America's worst mother goes after very popular congress woman's seat.

[Justin_stacy]

CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) - Cindy Sheehan, the soldier's mother who galvanized the anti-war movement, said Sunday that she plans to seek House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's congressional seat unless she introduces articles of impeachment against President Bush in the next two weeks.
Sheehan said she will run against the San Francisco Democrat in 2008 as an independent if Pelosi does not seek by July 23 to impeach Bush. That's when Sheehan and her supporters are to arrive in Washington, D.C., after a 13-day caravan and walking tour starting next week from the group's war protest site near Bush's Crawford ranch.

"Democrats and Americans feel betrayed by the Democratic leadership," Sheehan told The Associated Press. "We hired them to bring an end to the war. I'm not too far from San Francisco, so it wouldn't be too big of a move for me. I would give her a run for her money."

Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly said the congresswoman has said repeatedly that her focus is on ending the war in Iraq.

"She believes that the best way to support our troops in Iraq is to bring them home safely and soon," Daly said in an e-mail to the AP. "July will be a month of action in Congress to end the war, including a vote to redeploy our troops by next spring."

The White House declined to comment on Sheehan's plans.

She plans her official candidacy announcement Tuesday. Sunday wrapped up what is expected to be her final weekend at the 5-acre Crawford lot that she sold to California radio talk show host Bree Walker, who plans to keep it open to protesters.

"The land itself has historical value," Walker said. "It is the first people's movement of the 21st century, and it needs to be kept as the hallowed ground that it is."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8Q8OG4O0&show_article=1

Pelosi recieved 80% of the vote in the last election season.

[saysmydoctor]

I hate this woman almost as much as I hate Nancy Pelosi.

[selftitled85]

I hate this woman almost as much as I hate Nancy Pelosi.

what is so bad about nancy pelosi?

[thatwasamoment]

Damn, she's annoying.

[FondestMemory]

how is she america's worst mother?

because she's pissed she lost her son?

you're right. fuck her for believing in something and trying to make a difference. what a bitch.

[Nevuk]

Nancy Pelosi is popular? Since when? Congress' approval rating is lower than Bush's entire psycho administration.

[Smash Adams]

how is she america's worst mother?

because she's pissed she lost her son?

you're right. fuck her for believing in something and trying to make a difference. what a bitch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Smith
definitely, now someone like this would be the worst mother

[Justin_stacy]

Nancy Pelosi is popular? Since when? Congress' approval rating is lower than Bush's entire psycho administration.

related to her voting district, not nationally.....she recieved 80% or better of the vote in all her previous elections. Although given san fran's political nature a nut like cindy could give nancy a minor run for her money.

[Love As Arson]

Justin, the title to the thread is atrocious.

[Justin_stacy]

Justin, the title to the thread is atrocious.

eh'....i found it rather tough to even call her a mother......but to each their own.

[Love As Arson]

I am not even certain how one can make that judgment, as it is obvious her grief pushed her into political action.

[Justin_stacy]

that's if you believe it was actually personal grief that drove her to exploit her son or whether it was a personal want for attention.

*edited the title to something less confrontational.

[captainhampton]

that's if you believe it was actually personal grief that drove her to exploit her son or whether it was a personal want for attention.

didn't after she met with President Bush, she caused all this fuss of how the president wouldn't speak with her?

[Love As Arson]

that's if you believe it was actually personal grief that drove her to exploit her son or whether it was a personal want for attention.

*edited the title to something less confrontational.
She has endured far too much criticism, both from the left and the right to be doing this for attention. Her personal life was laid bare in a book, I believe, which documented how she watched pornography and engaged in phone sex. It simply does not seem worth it.

[Justin_stacy]

She has endured far too much criticism, both from the left and the right to be doing this for attention. .
for you maybe...but if the desperation for attention and media exposure was so great, it could easily off set other things.

[Love As Arson]

for you maybe...but if the desperation for attention and media exposure was so great, it could easily off set other things.
One can assume that, but you've no evidence otherwise. However, she took herself out of the limelight for a period of time, which shows, I would imagine, the hardship that she has endured.

[Lueda Alia]

The title is just unnecessary. I don't know how you or anyone can judge her and say that she is a bad mother. If I had died the same way her son died, I would want my mom to be frustrated and not accept any of the "answers" that the "government" gives about the BS they do. I find it ridiculous that people judge her because of the way she deals with her son's death.

[saysmydoctor]

what is so bad about nancy pelosi?
You are right, her voting inconsistencies are nice.

[Justin_stacy]

One can assume that, but you've no evidence otherwise.

likewise there is no evidence that supports her actions being in anyway geinune either......and i would say her antics and the way she carried herself gives credence to the opposing viewpoint.

but of course everyone is entitled to their own perceptions.

[Love As Arson]

likewise there is no evidence that supports her actions being in anyway geinune either......and i would say her antics and the way she carried herself gives credence to the opposing viewpoint.

but of course everyone is entitled to their own perceptions.
The sacrifices she made, her time away, and the vilification by the media all point to a genuine attitude.

[Justin_stacy]

The fame she's aquired, the attention garnished, the ego that is stimulated by being the physical center of a "movement." You don't think these things off set any scrifices she may, or may not, have encountered?

Nothing about her actions gives the perception of a geniune motivation in anyway.....

[Love As Arson]

The fame she's aquired, the attention garnished, the ego that is stimulated by being the physical center of a "movement." You don't think these things off set any scrifices she may, or may not, have encountered?

Nothing about her actions gives the perception of a geniune motivation in anyway.....
Not particularly. If she truly desired attention, there are more effective ways, with less personal loss, to go about it.

[x togepi x]

that's if you believe it was actually personal grief that drove her to exploit her son or whether it was a personal want for attention.

*edited the title to something less confrontational.

Bush has exploited "the troops" and people who died on 9/11 for political gain. Does that make him America's worst father?

[Justin_stacy]

Not particularly. If she truly desired attention, there are more effective ways, with less personal loss, to go about it.

An opportunist maybe, she saw her moment and jumped on it. If attention and fame truly were her main goals, as many suspect it was, then there really was no easier way for someone of her stature to achieve it.

[open mind]

first off i've gotta say that that's a pretty shitty title for this thread.

pelosi who is supposedly intent on ending the war in iraq buckled and went along with what bush wanted.
i personally would like to see bush and chaney impeached.
i think sheehan genuinely would like to change the course of events and she saw the attention she got from that as something that would help her do so, so she ran with it as far it could take her.

[Love As Arson]

An opportunist maybe, she saw her moment and jumped on it. If attention and fame truly were her main goals, as many suspect it was, then there really was no easier way for someone of her stature to achieve it.
She certainly could have chosen the more moderate route, as many other military families did. The talk about opportunism, it seems to me, is derived from emotional responses, rather than any logical reasoning.

[Justin_stacy]

The talk about opportunism, it seems to me, is derived from emotional responses, rather than any logical reasoning.

because you want to see it that way. i see a woman who took a tragedy and turned into nothing more then a route to personal fame....an opportunist?

[Love As Arson]

because you want to see it that way. i see a woman who took a tragedy and turned into nothing more then a route to personal fame....an opportunist?
She has shown no ulterior motives. And I think Togepi made an excellent point.

[saysmydoctor]

Bush has exploited "the troops" and people who died on 9/11 for political gain. Does that make him America's worst father?
I don't exploitations of the troops. 9/11 yes.

[x togepi x]

I don't exploitations of the troops. 9/11 yes.

please clarify

[saysmydoctor]

please clarify
My dad is the marine and I see very little exploitation. As a matter of fact, we've gone through eight years periodic raise in pay, increased BAH, etc. Sending troops to Iraq is not an exploitation of the troops, it's their job. They are supposed to defend the nation.

But from what in this case? The Iraqis? They did nothing to us--Bush tells us they had plans to attack us, to attack America--thus exploiting our fears of 9/11.

[Nametekken]

likewise there is no evidence that supports her actions being in anyway geinune either......and i would say her antics and the way she carried herself gives credence to the opposing viewpoint.

but of course everyone is entitled to their own perceptions.

There should be no reason to assume otherwise.... Her son died. I think that would be enough. As much as i dislike her she got used by the political powers at be.

The fame she's aquired, the attention garnished, the ego that is stimulated by being the physical center of a "movement." You don't think these things off set any scrifices she may, or may not, have encountered?

Nothing about her actions gives the perception of a geniune motivation in anyway.....

I would understand this if she was living a cozy life.. but she is broke, divorced and pertty much been cast aside by the rest of her family.

because you want to see it that way. i see a woman who took a tragedy and turned into nothing more then a route to personal fame....an opportunist?

i would call the political powers at be the oppertunist. they played on this womans emotions of losing her son and used it for there advantage.



As much as i dont like her i dont see how you can endlessly trash her.

[Justin_stacy]

She has shown no ulterior motives.

her actions have done nothing but justified the perception that her actions were less then genuine.

[Shatter590]

i can think of plenty of other people worthy of the title america's worst mother. Like that Shirley Phelps, or that one from Texas who drowned all 5 of her children, Andrea Yates.

[Love As Arson]

her actions have done nothing but justified the perception that her actions were less then genuine.
I suppose it may seem that way if one has an ideological problem with her actions.

[x togepi x]

My dad is the marine and I see very little exploitation. As a matter of fact, we've gone through eight years periodic raise in pay, increased BAH, etc. Sending troops to Iraq is not an exploitation of the troops, it's their job. They are supposed to defend the nation.

But from what in this case? The Iraqis? They did nothing to us--Bush tells us they had plans to attack us, to attack America--thus exploiting our fears of 9/11.

You don't think Bush's "do what i say or you're not supporting the troops" rhetoric isn't exploiting them? Even Bush's style of speaking in front of a group of soldiers who would be legally bound to applauding anything he says, which implies that they support him, seems to be exploiting them for political gain.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

I just don't like her tactics. I think her cause is a noble one. But acting in a way that is so easily seen as irrational and insane doesn't help. I'm sure the media's portrayal of her has some to do with this but still. Instead of putting forth her hope for peace in a peaceful way, she has come off, to me anyway, as an unstable crazy woman. I understand the cause for her grief. But many mothers have lost their children. She could represent them in a much better way.

[Justin_stacy]

I suppose it may seem that way if one has an ideological problem with her actions.


but that's the point i don't, i just dispise the thought of using the death of a child to gain personal fame. If in anyway she came across genuine and respectful i'd be nothing but supportive of her opinion on the war, but her motives are clearly self serving.

[hailthewarrior]

All other arguments aside, does she really believe she could get the votes to actually do something in Congress, if she even got in? Seriously, talk is good, but if everyone else disagrees with you, you're stuck.

[kevin1945]

how is she america's worst mother?

because she's pissed she lost her son?

you're right. fuck her for believing in something and trying to make a difference. what a bitch.

because shes totally irrational and an attention whore, shes not making a difference, shes making headlines, shes not making any new ground bc most of america doesnt support the war anyway, the war is a lose lose situation, we shouldn't have gone about it the way we did, or gone about it at all perhaps, but they can't end it now it would fuck up that whole region even more then it already is, and if she can't see that shes far too ignorant to be holding a political position, it is a shame that she lost her son, it's terrible, but how is she making anything better by creating all of this attention

[x togepi x]

All other arguments aside, does she really believe she could get the votes to actually do something in Congress, if she even got in? Seriously, talk is good, but if everyone else disagrees with you, you're stuck.

I don't think she thinks she can win. She's doing it to remind the democrats that they don't have a monopoly on the anti-war/anti-bush vote. A lot of people in the party act as if they can essentially do whatever the want, and they'll keep getting elected because they're not republicans. her run makes the statement that people didn't so much choose democrats in '06, as they chose some sort of change of pace. If a change isn't going to occur, then support will shift to a party that does. There's a lot of talks in the peace movements about pressuring the democrats more, which is why there's been more protests of them in recent weeks. My senator, McCaskill has been getting protested by antiwar activists, for example.

[Love As Arson]

but that's the point i don't, i just dispise the thought of using the death of a child to gain personal fame. If in anyway she came across genuine and respectful i'd be nothing but supportive of her opinion on the war, but her motives are clearly self serving.
Obviously, her actions are not clearly exploitative, for the opinion is split regarding her motives. She does not have fame these days, as she has been marginalized by mainstream democrats who have no use for her anymore, yet she persists in her anti-war efforts.

[saysmydoctor]

You don't think Bush's "do what i say or you're not supporting the troops" rhetoric isn't exploiting them? Even Bush's style of speaking in front of a group of soldiers who would be legally bound to applauding anything he says, which implies that they support him, seems to be exploiting them for political gain.
You've never listened to the president speak in front of the troops or their families. I have. And nor do I see a hint of this supposed rhetoric. And they aren't legally bound to applaud at all.Who knew two sentences could be any further from the truth.

[Jason Tate]

Nancy Pelosi is popular? Since when? Congress' approval rating is lower than Bush's entire psycho administration.
Do we all get to make up facts now?

Simply not true (http://www.pollingreport.com/).

[Nevuk]

Do we all get to make up facts now?

Simply not true (http://www.pollingreport.com/).
Hah. His entire administration was an exxagaration (I'm almost sure Cheney and rove are lower) but congress approval rate is hideous.
Here : http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm
Latest approval rating for them is 27%. Which is lower than Bush's.

[Iamhome]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Smith
definitely, now someone like this would be the worst mother

yeah or this one...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates

[Jason Tate]

Hah. His entire administration was an exxagaration (I'm almost sure Cheney and rove are lower) but congress approval rate is hideous.
Here : http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm
Latest approval rating for them is 27%. Which is lower than Bush's.
Using the CBS number they're the exact same (27%) however, the Approval-Disapproval numbers are not:

-38 (Bush)
-33 (Congress)

And I'd argue congress has a low approval rating because they aren't doing anything about Bush ...

[x togepi x]

You've never listened to the president speak in front of the troops or their families. I have. And nor do I see a hint of this supposed rhetoric. And they aren't legally bound to applaud at all.Who knew two sentences could be any further from the truth.

your logic tells me that every soldier in attendance of every speech is applauding because they agree with bush's policies, which i know is not true. much like one is legally bound to salute an officer, they're forced to applaud their commander in chief. the same logic applies.

regardless, your post ignores what i said. Bush uses rhetoric that is essentially support me or you hurt the troops. Whether or not he does this with actual soldiers in the background, which I believe I've seen clips of him doing, is irrelevant. He uses that rhetoric, and then stages photo ops of soldiers behind him. That's inherently exploitive.

It's the same idea. I think that exploitation is going on both sides of war. the troops have been dehumanized into symbols that fit into one's political agenda. maybe you disagree, but I've too often heard "the troops" be thrown around in a way that conveniently fits into a political position to really think you have a good argument. I don't like it, and I'm not claiming I've never done it, but at least I'm trying to stop.

[Nevuk]

Using the CBS number they're the exact same (27%) however, the Approval-Disapproval numbers are not:

-38 (Bush)
-33 (Congress)

And I'd argue congress has a low approval rating because they aren't doing anything about Bush ...
Thats probably why congress' is so low, but I hadn't checked the numbers in a week, and recently they were even lower than bush, which was crazy. And was the only reason I even knew they existed was that the number was so crazy.

[Jason Tate]

Thats probably why congress' is so low, but I hadn't checked the numbers in a week, and recently they were even lower than bush, which was crazy. And was the only reason I even knew they existed was that the number was so crazy.
I'm of the mindset they all suck.

But then, I'm a cynic.

[Smash Adams]

yeah or this one...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates

good one, Andrea Yates was clearly mentally ill though

but I guess Susan was too

[The Revisionist]

She is no Claire Huxtable, that's for sure.

[Nevuk]

I'm of the mindset they all suck.

But then, I'm a cynic.
The problem cynics have is that they are too often right.

[Iamhome]

good one, Andrea Yates was clearly mentally ill though

but I guess Susan was too

Yeah - I just mentioned Andrea Yates because she was from Houston so I knew about her...


The problem cynics have is that they are too often right.

Is there an ass kissing smiley? Or brown noser? J/w...



haha, I say things like that too though, so I guess you could use it on me as well.

[Love As Arson]

It is worth noting, however, that the democrats have a 51 percent approval rating. As such, it would seem they people enjoy the idea of democrats, but, as was said, are angry that they aren't doing anything.

[Jason Tate]

congress' approval rating is currently lower than the bush administration's. this is fairly common knowledge.

We just had this conversation ... you even quoted my post with all the information/data in it.

:hitself:

[Nevuk]

Is there an ass kissing smiley? Or brown noser? J/w...



haha, I say things like that too though, so I guess you could use it on me as well.
Nah, I was only partially being serious. Its a scott adam's paraphrase that says that is why its bad to be a cynic, because sometimes they do get things wrong, and they never think they can be wrong. I could prob find an image for that though.

[Iamhome]

Nah, I was only partially being serious. Its a scott adam's paraphrase that says that is why its bad to be a cynic, because sometimes they do get things wrong, and they never think they can be wrong. I could prob find an image for that though.

No insult intended. I understand what you mean now, though.

[Nowisnotthetime]

eh'....i found it rather tough to even call her a mother......but to each their own.

You are the furthest thing from a "true punk fan" (under your avatar) that there could be. Why would you presume to know her motivations for doing anything? Also, if she really wanted attention, wouldn't she just keep siding with the Democrats? They're the ones that get her TV time. Instead she's risking alienating all of mainstream to do what she thinks is right. You should be ashamed of yourself man.

[Justin_stacy]

You are the furthest thing from a "true punk fan" (under your avatar) that there could be.

if you mean i'm not some mindless trendister....then thank you, although that label is a DEFAULT setting so i can't take total ownership of the compliment.

[TxRepresent]

your logic tells me that every soldier in attendance of every speech is applauding because they agree with bush's policies, which i know is not true. much like one is legally bound to salute an officer, they're forced to applaud their commander in chief. the same logic applies.

regardless, your post ignores what i said. Bush uses rhetoric that is essentially support me or you hurt the troops. Whether or not he does this with actual soldiers in the background, which I believe I've seen clips of him doing, is irrelevant. He uses that rhetoric, and then stages photo ops of soldiers behind him. That's inherently exploitive.

It's the same idea. I think that exploitation is going on both sides of war. the troops have been dehumanized into symbols that fit into one's political agenda. maybe you disagree, but I've too often heard "the troops" be thrown around in a way that conveniently fits into a political position to really think you have a good argument. I don't like it, and I'm not claiming I've never done it, but at least I'm trying to stop.

:appl:


You are the furthest thing from a "true punk fan" (under your avatar) that there could be. Why would you presume to know her motivations for doing anything? Also, if she really wanted attention, wouldn't she just keep siding with the Democrats? They're the ones that get her TV time. Instead she's risking alienating all of mainstream to do what she thinks is right. You should be ashamed of yourself man.

Even if his user title or whatever its called wasn't a DEFAULT one what does being a true punk fan have to do with anything? He has HIS own opinion of what her motives are, whether he is right or anyone else in this thread is right, the only one that can actually know whether her motives are true are not is her.

[Justin_stacy]

Even if his user title or whatever its called wasn't a DEFAULT one what does being a true punk fan have to do with anything? He has HIS own opinion of what her motives are, whether he is right or anyone else in this thread is right, the only one that can actually know whether her motives are true are not is her.

didn't you get the memo(?)....to be a "true punk fan" you must first forfeit your right to free thought.

[TxRepresent]

didn't you get the memo(?)....to be a "true punk fan" you must first forfeit your right to free thought.

Hahaha I guess I missed that one.

[Nowisnotthetime]

if you mean i'm not some mindless trendister....then thank you, although that label is a DEFAULT setting so i can't take total ownership of the compliment.

You didn't even address the points I made after that. I am the furthest thing from a mindless "trendister" (nice spelling by the way). If you weren't so committed to lashing out at liberals in the same way conservatives are committed to lashing out at liberals, then maybe you would think for yourself. As of now, I can tell you don't and just get your kicks by saying asinine things that get a rise out of people.

[thejetstolehome]

You didn't even address the points I made after that. I am the furthest thing from a mindless "trendister" (nice spelling by the way). If you weren't so committed to lashing out at liberals in the same way conservatives are committed to lashing out at liberals, then maybe you would think for yourself. As of now, I can tell you don't and just get your kicks by saying asinine things that get a rise out of people.

maybe you should take your foot out of your mouth now.

[feigningapology]

Nancy Pelosi is popular? Since when? Congress' approval rating is lower than Bush's entire psycho administration.

I don't know if anyone's mentioned it or not, but one of my poli sci professors mentioned that Congress traditionally gets lower approval ratings than the executive.

[Justin_stacy]

You didn't even address the points I made after that. I am the furthest thing from a mindless "trendister" (nice spelling by the way). If you weren't so committed to lashing out at liberals in the same way conservatives are committed to lashing out at liberals, then maybe you would think for yourself. As of now, I can tell you don't and just get your kicks by saying asinine things that get a rise out of people.


I didn't respond to your "points" directly because they were just regurgitations of things that had already been discussed prior. Did you really think I was just going to rehash the same conversation over again?

As for the rest, what can I say? I’m sort of shocked someone would just automatically jump into such a childish rant without being provoked.....

[DeathCabForCoon]

I love how she makes a huge deal about running against her as if she has a chance, or that she's unaware of the fact that just about anyone can run for congress, and its not that newsworthy. I doubt she is the only person running for the seat. Why the hell does she get all the attention?

[DeathCabForCoon]

I don't know if anyone's mentioned it or not, but one of my poli sci professors mentioned that Congress traditionally gets lower approval ratings than the executive.

Which makes sense for this congress considering it is almost split down the middle between liberals and conservatives. No matter what they do at least half the country will disagree.

Voice of the people.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

I love how she makes a huge deal about running against her as if she has a chance, or that she's unaware of the fact that just about anyone can run for congress, and its not that newsworthy. I doubt she is the only person running for the seat. Why the hell does she get all the attention?

Togepi already addressed this
And made a great point in my opinion

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Which makes sense for this congress considering it is almost split down the middle between liberals and conservatives. No matter what they do at least half the country will disagree.

Voice of the people.

And in this case, much more than half

[Syz]

CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) - Cindy Sheehan, the soldier's mother who galvanized the anti-war movement, said Sunday that she plans to seek House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's congressional seat unless she introduces articles of impeachment against President Bush in the next two weeks.
Sheehan said she will run against the San Francisco Democrat in 2008 as an independent if Pelosi does not seek by July 23 to impeach Bush. That's when Sheehan and her supporters are to arrive in Washington, D.C., after a 13-day caravan and walking tour starting next week from the group's war protest site near Bush's Crawford ranch.

"Democrats and Americans feel betrayed by the Democratic leadership," Sheehan told The Associated Press. "We hired them to bring an end to the war. I'm not too far from San Francisco, so it wouldn't be too big of a move for me. I would give her a run for her money."

Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly said the congresswoman has said repeatedly that her focus is on ending the war in Iraq.

"She believes that the best way to support our troops in Iraq is to bring them home safely and soon," Daly said in an e-mail to the AP. "July will be a month of action in Congress to end the war, including a vote to redeploy our troops by next spring."

The White House declined to comment on Sheehan's plans.

She plans her official candidacy announcement Tuesday. Sunday wrapped up what is expected to be her final weekend at the 5-acre Crawford lot that she sold to California radio talk show host Bree Walker, who plans to keep it open to protesters.

"The land itself has historical value," Walker said. "It is the first people's movement of the 21st century, and it needs to be kept as the hallowed ground that it is."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8Q8OG4O0&show_article=1

Pelosi recieved 80% of the vote in the last election season.
I sent Pelosi a burka for her war efforts. Time to send one to Reid and Hillary. AND how bout a foot basin for Lindsey Graham. Maybe pay for this 7th century disease oriented practice with Michigan tax dollars.

[Yes. And?]

Lame thread title.

That is all.

[IceTech]

Worst mother? Wow, the title of this thread is pretty sick and twisted.