2007 MLB All Star Game thread

[Broken Parachute]

I'll edit it as the show goes on today and we can use this thread to discuss the game as well as the picks for it.

American League
Manager: Jim Leyland and his coaching staff
Coaches: Ron Gardenhire
Coaches: Ron Washington
C: Ivan Rodriguez
1B: David Ortiz
2B: Placido Polanco
3B: Alex Rodriguez
SS: Derek Jeter
RF: Vladimir Guerrero
CF: Magglio Ordonez
LF: Ichiro Suzuki
Reserve: Victor Martinez
Reserve: Jorge Posada
Reserve: Justin Morneau
Reserve: Mike Lowell
Reserve: Brian Roberts
Reserve: Carlos Guillen
Reserve: Michael Young
Reserve: Carl Crawford
Reserve: Torii Hunter
Reserve: Manny Ramirez
Reserve: Alex Rios
Reserve: Grady Sizemore

P: Josh Beckett
P: Dan Haren
P: Gil Meche
P: John Lackey
P: CC Sabathia
P: Johan Santana
P: Justin Verlander
P: JJ Putz
P: Jon Papelbon
P: Bobby Jenks
P: Francisco Rodriguez

Reserve or Pitcher: (fans choose)

National League
Manager: Tony LaRussa and his coaching staff
Coaches: Willie Randolph (will not attend)
Coaches: Bruce Bochy
C: Russell Martin
1B: Prince Fielder
2B: Chase Utley
3B: David Wright
SS: Jose Reyes
RF: Ken Griffey, Jr.
CF: Carlos Beltran
LF: Barry Bonds
Reserve: Brian McCann
Reserve: Albert Pujols
Reserve: Derrek Lee
Reserve: Dmitri Young
Reserve: Orlando Hudson
Reserve: Freddy Sanchez
Reserve: Miguel Cabrera
Reserve: JJ Hardy
Reserve: Alfonso Soriano
Reserve: Carlos Lee
Reserve: Matt Holliday
Reserve: Aaron Rowand

P: Cole Hamels
P: Jake Peavy
P: Brad Penny
P: Ben Sheets
P: John Smoltz
P: Billy Wagner
P: Jose Valverde
P: Takashi Saito
P: Trevor Hoffman
P: Brian Fuentes
P: Francisco Cordero

Reserve or Pitcher: (fans choose)

[rcrook]

Fix the managers you flipped them

[bjam12]

How soon until we get the NL starters?

[Broken Parachute]

hahahaha oops

[youkwalks]

I tried to get tickets, but they cost more than im worth and already sold out.

I have no problem selling my soul for All-Star game tickets, but those things are hard to come by.

[Broken Parachute]

No Orlando Cabrera, no Kevin Youkilis.

Tough to leave them out.

[LeftWideOpen]

youkilis will win the fan vote.

either that or he'll take manny's spot once he drops out

[bjam12]

Nevermind, I didn't realize this was on TBS haha.

[Broken Parachute]

youkilis will win the fan vote.

either that or he'll take manny's spot once he drops outYoukilis is the one guy who deserves it more than any reserve I think. I hope he gets the fan vote.

[LeftWideOpen]

Youkilis is the one guy who deserves it more than any reserve I think. I hope he gets the fan vote.

yeah he will, i imagine. people will vote for him like crazy. i'm glad lowell got some recognition ..hes carried the sox from time to time.

[rcrook]

No Orlando Cabrera, no Kevin Youkilis.

Tough to leave them out.


AWWW Horseshit no Cabrera. Fuck Michael Young

Michael Young: .291 ba, 4 hr, 48 rbi's 45 runs 10 errors at SS

Orlando Cabrera: .337 ba, 5 hr, 48 rbis 53 runs 4 errors at SS

[LeftWideOpen]

happy to see papelbon and beckett picked. wish okajima was on there, too ..but i knew that was a longshot.

[Broken Parachute]

hahaha Gil Meche

[LeftWideOpen]

AWWW Horseshit no Cabrera. Fuck Michael Young

Michael Young: .291 ba, 4 hr, 48 rbi's 45 runs 10 errors at SS

Orlando Cabrera: .337 ba, 5 hr, 48 rbis 53 runs 4 errors at SS

thats the "every team must be represented" clause for you.

[bjam12]

AWWW Horseshit no Cabrera. Fuck Michael Young

Michael Young: .291 ba, 4 hr, 48 rbi's 45 runs 10 errors at SS

Orlando Cabrera: .337 ba, 5 hr, 48 rbis 53 runs 4 errors at SS

Ya it sucks but Texas needed a representative.

[Broken Parachute]

The Rangers needed someone to make it, otherwise it would have been Cabrera over Young.

[Broken Parachute]

Fuck the every team rule. It's good for the game, but guys get screwed.

Bonderman got screwed, too.

[LeftWideOpen]

hahaha Gil Meche

I thought Teahen deserved the automatic bid from KC, but they arent going to waste an OF reserve spot on an automatic pick.

oh, and i take back youk winning the fan vote IF Okajima is also a nominee ..they may split votes. But I dont think Okajima will be one of the nominees.

[rcrook]

The Rangers needed someone to make it, otherwise it would have been Cabrera over Young.


At what point do we get rid of this every team needs a representative? I may be splurring out some Angels bias but Cabrera is ahead of Young in every category including hitting .46 better than Young. When is it time that the more deserving player gets the nod instead of the player who is named because his team doesn't have a representative?

[Broken Parachute]

Miguel Cabrera is going to get screwed, too. He should be in over David Wright, but the fans will vote Wright in.

[bduke13]

Fuck the every team rule. It's good for the game, but guys get screwed.

Bonderman got screwed, too.

There are some other pitchers that have had better years then Bonderman that didn't make it

[LeftWideOpen]

At what point do we get rid of this every team needs a representative? I may be splurring out some Angels bias but Cabrera is ahead of Young in every category including hitting .46 better than Young. When is it time that the more deserving player gets the nod instead of the player who is named because his team doesn't have a representative?

a couple guys get screwed every year ..cabrera wasnt such an obvious choice that its a colossal mistake to omit him. young was the most deserving from texas and put up decent enough numbers.

its not like we're talking mark redman here.

edit:this is coming from a huge cabrera fan. if i had my way, he'd still be in Boston.

[Broken Parachute]

I thought Teahen deserved the automatic bid from KC, but they arent going to waste an OF reserve spot on an automatic pick.

oh, and i take back youk winning the fan vote IF Okajima is also a nominee ..they may split votes. But I dont think Okajima will be one of the nominees.They couldn't get around it. Michael Young had to make the team. It sucks.

At what point do we get rid of this every team needs a representative? I may be splurring out some Angels bias but Cabrera is ahead of Young in every category including hitting .46 better than Young. When is it time that the more deserving player gets the nod instead of the player who is named because his team doesn't have a representative?Yeah, it's pretty dumb. They want to give "every fan a reason to watch."

Real fans will watch either way.

[bduke13]

Good to see that the AL has the right 2 Second Basemen too

[Broken Parachute]

There are some other pitchers that have had better years then Bonderman that didn't make itSuch as..?

[bduke13]

Have they announced who is going to be on the fan ballot yet? I bet it will be something like Youkilis, Bedard, Bonderman, Cabrera and Gaudin

[LeftWideOpen]

yay to Fielder over Pujols and Howard.

but a big "fuck no" to beltran

[LeftWideOpen]

bonds is in!

edit: i dont like bonds ..but he deserves this.

[bduke13]

Such as..?

Bedard, Gaudin, Blanton, Daisuke, and Escobar have all had years just as good if not better than him

[bjam12]

Dammit, Bonds is a starter. I'm still amazed that he has that many fans.

[Broken Parachute]

David Wright and Carlos Beltran are the only bad choice in the starters.

Miguel Cabrera and Matt Holliday should replace them as starters.

[rcrook]

Congrats to Griffey

[rcrook]

David Wright and Carlos Beltran are the only bad choice in the starters.

Miguel Cabrera and Matt Holliday should replace them as starters.


Thank you for not showing a Mets bias. Matt Holliday should be in over Beltran, nobody can argue Beltran deserves it more.

[Broken Parachute]

Reyes is the only one who deserves it. He's got almost 40 SB's already, he's hitting around .320 and for a leadoff guy he's got 30+ RBI's and 55 Runs.

[LeftWideOpen]

great starting pitching and all, i think the AL is going to have an easy time w/ the NL.

penny, peavy, etc may have a hard time adjusting to AL hitters. we already saw peavy struggle w/ the sox ...and we cant hit robinson tejada right now.

[rcrook]

Matt Holliday: .349 BA, 13 HR, 62 RBI, 49 runs

Carlos Beltran: .274 BA, 14 HR, 49 RBI, 45 Runs



WOW, Holliday is hitting .75 better than Beltran. The fans fucked that one up

[Broken Parachute]

It's all New York, what did you expect? A guy in Colorado isn't going to be as popular as a big money guy in New York.

[rcrook]

It's all New York, what did you expect? A guy in Colorado isn't going to be as popular as a big money guy in New York.


Well I know its a big market vs. small market thing but I just feel bad for a guy hitting .75 better to get snubbed like that.

[LeftWideOpen]

if managers had any balls, they could make a statement by pulling the undeserving guys (like Beltran) after the 1st inning and replacing them w/ the ones who belong there (like Holliday).

that'll never happen though

[Broken Parachute]

Jose Reyes, David Wright, Billy Wagner, and John Maine should make the team.

Reyes should be the only starter.

I think any Met fan would agree to that...except for Kaufman, and Matt Regan.

[Broken Parachute]

Chris Young is going to get snubbed, I just know it.

Ian Snell should be on there, or even Tom Gorzelanny.

[bduke13]

Peavy, Penny, Smoltz, Maine, Young, Snell, Webb, Cordero, Hoffman, Saito, and Wagner are my guesses

[StandMyBrothers]

I really want to see the final spot voting

[bjam12]

Jose Reyes, David Wright, Billy Wagner, and John Maine should make the team.

Reyes should be the only starter.

I think any Met fan would agree to that...except for Kaufman, and Matt Regan.

I don't think Wright should have even made the all-star team. It should be Cabrera and Aramis at 3B.

[rcrook]

I think the only snub worse than Holliday is Andruw Jones.

[Broken Parachute]

FREDDY SANCHEZ?

Are they serious?

[bduke13]

I dont think Snell will be picked since Freddy Sanchez was which is kind of stupid

[Broken Parachute]

I don't think Wright should have even made the all-star team. It should be Cabrera and Aramis at 3B.Aramis and Wright have the same stats almost and Wright has 17 SB's and like 10 more runs which probably puts him over the top.

[LeftWideOpen]

la russa musta made that decision right before he parked at that traffic light in spring training.

[bduke13]

Brian Fuentes & Jose Valverde???? over Snell, Maine, Hoffman and Isringhausen??? Is this a joke?

[Broken Parachute]

no John Maine :bluesad:

[bduke13]

I think MLB should make a rule that Tony LaRussa is never allowed to be the All-Star manager again

[LeftWideOpen]

well, cross the Padres out as a potential world series champion. they were only gonna win if they had home field advantage and thats clearly not going to be the case.

[Drew Beringer]

4 Brewers and Soriano is not starting. That makes me happy.

[Broken Parachute]

I love how Freddy Sanchez made it.

Take out Sanchez, put in Aramis Ramirez
Take out Valverde, put in Snell
Take out Fuentes, put in Maine or Young

Trevor Hoffman deserves it, but his numbers haven't been overwhelming.

[Drew Beringer]

Only the Mets, Red Sox, and Tigers have more All Stars than the Brewers.

[Drew Beringer]

Weird not seeing Ryan Howard on the NL Roster.

[bduke13]

Freddy Sanchez over Hanley Ramirez, Edgar Renteria, and Jimmy Rollins? I wonder why he didn't pick one of those 3 and Ian Snell instead of Fuentes or Valverde

[Broken Parachute]

I'm guessing the lineups are going to be:

AL SP - Dan Haren
NL SP - Jake Peavy

AL
Ichiro
Jeter
ARod
Ortiz
Vlad
Maggs
Pudge
Polanco
Haren

NL
Reyes
Utley
Griffey
Bonds
Prince
Beltran
Wright
Martin
Peavy

[bjam12]

Aramis and Wright have the same stats almost and Wright has 17 SB's and like 10 more runs which probably puts him over the top.

Wright does have 10 errors, Ramirez has 3.

[Broken Parachute]

Freddy Sanchez over Hanley Ramirez, Edgar Renteria, and Jimmy Rollins? I wonder why he didn't pick one of those 3 and Ian Snell instead of Fuentes or ValverdeRollins and Rowand were a tossup, I knew it was going to be only one of them so that choice isn't too horrible. Edgar should definitely be in over Sanchez, and Snell in over Fuentes.

[bduke13]

I think the only position the NL got right is 1B

[VoiceoffCamera]

4 Brewers!!!

Sweeeet

[Broken Parachute]

Wright does have 10 errors, Ramirez has 3.Aramis played 18 less games, too.

Doesn't really matter, it's not like the coaches are that fair...they won't check defense.

I'm still confused how the hell Freddy Sanchez made it.

[Broken Parachute]

Maine isn't even a final vote in, I'm going to cry.

I'm voting Chris Young or the NL, Hideki Okajima in the AL.

[bjam12]

Youk not even on the fan ballot.

[Broken Parachute]

Wow, Youk got hosed.

The AL final vote is tough.

Neshek, Escobar, Bonderman, and Okajima all deserve it.

Bedard, Gaudin, and Youk should have been on there.

[bduke13]

ROY HALLADAY????? that is absolutely horrible that Halladay is on that ballot and Bedard is not. I guess the only stat that counts is Wins......

[bjam12]

Aramis played 18 less games, too.




Which means his numbers would be even higher. Not a big deal, Wright is deserving to be in there too. I'm more happy D-Lee made it. I wasn't sure if he would get in because his power numbers are low but LaRussa made the right choice.

[Broken Parachute]

Halladay's ERA is over 4 and he was on the DL for a while hahaha damn.

[Broken Parachute]

Which means his numbers would be even higher. Not a big deal, Wright is deserving to be in there too. I'm more happy D-Lee made it. I wasn't sure if he would get in because his power numbers are low but LaRussa made the right choice.Let's be honest, Ramirez should have made it over Freddy Sanchez. Sanchez is the real villain here.

[bduke13]

Halladay's ERA is over 4 and he was on the DL for a while hahaha damn.

This is horrible. I could probably name 15-20 people who deserve to be on that ballot more than he does

[Drew Beringer]

ROY HALLADAY????? that is absolutely horrible that Halladay is on that ballot and Bedard is not. I guess the only stat that counts is Wins......
seriously, Bedard should be on it.

[Broken Parachute]

I would rather no Mets make it but Maine, that's how awesome Maine has been.

[bjam12]

Let's be honest, Ramirez should have made it over Freddy Sanchez. Sanchez is the real villain here.

Ya, I realize Pitt needs a rep but there are more deserving Pirates than him.

[Broken Parachute]

This is horrible. I could probably name 15-20 people who deserve to be on that ballot more than he does

seriously, Bedard should be on it.Bedard, Gaudin, and Blanton are the big ones.

[rcrook]

Brian Fuentesssssssssssssssssss?

[Drew Beringer]

I want a Brewers fitted cap with the AS patch on the side, so far they have only have 8 teams available for sale, kinda lame, I hope they have all 30. http://shop.mlb.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2623723&cp=2623720

[Drew Beringer]

Brian Fuentesssssssssssssssssss?
Talk about a huge L O L!

[bduke13]

This would be my NL reserves

C - Estrada
1B - Lee
1B - Pujols
1B - Young
2B - Hudson
SS - Rollins
SS - Ramirez
3B - Cabrera
OF - Holliday
OF - Lee
OF - Soriano
OF - Byrnes

P: Cole Hamels
P: Jake Peavy
P: Brad Penny
P: Ben Sheets
P: John Smoltz
P: Billy Wagner
P: Ian Snell
P: Takashi Saito
P: John Maine
P: Chris Young
P: Francisco Cordero

[rcrook]

Talk about a huge L O L!


Drew, let me do a lil statistical breakdown about Fuentes in his last 5 appearances.


0-4, 3 1/3 innings, 13 hits, 10 earned runs, and 4 blown saves. If that's not all star caliber right there than I don't know what is.

[ForlrnPerplxity]

The HR derby is going to be badass in this park.

I just hope they don't do some stupid bullshit as "represent your own country" thing again. They left out some guys because of that last year.

[Broken Parachute]

hahahahah John Kruk is an asshole. Of course Rollins has 14 HR's, look at the ballpark he's hitting in.

[Broken Parachute]

"That's why you're not a GM and you're here with us..."

hahahaha I'll never understand how John Kruk keeps his job.

[Drew Beringer]

This would be my NL reserves

C - Estrada
1B - Lee
1B - Pujols
1B - Young
2B - Hudson
SS - Rollins
SS - Ramirez
3B - Cabrera
OF - Holliday
OF - Lee
OF - Soriano
OF - Byrnes

P: Cole Hamels
P: Jake Peavy
P: Brad Penny
P: Ben Sheets
P: John Smoltz
P: Billy Wagner
P: Ian Snell
P: Takashi Saito
P: John Maine
P: Chris Young
P: Francisco Cordero
You would take JJ Hardy out at SS?

[Broken Parachute]

Reyes/Hardy > Ramirez > Rollins

Rollins offensive numbers are better than Reyes and Ramirez, but look at the ballpark he hits in and he's hitting in front of Howard/Utley. Reyes is hitting in front of a slumping Beltran/Delgado this year and he has 40 SB's.

[bduke13]

And my AL reserves

C - Martinez
1B - Morneau
2B - Roberts
SS - Guillen
SS - Cabrera
SS - Young
3B - Lowell
OF - Sizemore
OF - Rios
OF - Hunter
OF - Crawford
OF - Sheffield

I don't think I would change the pitchers

[Broken Parachute]

And my AL reserves

C - Martinez
1B - Morneau
2B - Roberts
SS - Guillen
SS - Cabrera
SS - Young
3B - Lowell
OF - Sizemore
OF - Rios
OF - Hunter
OF - Crawford
OF - Sheffield

I don't think I would change the pitchersYou wouldn't add in Bedard or Gaudin?

[rcrook]

Brian Fuentessssssssssssssss?

[Broken Parachute]

Bobby Jenks lol

[bduke13]

You would take JJ Hardy out at SS?

I would definitly put Rollins in. He has 18 more runs and 15 more SB's. Their averages are about the same and Hardy has 3 more RBI and 5 more HR's. I am a little biased because I like speed way more then power.

Ramirez's average is 40 points higher, he has 18 more runs and 24 more SB's. Hardy has 7 more HR's and 22 more RBI. I would rather have the faster guy with the higher average but that is probably just me being biased

[Momo32T]

the NL snubbed so many great pitchers...Lowe, Hudson, Young, Webb

[bduke13]

You wouldn't add in Bedard or Gaudin?

I would like to but who would I take out? Jenks and Miche both aren't that great but I wouldn't know who to add from KC and Chicago

[KillMeTheKing26]

jon kruk and that black guy who's name escapes me are idiots.

jimmy rollins has 14 home runs and more runs scored than reyes.

of course he does!

he hits in a ballpark the size of my basement and has chase utley and ryan howard behind him.

we're talking about a LEADOFF hitter. key stats: BA, OBP, SB.

reyes has got jimmy rollins beat in all of those.

[rcrook]

Let's all stop the all start game bickering for a minute and watch aramis ramirez get his junk pulled on in the dugout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gDIgXi2Eks&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdeadspin%2Ecom%2F

[DaveFeelsRight]

surprised mark buehrledidnt make it

[Broken Parachute]

surprised mark buehrledidnt make itHe's only got 66 K's.

[Momo32T]

sammy sosa seemed more worthy than michael young of the ranger's representative...he's fourth in the AL in rbis

[DaveFeelsRight]

He's only got 66 K's.well, it was a toss up between bobby jenks and buehrle who was gonna represent the sox. but i think buerhrle would have the edge cause of the no no

[StandMyBrothers]

Chad Gaudin got jipped majorly

[deadstar]

Nice to see Freddy Sanchez on the squad. Consider it a reward for last year winning the batting title.

[rcrook]

Nice to see Freddy Sanchez on the squad. Consider it a reward for last year winning the batting title.


hmmm the last time i checked the all star game rewarded players for what they did THIS season

[deadstar]

hmmm the last time i checked the all star game rewarded players for what they did THIS season
Says who? I dont think Cal Ripken deserved his last all-star game (I might be wrong about that). Now, not to compare Sanchez to Ripken, but theres nothing wrong with rewarding Sanchez for a great 2nd half and winning a batting title on a terrible team.

[livethesounds]

Oswalt might be the least deserving this year of the final NLAS roster spot, but i'm voting for him like crazy.

Lee's spot was well deserved. he's the only guy thats been producing all year non stop.

[Broken Parachute]

Says who? I dont think Cal Ripken deserved his last all-star game (I might be wrong about that). Now, not to compare Sanchez to Ripken, but theres nothing wrong with rewarding Sanchez for a great 2nd half and winning a batting title on a terrible team....because it's the 2007 All Star Game, not the 2006-2007 All Star Game. Don't even try to argue that Freddy Sanchez deserves it, there are about 10 other guys more deserving, including my grandmother.

[rcrook]

Says who? I dont think Cal Ripken deserved his last all-star game (I might be wrong about that). Now, not to compare Sanchez to Ripken, but theres nothing wrong with rewarding Sanchez for a great 2nd half and winning a batting title on a terrible team.

Well in that case we should reward Andruw Jones for hitting 41 homers and 130 RBI's. Let's pull Matt Holliday out of the All Star Game so we can reward Jones for his numbers last year.

[deadstar]

...because it's the 2007 All Star Game, not the 2006-2007 All Star Game. Don't even try to argue that Freddy Sanchez deserves it, there are about 10 other guys more deserving, including my grandmother.
I'm not arguing he desevred it at all. Thats why I said consider it a reward for winning the batting title.

[rcrook]

I'm not arguing he desevred it at all. Thats why I said consider it a reward for winning the batting title.


Dude you just gotta say that he made it because he is on the Pirates not because he is the former batting champ.

[deadstar]

Geez. LaRussa just wanted a guy he could stick at the end of the bench the entire game. I dont know why all-star game selections are such a big deal to so many. I know many want to see thier guys in it. To me, for the fringe guys, it carries as much weight as a gold glove.

[deadstar]

Dude you just gotta say that he made it because he is on the Pirates not because he is the former batting champ.
He could have picked Gorzelanny or Snell and no one would have questioned it at all. Stop being a pompous prick of a fan just because your team is successful.

[rcrook]

This whole each team representative horseshit needs to stop. Too many quality players on quality teams are being left out because players like Michael Young and Freddy Sanchez are getting selected.

[rcrook]

He could have picked Gorzelanny or Snell and no one would have questioned it at all. Stop being a pompous prick of a fan just because your team is successful.


Yes you are absolutely right I'm hating on Freddy Sanchez because the Angels are successful. That makes so much sense on my part. I'm not saying the Pirates didn't deserve an all star but I'm saying that Sanchez didn't deserve IT. I would have picked Snell, even maybe Gorzelanny but not Sanchez.

[deadstar]

And you're retarded if you cant see that I'm using the "won the batting title" argument for a reason why he DID make it when he shouldnt have.

[Broken Parachute]

He could have picked Gorzelanny or Snell and no one would have questioned it at all. Stop being a pompous prick of a fan just because your team is successful.Nobody would have complained because they deserve it. Sanchez is just having an awful year. Ryan Doumit is probably more deserving.

[rcrook]

And you're retarded if you cant see that I'm using the "won the batting title" argument for a reason why he DID make it when he shouldnt have.


I'm off the whole batting title subject because that is obviously why he got onto the roster. I'm onto the fact that you called me a pompous prick of a fan because my team is succesful. That is absurd of you to say that. Because the Angels are successful is why I can shit all over Freddy Sanchez. False.

[deadstar]

Nobody would have complained because they deserve it. Sanchez is just having an awful year. Ryan Doumit is probably more deserving.
I wouldnt call it awful, but certainly not all-star worthy.

[Broken Parachute]

I wouldnt call it awful, but certainly not all-star worthy.It's awful if you compare it to last year where he was pretty much unstoppable at the plate.

[deadstar]

Dude you just gotta say that he made it because he is on the Pirates not because he is the former batting champ.

I'm off the whole batting title subject because that is obviously why he got onto the roster. I'm onto the fact that you called me a pompous prick of a fan because my team is succesful. That is absurd of you to say that. Because the Angels are successful is why I can shit all over Freddy Sanchez. False.

The bolded is you being a prick of a fan. Its easy to say when you're team is successful.

[deadstar]

It's awful if you compare it to last year where he was pretty much unstoppable at the plate.
True, but he was slowed with a knee injury at the beginning of a season and started slowly. He's looking a lot better lately.

[rcrook]

The bolded is you being a prick of a fan. Its easy to say when you're team is successful.

Okay, I'm going to be nice about this as best as I can. Say Sanchez had won the batting title with say the Mets, Dodgers, Padres last year and then produced the numbers he has this year on that same team he would not be on the all star roster for this year. The only reason he is on the roster is because the Pirates need a representative. They are not very good and lack a good amount of people that are possibly all star roster worthy, thus the reason that Sanchez was placed onto the all star roster.

[deadstar]

And I already responded to that by saying they have other more deserving players who no one would have questioned if they were selected such as Gorzelanny and Snell. Hence my argument that LaRussa is rewarding him for the title and just needs another bench player to stick on the end of the bench.

[StandMyBrothers]

I voted Chris Young and Pat Neshek

[thejetstolehome]

i didn't see Matt Holliday on there for a second and i almost killed.

[rcrook]

And I already responded to that by saying they have other more deserving players who no one would have questioned if they were selected such as Gorzelanny and Snell. Hence my argument that LaRussa is rewarding him for the title and just needs another bench player to stick on the end of the bench.


And I agreed that Gorzelanny and Snell deserved a sport more than Sanchez, thus disregarding me being a pompous prick of a fan. Just a little misunderstanding between us that is all.

[rcrook]

I voted Chris Young and Pat Neshek


BOOOO Vote Escobar, use your OC bias no matter who you root for.

[deadstar]

I would vote Chris Young. He deserves it over the others.

[deadstar]

Alright its cool. Sorry.

[rcrook]

Alright its cool. Sorry.

No worries, just a ap.net debate. Speaking of the Pirates I went to a party the other night and a bunch of guys were wearing Pirates hats. I think they're "crew" uses it as their logo. Funny thing is the party was in Newport Beach. So I guess the Orange County gang wears Pirates hats. Fucking gay.

[deadstar]

No worries, just a ap.net debate. Speaking of the Pirates I went to a party the other night and a bunch of guys were wearing Pirates hats. I think they're "crew" uses it as their logo. Funny thing is the party was in Newport Beach. So I guess the Orange County gang wears Pirates hats. Fucking gay.
A lot of people wear black and gold (pittsburgh type) stuff. I think its a gang thing.

[thejetstolehome]

Thank you for not showing a Mets bias. Matt Holliday should be in over Jesus.

fixed.

[deadstar]

fixed.
Your colorado bias is SHOCKING!

[thejetstolehome]

Your colorado bias is SHOCKING!

i have a huge man crush on Holliday.

i'm also really glad Polanco is starting.

[Broken Parachute]

Even though the teams are pretty even, you could have made a case for Casey Blake, Carlos Pena, Brandon Phillips, Michael Cuddyer, Adrian Gonzalez, and Bengie Molina.

They didn't get snubbed, but I wouldn't have complained if they made it.

[rcrook]

Even though the teams are pretty even, you could have made a case for Casey Blake, Carlos Pena, Brandon Phillips, Michael Cuddyer, Adrian Gonzalez, and Bengie Molina.

They didn't get snubbed, but I wouldn't have complained if they made it.

And Andruw Jones

[Broken Parachute]

And Andruw Joneshahaha yeah with his .200 BA

[Goodbye Forever]

I would have rather had Beltran and Wagner not make it and Maine be in the game. Oh well.

[Broken Parachute]

I would have rather had Beltran and Wagner not make it and Maine be in the game. Oh well.That's exactly what I said.

[StandMyBrothers]

"Granderson did receive 376,033 write-in votes, the most of any player in the Majors. That total would have placed him ahead of Alex Rios, who appeared on the actual ballot and was selected to the AL team by manager Jim Leyland. Rios received 316,033 votes."
All because he sacrificed his spot to Gary Sheffield

[bigmike]

I don't care about the all-star game. The only thing I'm worried about is that Magglio's probably going to be in the HR Derby. Which is just what I don't want considering he's going to slow down eventually, I don't want his swing getting fucked up.

Also, I bet bondo get's the final roster spot on the strength of his game last night on national television. He's got decent numbers. I don't think he should make it, though. For me, it's Okajima or Neshek.

And Carlos Guillen is the most underrated hitter in the AL. He was behind Jeter in the players voting, as well. Ridiculous.

[LeftWideOpen]

dont even bother wasting your time voting for the AL guy ..it's gonna be Okajima. Red Sox fans across the country + japanese fans ..its a lock.

[Broken Parachute]

It's so tough to have to choose between Neshek and Okajima.

[bigmike]

dont even bother wasting your time voting for the AL guy ..it's gonna be Okajima. Red Sox fans across the country + japanese fans ..its a lock.
I don't vote for the all-star game. But I'm sure it'll be Okajima. I'd rather see Neshek in there. You know, showin' love to mid-major college kids and the AL Central.

[Broken Parachute]

rcrook is going to vote a billion times for Kelvim Escobar.

[rcrook]

rcrook is going to vote a billion times for Kelvim Escobar.


Negative, no computer for the next week means no voting for Kelvim.

[Broken Parachute]

pwned

[deadstar]

rcrook is going to vote a billion times for Kelvim Escobar.
Cabo cabo cabo....cabo anyone?

[LeftWideOpen]

I don't vote for the all-star game. But I'm sure it'll be Okajima. I'd rather see Neshek in there. You know, showin' love to mid-major college kids and the AL Central.

i love neshek ..and i would have loved to see both make it. i'm giving the nod to Okajima, though, w/ the better ERA and the 4 saves. it also doesnt hurt that i'm a sox fan ..you can make a case for both.

[bigmike]

i love neshek ..and i would have loved to see both make it. i'm giving the nod to Okajima, though, w/ the better ERA and the 4 saves. it also doesnt hurt that i'm a sox fan ..you can make a case for both.
For sure. I agree. If I cared, I wouldn't mind either of them and wish they both could get the nod.

[Split2nd]

lol Dmitri Young

[Broken Parachute]

Dmitri Young is good. He's the only guy on the team that's any good..

[crit]

dont even bother wasting your time voting for the AL guy ..it's gonna be Okajima. Red Sox fans across the country + japanese fans ..its a lock.
yeah, i have no doubt he'll win it. right now he's ahead...and chris young is winning in the NL.

[crit]

justin morneau and ryan howard (last years champ) have been confirmed for the home run derby.

[White Noise]

American league all day!

[xbrokendownx]

and all night and twice on sundays!!!!!!!11

[Scott Weber]

Who's the NL starter? Brad Penny or Jake Peavy?

[Drew Beringer]

Who's the NL starter? Brad Penny or Jake Peavy?
haha what a mindfuck of a decision, both guys deserve it.

[youkwalks]

Who's the NL starter? Brad Penny or Jake Peavy?
If its not Jake Peavy its an injustice.

[Broken Parachute]

Didn't Penny start last year, too? I'd give it to Peavy just because Penny started last year. They both deserve it, so it's a tossup anyway.

[Scott Weber]

If its not Jake Peavy its an injustice.
Earlier when I was watching ESPN they seemed to think it would be Penny. Both pitchers have been outstanding, Peavy obviously has the edge in K's, Penny with a slight edge in ERA and wins, but the other stats are ridiculously close, IP, Walks, HRs allowed. I think Peavy's stats overall merit him starting though.

[youkwalks]

Earlier when I was watching ESPN they seemed to think it would be Penny. Both pitchers have been outstanding, Peavy obviously has the edge in K's, Penny with a slight edge in ERA and wins, but the other stats are ridiculously close, IP, Walks, HRs allowed. I think Peavy's stats overall merit him starting though.
A 2.09 ERA and a 2.00 ERA is nothing. Peavy has given up 26 ER to Penny's 25.

Peavy dominates in K's so he should get it.

[CubbyNick42]

Maggs, Vlad, Prince, Morneau, and Howard confirmed so far for the Derby. Did I miss anyone?

[Goodbye Forever]

Cabrera.

[Audition101]

Soriano got screwed over by Bonds.

[LeftWideOpen]

Soriano: AVG .310 | HR 15 | RBI 33 | OBP .353 | SLG .535
Bonds : AVG .302 | HR 17 | RBI 42 | OBP .517 | SLG .604

the OBP, alone, is reason enough for Bonds to be there over Soriano. Then throw in every other stat, and its a no brainer.

[Scott Weber]

Soriano: AVG .310 | HR 15 | RBI 33 | OBP .353 | SLG .535
Bonds : AVG .302 | HR 17 | RBI 42 | OBP .517 | SLG .604

the OBP, alone, is reason enough for Bonds to be there over Soriano. Then throw in every other stat, and its a no brainer.
I hate Bonds but he totally deserves to be there, his OBP is ludacris.

[LeftWideOpen]

I hate Bonds but he totally deserves to be there, his OBP is ludacris.

right ..he changes the entire game because people are afraid to pitch to him. as much of a bastard as he is, i wish he had a solid lineup around him ..he'd be an MVP candidate w/ one.

[Broken Parachute]

Even I know Bonds deserves it, and I hate the guy.

Beltran on the other hand...

[Scott Weber]

Beltran doesn't even deserve to sniff the all-star game.

[thejetstolehome]

if ever there was a case for the abolition of fan-voting...

[deadstar]

Bonds deserves the nod based on defense alone....

[CubbyNick42]

if ever there was a case for the abolition of fan-voting...
Beltran notwithstanding, I thought this was one of the better jobs by the fans in recent years. Especially with Polanco and Martin getting voted in.

[thejetstolehome]

Beltran notwithstanding, I thought this was one of the better jobs by the fans in recent years. Especially with Polanco and Martin getting voted in.

yeah Polanco's "victory" made me happy as did Martin's.

[Split2nd]

What time is the Future's game?

[LeftWideOpen]

What time is the Future's game?

4 EST on ESPN2, i believe.

pumped to watch ellsbury and bucholz.