Josh Hamilton

[noselove]

I've been a Reds fan my whole life (why? I don't know), and I have to say that this guy is amazing. After hearing his story (with the drug addictions, etc.), well it just makes you WANT him to do good things. But even without the background info., he's unbelievable on the field.

Anyone agree?

[SurfWaxKyle]

He's having a helluva year and what he's been through is pretty insane. I hope he does good, he's got a good shot at ROY but I'm still pulling for my boy Braun who's had a killer first half after being up for only a month or two.

[xbrokendownx]

thats touching and all, but take it to the MLB thread

[noselove]

Just wanted him to have his own thread as a player. Sorry.

[crit]

there's a really good article about/by him in the new espn the mag.

[noselove]

I know! It was incredible. My dad cried after reading it. No lie

[Broken Parachute]

Hunter Pence > Josh Hamilton

[thejetstolehome]

Hunter Pence > Josh Hamilton

qft.

[crit]

Hunter Pence > Josh Hamilton
easily

[shOcktreAtmEnt]

thats touching and all, but take it to the MLB thread
hahaha

[shOcktreAtmEnt]

easily
2nded

[SurfWaxKyle]

Ryan Braun > Hunter Pence.

Braun has played about a month less and is putting up similar numbers.

[thejetstolehome]

Ryan Braun > Hunter Pence.

Braun has played about a month less and is putting up similar numbers.

Pence isn't a power hitter. also, his average is going to be comparable becuase he has about 100 less ABs than Pence. his play in the field has also been pretty bad.

[Broken Parachute]

Ryan Braun > Hunter Pence.

Braun has played about a month less and is putting up similar numbers.He's got like 120 less at bats. I can't agree with that.

[StandMyBrothers]

Elijah Dukes>>>>

[Broken Parachute]

What the fuck is an Elijah Dukes?

[looksthatkillbn]

josh hamilton is definitely the shit. personally, ryan braun >>josh hamilton>>>hunter pence

[Broken Parachute]

josh hamilton is definitely the shit. personally, ryan braun >>josh hamilton>>>hunter pence:shake:

[thejetstolehome]

josh hamilton is definitely the shit. personally, ryan braun >>josh hamilton>>>hunter pence

the Braun/Pence debate has already been done. however, Pence > Hamilton.

Pence: 279 AB, .342/.367/.589, 11 HR, 42 RBI, 59 RC (8.38/27), 50 SO, 10 BB.

Hamilton: 208 AB, .279/.371/.543, 14 HR, 30 RBI, 41 RC (7.05/27), 52 SO, 28 BB

the only thing that Hamilton really beats him in is walk totals but their similar OBPs, and Pence's lower strikeout total, really washes that argument out.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

What the fuck is an Elijah Dukes?
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b51/RedSoxRepeat/jackiewho.png

[crit]

hamilton is a great story but NL ROY will come down to braun and pence.

[CubbyNick42]

I love the guy, and wish him all the best, but I flinch a little when I see him labeled a hero. He's an inspiration. There's a different.

[shOcktreAtmEnt]

Feel good story I guess

[noselove]

Definitely an inspiration

[crit]

nice pink font X-)

[thejetstolehome]

Feel good story I guess

http://www.baseballamerica.com/images/top10/2006/yankees/jchamberlain06108180cw.jpg. that makes me feel good. if you know what i mean. ;-)

[crit]

joba the hut!
i bet no one has ever called him that before!

[thejetstolehome]

joba the hut!
i bet no one has ever called him that before!

hahaha. so original, Crit!

[Broken Parachute]

Ja-ba Med-va-denko!

[Fullcollapse3k]

I've been a Reds fan my whole life (why? I don't know),

Because you live in Hamilton, maybe?

[xbrokendownx]

Ja-ba Med-va-denko!






haha damn you, you stole mine

[noselove]

Because you live in Hamilton, maybe?
just maybe :o) haha

[Broken Parachute]

hahahaha woooooooooooooo

I was just watching the heckle video from this year again, oh man it gets me laughing every time.

SOME PEOPLE SAY YOUR THE BEST FORWARD SINCE SLA-VA MED-VA-DEN-KO! WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY!?.......AL HORFORD! WHAT ARE YOU DOING!? BILLY DONOVAN WOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOU! COME BACK AND TALK TO STEPHEN A!

[noselove]

nice pink font X-)
thanks man ;-)

[crit]

hahaha. so original, Crit!
i write all my own jokes.
(that's why they suck)

Ja-ba Med-va-denko!
haha

[Fullcollapse3k]

just maybe :o) haha

I live in Norwood and grew up a Reds fan. Tough times these days.

[looksthatkillbn]

the Braun/Pence debate has already been done. however, Pence > Hamilton.

Pence: 279 AB, .342/.367/.589, 11 HR, 42 RBI, 59 RC (8.38/27), 50 SO, 10 BB.

Hamilton: 208 AB, .279/.371/.543, 14 HR, 30 RBI, 41 RC (7.05/27), 52 SO, 28 BB

the only thing that Hamilton really beats him in is walk totals but their similar OBPs, and Pence's lower strikeout total, really washes that argument out.

i'm not debating that pence is having a better year this year, not at all. but i think hamilton will be a better professional. there's a lot of things that have messed with him this year (being on the reds will do that). he's had to bat lead off some even, which is clearly not where he would like to hit. i think in the end, hamilton will be better. i've seen kids put him numbers for a while like pence has (chris shelton? clint barmes?) and i don't know that he'll stand up. but i absolutely believe hamilton will.

[SurfWaxKyle]

Pence isn't a power hitter. also, his average is going to be comparable becuase he has about 100 less ABs than Pence. his play in the field has also been pretty bad.

His defense hasn't really been that bad, he's had 8 errors... and comparing defense of an infielder to an outfielder is ridiculous (Pence has 2). As in infielder you have alot more chance to make an error than an outfielder... playing the outfield is rather easy. Also talking ROY, Braun has put up similar RBI numbers and the same number of HR's in a month less... I'm not really sure how you talk about Pence being better than Braun at this point with Braun almost mimicking his numbers in 100+ less AB's. Let's also not forget that Braun has come up on a team that is in first place and was stuck in the 3 hole right away, where as Pence came up a month into the season after the Astros have already lost plenty of games and were far behind in the division and wasn't expected to contribute right away. It could really go either way, but Braun has done better than Pence in my opinion.

[Broken Parachute]

His defense hasn't really been that bad, he's had 8 errors... and comparing defense of an infielder to an outfielder is ridiculous (Pence has 2). As in infielder you have alot more chance to make an error than an outfielder... playing the outfield is rather easy. Also talking ROY, Braun has put up similar RBI numbers and the same number of HR's in a month less... I'm not really sure how you talk about Pence being better than Braun at this point with Braun almost mimicking his numbers in 100+ less AB's. Let's also not forget that Braun has come up on a team that is in first place and was stuck in the 3 hole right away, where as Pence came up a month into the season after the Astros have already lost plenty of games and were far behind in the division and wasn't expected to contribute right away. It could really go either way, but Braun has done better than Pence in my opinion.hahahahahaha honestly, do you realize how tough it is in a major league ball park to adjust your game with the weather and perfectly place yourself in the right position to make a catch, and to cover your entire field. I mean I'm not saying it's ridiculously hard, but saying that it's "rather easy" is stupid. It's just as tough as the infield.

[Broken Parachute]

Oh, and don't blame it on the Reds...the Astros suck just as bad.

[thejetstolehome]

i'm not debating that pence is having a better year this year, not at all. but i think hamilton will be a better professional. there's a lot of things that have messed with him this year (being on the reds will do that). he's had to bat lead off some even, which is clearly not where he would like to hit. i think in the end, hamilton will be better. i've seen kids put him numbers for a while like pence has (chris shelton? clint barmes?) and i don't know that he'll stand up. but i absolutely believe hamilton will.

Pence will, too. he may not look too pretty doing what he does but i really do think this kid's gonna be a star. Barmes is a weird case since he got hurt. also, Shelton was a flash in the pan and didn't do what Pence has done for as long as Pence has so far. Pence is also hitting in one of the worst lineups in the league so he's not exactly in an ideal spot for production.

also, the argument could be made that, despite very similar defensive numbers (using only CF--Hamilton: 5 A, 2 E (49 games) Pence: 5 A, 2 E) the argument could be made that Pence is the better fielder since he's playing in a much bigger CF than Hamilton.

[Broken Parachute]

He's dealing with Tal's Hill every home game, where as Hamilton is playing in slightly easier outfield. Center field is about 40 feet smaller in the Great American Ballpark and he doesn't have the hill to compete with every game.

[Flags of Dawn]

god that hill is stupid at Minute Maid...i dont know how they got away with that.

[Broken Parachute]

It makes for some good web gems every now and then. It seriously is a pain in the ass, though.

[Flags of Dawn]

im surprised more guys don't get hurt on it...its like something out of an arcade style baseball game.

[crit]

His defense hasn't really been that bad, he's had 8 errors... and comparing defense of an infielder to an outfielder is ridiculous (Pence has 2). As in infielder you have alot more chance to make an error than an outfielder... playing the outfield is rather easy. Also talking ROY, Braun has put up similar RBI numbers and the same number of HR's in a month less... I'm not really sure how you talk about Pence being better than Braun at this point with Braun almost mimicking his numbers in 100+ less AB's. Let's also not forget that Braun has come up on a team that is in first place and was stuck in the 3 hole right away, where as Pence came up a month into the season after the Astros have already lost plenty of games and were far behind in the division and wasn't expected to contribute right away. It could really go either way, but Braun has done better than Pence in my opinion.
they don't hand out the award for how they performed compared to what they were expected to do...they hand it out for how they performed, period.

[SurfWaxKyle]

hahahahahaha honestly, do you realize how tough it is in a major league ball park to adjust your game with the weather and perfectly place yourself in the right position to make a catch, and to cover your entire field. I mean I'm not saying it's ridiculously hard, but saying that it's "rather easy" is stupid. It's just as tough as the infield.
Ok, I guess saying it's easy is not the right thing... it's just that playing infield in the majors is harder than playing the outfield, you have to be a way better athlete to be a corner infielder in the majors.

they don't hand out the award for how they performed compared to what they were expected to do...they hand it out for how they performed, period.
I still think Braun has played better than Pence. I guess the rest of you don't, but that's nothing new since the Brewers never get any respect. Braun is a better pure hitter than Pence, and he can hit for power to all fields... and he's 23.

[shOcktreAtmEnt]

http://www.baseballamerica.com/images/top10/2006/yankees/jchamberlain06108180cw.jpg. that makes me feel good. if you know what i mean. ;-)
Joba Joba Joba!

[crit]

I still think Braun has played better than Pence. I guess the rest of you don't, but that's nothing new since the Brewers never get any respect. Braun is a better pure hitter than Pence, and he can hit for power to all fields... and he's 23.
no, i think braun has a slight edge right now and if the season ended now and it was up to me, i'd give him the award with pence a very close second...but we're only halfway through the season, so anything can happen.

[Broken Parachute]

You want some cheese with that whine? The Brewers get plenty of respect and Pence is the same age so I can't see why Braun being a few months younger would make a difference.

[noselove]

I live in Norwood and grew up a Reds fan. Tough times these days.
Ugh, I know! Breaks my heart, really.

[looksthatkillbn]

Pence will, too. he may not look too pretty doing what he does but i really do think this kid's gonna be a star. Barmes is a weird case since he got hurt. also, Shelton was a flash in the pan and didn't do what Pence has done for as long as Pence has so far. Pence is also hitting in one of the worst lineups in the league so he's not exactly in an ideal spot for production.

also, the argument could be made that, despite very similar defensive numbers (using only CF--Hamilton: 5 A, 2 E (49 games) Pence: 5 A, 2 E) the argument could be made that Pence is the better fielder since he's playing in a much bigger CF than Hamilton.

i don't honestly know about pence, but i know that hamilton has one of the best guns in the game. he has a ridiculous, ridiculous arm. and barmes and shelton were just two guys that came into my mind from last year. this is really just a matter of opinion, and i don't know that pence will be consistently great.

He's dealing with Tal's Hill every home game, where as Hamilton is playing in slightly easier outfield. Center field is about 40 feet smaller in the Great American Ballpark and he doesn't have the hill to compete with every game.

being ignorant of this also, how often does he really have to make a play on tal's hill? i can't imagine it being a whole lot.

[Broken Parachute]

being ignorant of this also, how often does he really have to make a play on tal's hill? i can't imagine it being a whole lot.The fact that it's there poses a problem. He's made several plays this year on it, including a #1 web gem where he climbed up to the very top and made it standing up next to the pole.

It's pretty much not important, but it still poses a threat and it's a much bigger outfield than Cincinnati's.

[looksthatkillbn]

The fact that it's there poses a problem. He's made several plays this year on it, including a #1 web gem where he climbed up to the very top and made it standing up next to the pole.

It's pretty much not important, but it still poses a threat and it's a much bigger outfield than Cincinnati's.

that was a fantastic catch and i'm really disappointed that it's gonna get overshadowed by beltran's catch out there.

and it is a bigger outfield, but i don't know that that would make him a better fielder than hamilton.

[Broken Parachute]

that was a fantastic catch and i'm really disappointed that it's gonna get overshadowed by beltran's catch out there.

and it is a bigger outfield, but i don't know that that would make him a better fielder than hamilton.Beltran's was just as good.

[looksthatkillbn]

Beltran's was just as good.

no no no, not saying that, beltran's catch was better, much, but pence's was still fantastic and is gonna get overshadowed because beltran's was on the hill also.

i really don't know why i started to argue with anyone about this it's a complete opinion thing. though i am kinda surprised ryan braun is considered pretty unanimously to be better.

[SurfWaxKyle]

You want some cheese with that whine? The Brewers get plenty of respect and Pence is the same age so I can't see why Braun being a few months younger would make a difference.
I'm not whining. I'm telling the truth. About 1 in 10 people give the Crew respect. Last time I checked we were in first place pretty much all year.

[Broken Parachute]

no no no, not saying that, beltran's catch was better, much, but pence's was still fantastic and is gonna get overshadowed because beltran's was on the hill also.

i really don't know why i started to argue with anyone about this it's a complete opinion thing. though i am kinda surprised ryan braun is considered pretty unanimously to be better.Oh, ok I get what you're saying.

I'm not whining. I'm telling the truth. About 1 in 10 people give the Crew respect. Last time I checked we were in first place pretty much all year.I just really wanted to use that cheese and whine statement. I really don't even care hahaha

[noselove]

bumping this...cuz I'd still tap that.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/tom_verducci/04/25/baseball.mailbag/t1_josh_hamilton.jpg