Barry Bonds Home Run Ball - If You Caught It

[paulstew4]

I was just wondering what everyone would do with the ball if they caught the tying or record breaking home run. I'm sure most people, including myself, would sell it. This would not only keep it out of Barry's hands for awhile but make me good money. But does anyone have enough hate for Bonds that they would destroy the ball along the lines of the Steve Bartman ball? Also leave some comments on what you think about Barry, the chase, etc.

[fire on my lips]

I would throw it back. I wouldn't want to have it or make profit off of something that tainted the game.

Despite me just saying that, if I really caught it, I don't know if I'd pass up making a nice chunk of money.

[1moreandimfree]

Yeah, I'd definitely sell it.

[CubbyNick42]

I'd give it to the HOF. I've always wanted to go, and I could probably get a super ultra deluxe backstage guided tour if I donated it.

[shOcktreAtmEnt]

I would sell it to someone who would know what to do with it.

[startBBtoday]

sell it in a fuckin heartbeat

[brash25999]

I would sell it for no less than $1 million dollars.

[Fullcollapse3k]

The only way I wouldn't sell it is if it were Griffey instead of Bonds.

Given that it's Bonds, I would sell it and use it to pay off college tuition.

[Scott Weber]

I'd sell it so fast.

[shOcktreAtmEnt]

It's going for half a million I think

[Broken Parachute]

I'd give to to my dog.

[FondestMemory]

i'd want to give the ball back to him. but only if they let me do it in person.

handing him the ball, giving him a handshake and telling him congratulations would be the ideal situation for me.

i have trouble profiting off something that doesn't involve me. for all the shit he's been put through, he deserves the ball and deserves the right to decide what he does with it. i mean, if he wanted to dish some cash out my way for my generousity, i wouldn't decline it, but i wouldn't expect it.

[BlinkinDuke]

As a Giants fan, I'd keep it. I couldn't part with it

[airik625]

sell it

[whitelines]

Burn it, shit on it, or sell it.

[jaimej]

Whoever says they would keep it is a liar. I'd sell that shit in 5 seconds.

[Dirty Ernie]

Sell it and buy me and all my friends helicopters. Point A to B in no time. Helipads on everyones houses.

[Trainsaw]

i'd sell it

[Jason Tate]

Cut it in half and sell them in halves.

[bgkersey]

Cut it in half and sell them in halves.

Haha... that might actually work.. cut it in seven pieces and sell them for $500k a piece.

[paulstew4]

gotta say i like the helicopters idea. that and cutting it in halves, i mean it's gotta still be worth somethin even like that right?

[rcrook]

I'd use it in a pickup baseball game on a random sandlot and i can only hope that a huge bull mastiff eats it.

[Adeniz19]

anyone who says they wouldn't sell it is only shitting themselves.

[paulstew4]

I'd use it in a pickup baseball game on a random sandlot and i can only hope that a huge bull mastiff eats it.

again, beautiful. i gotta admit not even I have thought up such wonderful examples of the demise of this tainted ball.

[Brownpants06]

i'd sandlot it

haha


in all seriousness i thought about this weeks ago. on one hand, you can throw it back and be bought free beers for life, or sell it for a sweet chunk of money.

yeah, i'd probably sell it.

[Split2nd]

You'd probably have to be escorted out of the stadium right when you got it.

[Broken Parachute]

Cut it in half and sell them in halves.I think you were being facetious, but that would actually make you even more money I bet than if you sold the entire ball.

[paulstew4]

You'd probably have to be escorted out of the stadium right when you got it.

true. and your avatar made me tear up a little. i already miss the lil guy

[TakingBackDowd]

i would want to throw it back just to prove a point to the country and baseball, even stick a syruinge in there lol.
but in all reality, i would show it off on NBC morning show and all that, then sell it.

[rcrook]

I'd sell it to Upper Deck so they could make Game Used Baseball cards. On the card is a picture of bonds hitting 756 and below the picture is a lil 1 inch by 1 inch piece of the baseball. Now those cards would sell.

[pshh]

You'd probably have to be escorted out of the stadium right when you got it.

true, at giants games they do escort you out

[Rockybehri]

I have a fantasy where i throw that shit back. You would be legendary for it.

[we are cured]

i wouldn't care if i had barry bonds tattoos all over my body, i'd still be selling that shit.

[ACA]

It's the equivalent of hitting the lottery. For some reason, in this country, sports stars are given hundreds of millions of dollars to swing a club, hit a ball, or run on grass. Meanwhile, people complain that doctors visits cost too much and turn around and spend $90 on seats at a game.

Last time I checked, Barry Bonds didn't give you that double bypass.

I'd sell the ball for every fucking dollar I could get. If Bonds himself started bidding, I'd make the motherfucker pay millions.

(All that ranting aside, anyone who knows me knows I'm the biggest Dallas Cowboys fan alive, and I love to watch/play all real sports -- sorry, kicking a soccer ball doesn't count -- so I don't want this post coming off as some punk who hates organized sports)

-ACA

[bduke13]

I have always wanted to catch a homerun ball from the away team and throw it back. With that being said I would probably keep it for a bit if i caught it then sell it

[rcrook]

It's the equivalent of hitting the lottery. For some reason, in this country, sports stars are given hundreds of millions of dollars to swing a club, hit a ball, or run on grass. Meanwhile, people complain that doctors visits cost too much and turn around and spend $90 on seats at a game.

Last time I checked, Barry Bonds didn't give you that double bypass.

I'd sell the ball for every fucking dollar I could get. If Bonds himself started bidding, I'd make the motherfucker pay millions.

(All that ranting aside, anyone who knows me knows I'm the biggest Dallas Cowboys fan alive, and I love to watch/play all real sports -- sorry, kicking a soccer ball doesn't count -- so I don't want this post coming off as some punk who hates organized sports)

-ACA


Hey Jim Rome cut out all the soccer isn't a sport bullshit.

[thejetstolehome]

It's the equivalent of hitting the lottery. For some reason, in this country, sports stars are given hundreds of millions of dollars to swing a club, hit a ball, or run on grass. Meanwhile, people complain that doctors visits cost too much and turn around and spend $90 on seats at a game.

Last time I checked, Barry Bonds didn't give you that double bypass.

I'd sell the ball for every fucking dollar I could get. If Bonds himself started bidding, I'd make the motherfucker pay millions.

(All that ranting aside, anyone who knows me knows I'm the biggest Dallas Cowboys fan alive, and I love to watch/play all real sports -- sorry, kicking a soccer ball doesn't count -- so I don't want this post coming off as some punk who hates organized sports)

-ACA

lol @ you.

[rcrook]

Hey guys look at me I sign my username at the end of every post.

-rcrook

[walshknilb281]

hahah Jim Rome

[Scott Weber]

Sometimes I'm glad we don't get people like that in here very often because we keep our discussion in the official threads most of the time.

People that don't think soccer is a sport are well, ...idiots.

[rcrook]

Sometimes I'm glad we don't get people like that in here very often because we keep our discussion in the official threads most of the time.

People that don't think soccer is a sport are well, ...idiots.


Scott you fucked up that last post you gotta sign your name at the end of it.

-rcrook

[CubbyNick42]

I'd give it to the HOF. I've always wanted to go, and I could probably get a super ultra deluxe backstage guided tour if I donated it.
Whoever says they would keep it is a liar. I'd sell that shit in 5 seconds.
anyone who says they wouldn't sell it is only shitting themselves.
The more I think about it, you could probably buy a pretty legit tour for significantly less than a half a mil...

[bduke13]

Sometimes I'm glad we don't get people like that in here very often because we keep our discussion in the official threads most of the time.

People that don't think soccer is a sport are well, ...idiots.

Thursday night soccer on ESPN2 is the nut high

[ACA]

Haha, I like to be a dick about soccer. Don't take it seriously.

I respect the athletes, and I think it's ridiculous how entire counties/cities get involved with the game on other continents, but I personally HATE playing it and HATE watching it.

-ACA

[Scott Weber]

I hate our country.

[rcrook]

Haha, I like to be a dick about soccer. Don't take it seriously.

I respect the athletes, and I think it's ridiculous how entire counties/cities get involved with the game on other continents, but I personally HATE playing it and HATE watching it.

-ACA



Well considering that other countries don't have baseball, football, basketball, hockey. Soccer is what they thrive on. It's all they have. It's a poor man sport. For you to say it's not a sport is absolutely ridiclous.

[Scott Weber]

it's so sad that we watch cars driving in circles but can't stand watching soccer, a sport with actual physical grace and skill?

[rcrook]

This is way off topic but we've all come to the decision that we'd sell the ball. But Scott what National Teams do you support besides the US?

[Scott Weber]

This is way off topic but we've all come to the decision that we'd sell the ball. But Scott what National Teams do you support besides the US?
national teams? england, italy.

[bigmike]

I would sell that shit -- whether it's back to Barry, the HOF, or the dude who created Spawn -- I don't care. Someone would be paying me money for that ball.

[ActorInThisPlay]

I would want to sell it for the money but I think I would either give it to Bonds or to the HOF.

[ActorInThisPlay]

it's so sad that we watch cars driving in circles but can't stand watching soccer, a sport with actual physical grace and skill?
hey left turns take a lot of skill and grace....hahaha

[Empty hearts187]

money talks

[StandMyBrothers]

feed it to a Great White Shark.

[anamericangod]

only offer to give it back after barry has signed a sworn affidavit admitting to his history of steroids abuse. then spit in his face and say fuck you for cheapening the game. then ask how his mistress is doing. then ask what its like having his buddies and co workers take the heat for him while he is making millions.

then I will put him in a pit with Michael Vick and Ray Lewis, and they will fight for days. The Loser gets put on a rape stand, and then smashed into the ground until he's dead.

That's my plan.

[rcrook]

only offer to give it back after barry has signed a sworn affidavit admitting to his history of steroids abuse. then spit in his face and say fuck you for cheapening the game. then ask how his mistress is doing. then ask what its like having his buddies and co workers take the heat for him while he is making millions.

then I will put him in a pit with Michael Vick and Ray Lewis, and they will fight for days. The Loser gets put on a rape stand, and then smashed into the ground until he's dead.

That's my plan.


dude you need to smoke more weed

[awfulwaffle]

only offer to give it back after barry has signed a sworn affidavit admitting to his history of steroids abuse. then spit in his face and say fuck you for cheapening the game. then ask how his mistress is doing. then ask what its like having his buddies and co workers take the heat for him while he is making millions.

then I will put him in a pit with Michael Vick and Ray Lewis, and they will fight for days. The Loser gets put on a rape stand, and then smashed into the ground until he's dead.

That's my plan.

co-sign, id give bonds the ball after he admits to using steroids

[dai the flu]

co-sign, id give bonds the ball after he admits to using steroids
you mean just like everyone else?
funny how reports about steroids indicate somewhere between 30-40% of major leaguers have used them at some point in their past, yet all those other players arent breaking homerun records?
yeah i guess bonds can only credit his ability to rubbing some cream on his knees. he's really tainted the game.

[awfulwaffle]

you mean just like everyone else?
funny how reports about steroids indicate somewhere between 30-40% of major leaguers have used them at some point in their past, yet all those other players arent breaking homerun records?
yeah i guess bonds can only credit his ability to rubbing some cream on his knees. he's really tainted the game.

oh shut the hell up, you dont hit 73 homeruns at age 36 naturally

[pshh]

it's so sad that we watch cars driving in circles but can't stand watching soccer, a sport with actual physical grace and skill?

i agree

[dai the flu]

oh shut the hell up, you dont hit 73 homeruns at age 36 naturally
though 73 is quite a bit more than aarons best, your argument makes it worth noting that hank aaron was 37 when he had his best season. he must've been on something too.

worth noting too, aaron's early career he hit a homerun somewhere around every 22 AB's. when he was 37 it was every 10.
bonds early career he hit one every 22 as well, and that number rose to around every 7 AB's during his 73 season.
not a tremendous difference. your age argument doesnt work.

[Scott Weber]

though 73 is quite a bit more than aarons best, your argument makes it worth noting that hank aaron was 37 when he had his best season. he must've been on something too.

worth noting too, aaron's early career he hit a homerun somewhere around every 22 AB's. when he was 37 it was every 10.
bonds early career he hit one every 22 as well, and that number rose to around every 7 AB's during his 73 season.
not a tremendous difference. your age argument doesnt work.
Stupidest fucking statement I have ever heard. Don't concede something, then immediately try to make an argument following it.

One every 22 AB to one every 7 AB is a HUGE difference - are you shitting me?

I am seriously convinced that all Giants fans are mentally deficient when it comes to thinking clearly about Barry Bonds.

[rcrook]

hahahahahaha Hank Aaron on steroids. Oh god we have some fucking comedians out here. Daniel Tosh is that you? Giants fans are fucking retarded as proven by the previous fools in this forum.

[dai the flu]

Stupidest fucking statement I have ever heard. Don't concede something, then immediately try to make an argument following it.

One every 22 AB to one every 7 AB is a HUGE difference - are you shitting me?

I am seriously convinced that all Giants fans are mentally deficient when it comes to thinking clearly about Barry Bonds.
wait im mentally deficient?
bonds' HR to AB ratio rose from 22 to 7 his best year.
aaron's HR to AB ratio rose from 22 to 9.8 his best year.
THAT is not a huge difference between the two, so if you're going to use that number to incriminate bonds, you should incriminate aaron as well.
im not a giants fan. im not even a bonds fan. im just tired of people saying that bonds tainted the game and he only is breaking this record because of his steroid use.
guess what. bonds is only one of dozens of steroid users in baseball. steroids didn't make everyone else's homerun numbers jump astronomically, so why are you assuming bonds' numbers are only due to his so-called "cheating"?

[Scott Weber]

Bonds is different than everyone else because a) He is an asshole. b) He not only disrespected the game, he disrespects his teammates, and the media. c) He showed the most physical growth . d) He is about to break the most hollowed record in baseball which is currently held by a complete class act, a man who respected the game and it's integrity, and e) Barry is a fucking asshole.

Also, Barry has admitted to using steroids, but has played the "I didn't know what it was" card despite dozens of testimonials otherwise that he knew exactly what he was going.

You have to be completely blind or just moronic to defend Barry Bonds in today's era. And what other steroid users didn't see a huge explosion of power? Sosa? McGwire? Brady Anderson?
Bret Boone? Canseco? Steroids make warning track flyouts home runs. Barry had the skill to go down as one of the greatest players to ever play the game, but he's ruined himself forever by acting like a douchebag and clearly cheating on his way to breaking this respected record.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

I would sell it in a second. Whoever paid the highest dollar. :nod:

[rcrook]

Barry Bonds would have hit 550-600 homeruns had he not used steroids. He would have been a hall of famer and gone down as one of the best hitters ever. He chose to use steroids and he TAINTED the game and his name. For you to say that you're tired of people saying Bonds tainted the game is ridiculous. He absolutely tainted the game. All of this asterik talk is tainting the game. I have no problem if somebody is a Barry Bonds fan. Me and 99 percent of America are not Bonds fans but if you are a Bonds fan at least admit he is a fucking cheat. How the hell can you incriminate Hank? Numbers aren't always everything.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

I'm not sure if I can say this in a forum for fear of being tracked down for no reason.

You think anyone thought to kill Barry Bonds before he hits the big one?

[GoWaitInTheCar]

What I'm not sure of is the why all these roids are in baseball. Once you are convicted of using performance enhancing drugs, why are you still allowed to play?

If I was in charge of Baseball I would suspend or even take more of a severe action to prevent this.

It seems like no one is investigating anything anymore, nothing is being done besides complaints.

[rcrook]

Killing Bonds would be stupid. As intense of debates we get into about baseball here and all the passion we have, we have to remember it's just a game. Bonds may be a prick and an asshole but that is no reason to kill a man. Life comes before baseball.

[awfulwaffle]

wait im mentally deficient?
bonds' HR to AB ratio rose from 22 to 7 his best year.
aaron's HR to AB ratio rose from 22 to 9.8 his best year.
THAT is not a huge difference between the two, so if you're going to use that number to incriminate bonds, you should incriminate aaron as well.
im not a giants fan. im not even a bonds fan. im just tired of people saying that bonds tainted the game and he only is breaking this record because of his steroid use.
guess what. bonds is only one of dozens of steroid users in baseball. steroids didn't make everyone else's homerun numbers jump astronomically, so why are you assuming bonds' numbers are only due to his so-called "cheating"?

barry had his 5 highest HR total seasons after turning 32, your argument is fallacious and untrue, shut the fuck up. he did steroids, the end.

[StandMyBrothers]

Bond's daughter is an annoying shit, I wanna throw some fucking chinese food at her next time she does the chicken dance.

[KidLightning]

I'd throw it right back at his big fat head, but not before marking it up with a nice big "FUCK YOU"

[punkrockness]

I do think that Barry Bonds is jerk. When I met him a few years ago he was anything but a gentleman, but I do love the game so I would donate the ball to the hall of fame. I'm actaully going to the game on Monday, so maybe I might be the lucky one to get the tie breaking ball, though I highly doubt it because I am an extremely unlucky person. I just hope he breaks it on Monday so I can witness a part of baseball history.

[StandMyBrothers]

that ball doesn't belong in the hall of fame, it belongs in Hercules hole filled of baseballs

[ghostyouare]

I would write CHEAT on it with a sharpie and throw it back and hope to pick up a contract from Sharpie to make up for the 1,000,000 dollar throw i just made.

[NFG4ever]

I'm not sure if I can say this in a forum for fear of being tracked down for no reason.

You think anyone thought to kill Barry Bonds before he hits the big one?

woah woah there chilll out bud , it's just a game haha.

[kshtoinks12]

I'm not sure if I can say this in a forum for fear of being tracked down for no reason.

You think anyone thought to kill Barry Bonds before he hits the big one?...

[dubey]

I would write CHEAT on it with a sharpie and throw it back and hope to pick up a contract from Sharpie to make up for the 1,000,000 dollar throw i just made.
Promotional deal + nationwide notoriety = winner

You'd be in every single highlight reel vault for eternity.

[ghostyouare]

Promotional deal + nationwide notoriety = winner

You'd be in every single highlight reel vault for eternity.
I mean even if you dont get a contract from sharpie for commercials youll atleast make it on every morning talk show and that would be fun.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Barry Bonds would have hit 550-600 homeruns had he not used steroids. He would have been a hall of famer and gone down as one of the best hitters ever. He chose to use steroids and he TAINTED the game and his name. For you to say that you're tired of people saying Bonds tainted the game is ridiculous. He absolutely tainted the game. All of this asterik talk is tainting the game. I have no problem if somebody is a Barry Bonds fan. Me and 99 percent of America are not Bonds fans but if you are a Bonds fan at least admit he is a fucking cheat. How the hell can you incriminate Hank? Numbers aren't always everything.
and you would know this how???

[ActorInThisPlay]

haha I love how everyone flips the fuck out over Bonds...this is great. for anyone that says that Bonds tainted the game of baseball...I hope you realize it was tainted long before Bonds and will continue to be tainted long after Bonds. He is just another brick in the wall (that's for you Scott) of probably 1,000's of players who so called "cheat." Again he has not been proven of shit so until he does...in the words of Black Bush "shut the fuck up."

[Scott Weber]

haha I love how everyone flips the fuck out over Bonds...this is great. for anyone that says that Bonds tainted the game of baseball...I hope you realize it was tainted long before Bonds and will continue to be tainted long after Bonds. He is just another brick in the wall (that's for you Scott) of probably 1,000's of players who so called "cheat." Again he has not been proven of shit so until he does...in the words of Black Bush "shut the fuck up."
Can you answer me a simple question?

Why do all Barry fans simply ignore the fact that Barry has admitted to using steroids (albeit unknowingly?) You don't have to be proven as guilty if you admit wrongdoing.

This continues to just blow my mind how brainwashed everyone has gotten over this. The ability for Giants fans to think rationally about Barry's steroid use is practically non-existent.

[rcrook]

and you would know this how???


It's called an estimation. I don't know what year he started taking roids, maybe 2,000. So if you take his average homeruns per year before that and add that to the 4 or 5 years he was roiding you could get a decent estimation of how many he would hit had he not been on roids. Maybe my guess is wrong, maybe he'd be at 600-650 but we definiely would not be talking about him chasing this record.

Secondly, every Giants fan in this forum maybe the dumbest mother fucker I've seen in here. You people are so illogical to this whole thing. Man the fuck up and say your player fucked up. Had the whole steroids situation with Gary Matthews Jr. blown up I'd say yeah our guy fucked up. But you people are so naive to this whole thing, you're in your own little bubble up in Nor Cal. A bubble where Barry is god and the game was tainted before him. Admit he is a lying, cheating piece of shit and have some fucking dignity.

[unwritten]

Fuck Bonds. I'd sell it.

[White Noise]

I'd keep it, just because i'm a baseball fan and its a piece of baseball history, even though Barry Bonds is a steroid using cheater, but i'd sell it if enofe money came my way, of coarse.

[ghostyouare]

haha I love how everyone flips the fuck out over Bonds...this is great. for anyone that says that Bonds tainted the game of baseball...I hope you realize it was tainted long before Bonds and will continue to be tainted long after Bonds. He is just another brick in the wall (that's for you Scott) of probably 1,000's of players who so called "cheat." Again he has not been proven of shit so until he does...in the words of Black Bush "shut the fuck up."
Whether thats true or not I find it funny that you cant tell the difference between other players who have doped and bonds. Not everyone is breaking a pure record of this magnitude. Bonds breaking the record couldnt happen to a bigger douche and thats why we flip shit over bonds.

[ActorInThisPlay]

It's called an estimation. I don't know what year he started taking roids, maybe 2,000. So if you take his average homeruns per year before that and add that to the 4 or 5 years he was roiding you could get a decent estimation of how many he would hit had he not been on roids. Maybe my guess is wrong, maybe he'd be at 600-650 but we definiely would not be talking about him chasing this record.

Secondly, every Giants fan in this forum maybe the dumbest mother fucker I've seen in here. You people are so illogical to this whole thing. Man the fuck up and say your player fucked up. Had the whole steroids situation with Gary Matthews Jr. blown up I'd say yeah our guy fucked up. But you people are so naive to this whole thing, you're in your own little bubble up in Nor Cal. A bubble where Barry is god and the game was tainted before him. Admit he is a lying, cheating piece of shit and have some fucking dignity.
I don't live in Nor Cal...I live about 20 min from LA douche...

[ActorInThisPlay]

Can you answer me a simple question?

Why do all Barry fans simply ignore the fact that Barry has admitted to using steroids (albeit unknowingly?) You don't have to be proven as guilty if you admit wrongdoing.

This continues to just blow my mind how brainwashed everyone has gotten over this. The ability for Giants fans to think rationally about Barry's steroid use is practically non-existent.
I think rationally far more than anyone else here. It turns into a Barry hatefest everytime the guys name is mentioned. At least half of the people in here are talking out of their asses but Bonds has again yet to be proven of knowingly doing anything. Say someone slipped some narcotic in your drink at a bar, does that make you a drug user? No, just because he took something his trainer showed him and told him to take doesn't mean he knew exactly what it was and did it to "cheat." I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, unlike everybody else, until he is proven of "cheating." If it does come out that he did knowingly take steroids, then yes, I will say he fucked up but I still don't think his record should be taken away from him.

[Scott Weber]

I think rationally far more than anyone else here. It turns into a Barry hatefest everytime the guys name is mentioned. At least half of the people in here are talking out of their asses but Bonds has again yet to be proven of knowingly doing anything. Say someone slipped some narcotic in your drink at a bar, does that make you a drug user? No, just because he took something his trainer showed him and told him to take doesn't mean he knew exactly what it was and did it to "cheat." I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, unlike everybody else, until he is proven of "cheating." If it does come out that he did knowingly take steroids, then yes, I will say he fucked up but I still don't think his record should be taken away from him.
No, you don't think rationally. Look at your fucking avatar, for God's sake. You're just like every other Giants fan here - brainwashed and dumb as a brick. What you do is blindly place your hands over your ears and scream la, la, la.

This is probably the most idiotic defense of Barry Bonds I have ever seen. Continue to ignore all of the evidence that shows that Bonds knew exactly what he was getting into. As a professional athlete, you are responsible for what you put into your body - period.

[FondestMemory]

having a bonds avatar makes him irrational? that doesn't make any sense.

i absolutely love bonds and am so fucking stoked for him to break this record. he's my favorite baseball player of all time and always has been.

i'm more than rational. i'm not brainwashed or dumb as a brick. disagree with me and other bonds supporters all you want, but the personal attacks add nothing to the conversation.

[rcrook]

I think rationally far more than anyone else here. It turns into a Barry hatefest everytime the guys name is mentioned. At least half of the people in here are talking out of their asses but Bonds has again yet to be proven of knowingly doing anything. Say someone slipped some narcotic in your drink at a bar, does that make you a drug user? No, just because he took something his trainer showed him and told him to take doesn't mean he knew exactly what it was and did it to "cheat." I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, unlike everybody else, until he is proven of "cheating." If it does come out that he did knowingly take steroids, then yes, I will say he fucked up but I still don't think his record should be taken away from him.


First off I don't give a fuck where you're from Nor Cal or 20 minutes north of LA you're still a piece of shit. You're so naive to think he didn't knowingly take steroids. Bonds has never hit 50 or more homeruns except the year he hit 73. To never ever hit 50 or more then all of a sudden hit 73 you have to know you're taking steroids. You sir may be the most irrational thinker on here. Sure some people talk out of their asses but you're the king of that my friend.

[Scott Weber]

having a bonds avatar makes him irrational? that doesn't make any sense.

i absolutely love bonds and am so fucking stoked for him to break this record. he's my favorite baseball player of all time and always has been.

i'm more than rational. i'm not brainwashed or dumb as a brick. disagree with me and other bonds supporters all you want, but the personal attacks add nothing to the conversation.
You are missing the point entirely. You can be a fan of Bonds and be happy for him. That is nowhere near the point, how you got that from the post is...weird.

[rcrook]

I have no problem with people being a Bonds fan but just have the balls to admit he is a lying, cheating asshole.


A little off topic but I didn't know Bonds was cousins with Reggie Jackson. I guess being an asshole runs in the blood.

[FondestMemory]

First off I don't give a fuck where you're from Nor Cal or 20 minutes north of LA you're still a piece of shit. You're so naive to think he didn't knowingly take steroids. Bonds has never hit 50 or more homeruns except the year he hit 73. To never ever hit 50 or more then all of a sudden hit 73 you have to know you're taking steroids. You sir may be the most irrational thinker on here. Sure some people talk out of their asses but you're the king of that my friend.

so, by that logic, to never hit 40 homeruns in a season and then hit 61 clearly means that you know maris was taking steroids as well, correct?

[Scott Weber]

so, by that logic, to never hit 40 homeruns in a season and then hit 61 clearly means that you know maris was taking steroids as well, correct?
Talk to me after Maris admits he took steroids and head size grows to 8 1/4.

[rcrook]

http://oddsandsods.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/9150280-barry-bonds.jpg

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/sports/brew/img/mar04/bonds327.jpg


You have to wear a helmet and ride the short bus not to know you're taking some type of steroid.

[StandMyBrothers]

saw a little girl wearing a bond shirts today in Yellowstone, god damn I wanted to push her into the cliffs.

[ActorInThisPlay]

No, you don't think rationally. Look at your fucking avatar, for God's sake. You're just like every other Giants fan here - brainwashed and dumb as a brick. What you do is blindly place your hands over your ears and scream la, la, la.

This is probably the most idiotic defense of Barry Bonds I have ever seen. Continue to ignore all of the evidence that shows that Bonds knew exactly what he was getting into. As a professional athlete, you are responsible for what you put into your body - period.
Yeah you figured me out Scott... I have an avatar of a player I happen to like, big fucking deal. Also try to stay away from the personal attacks...they don't add anything to your arguments.

[ActorInThisPlay]

First off I don't give a fuck where you're from Nor Cal or 20 minutes north of LA you're still a piece of shit. You're so naive to think he didn't knowingly take steroids. Bonds has never hit 50 or more homeruns except the year he hit 73. To never ever hit 50 or more then all of a sudden hit 73 you have to know you're taking steroids. You sir may be the most irrational thinker on here. Sure some people talk out of their asses but you're the king of that my friend.
your arguments are some of the worst i have seen...

[dai the flu]

http://oddsandsods.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/9150280-barry-bonds.jpg

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/sports/brew/img/mar04/bonds327.jpg


You have to wear a helmet and ride the short bus not to know you're taking some type of steroid.
lift weights for 21 years, see if you don't look bigger. idiot.

[Scott Weber]

lift weights for 21 years, see if you don't look bigger. idiot.
Yes, that clearly makes your head size grow to well over an 8. Idiot. Open your fucking eyes.

[rcrook]

lift weights for 21 years, see if you don't look bigger. idiot.

Umm the school district called and said the short bus will be there to pick you up at 830 tomorrow and dont forget to bring your helmet the bus driver is tired of giving you a replacement.


barry must be on one hell of a weight lifting regimine (sp?). and what work out helps your head grow an inch cause i've got this angels hat i want to wear but it's a little big on me.

[StandMyBrothers]

I need to go on his weight lifting program than, so I could fuck up my older brother.

[anamericangod]

damn, i knew there must have been a reason for my head getting so big lately...

[helpme364]

id sell it to the HOF.

[BlinkinDuke]

I do take offense that you guys claim that all Giant fans are stupid and overlook Bonds taking steroids. Granted the Giant fans on here (excluding me) may be incredibly stupid, we don't overlook it. We readily accept that Bonds most likely took steroids like a good majority of the players even though he has yet to fail a drug test. There's a few reasons why we tend to overlook it.
1) Bonds was the best player before everyone started taking steroids and the best after, we take pride in that. 2) Bonds is the only one receiving accusations of steroids when A-Rod and Ryan Howard start receiving accusations of steroids we'll pull our support from Bonds. 3) Yet to fail a drug test. Despite all the overwhelming circumstantial evidence against him, the one conclusive proof has yet to be put against him.

I have a question for everyone against Bonds, if he only hits 50-60 homeruns in 2002, would you feel the same way as him hitting 73 in a season? My only reasoning is that while a normal year for Bonds is a career year for everyone else, doesn't Bonds deserve the right to have one career year? Luis Gonzalez hit 57 homeruns in a season, Brady Anderson hit 51, yet don't receive the same hate. A-Rod and Ryan Howard just set records for the youngest or quickest to hit a certain mark, why then is Bonds the only one who is suspected? For the record I'm a Giants fan, not a Bonds fan. I dislike Bonds for what he's done, but I feel obligated to defend him a bit just because of what he has done for my team the last 14 years.

[Scott Weber]

I do take offense that you guys claim that all Giant fans are stupid and overlook Bonds taking steroids. Granted the Giant fans on here (excluding me) may be incredibly stupid, we don't overlook it. We readily accept that Bonds most likely took steroids like a good majority of the players even though he has yet to fail a drug test. There's a few reasons why we tend to overlook it.
1) Bonds was the best player before everyone started taking steroids and the best after, we take pride in that. 2) Bonds is the only one receiving accusations of steroids when A-Rod and Ryan Howard start receiving accusations of steroids we'll pull our support from Bonds. 3) Yet to fail a drug test. Despite all the overwhelming circumstantial evidence against him, the one conclusive proof has yet to be put against him.

I have a question for everyone against Bonds, if he only hits 50-60 homeruns in 2002, would you feel the same way as him hitting 73 in a season? My only reasoning is that while a normal year for Bonds is a career year for everyone else, doesn't Bonds deserve the right to have one career year? Luis Gonzalez hit 57 homeruns in a season, Brady Anderson hit 51, yet don't receive the same hate. A-Rod and Ryan Howard just set records for the youngest or quickest to hit a certain mark, why then is Bonds the only one who is suspected? For the record I'm a Giants fan, not a Bonds fan. I dislike Bonds for what he's done, but I feel obligated to defend him a bit just because of what he has done for my team the last 14 years.
Here's the thing. First of all, Barry wasn't the best before. And he's not the best afterwards. A great player, a top 5 most likely before, and mayyyybe afterwards, but he doesn't contribute much defensively anymore and his speed is an issue. He is a feared hitter who draws an insane amount of walks, but he's never been the best - not in this era. So you may take pride in that, but it's just not correct. Know that.

2) Why would A-Rod ever be accused of steroids? He's had raw power ever since he was a teenager, and saw it develop naturally throughout his 20s. Ryan Howard has been a huge guy all the way through the system with monster power all along. It doesn't matter if Barry has never failed a drug test - he admitted to using steroids. Again, all Giants fans choose to ignore this. Proof is replaced by an admission of wrongdoing. And...the circumstantial evidence is very, VERY damning - much more so than any of the other players you've named.

3) Brady Anderson is a punchline. He will probably go down in history as being the defining fluke player of the steroids era - so I wouldn't say that.

As far as everything else, there is a huge difference here. Barry Bonds is well, an asshole. A douchebag. A shitty teammate, a dick to the fans, an obvious liar, and he is hated for it. As far as only Bonds being suspected, I addressed that already, but the physical changes in Barry's body are proof enough. You can bulk up, but your head doesn't balloon in size like that naturally - that's flat out obvious. Bonds receives hate because he is breaking a record that a class act owns, and he's an asshole. That's not much more to it. He is guilty, everyone knows it.

I understand why Giants fans would want to defend him. But to sit back and say "Why isn't anybody accusing A-Rod" is stupid. So is Ryan Howard - just as much as saying Prince Fielder did steroids. These are big, big boys. Haha.

[BlinkinDuke]

Just to point out, McGwire was a big kid, he took steroids. Canseco was big, he took them as well, so its not just the little guys like Neifi Perez who have been taking them. And I never overlooked the fact that Bonds most likely took them, I'm just pointing out that by placing an asterisk on Bonds for this record, every record in the "Steroid Era" has to come with an asterisk as there is no way of being able to prove who took them and who didn't.

Bonds being the best player is always going to be debated. The fact that he won 3 MVP awards in 4 years in the early '90s really gives him an advantage no one can top. Granted, lately he has become a liabilty but how many players would you take before him in the early years of this decade? One or two? Pretty damn good for a 35 year old. I admit I'm a bit biased because I've always been a Giants fan, but with the awards Bonds has won, you have to really be looking for a reason to hate him to overlook his skill. Lemme guess, Griffey over Bonds in the '90s?

Bonds isn't that big of an asshole. I've met him a few times and everyone else I know who has met him has not come away thinking he's as big of an asshole as the media perpetrates him to be. Just figured I'd point that out. Refusing to speak to the media isn't the defining sign of an asshole. And the notable players Bonds hasn't gotten along with (Jeff Kent and Will Clark) are two of the most WT players in baseball.

Just looking through the thread and Scott...how can you possibly support both England and Italy's football teams...thats just not possible. Until you explain that I don't know if I can accept anything you say about Bonds

[dai the flu]

ok since everyone is bringing the head size thing up, i'll address it.

in 21 years, his hat size grew half an inch. thats it. he went from 7 1/8 to 7 3/4.
how is that considered overwhelming evidence of steroid use? that happened over 21 years. you show me anybody that kept the same hat size from the time they were 22 till they were 43. it happens.
half an inch.
and you call me irrational.

[marrost]

ok since everyone is bringing the head size thing up, i'll address it.

in 21 years, his hat size grew half an inch. thats it. he went from 7 1/8 to 7 3/4.
how is that considered overwhelming evidence of steroid use? that happened over 21 years. you show me anybody that kept the same hat size from the time they were 22 till they were 43. it happens.
half an inch.
and you call me irrational.You don't wear hats around your cheeks. Steroids puff your face out; they don't really make your head grow.

[Scott Weber]

ok since everyone is bringing the head size thing up, i'll address it.

in 21 years, his hat size grew half an inch. thats it. he went from 7 1/8 to 7 3/4.
how is that considered overwhelming evidence of steroid use? that happened over 21 years. you show me anybody that kept the same hat size from the time they were 22 till they were 43. it happens.
half an inch.
and you call me irrational.
Have you ever worn a fitted hat before? Try wearing a 7 1/8 (which I can barely squeeze onto my head) and then put on a 7 3/4 - and tell me that's not a ridiculously huge jump. Hell, I wear 7 1/4 and 7 and 1/2 is comically huge on me... 7 3/4 I could fit both hands around my head and still have plenty of room to spare. That is a HUGE, HUGE difference. I also call bullshit on it being a 7 3/4. Most reports I've heard have him at at least an 8, most at 8 1/4.

[Scott Weber]

Just looking through the thread and Scott...how can you possibly support both England and Italy's football teams...thats just not possible. Until you explain that I don't know if I can accept anything you say about Bonds
Because I'm not from England or Italy and I appreciate teams that play good soccer. I enjoy many players on both the Italian and English teams. If it comes down to showing support for one vs. the other, I pull for England. But he asked me what teams I support, not team.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

my head was a a 7 3/8, 4 years ago now its a 7 3/4...... but im at an age where im still growing.

usually doesnt happen when you are in your 30's.

and rcrook, get some new jokes...ill buy you a joke a day calendar you have the worst witty remarks in the history of civilization.

[BlinkinDuke]

Because I'm not from England or Italy and I appreciate teams that play good soccer. I enjoy many players on both the Italian and English teams. If it comes down to showing support for one vs. the other, I pull for England. But he asked me what teams I support, not team.

Fair enough. Just seemed a little odd to me. Almost like a person liking both the Dodgers and the Angels. Not hated rivals, but one of those areas where you find it hard to believe that someone could support both

[thejetstolehome]

Because I'm not from England or Italy and I appreciate teams that play good soccer. I enjoy many players on both the Italian and English teams. If it comes down to showing support for one vs. the other, I pull for England. But he asked me what teams I support, not team.

you're dead to me.

[Scott Weber]

Fair enough. Just seemed a little odd to me. Almost like a person liking both the Dodgers and the Angels. Not hated rivals, but one of those areas where you find it hard to believe that someone could support both
Yeah. As an American, it's easy to place loyalty to soccer teams wherever we damn well please but not much is going on here.

[ActorInThisPlay]

Here's the thing. First of all, Barry wasn't the best before. And he's not the best afterwards. A great player, a top 5 most likely before, and mayyyybe afterwards, but he doesn't contribute much defensively anymore and his speed is an issue. He is a feared hitter who draws an insane amount of walks, but he's never been the best - not in this era. So you may take pride in that, but it's just not correct. Know that.

2) Why would A-Rod ever be accused of steroids? He's had raw power ever since he was a teenager, and saw it develop naturally throughout his 20s. Ryan Howard has been a huge guy all the way through the system with monster power all along. It doesn't matter if Barry has never failed a drug test - he admitted to using steroids. Again, all Giants fans choose to ignore this. Proof is replaced by an admission of wrongdoing. And...the circumstantial evidence is very, VERY damning - much more so than any of the other players you've named.

3) Brady Anderson is a punchline. He will probably go down in history as being the defining fluke player of the steroids era - so I wouldn't say that.

As far as everything else, there is a huge difference here. Barry Bonds is well, an asshole. A douchebag. A shitty teammate, a dick to the fans, an obvious liar, and he is hated for it. As far as only Bonds being suspected, I addressed that already, but the physical changes in Barry's body are proof enough. You can bulk up, but your head doesn't balloon in size like that naturally - that's flat out obvious. Bonds receives hate because he is breaking a record that a class act owns, and he's an asshole. That's not much more to it. He is guilty, everyone knows it.

I understand why Giants fans would want to defend him. But to sit back and say "Why isn't anybody accusing A-Rod" is stupid. So is Ryan Howard - just as much as saying Prince Fielder did steroids. These are big, big boys. Haha.
Bonds has 7 MVP's...nobody else in the history of baseball even has 4 and Bonds had 4 in consecutive years. 1990, 1992-1993, and 2001-2004. At least 3 of those were pre-steroids so he is at least tied for the most ever.

[LeftWideOpen]

Here's the thing. First of all, Barry wasn't the best before. And he's not the best afterwards. A great player, a top 5 most likely before, and mayyyybe afterwards, but he doesn't contribute much defensively anymore and his speed is an issue. He is a feared hitter who draws an insane amount of walks, but he's never been the best - not in this era. So you may take pride in that, but it's just not correct. Know that.

2) Why would A-Rod ever be accused of steroids? He's had raw power ever since he was a teenager, and saw it develop naturally throughout his 20s. Ryan Howard has been a huge guy all the way through the system with monster power all along. It doesn't matter if Barry has never failed a drug test - he admitted to using steroids. Again, all Giants fans choose to ignore this. Proof is replaced by an admission of wrongdoing. And...the circumstantial evidence is very, VERY damning - much more so than any of the other players you've named.

3) Brady Anderson is a punchline. He will probably go down in history as being the defining fluke player of the steroids era - so I wouldn't say that.

As far as everything else, there is a huge difference here. Barry Bonds is well, an asshole. A douchebag. A shitty teammate, a dick to the fans, an obvious liar, and he is hated for it. As far as only Bonds being suspected, I addressed that already, but the physical changes in Barry's body are proof enough. You can bulk up, but your head doesn't balloon in size like that naturally - that's flat out obvious. Bonds receives hate because he is breaking a record that a class act owns, and he's an asshole. That's not much more to it. He is guilty, everyone knows it.

I understand why Giants fans would want to defend him. But to sit back and say "Why isn't anybody accusing A-Rod" is stupid. So is Ryan Howard - just as much as saying Prince Fielder did steroids. These are big, big boys. Haha.

i agree w/ most of this, i'd only proceed with caution on one point: that a player being big all thru the minors is good evidence that he didnt do steroids. they may just start at a young age, especially these younger guys. i dont give anyone the benefit of the doubt anymore.

[ghostyouare]

lift weights for 21 years, see if you don't look bigger. idiot.
never mind the fact that the first 10 years of those weight lifting did nothing and all of a sudden your body blows up..

[pshh]

Yeah. As an American, it's easy to place loyalty to soccer teams wherever we damn well please but not much is going on here.

i see you've joined the fantasy soccer league :-)

[Scott Weber]

i see you've joined the fantasy soccer league :-)
Yep, haha. I'll probably get my ass kicked but it should be fun.
i agree w/ most of this, i'd only proceed with caution on one point: that a player being big all thru the minors is good evidence that he didnt do steroids. they may just start at a young age, especially these younger guys. i dont give anyone the benefit of the doubt anymore.
That's a good point.

[tonighttonight0]

i'd sell it
or burn it if people weren't gonna pay enough for it

[BlinkinDuke]

Yep, haha. I'll probably get my ass kicked but it should be fun.

I think the league is mostly Americans so you shouldn't do too poorly, still gonna be a blast. I play in one with a bunch of Brits, get slaughtered everytime because they can see every game, while I get shit.

[banana_hammock]

Barry is incredible no matter what he took. As for the ball, even though I love the giants, I would sell it to someone. What the fuck am I going to do look at the ball all day. Nope, I'd rather have a shitload of money than a baseball no matter who hit it.

[trindaddy]

gone. one lucky bastard is rollin in piles

[MIKEY_HORROR]

I'd sell it ...but not just to anyone...

I would sell it to someone that would actually do something with it..or it would have value to...l

(ex. Bonds/HoF/ or someone associated with the team or league)

[Scott Weber]

Well, the person that caught it may have to use all his money to pay his medical bills.

[rcrook]

Gotta love a guy in a Mets jersey snagging it.

[Broken Parachute]

Haha, it takes eight cops to escort him out.

I really despise Bonds. It's sad.

[umendevery1weno]

If I was him I'd sell it asap, before people start to understand that, A-Rod is going to bash this record eventually.

[ActorInThisPlay]

If I was him I'd sell it asap, before people start to understand that, A-Rod is going to bash this record eventually.
i'm interested to see if Canseco's comments regarding A-Rod are really going to pan out to be anything or if he is just using it as a marketing ploy for his new book coming out. i'm thinking the latter.

[umendevery1weno]

Thats what im thinking to.

[Chemical Love]

I would sell that ball and collect as quickly as I could.

[AshesAshes]

I'd sell it to the Giants or Barry Bonds and get season tickets for the rest of my life + the money

[FondestMemory]

i'm so happy for bonds right now. that's fucking awesome.

[KidRobot]

The happiest day of my life is going to be when A-Rod smashes this record.

[we are cured]

Gotta love a guy in a Mets jersey snagging it.

damn right

[preppyak]

Gotta love a guy in a Mets jersey snagging it.
haha, I had just made that joke at the bar, that it would be great if a Nationals fan got it...then he got it instead...worked out perfectly

"Murphy and a friend were en route to Australia and in San Francisco for a one-day layover, a Giants spokesman said. They purchased tickets just before the game."

How do you manage to get tickets in the outfield bleachers for that game...EVERY fan should have wanter those seats

[TakingBackDowd]

mets fans > all MLB fans



besides Drew

[helpme364]

The happiest day of my life is going to be when A-Rod smashes this record.

same

[FondestMemory]

i hope he plays next year so he can get 3,000 hits. that'd make me happy.

[TakingBackDowd]

i hope he plays next year so he can get 3,000 hits. that'd make me happy.

why? you enjoy watching a scumbag cheater who is breaking records that are held by respectable baseball players? :shrug: suit yourself.

[youkwalks]

It's getting a little tiring watching and hearing people spout off cheater when there is no direct evidence to it.

say what you want and quote what you like, but its all circumstantial and until Mitchell, MLB, or another party come out with the proof, its a legitimate record.

[awfulwaffle]

i hope he plays next year so he can get 3,000 hits. that'd make me happy.

and i hope lebron james tears his acl

[Scott Weber]

It's getting a little tiring watching and hearing people spout off cheater when there is no direct evidence to it.

say what you want and quote what you like, but its all circumstantial and until Mitchell, MLB, or another party come out with the proof, its a legitimate record.
Barry Bonds admitted in court to using a banned substance in baseball.

How can it get any clearer?

[FondestMemory]

why? you enjoy watching a scumbag cheater who is breaking records that are held by respectable baseball players? :shrug: suit yourself.

3,000 hits isn't a record. and yes, i enjoy watching my favorite baseball player ever do well.

[TakingBackDowd]

3,000 hits isn't a record. and yes, i enjoy watching my favorite baseball player ever do well.

i know its not a record, but only a select elite players have ever reached the milestone*

and i loathe him.



*-word i should have used instead of record.

[thejetstolehome]

i know its not a record, but only a select elite players have ever reached the milestone*

and i loathe him.



*-word i should have used instead of record.

Craig Biggio begs to differ.

[Thexhorde]

I would sell that ball in a second and use the money to make bonds life at games a living hell. As a lifelong braves fan there is not a man i hate more.

[TakingBackDowd]

I would sell that ball in a second and use the money to make bonds life at games a living hell. As a lifelong braves fan there is not a man i hate more.

first sentence: what?

[rcrook]

first sentence: what?


second sentence: what?


what does being a braves have to do with hating bonds?

[TakingBackDowd]

second sentence: what?


what does being a braves have to do with hating bonds?

yeah that entire thing didn't make one bit of a sense.

[preppyak]

first sentence: what?
Well, assuming Bonds plays next season and that's it...he has at most like 200 games left in his career (assuming he plays them all).

The ball goes for anywhere between $300,000 and $600,000 from what I've read...who knows maybe more, but let's lowball it at $400,000 to make the math easy.

That would leave you $2,000 for every game to do whatever you could (signs, shirts, etc) to openly heckle Barry...I dunno, that'd be kind of fun. Shirts are cheap in bulk, for that kind of money you could make a 100,000 anti-Barry Bonds shirts and pass them out to a section of fans at each game...become the ultimate Bond-hater, probably get on ESPN or something. Its completely unneccesary, but, I guess

I think that's what was meant though

[FondestMemory]

wow. so he'd sell the ball and use the money to become the first person ever to heckle barry bonds.

that sure would make his life hell. he's never had to deal with anything like that before.

such aspirations.

[TakingBackDowd]

wow. so he'd sell the ball and use the money to become the first person ever to heckle barry bonds.

that sure would make his life hell. he's never had to deal with anything like that before.

such aspirations.

i actually agree.

[QuikTrig]

I would sell that ball in a second and use the money to make bonds life at games a living hell. As a lifelong braves fan there is not a man i hate more.

and as a giants fan, that made me laugh out loud.

[rcrook]

wow. so he'd sell the ball and use the money to become the first person ever to heckle barry bonds.

that sure would make his life hell. he's never had to deal with anything like that before.

such aspirations.


it's like Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back when they use all of their money to travel around and beat the shit out of the kids that talked shit on poopshoot.com

[thejetstolehome]

second sentence: what?


what does being a braves have to do with hating bonds?

Hank Aaron = Brave was the only thing i could think of.

[marrost]

On PTI today Wilbon basically called Giants fans a bunch of pussies for allowing a guy in a Mets jersey to walk away with the ball haha.

[QuikTrig]

On PTI today Wilbon basically called Giants fans a bunch of pussies for allowing a guy in a Mets jersey to walk away with the ball haha.

as a lifelong giants fan and attendee of the game, that honestly was the only thing that upset me about the whole night.

some random schmo on a stopover to go australia catches the ball? while thousands of giants fans are paying hundreds upon hundreds of dollars for those bleacher and arcade seats in hopes of snatching it? bummer.

[TakingBackDowd]

Hank Aaron = Brave was the only thing i could think of.

oh yeah, i guess that makes a little more sense.

[jorn444]

I would sell that ball in a second and use the money to make bonds life at games a living hell. As a lifelong braves fan there is not a man i hate more.
Bonds haters are very comical.

[StandMyBrothers]

lol say the ball fetches 600,000, he loses 200,000 of it to Taxes.

[youkwalks]

On PTI today Wilbon basically called Giants fans a bunch of pussies for allowing a guy in a Mets jersey to walk away with the ball haha.
In defense of everyone at the game...did you see the scrum?

However, someone should have punched that guy out for wearing a Mets jersey. I hate it when people go to a game wearing apparel from a team who isn't playing. A hat is one thing, but to go decked in a Jersey, come on.

[youkwalks]

Barry Bonds admitted in court to using a banned substance in baseball.

How can it get any clearer?
Well to his defense, "unknowingly" (believe it or not...)

I was more or less talking about the Mitchell investigation which has gotten no where.

[dai the flu]

Well to his defense, "unknowingly" (believe it or not...)

I was more or less talking about the Mitchell investigation which has gotten no where.
he didn't use anything banned by baseball.
and if you're considering something "illegal" to be the same thing as banned, lets throw out the stats of every player thats smoked pot before.

[Scott Weber]

he didn't use anything banned by baseball.
and if you're considering something "illegal" to be the same thing as banned, lets throw out the stats of every player thats smoked pot before.
The Houston Chronicle's Richard Justice always has something interesting to say in his blog. Yesterday he cleared up a common misconception (http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2006/03/on_books_bonds.html) about steroids being banned only in recent years:
"Commissioner Fay Vincent sent the clubs a memo in 1991 reminding them that players were forbidden from taking any illegal substance. He specifically mention steroids in the memo and encouraged the clubs to take a get-tough policy on players thought to be using steroids.
What could a team have done if it suspected a player of using steroids? Probably nothing.
Vincent simply wanted to be on the record as letting the clubs know that steroid use was against the rules and that they shouldn't be afraid to confront a player.
There was no testing for steroids until 2003 (after being part of the 2002 labor agreement).
The notion that Bonds wasn't breaking any rules is ridiculous. He was. He knew he was."

... Nice try. It was clearly banned by baseball.

[BlinkinDuke]

... Nice try. It was clearly banned by baseball.

I'm not saying that it wasn't banned and as steroids became a Class III controlled substance (illegal w/o a prescription) it breaks the rules , but Faye Vincent did not write the memo with steroids in mind, he focused solely on ...I don't want to say drugs because that encompasses everything, but narcotics like pot, coke, heroin, amphetamines, that sort of stuff. I don't think he thought of the possibility that guys could take steroids.

I think I figured out why us Giant fans continually make excuses for why Bonds hasn't done steroids (although a good portion of us believe he has, we're just enjoying his run out here which will end this year). Its for the same reason why everyone else makes excuses for the rest of the power hitters in baseball. Everyone else picks a scapegoat (Bonds) while we sit and point the finger back and say "What about x, y, and z."

[youkwalks]

did you read his quote?

[BlinkinDuke]

He doesn't ban steroids in all aspects, just if you don't have a prescription. Pointing out a loophole, he didn't place an overall ban on them

[Scott Weber]

I'm not saying that it wasn't banned and as steroids became a Class III controlled substance (illegal w/o a prescription) it breaks the rules , but Faye Vincent did not write the memo with steroids in mind, he focused solely on ...I don't want to say drugs because that encompasses everything, but narcotics like pot, coke, heroin, amphetamines, that sort of stuff. I don't think he thought of the possibility that guys could take steroids.




The Houston Chronicle's Richard Justice always has something interesting to say in his blog. Yesterday he cleared up a common misconception (http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2006/03/on_books_bonds.html) about steroids being banned only in recent years:
"Commissioner Fay Vincent sent the clubs a memo in 1991 reminding them that players were forbidden from taking any illegal substance. He specifically mentioned steroids in the memo and encouraged the clubs to take a get-tough policy on players thought to be using steroids.
What could a team have done if it suspected a player of using steroids? Probably nothing.
Vincent simply wanted to be on the record as letting the clubs know that steroid use was against the rules and that they shouldn't be afraid to confront a player.
There was no testing for steroids until 2003 (after being part of the 2002 labor agreement).
The notion that Bonds wasn't breaking any rules is ridiculous. He was. He knew he was."

.....

[BlinkinDuke]

MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL'S 1991 DRUG POLICY

The possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players and personnel is strictly prohibited. Those involved in the possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance are subject to discipline by the commissioner and risk permanent expulsion from the game.

In addition to any discipline this office may impose, a club also may take action under applicable provisions of and special covenants to the uniform Player's Contract. This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs and controlled substances, including steroids or prescription drugs for which the individual in possession of the drug does not have a prescription.

Major League Baseball recognizes that illegal drug use has become a national problem, and that some players and Baseball personnel may fall victim to drugs. Baseball will not hesitate to permanently remove from the game those players and personnel who, despite our efforts to treat and rehabilitate, refuse to accept responsibility for the problem and continue to use illegal drugs. If any Club covers up or otherwise fails to disclose to this office any information concerning drug use by a player, that Club will be fined $250,000, the highest allowable amount under the Major League Agreement.

Testing Major League Baseball believes that its testing program is the most effective means available to deter and detect drug use. For admitted or detected drug users, testing will be a component of that individual's after-care program for the balance of his or her professional Baseball career.

Conclusion This office will continue to search for positive and constructive methods for dealing with drug use. While Baseball will attempt to treat and rehabilitate any player or personnel who falls victim to a drug problem, we will not hesitate to impose discipline, especially in those cases involving repeated offenses or refusals to participate in a recommended and appropriate course of treatment.

If any Club has a question about any aspect of the drug use program, please contact Louis Melendez, Associate Counsel, Major League Baseball Player Relations Committee.

Sincerely, Francis T. Vincent, Jr., Commissioner, Major League Baseball
CC: League Presidents
Player Relations Committee
Major League Baseball Players Association


Where besides the bolded area does he mention getting tough on steroids? Vincent mentions steroids as an afterthought, not as the focal point for writing the memos. It wasn't getting tough on steroids he wanted, it was tough on coke and other drugs so they could manage to put the players into rehab before they ruined the integrity of the league.

[kshtoinks12]

I'd keep the ball. Seriously.

[BlinkinDuke]

The only problem is that by keeping the ball, the guy who caught it still gets placed into the upper income tax bracket which could seriously fuck with him.

[StuGrimson]

Those tax rules are ridiculous, I dont understand how catching a ball can be income.

[StandMyBrothers]

I hope he isn't being bothered in Australia

[BlinkinDuke]

Those tax rules are ridiculous, I dont understand how catching a ball can be income.

Property is a part of your worth. So coming into a $600,000 ball is essentially you making that much money whether you decide to keep it or sell it

[StuGrimson]

I believe that gifts and lottery winnings finding things like baseballs etc should not be classified as taxable income. For example people that went to a taping of Oprah and were given a free car have to pay all the taxes on that, which many of them cant really afford. All that shit seems nice at first but then when the tax man comes calling it becomes a burden. In Canada the taxes sure arent perfect but I think we have it right when it comes to not taxing gifts, lottery earnings, gambling earnings and game show winnings.

[xerovision1]

throw it back.

[FondestMemory]

I believe that gifts and lottery winnings finding things like baseballs etc should not be classified as taxable income. For example people that went to a taping of Oprah and were given a free car have to pay all the taxes on that, which many of them cant really afford. All that shit seems nice at first but then when the tax man comes calling it becomes a burden. In Canada the taxes sure arent perfect but I think we have it right when it comes to not taxing gifts, lottery earnings, gambling earnings and game show winnings.

i don't mind lottery winnings and shit being taxed, but the gift taxes are fucking ridiculous. if somebody wants to give me something, i shouldn't have to pay for it.

[dai the flu]

Total
56
17 Pitchers

Admitted Users
Ken Caminiti (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#ken_caminiti)
Barry Bonds (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#barry_bonds)
Bobby Estalella (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#bobby_estalella)
Jason Giambi (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#jason_giambi)
Jeremy Giambi (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#jeremy_giambi)
Armando Rios (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#armando_rios)
Benito Santiago (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#benito_santiago)
Gary Sheffield (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#gary_sheffield)
Jose Canseco (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#jose_canseco)
Tom House (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#tom_house)
Wally Joyner (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#wally_joyner)
Jim Leyritz (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#jim_leyritz)
Paxton Crawford (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#paxton_crawford)
Jason Grimsley (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#jason_grimsley)
David Segui (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#david_segui)
John Rocker (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#john_rocker)
Total: 16

Implicated Players
Mark McGwire (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#mark_mcgwire)
Manny Alexander (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#manny_alexander)
Chuck Finley (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#chuck_finley)
Marvin Bernard (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#marvin_bernard)
Randy Velarde (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#randy_velarde)
Wilson Alvarez (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#wilson_alvarez)
Bret Boone (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#bret_boone)
Ozzie Canseco (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#ozzie_canseco)
Juan Gonzalez (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#juan_gonzalez)
Dave Martinez (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#dave_martinez)
Ivan Rodriguez (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#ivan_rodriguez)
Tony Saunders (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#tony_saunders)
Miguel Tejada (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#miguel_tejada)
Lenny Dykstra (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#lenny_dykstra)
Dave Hollins (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#dave_hollins)
Roger Clemens (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#roger_clemens)
Andy Pettitte (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#andy_pettitte)
Brian Roberts (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#brian_roberts)
Jay Gibbons (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#jay_gibbons)
Gary Matthews Jr. (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#gary_matthews_jr)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#jerry_hairston_jr)
David Bell (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#david_bell)
Darren Holmes (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#darren_holmes)
Total: 23

MLB Positive Tests
Alex Sanchez (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#alex_sanchez)
Jorge Piedra (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#jorge_piedra)
Agustin Montero (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#agustin_montero)
Jamal Strong (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#jamal_strong)
Juan Rincon (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#juan_rincon)
Rafael Betancourt (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#rafael_betancourt)
Rafael Palmeiro (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#rafael_palmeiro)
Ryan Franklin (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#ryan_franklin)
Mike Morse (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#mike_morse)
Carlos Almanzar (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#carlos_almanzar)
Felix Heredia (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#felix_heredia)
Matt Lawton (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#matt_lawton)
Yusaku Iriki (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#yusaku_iriki)
Guillermo Mota (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#guillermo_mota)
Juan Salas (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#juan_salas)
Total: 15

Non-MLB Positive Tests
Terrmel Sledge (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#terrmel_sledge)
Derek Turnbow (http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/08/list-of-steroid-hgh-users-in-baseball.html#derrick_turnbow)
Total: 2



this list is exactly why i don't care what bonds does. so many other players use/have used steroids and nobody cares about them. just admit you hate bonds as a person and quit the 'he tainted the game with his cheating' charade.

[LeftWideOpen]

does it seriously escape you that if anyone else on this list was trying to break/did break a huge MLB record, they'd be treated the same? look at mcgwire now ..he cant even show his face. whats he have in common w/ bonds? he broke a big record.

for the record, i was excited when bonds broke it. it was a historical moment. but your argument was still really freaking stupid and needs to be addressed.

[Scott Weber]

does it seriously escape you that if anyone else on this list was trying to break/did break a huge MLB record, they'd be treated the same? look at mcgwire now ..he cant even show his face. whats he have in common w/ bonds? he broke a big record.

for the record, i was excited when bonds broke it. it was a historical moment. but your argument was still really freaking stupid and needs to be addressed.
seriously.

[dai the flu]

he hasn't broken any revered records, but look at the respect roger clemens recieves without mention of any steroid controversy...
this is just retarded. im so tired of this double standard. so what if bonds is breaking records?
he isn't any more guilty than anybody else on that list.
i can't wait for news to break of pujols or a-rod doing something. anybody that isnt too stupid or naive knows that they have. and i know exactly how you all will respond. apatheticly.
because this isn't about cheating or steroids or records, this is about hating barry bonds for being barry bonds.

[Scott Weber]

i can't wait for news to break of pujols or a-rod doing something. anybody that isnt too stupid or naive knows that they have. and i know exactly how you all will respond. apatheticly.
because this isn't about cheating or steroids or records, this is about hating barry bonds for being barry bonds.
All Bonds supporters have convinced themselves that A-Rod or Pujols is juicing. Hell, I've even heard some say Griffey juiced. Just because other players had success without cheating doesn't mean they did - there is no evidence to suggest that they were involved in it at all.

And when you're a douchebag who doesn't respect anybody, you get treated like one - steroids or not.