sound like roid rage to me...that sounds more planned and thought out, especially if the son was considerably after the wife. those whole thing is creepy honestly...

[Broken Parachute]

I'm a little weirded out./

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

see now that doesn't sound like roid rage to me...that sounds more planned and thought out, especially if the son was considerably after the wife. those whole thing is creepy honestly...
What I'm getting out of it is that he killed his wife, maybe realized what he did and decided to kill himself...but didn't want to leave his son in the house with the dead bodies of his parents.

Something like that

[Brownpants06]

Simmons: I am still gathering my thoughts, waiting for all the facts to come out. It just doesn't seem like any non-wrestling fan realizes how huge this story is to everyone who actually follows wrestling - in my opinion, it's the biggest sports story of the year even though wrestling technically isn't a sport. Benoit was one of the 12-15 greatest wrestlers of the past 30 years. For the wrestling world, it's like the OJ thing all over again - only its worse because his little son was involved. It might be the single worst sports story since the Rae Carruth thing.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Bill Simmons: (3:43 PM ET ) The weird part was the WWE inexplicably running the 3-hour Benoit tribute on Raw last night - by the time it re-aired on the West Coast, reports were starting to come out that it was possibly a double murder-suicide... I don't know how they let that show continue to run. One of the weirdest TV moments ever. I was really creeped out.

Carl (Lansing, MI): How come people condem wresting becuase of this but not the football because of Rae Carruth? Is it becuase people are looking for a reason to bash it? I never really liked it a ton after college, but I never understood why people have so much HATE for it.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Bill Simmons: (3:45 PM ET ) Well, the bigger issue here is that pro wrestling has suffered an abnormal number of early deaths - actually, abnormal might not even be the right word. it's almost an epidemic. There have probably been more wrestlers die before the age of 45 in the past 15 years than every sport combined. And you knew the tipping point was coming, eventually, and now it's here. I don't know if wrestling will survive this one.

Adam (NY): So what does WWE do from here? With the macmahon death awkwardness floating over their heads I think they're going to lose a huge portion of their audience. They have to, right?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Bill Simmons: (3:48 PM ET ) Honestly, I couldn't tell you. I think this could be it - it's going to be the dominant story of the next 2 weeks and everyone is going to bring up the death stats and all the crazy incidents that have happened, I don't think the average person realizes what a damaging sport this has been (physically and psychologically) to the people who do it. Again, I think we've reached the tipping point. Sorry to be so somber, but the Benoit thing... i mean, it's hard to explain how big he was in wrestling circles.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

The thing that bothers me about criticizing the tribute is that it did not focus on Benoit as a person. It focused on Benoit as a wrestler.

OJ Simpson was a great football player. He wasn't a great person.
Chris Benoit was a great wrestler....and that's exactly what all the WWE guys were talking about last night.

[KillMeTheKing26]

The thing that bothers me about criticizing the tribute is that it did not focus on Benoit as a person. It focused on Benoit as a wrestler.

OJ Simpson was a great football player. He wasn't a great person.
Chris Benoit was a great wrestler....and that's exactly what all the WWE guys were talking about last night.

no way.

a lot of the wrestlers talked about what a great person he was.
triple h, edge, jbl, king, i dont know who else.

in fact, i would say that some of them downplayed what a great wrestler he was, and upplayed what a great person he was.

[CarlMonday]

yeaaaaaaaaah it focused a lot on the person he was, i dont know what show that guy was watching.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

yeaaaaaaaaah it focused a lot on the person he was, i dont know what show that guy was watching.
I'm sorry, I didn't watch all 3 hours of teary eyed dudes.

The parts I saw focused more on him as a wrestler.

[CarlMonday]

well then dont make a statement about what the entire show consisted of, and you won't look like a dope.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

well then dont make a statement about what the entire show consisted of, and you won't look like a dope.
You're 23 and you like the WWE.

You might lose at life.

[CarlMonday]

do you know what is great, is that neither of those statements are true either.

so you are 0 for 3 on one page of a thread, i believe that makes you the loser at life.

also...you seem mad salty, get that cum out ya mouth boy.

[Broken Parachute]

This carlmonday kid loves WWE. He's just afraid to admit it.

[Vincewithouthee]

You can tell some, if not all, of the wrestlers talking last night knew/suspected what had happened. Those being Regal and Edge mostly.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

This carlmonday kid loves WWE. He's just afraid to admit it.
He's from fucking Maine. No matter what he says, we still win because his state, and therefore his life, are completely irrelevant to the country as a whole.

[CarlMonday]

This carlmonday kid loves WWE. He's just afraid to admit it.


hey bro!!!!

watch out or ill give you the f5!

[CarlMonday]

LOLOL 0 for 4, keeeeeeeeeeep it up

[Broken Parachute]

You can tell some, if not all, of the wrestlers talking last night knew/suspected what had happened. Those being Regal and Edge mostly.Edge's interview got me a little emotional. Not because of Benoit, but because of Edge himself. Losing Eddie, now Chris. Same goes for Malenko and those guys.

He's from fucking Maine. No matter what he says, we still win because his state, and therefore his life, are completely irrelevant to the country as a whole.Hey! Anything that has to do with Maine rules...

http://godsofsport.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/John%20Maine.jpg

hey bro!!!!

watch out or ill give you the f5!BRO! Brock Lesnar isn't even in the WWE anymore!!

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

LOLOL 0 for 4, keeeeeeeeeeep it up
Maine is the number one exporter of blueberries and toothpicks. The largest toothpick manufacturing plant in the United States is located in Strong, Maine. The Strong Wood Products Incorporated plant produces twenty million toothpicks a day.[7]

Holy shit. So important.

[Scott Weber]

The thing that bothers me about criticizing the tribute is that it did not focus on Benoit as a person. It focused on Benoit as a wrestler.

OJ Simpson was a great football player. He wasn't a great person.
Chris Benoit was a great wrestler....and that's exactly what all the WWE guys were talking about last night.
http://www.angelfire.com/sports/brookside/images/signal-out-j.gif
I'm sorry, I didn't watch all 3 hours of teary eyed dudes.

The parts I saw focused more on him as a wrestler.
http://www.angelfire.com/sports/brookside/images/signal-out-j.gif

You're 23 and you like the WWE.

You might lose at life.
http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/umpire_strike_three.jpg

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Edge's interview got me a little emotional. Not because of Benoit, but because of Edge himself. Losing Eddie, now Chris. Same goes for Malenko and those guys.

Hey! Anything that has to do with Maine rules...

http://godsofsport.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/John%20Maine.jpg

BRO! Brock Lesnar isn't even in the WWE anymore!!
John Maine was born in Virginia. FTW

[CarlMonday]

oooooooof when weber sons you, its time to just hang it up


oooh and a "FTW", look out boys its internet greatness.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

http://www.angelfire.com/sports/brookside/images/signal-out-j.gif

http://www.angelfire.com/sports/brookside/images/signal-out-j.gif


http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/umpire_strike_three.jpg
Thanks Weebs. You really brought alot to the discussion this evening.

[DaveFeelsRight]

pictures of weber pwning




game over

[CarlMonday]

dude should just walk away forever like matt kaufman did

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

dude should just walk away forever like matt kaufman did
Yeah that's not happening, you could never piss me off over the internet enough to make a scene and leave.

[CarlMonday]

page 8 says differently

[Scott Weber]

http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz1075outcome4.jpg
That's it for me! You've been great! See you next week!

[deadstar]

I feel bad for anyone that commits a murder, let alone murdering people of their or families. Something is really mssed up with someone that does that. Sadly, many pro wrestlers are likely into drugs and steroids. The long time on the road and the hits and bumps they take, its a pretty demanding life. Its ashame it ended up coming to this.

[Broken Parachute]

http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz1075outcome4.jpg
That's it for me! You've been great! See you next week!hahahahahahahaha

[Broken Parachute]

Oh, and by the way, more shit comes out..

His wife's body was bound and gagged.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Oh, and by the way, more shit comes out..

His wife's body was bound and gagged.
I've already read that she was tied at the wrists and ankles, I hadn't heard she was gagged

[Broken Parachute]

I've already read that she was tied at the wrists and ankles, I hadn't heard she was gaggedOops she wasn't gagged, I'm just used to hearing the expression I absent mindedly wrote it. She was only bound at the hands and feet. My bad.

[Broken Parachute]

She did have bruising on her lower back and front chest (I think) with blood on her head and face.

[EnderDove]

I feel bad for anyone that commits a murder, let alone murdering people of their or families. Something is really mssed up with someone that does that. Sadly, many pro wrestlers are likely into drugs and steroids. The long time on the road and the hits and bumps they take, its a pretty demanding life. Its ashame it ended up coming to this.

To say many are likely into drugs and steroids is a very broad and you have no evidence to support it. Years ago there were huge steroid problems, just like in baseball, many believed they did no harm to your body. There are still wrestlers that use steroids, however the main "drug" that gets abused in pro wrestling is 100% pain pills.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

To say many are likely into drugs and steroids is a very broad and you have no evidence to support it. Years ago there were huge steroid problems, just like in baseball, many believed they did no harm to your body. There are still wrestlers that use steroids, however the main "drug" that gets abused in pro wrestling is 100% pain pills.
The guys are still unnaturally large and chiseled.

I think that maybe some of the younger guys just coming up in the ranks may be roid-free, but there's no way that the older guys like Flair and Hogan who are still wrestling while being 50+ and still relatively jacked didn't use them in the past.

Curt Hennig, Davey Boy Smith and Eddie Guerrero all also had deaths that were attributed to steroids. They died in 2002, 2003 and 2005.

Smith (2002, 39 years old): An autopsy revealed that past anabolic steroid use may have played a part in his death, however no certain reason was found. It is apparent that stress, serious injuries, and the use of drugs took its toll on the wrestler. Bruce Hart claimed "Davey paid the price with steroid cocktails and human-growth hormones.

Hennig (2003, 44 years old): On February 10, 2003, Hennig was found dead in a Florida hotel room, just before a scheduled wrestling match. The Tampa Coroner's office and the Tampa Medical Examiner's office declared acute cocaine intoxication the official cause of his death. His father said a lethal combination of steroids and painkillers contributed to his death.

Guerrero (2005, 38 years old): Guerrero died of heart failure as a result of past drug abuse, including steroids and painkillers.

[Trainsaw]

dunno if it was mentioned here, but his son had track marks from where Benoit had been giving him growth hormones because he was so small.

the article makes it sound like Benoit was giving the kid HGH, and this wasn't done through a doctor whom would specialize in undersized children

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/2007/06/27/2007-06-27_tiny_son_got_illegal_boosts.html

[Scott Weber]

Not only is Chirs Benoit suspected of taking steroids at the time of his death, but the former wrestler who murdered his family is now also being accused (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/2007/06/27/2007-06-27_tiny_son_got_illegal_boosts.html ) of almost torturing his son.
Pro wrestler Chris Benoit apparently was pumping human-growth hormone into his 7-year-old son in the weeks before he killed his wife, the boy and himself at their suburban Atlanta home while consumed by “roid rage,” a prosecutor said yesterday.
Fayette County, Ga., District Attorney Scott Ballard said Daniel Benoit had needle marks on his arm. Ballard said he believed the boy had been given growth hormone because his parents considered the boy undersized.
“The boy was very small, even dwarfed,” Ballard said.
In addition to steroids, police found “a lot of prescription medication” at the Benoit household.

[Juliana101]

He really lost it at the end. That's just sickening.

[Broken Parachute]

It's not abnormal to give your kid growth hormones, but it really shouldn't happen. I had two friends who were extremely small for their age in grammar school, so their parents gave them growth steroids. They were prescription steroids, though.

[Broken Parachute]

dunno if it was mentioned here, but his son had track marks from where Benoit had been giving him growth hormones because he was so small.

the article makes it sound like Benoit was giving the kid HGH, and this wasn't done through a doctor whom would specialize in undersized children

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/2007/06/27/2007-06-27_tiny_son_got_illegal_boosts.html Yeah, it's one thing if you go through a doctor for it. It's another if you just administer it on your own.

[EnderDove]

The guys are still unnaturally large and chiseled.

I think that maybe some of the younger guys just coming up in the ranks may be roid-free, but there's no way that the older guys like Flair and Hogan who are still wrestling while being 50+ and still relatively jacked didn't use them in the past.

Curt Hennig, Davey Boy Smith and Eddie Guerrero all also had deaths that were attributed to steroids. They died in 2002, 2003 and 2005.

Smith (2002, 39 years old): An autopsy revealed that past anabolic steroid use may have played a part in his death, however no certain reason was found. It is apparent that stress, serious injuries, and the use of drugs took its toll on the wrestler. Bruce Hart claimed "Davey paid the price with steroid cocktails and human-growth hormones.

Hennig (2003, 44 years old): On February 10, 2003, Hennig was found dead in a Florida hotel room, just before a scheduled wrestling match. The Tampa Coroner's office and the Tampa Medical Examiner's office declared acute cocaine intoxication the official cause of his death. His father said a lethal combination of steroids and painkillers contributed to his death.

Guerrero (2005, 38 years old): Guerrero died of heart failure as a result of past drug abuse, including steroids and painkillers.

I'm not saying nobody in the business uses, you hit my point right on the head though, that most of the younger guys who are coming up through the ranks do not use like guys did in the past. There are still several that do such as Chris Masters, however they're much easier to spot now considering everyone doesn't look like them.

Hogan was on roids, that is no secret, I don't know if he would still be doing them today though since he is now more cautious about spending time with his family than ever.

I am willing to bet money that Flair did not use steroids. Have you seen him thirty years ago? He looks about like he does right now. I could be wrong, but Flair was never someone who was worried with being very strong or his physique.

Like I said, guys who are slowly coming up through the business now are not as prone to using steroids, there are some, but not near as many, especially with constant testing after the death of Guerrero.

[EnderDove]

What has happened is terrible, yet I'm really getting sick of the media taking something and running with it and it's not just this, it's something they always do, they think they must have an answer for crimes like this days after it happens.

There is no proof yet that steroids had anything to do the crimes, was Benoit using, very likely, however I hate how the media is just trying to chalk it up to that and play the "roid rage" angle.

Benoit's doctor was interviewed and stated he was still prescribing testosterone to Benoit due to Benoit lacking amounts in his body, most likely due to Steroid use earlier in his career.

All drugs that were found were also said to be prescribed and not from online pharmacies.

I'm not trying to make excuses for the events that happened, I'm just getting sick of everyone trying to find a reason and coming up with theories that can not be proved yet.

As for the HGH in the son, I find it odd that the DA would just mention something like that without evidence, unless of course they have some, otherwise just like the roids, they must wait for weeks to find out. Seems likely the kid was having something put in his body, however we don't know what and we don't know if it was being forced in or bought illegally.

So, media and everyone else, lets wait for some more facts and then piece together how things happened, go cover the Paris Hilton story since this one has awhile to go before everything will be all clear.

[Scott Weber]

It really doesn't matter if Benoit was roided out or not. He's the scum of the earth for what he did. The rest is irrelevant.

[Dr. Acula]

It really doesn't matter if Benoit was roided out or not. He's the scum of the earth for what he did. The rest is irrelevant.

Amen.

[kbauer]

yeah either way he was fucked up as could be thats the obvious bottom line but the question into this was did his steriod use lead to roid rage, an addiction and possible addictions to other drugs which could have warped him to a psychotic/paranoid point. this unfortunate situation could be used to exploit the steroid and drug culture in wrestling that has led to the 27 deaths of wrestlers under the age of 45 in the past 10 years. if they could bust steroid use in pro wrestling and try to make an example of them unlike theyve been able to do with baseball, take that oppurtunity. i would have to say if someone took action on this and got something done, the victims deaths wouldnt be in vain.

[Smash Adams]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070627/ap_on_re_us/wrestler_dead

interesting, hope this wasn't posted

[Scott Weber]

Benoit's kid was mentally disabled and he killed him? Holy god.

[Smash Adams]

Benoit's kid was mentally disabled and he killed him? Holy god.
yeah pretty much, it makes some sense but it's awful
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/fragilexsyndrome.html

[sarah.exkore]

I was just gonna come in and post about the Fragile X Syndrome thing, beat me to it. There's also an article about it on WWE.com, which pretty much says that he didn't talk to many people about his sons disabilities.

[Smash Adams]

I was just gonna come in and post about the Fragile X Syndrome thing, beat me to it. There's also an article about it on WWE.com, which pretty much says that he didn't talk to many people about his sons disabilities.
yeah this is starting to make a little more sense
can't blame him for that, can you imagine saying hey guys my kid is retarded and autistic

[EnderDove]

yeah this is starting to make a little more sense
can't blame him for that, can you imagine saying hey guys my kid is retarded and autistic

Well most poeple wouldn't put it that way if it was their child, you don't walk around and say, hey guys, I have a "retarded" kid.

I don't think it is making more sense, if anything it's just continuing to show how much trouble he was having with his family, since him and his wife disagreed on how to handle the condition.

Sadly I think this is just going to end up being one of those things where we will never know for sure why he did what he did or what caused him to do it. Maybe they still have more evidence they haven't released yet though, only time will tell.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

yeah this is starting to make a little more sense
can't blame him for that, can you imagine saying hey guys my kid is retarded and autistic


uh....GOOD parents, do openly discuss it with you know......their FRIENDS and PEERS.

[Smash Adams]

Well most poeple wouldn't put it that way if it was their child, you don't walk around and say, hey guys, I have a "retarded" kid.

I don't think it is making more sense, if anything it's just continuing to show how much trouble he was having with his family, since him and his wife disagreed on how to handle the condition.

Sadly I think this is just going to end up being one of those things where we will never know for sure why he did what he did or what caused him to do it. Maybe they still have more evidence they haven't released yet though, only time will tell.
I know
well it's a difficult situation
yeah well I don't know if knowing will change things
uh....GOOD parents, do openly discuss it with you know......their FRIENDS and PEERS.

oh not saying he was right at all

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

well do your parents openly discuss it with their friends or....

[Smash Adams]

well do your parents openly discuss it with their friends or....

are you saying that I'm retarded?
if so clever

they actually thought I had asperger's (mild autism) so I can understand this some

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

god damn i am fucking good

[Scott Weber]

...

[startBBtoday]

asperger's is actually like MAJOR autism, not mild

[Smash Adams]

god damn i am fucking good
yes you are
...
I'm done
asperger's is actually like MAJOR autism, not mild

nope it's mild
http://www.aspergers.com/aspclin.htm

[thejetstolehome]

asperger's is actually like MAJOR autism, not mild

i was always under the impression that asperger's was a "step below" autism.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

aspergers is definitely not major autism, most kids with aspergers are pretty high functional and can even attend normal high schools

[thejetstolehome]

aspergers is definitely not major autism, most kids with aspergers are pretty high functional and can even attend normal high schools

yeah, i think my neighbors' kids both have it.

[startBBtoday]

i can admit when i'm wrong. i got confused somewhere, i just know their social problems are pretty high.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

they are just really awkward around people, and they freak out.

there was a kid in Mass this year in high school that stabbed a kid to death.

[jaimej]

aspergers is definitely not major autism, most kids with aspergers are pretty high functional and can even attend normal high schools
Like that kid with the vacation videos on youtube. I fucking hope those are real.

[CarlMonday]

dax flame is definitely not real, but yes he is supposed to have aspergers.

like........GLUUUUUUUUE

[Broken Parachute]

http://rajah.com/base/node/8393

This case keeps getting weirder.

[EnderDove]

http://rajah.com/base/node/8393

This case keeps getting weirder.

I was really thinking the coverage was going to start slowing down a bit today, however after this I don't see that happening. I didn't see anything about this yet on any news show, I'm sure there will be something tonight.

One other thing just released today I think, ten empty bear cans were found in the house, along with a empty wine bottle that was found very near Chris Benoit's body.

[EnderDove]

Chris Jericho was just on Nancy Grace, usually I wouldn't watch the program considering the things she has said in the past, however Jericho's comments have been some I've been waiting to hear. Hopefully it's up on the net soon.

[Broken Parachute]

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[xbrokendownx]

this is some weird ass shit

[vandalroyale]

I was really thinking the coverage was going to start slowing down a bit today, however after this I don't see that happening. I didn't see anything about this yet on any news show, I'm sure there will be something tonight.

One other thing just released today I think, ten empty bear cans were found in the house, along with a empty wine bottle that was found very near Chris Benoit's body.

i was just going to post this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2919341

now thats creepy

[EnderDove]

Ultimate Warrior is going to be on Fox News tonight discussing it. I don't think they could've picked a worse person to comment on it since the man could possibly be insane, however maybe they're looking for an example of how steroids can screw you up.

[EnderDove]

Something I just read in an article that does need to be looked at, maybe it already is. Multiple concussions that Benoit suffered over the length of his entire career and how this, along with the abuse his head not to mention once broken neck were taking, could've affected his mental state.