MLB Awards - Second Trimester

[LeftWideOpen]

Alright so I did this after 1/3 of the season was over (http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=241075) , so now that we are just about done with 4 months, its time to see where everyone stands now.

AL MVP:
NL MVP:

AL Cy Young:
NL Cy Young:

AL Manager of the Year:
NL Manager of the Year:

AL Rookie of the Year:
NL Rookie of the Year:

[LeftWideOpen]

AL MVP: Alex Rodriguez, New York
NL MVP: Ryan Howard, Philadelphia

AL Cy Young: Dan Haren, Oakland
NL Cy Young: Jake Peavy, San Diego

AL Manager of the Year: Mike Scioscia, LA Angels
NL Manager of the Year: Lou Piniella, Chicago

AL Rookie of the Year: Jeremy Guthrie, Baltimore
NL Rookie of the Year: Ryan Braun, Milwaukee

the only one ive got the same as before is Peavy.

[Dirty Ernie]

I agree with all of that.

[bduke13]

I agree with everything except NL MVP. Id go with Matt Holliday

[xbrokendownx]

AL MVP- Alex Rodriguez, NY Yankees
NL MVP- Matt Holliday, Colorado

AL Cy Young- Johan Santana, Minnesota
NL Cy Young- Chris Young, San Diego

AL Manager of the year: Mike Scioscia, LA Angels
NL Manager of the year: Bud Black, San Diego

AL Rookie of the year: Jeremy Guthrie, Baltimore
NL Rookie of the year: Ryan Braun, Milwaukee

[shOcktreAtmEnt]

AL MVP- Alex Rodriguez, NY Yankees
NL MVP- Matt Holliday, Colorado

AL Cy Young- Johan Santana, Minnesota
NL Cy Young- Chris Young, San Diego

AL Manager of the year: Mike Scioscia, LA Angels
NL Manager of the year: Bud Black, San Diego

AL Rookie of the year: Jeremy Guthrie, Baltimore
NL Rookie of the year: Ryan Braun, Milwaukee
agreed

[rcrook]

Brad Penny for NL Cy Young. Peavy has been shit lately.

[TakingBackDowd]

i wouldnt go with santana for cy young.

imo, haren deserves it.

[bigmike]

AL MVP: Alex Rodriguez.
NL MVP: Miguel Cabrera. Just to put a new name in there. Better average, better obp, better slugging then Holliday and more power numbers numbers while playing in a pitchers park half of the time.

AL Cy Young: Dan Haren.
NL Cy Young: Cole Hamels. Just throwing a diff. name out there then Peavy/Young.

AL Manager of the Year: Mike Hargrove/John McLaren. Who had them this entrenched in the race at the start of the year?
NL Manager of the Year: Lou Piniella

AL Rookie of the Year: Jeremy Guthrie
NL Rookie of the Year: Ryan Braun

[LeftWideOpen]

oh and to throw out playoff predictions, this is how i see things right now:

ALDS: Boston over Detroit in 5, LA Angels over New York (WC) in 4
NLDS: New York over San Diego (WC) in 5, LA Dodgers over Chicago in 4

ALCS: Boston over LA Angels in 6
NLCS: LA Dodgers over New York in 7

World Series: Boston over LA Dodgers in 5 (same as preseason pick)

[Scott Weber]

AL MVP: A-Rod
NL MVP: Ryan Howard

AL Cy Young: Erik Bedard
NL Cy Young: Brad Penny

AL Manager of the Year: Mike Hargrove/John McLaren
NL Manager of the Year: Lou Piniella

AL Rookie of the Year: Dice-K
NL Rookie of the Year: Ryan Braun

[leftstranded]

oh and to throw out playoff predictions, this is how i see things right now:

ALDS: Boston over Detroit in 5, LA Angels over New York (WC) in 4
NLDS: New York over San Diego (WC) in 5, LA Dodgers over Chicago in 4

ALCS: Boston over LA Angels in 6
NLCS: LA Dodgers over New York in 7

World Series: Boston over LA Dodgers in 5 (same as preseason pick)
you have new york taking the wild card over the indians. interesting

[LeftWideOpen]

you have new york taking the wild card over the indians. interesting

i know ..it breaks my heart. but I think the Yankees are going to slug there way into the WC. They've already made up so much ground.

i'll sure as hell be rooting for the indians, though. they still have a great shot at the division, too.

[CubbyNick42]

AL MVP: Alex Rodriguez, New York
NL MVP: Hanley Ramirez, Florida

AL Cy Young: Erik Bedard, Baltimore
NL Cy Young: Carlos Zambrano, Chicago (homer!)

AL Manager of the Year: Eric Wedge, Cleveland
NL Manager of the Year: Bud Black, San Diego

AL Rookie of the Year: Jeremy Guthrie, Baltimore
NL Rookie of the Year: Ryan Braun, Milwaukee

AL Manager of the Year: Mike Hargrove/John McLaren
haha. not sure it works like that.

[Scott Weber]

As much as I hated Hargrove and now question McLaren's decision making, I can't argue about the performance they've gotten out the Mariners, who were a near consensus pick for last in the AL West.

[WFUJerseyJon]

AL MVP: Magglio
NL MVP: Ryan Howard

AL Cy Young: CC
NL Cy Young: Zambrano

AL Manager of the Year: Mike Scioscia
NL Manager of the Year: Lou Piniella

AL Rookie of the Year: Delmon Young
NL Rookie of the Year: Ryan Braun

I'd love A-Rod to get it but the Yankees are floundering, and with their roster they shouldn't be, and I always believed you had to give the MVP to a player on a team contending for the playoffs. Granted, if the Yankees gain a few more games in the wild card race, it's his.

[CubbyNick42]

AL Rookie of the Year: Delmon Young
You quit that.

[WFUJerseyJon]

You quit that.

stud. and i'll do anything to keep dice-douche from getting it.

[CubbyNick42]

Do you hate Chinamen?

[WFUJerseyJon]

No, just Red Sux.

[CubbyNick42]

What about Jeremy Guthrie?

[Scott Weber]

gah, biased posters suck.

[xbrokendownx]

how can you not pick ARod for AL Mvp?

[LeftWideOpen]

yeah the only argument before was the "non-contending team", but thats not so much the case anymore.

[WFUJerseyJon]

i know i'm a n00b to this forum, but i've been playing ball my whole life, and for a big yankees fan i feel i'm quite unbiased, because i try to look at most things from a baseball perspective first. the one thing i will hold a bias against is the sox, i can't help it, it's in my blood.

[xbrokendownx]

did we have a preseason predicions thread for awards? im interested to see who everyone had

[LeftWideOpen]

did we have a preseason predicions thread for awards? im interested to see who everyone had

not sure. if we did, i didnt make it.

[CubbyNick42]

i know i'm a n00b to this forum, but i've been playing ball my whole life, and for a big yankees fan i feel i'm quite unbiased, because i try to look at most things from a baseball perspective first. the one thing i will hold a bias against is the sox, i can't help it, it's in my blood.
Then don't tell us you're "quite unbiased." I hate the Cardinals as much as anyone, but I'll be the first to admit Pujols is the best first baseman in baseball, light years ahead of D-Lee.

[xbrokendownx]

lol if youre a yankees fan, how can you possibly pick Maggs ahead of ARod in MVP voting? that makes no sense

[WFUJerseyJon]

Then don't tell us you're "quite unbiased." I hate the Cardinals as much as anyone, but I'll be the first to admit Pujols is the best first baseman in baseball, light years ahead of D-Lee.

easy, man calm down. fine, i hold an anti-red sox bias. there you go, you win.

[Scott Weber]

i know i'm a n00b to this forum, but i've been playing ball my whole life, and for a big yankees fan i feel i'm quite unbiased, because i try to look at most things from a baseball perspective first. the one thing i will hold a bias against is the sox, i can't help it, it's in my blood.
There is a difference between hating a team, and posting irrational and baseless things about a team you hate...you'll get called out and ripped apart if you say stuff like that.

[shOcktreAtmEnt]

i know i'm a n00b to this forum, but i've been playing ball my whole life, and for a big yankees fan i feel i'm quite unbiased, because i try to look at most things from a baseball perspective first. the one thing i will hold a bias against is the sox, i can't help it, it's in my blood.
I'm a Yankee fan too, but I have the intelligence to pick Dice-K or Guthrie over Delmon, and A-Rod over Magglio.

[WFUJerseyJon]

There is a difference between hating a team, and posting irrational and baseless things about a team you hate...you'll get called out and ripped apart if you say stuff like that.

how is delmon an irrational pick though? he leads or is near the top of most AL rookies offensive ranks. he might not play for a winner, but unlike the mvp, that shouldn't come into play for this award.

[CubbyNick42]

how is delmon an irrational pick though? he leads or is near the top of most AL rookies offensive ranks. he might not play for a winner, but unlike the mvp, that shouldn't come into play for this award.
Why so much Delmon love? Guthrie's 2nd in the AL in ERA (2.89), 2nd in WHIP (1.03), and 5th in BAA (.218).

[WFUJerseyJon]

I never said anything against Guthrie, he's a great pitcher. I just personally think Delmon's also having a great year and I, personally, give him the nod.

[Scott Weber]

how is delmon an irrational pick though? he leads or is near the top of most AL rookies offensive ranks. he might not play for a winner, but unlike the mvp, that shouldn't come into play for this award.
Projected stats: 14 HR, 87 RBI, 11 SB, .287 BA, .319 OBP (ouch)

Dice-K projected stats: 18-12, 3.75 ERA (in the AL), 1.27 WHIP, 211 Ks


It's not even close. This has been a very weak offensive year for rookies in the AL - so the award will without question go to a pitcher. Guthrie, Dice-K, or Okajima will win this award.

[WFUJerseyJon]

Projected stats: 14 HR, 87 RBI, 11 SB, .287 BA, .319 OBP (ouch)

Dice-K projected stats: 18-12, 3.75 ERA (in the AL), 1.27 WHIP, 211 Ks


It's not even close. This has been a very weak offensive year for rookies in the AL - so the award will without question go to a pitcher. Guthrie, Dice-K, or Okajima will win this award.

okay i agree with this argument, though delmon has been coming on strong lately, he had a rough may/june but has really picked it up. i still don't think my argument was "irrational and baseless" though.

[LeftWideOpen]

Projected stats: 14 HR, 87 RBI, 11 SB, .287 BA, .319 OBP (ouch)

Dice-K projected stats: 18-12, 3.75 ERA (in the AL), 1.27 WHIP, 211 Ks


It's not even close. This has been a very weak offensive year for rookies in the AL - so the award will without question go to a pitcher. Guthrie, Dice-K, or Okajima will win this award.

you are coming around!

[Scott Weber]

okay i agree with this argument, though delmon has been coming on strong lately, he had a rough may/june but has really picked it up. i still don't think my argument was "irrational and baseless" though.
Delmon is 4th the the voting at best.

[Scott Weber]

you are coming around!
I never said he doesn't deserve consideration - I just don't think he has a legitimate shot at actually winning the thing (partially because I think he'll get tagged eventually and that ERA is going to get back over that sub-1 area.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

AL MVP: Magglio Ordonez, Detroit (same)
NL MVP: up for grabs. (I had JJ Hardy before)

AL Cy Young: Dan Haren, Oakland (last time was Beckett, Haren, Lackey)
NL Cy Young: Brad Penny, LA Dodgers (last time was Peavy, Penny, Smoltz)

AL Manager of the Year: Mike Scioscia, LA Angels
NL Manager of the Year: Lou Piniella, Chicago

AL Rookie of the Year: Jeremy Guthrie, Baltimore or Reggie Willits, LA Angels
NL Rookie of the Year: Ryan Braun, Milwaukee or Hunter Pence, Houston

[Scott Weber]

AL MVP: Magglio Ordonez, Detroit (same)
NL MVP: up for grabs. (I had JJ Hardy before)

AL Cy Young: Dan Haren, Oakland (last time was Beckett, Haren, Lackey)
NL Cy Young: Brad Penny, LA Dodgers (last time was Peavy, Penny, Smoltz)

AL Manager of the Year: Mike Scioscia, LA Angels
NL Manager of the Year: Lou Piniella, Chicago

AL Rookie of the Year: Jeremy Guthrie, Baltimore or Reggie Willits, LA Angels
NL Rookie of the Year: Ryan Braun, Milwaukee or Hunter Pence, Houston
I don't see how anybody can say Magglio over A-Rod anymore, so I'd like to hear an argument for it.

Reggie Willits for ROY? Huh? .302 avg, no power, .758 OPS, with decreasing numbers every week...he's #4 at best IMO.

And Pence is out 4-6 weeks so his shot of winning ROY is gone. It's going to be Braun or Lincecum.

[LeftWideOpen]

dont rule out Chris B. Young either, guys. The BA leaves something to be desired, but anytime a rookie has a chance to hit 30 HR's and steal 30 bases, you gotta include him. His average and OBP are on the way up since the All-Star break, too.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I don't see how anybody can say Magglio over A-Rod anymore, so I'd like to hear an argument for it.

Reggie Willits for ROY? Huh? .302 avg, no power, .758 OPS, with decreasing numbers every week...he's #4 at best IMO.

And Pence is out 4-6 weeks so his shot of winning ROY is gone. It's going to be Braun or Lincecum.
there's a reason Willits and Pence aren't listed first.

I think Braun is far and away the NL ROTY at this point, and a pitcher, whether it's Guthrie or Matsuzaka, would be the best candidate in the AL

[Scott Weber]

dont rule out Chris B. Young either, guys. The BA leaves something to be desired, but anytime a rookie has a chance to hit 30 HR's and steal 30 bases, you gotta include him. His average and OBP are on the way up since the All-Star break, too.
His OBP is still under .300 though.

[Scott Weber]

there's a reason Willits and Pence aren't listed first.

I think Braun is far and away the NL ROTY at this point, and a pitcher, whether it's Guthrie or Matsuzaka, would be the best candidate in the AL
I just wanted to know why you'd even list them when I consider them no shot candidates. Anyways, why Magglio?

[LeftWideOpen]

His OBP is still under .300 though.

yeah i know, he needs a very good 2nd half. He's just someone who is kind of overlooked. He's going to wind up being a star once he refines his game. Right now hes just going off raw talent.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I just wanted to know why you'd even list them when I consider them no shot candidates. Anyways, why Magglio?
honestly because I'm a hardcore Yankee hater and I just don't care about the AL as much as the NL.

[Scott Weber]

honestly because I'm a hardcore Yankee hater and I just don't care about the AL as much as the NL.
Well that's no good. I can't stand the Yankees either, but you can't ignore that A-Rod is having a season for the ages.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Well that's no good. I can't stand the Yankees either, but you can't ignore that A-Rod is having a season for the ages.
alright, alright i'll give him that. he's playing out of his mind this year.

[WFUJerseyJon]

I just wanted to know why you'd even list them when I consider them no shot candidates. Anyways, why Magglio?

I definitely think A-Rod will get it, I just said Magglio as an alternative. And while I'm pretty sure of that, I don't think Magglio is a brush off candidate. He has a higher BA and OBP than A-Rod, almost half as many Strike Outs in practically the same number of at bats, is 3rd in RBI, and is doing all of this for a first place team. While he only has 16 HR, he leads the AL with 38 doubles. I see that as a pretty damn good MVP campaign, and he would probably be a shoe in if A-Rod wasn't channeling his inner Zeus this year.

[Scott Weber]

I definitely think A-Rod will get it, I just said Magglio as an alternative. And while I'm pretty sure of that, I don't think Magglio is a brush off candidate. He has a higher BA and OBP than A-Rod, almost half as many Strike Outs in practically the same number of at bats, is 3rd in RBI, and is doing all of this for a first place team. While he only has 16 HR, he leads the AL with 38 doubles. I see that as a pretty damn good MVP campaign, and he would probably be a shoe in if A-Rod wasn't channeling his inner Zeus this year.
Right, I wasn't saying that Magglio wasn't worthy, I just don't see how you can choose him over A-Rod.

[WFUJerseyJon]

Right, I wasn't saying that Magglio wasn't worthy, I just don't see how you can choose him over A-Rod.

Fair, I think the Magglio position serves as more of a Devil's Advocate.

[bigmike]

I definitely think A-Rod will get it, I just said Magglio as an alternative. And while I'm pretty sure of that, I don't think Magglio is a brush off candidate. He has a higher BA and OBP than A-Rod, almost half as many Strike Outs in practically the same number of at bats, is 3rd in RBI, and is doing all of this for a first place team. While he only has 16 HR, he leads the AL with 38 doubles. I see that as a pretty damn good MVP campaign, and he would probably be a shoe in if A-Rod wasn't channeling his inner Zeus this year.
Magglio isn't the MVP of his own team.

See: Curtis Granderson.
See: Gary Sheffield.

Next.

[kbauer]

AL MVP: homosexual rod
NL MVP: The Prince

AL Cy Young: Beckett
NL Cy Young: Hamels

AL Manager of the Year: Eric Wedge
NL Manager of the Year: Ned Yost

AL Rookie of the Year: Dice k
NL Rookie of the Year: Pence

[kbauer]

Magglio isn't the MVP of his own team.

See: Curtis Granderson.
See: Gary Sheffield.

Next.

Seems like they both make bigger impacts but still magglio is hitting them in.

[xbrokendownx]

granderson has 1 less triple than the ENTIRE YANKEES TEAM

that amazes me

[rcrook]

Some of these homer picks are hilarious. When choosing your player over a rational pick is fucking retarded. In that case Vlad for MVP, Lackey for Cy Young, Scoscia for Manager of the Year and Willits for ROY.


AL MVP-A-Rod
NL MVP-Miguel Cabrera

AL Cy Young-Dan Haren
NL Cy Young-Brad Penny

AL Manager of the Year-Mike Scoscia
NL Manager of the Yearl-Lou Pinella

AL ROY-Jeremy Guthrie
NL ROY-Ryan Braun

[bigmike]

Seems like they both make bigger impacts but still magglio is hitting them in.
Who's there for him to drive in? Granderson leads the AL in extra base hits. Sheffield's impact on this team with his eye at the plate isn't measurable. He's had a fine season, but his numbers are a product specifically of Sheffield's protection in front on him and Curtis Granderson.

Not to mention Magglio's killing the offense right now by not driving the baseball. 7 extra base hits in July and 9 in June. In May and April he had 21 and 17. He's going to RF way too much trying to shoot the gap instead of driving the inside pitch which is why his slugging has dropped every month since May and is down to just .448 this month.

Meanwhile, Granderson's numbers have been consistent every month from May on. 17 xbh's in May, 14 in June, 13 in July. Oh, and he's playing unreal CF. He's got the best Revised Zone Rating among AL Centerfielders at .935 and has made the second most plays out of his defensive zone at 57, only behind Ichiro in the AL.

[rcrook]

The only problem with Granderson is his strikeout ratio. He strikes out about 1/4.1 at bats which is wayyy to much for a lead off hitter.

[PunkENG]

AL MVP- A-Rod
NL MVP- Matt Holiday

AL Cy Young-C.C. Sabathia
NL Cy Young-Brad Penny

AL Manager of the Year-Jim Leyland
NL Manager of the Yearl-Lou Pinella

AL ROY-Dice K
NL ROY-Ryan Braun

[bigmike]

The only problem with Granderson is his strikeout ratio. He strikes out about 1/4.1 at bats which is wayyy to much for a lead off hitter.
And he makes up for that by slugging .575 out of the leadoff spot and having the league lead in extra base hits. Also, he has yet to ground into a double play, so he hasn't killed any rallies at all by doing so, which is great for a leadoff hitter.

And, to be perfectly honest, I don't want him leading off, but we really don't have many other choices as Polanco's so good in the 2 spot.

Edit: and he's only struck out 9 more times then your NL MVP, Miguel Cabrera and 13 more times then A-Rod.

[rcrook]

I never said Granderson wasn't a candidate I was just saying that his biggest flaw was striking out. You'd expect Migs and A-Rod to have more K's than him because they're more power hitters. Granderson is a great hitter but if he can limit the K's he can be that much better.

[CubbyNick42]

NL Rookie of the Year: Pence
That ship has sailed friend.

[Split2nd]

Granderson is such a waste in the leadoff spot IMO.

[bigmike]

I never said Granderson wasn't a candidate I was just saying that his biggest flaw was striking out. You'd expect Migs and A-Rod to have more K's than him because they're more power hitters. Granderson is a great hitter but if he can limit the K's he can be that much better.
I have no idea what you're trying to get at here, I've already said he's not a leadoff hitter so you're trying to prove something I've already acknowledged.
Granderson is such a waste in the leadoff spot IMO.
He really is. Then again, we continue to play Craig Monroe so we really don't care about proper lineups. I feel the same about Grady Sizemore, as well.

[kbauer]

Who's there for him to drive in? Granderson leads the AL in extra base hits. Sheffield's impact on this team with his eye at the plate isn't measurable. He's had a fine season, but his numbers are a product specifically of Sheffield's protection in front on him and Curtis Granderson.

Not to mention Magglio's killing the offense right now by not driving the baseball. 7 extra base hits in July and 9 in June. In May and April he had 21 and 17. He's going to RF way too much trying to shoot the gap instead of driving the inside pitch which is why his slugging has dropped every month since May and is down to just .448 this month.

Meanwhile, Granderson's numbers have been consistent every month from May on. 17 xbh's in May, 14 in June, 13 in July. Oh, and he's playing unreal CF. He's got the best Revised Zone Rating among AL Centerfielders at .935 and has made the second most plays out of his defensive zone at 57, only behind Ichiro in the AL.


Owned.

The only problem with Granderson is his strikeout ratio. He strikes out about 1/4.1 at bats which is wayyy to much for a lead off hitter.

This is weird to say but his strikeout ratio is an overrated stat. His near .300 average, extra base hits, potential power, flawless centerfield and underrated speed makes up for his strikeouts. I will say if he pulls those damn hands in, he wont strikeout nearly as much.


That ship has sailed friend.

Injured or not, he was impressive enough to where I think its fair to mention him. How about Saltalamacchia as AL rookie of the year now lol.

[Broken Parachute]

AL MVP: Alex Rodriguez, New York
NL MVP: Matt Holliday, Colorado

AL Cy Young: Dan Haren, Oakland
NL Cy Young: Jake Peavy, San Diego

AL Manager of the Year: Eric Wedge, Cleveland
NL Manager of the Year: Lou Piniella, Chicago (Bob Melvin is doing a hell of a job though)

AL Rookie of the Year: Hideki Okajima, Boston
NL Rookie of the Year: Ryan Braun, Milwaukee

[xbrokendownx]

i dont think neshek is a rookie?

[Broken Parachute]

i dont think neshek is a rookie?What is the max games you can play to be considered a rookie in your next year? I think he pitched 32 games last year sporadically throughout the year.

[Scott Weber]

What is the max games you can play to be considered a rookie in your next year? I think he pitched 32 games last year sporadically throughout the year.
He's not a rookie.

[Broken Parachute]

He's not a rookie.What's the max?

[Flags of Dawn]

i think whoever wins the NL central has the best shot at manager of the year, whether that be Piniella or Yost. So probably Piniella.

[Scott Weber]

I think the thing that pisses me off most about Gagne to the Yankees is that he'll have to shave his sweet goat beard. Fucking Yankee organization.

[xbrokendownx]

wrong thread scott


duh

[Scott Weber]

ah shit.

[WFUJerseyJon]

What's the max?

i don't think it's games, i think it's AB's, and i think it's 100 or 150. i'm fairly sure it's 100 tho.

[bigmike]

130 AB's and 50 innings pitched. Or, 45 days or less spent on the active MLB roster consecutively I believe.

[Broken Parachute]

Then Pat Neshek is a rookie, he only had 37IP last year in 32 games.

[xbrokendownx]

yea but he spent more than 45 days on the roster

[WFUJerseyJon]

Then Pat Neshek is a rookie, he only had 37IP last year in 32 games.

yea, but it's games on the roster consecutively, not games played.

[Broken Parachute]

yea, but it's games on the roster consecutively, not games played.He said 50 IP though. Unless Neshek was on the team for more than 45 days, which is possible. It doesn't matter to me..I just love Neshek because of his insane stats for a setup man that will go otherwise unnoticed. Okajima or Guthrie deserve it at this point, if Neshek can't qualify.

[Broken Parachute]

yea but he spent more than 45 days on the rosterYeah, I forgot that part all together. His stats are just flat out ridiculous and I'd like to see him get some credit from the baseball world, not just AP, ya know?

[Scott Weber]

It would be ridiculous if you could still qualify for a rookie while pitching in 34 games last year.