Bill O'Reilly has an epiphany

[BoiledFrogs.]

Apparently, Mr. O'Reilly recently went to Sylvia's (http://www.sylviassoulfood.com/), a famous soul food restaurant in Harlem and while he was there, he came to the realization that not all black people are Lil' Jon.

Quote:
And I couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship. It was the same, and that's really what this society's all about now here in the U.S.A.
Quote:
There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, "M-Fer, I want more iced tea."

WILLIAMS: Please--

O'REILLY: You know, I mean, everybody was -- it was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun. And there wasn't any kind of craziness at all.
http://www.avclub.com/content/node/66989
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WWlNmQa_P8

Racist fuck confirmed?

[boykosaurus]

oh wow...I don't know how to respond to this

[a speedo model]

Damn...

[bluecrunchy]

haha damn it...

[richter915]

the funny thing is that he won't see the racism in his comments. They really put any idiot on TV these days.

[TheOtherAndrew]

Black people have restaurants?

[richter915]

Black people have restaurants?
prob o'reilly's first thought upon hearing about this place.

[youcomebeforeyo]

Bahahaha.

Poor America.

[Broken Parachute]

Hahaha.

[ghostyouare]

I dont think he meant anything negative by this and i really cant stand him. Its the same as when white people get ostracized for calling Obama an articulate black man.

[asmolitor]

to be fair, the context in the secondhand telling of this story is ridiculous. sure, o'reilly's an asshole, but trying to pin the 'imus card' on him in this situation doesn't really work. when he says, "M-Fer, I want more iced tea." that's not his inner monologue, that's him projecting what he thinks white america thinks.

it's still not entirely appropriate, since o'reilly saying anything slightly controversial is just not a good idea given his popularity. but still, it's making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[trindaddy]

he's a dick in every since of the word, and i think he isn't meaning anything bad by saying this. i think he just chose the wrong words and context to put the whole situation in.

[IAPAI]

his education on black culture must be all derived from Michael Bay movies... this became very apparent to me while watching Transformers last night.

[The Revisionist]

Racist fuck confirmed, or man questioning his former "racist" thoughts confirmed?

[SubrosaSeductiv]

I hate this man. I wrote him a letter and he replied. He said he would air his retort. Never happened.

[richter915]

Oh, so apparently O'Reilly was talking about his mother when he made these comments.

[r.hall]

Bill O'Reilly is a prick.

[livefromDC]

Look, I'm no huge fan of O'Reilly's, but them going after him for this is a bit of a stretch. If you listen to the interview it really doesn't sound racist. This is just the people that will go after him no matter what he says and doesn't really have any meat to it.

[captainhampton]

Look, I'm no huge fan of O'Reilly's, but them going after him for this is a bit of a stretch. If you listen to the interview it really doesn't sound racist. This is just the people that will go after him no matter what he says and doesn't really have any meat to it.

exactly, same thing with what they are trying to do to Rush now, completely ridiculous.

[birdman]

if Bill OReilly was a racist what was he doing in a soul food restraunt?

[r.hall]

Look, I'm no huge fan of O'Reilly's, but them going after him for this is a bit of a stretch. If you listen to the interview it really doesn't sound racist. This is just the people that will go after him no matter what he says and doesn't really have any meat to it.
Well he's already screwed up countless times, and acts like a huge twat on public television. That's probably not helping his reputation. :tongue:

[HashHolly]

O'Reilly racist? welcome to last week noobs

[x togepi x]

exactly, same thing with what they are trying to do to Rush now, completely ridiculous.

yeah, when you ignore things that people say that are really offensive, like telling a soldier who was injured by a suicide bomber that he's a suicide bomber, it's really easy to say that they don't say offensive things.

[captainhampton]

yeah, when you ignore things that people say that are really offensive, like telling a soldier who was injured by a suicide bomber that he's a suicide bomber, it's really easy to say that they don't say offensive things.

yeah what's your source for that? don't try to give me mediamatters or any of those bullshit smear sites.

[x togepi x]

what's the point in giving you a source? you'll just call it a "smear site".

I study recording. I can tell Rush or Bill's voice when I hear it, and the great thing about media matters is, they give you audio clips.

[captainhampton]

what's the point in giving you a source? you'll just call it a "smear site".

I study recording. I can tell Rush or Bill's voice when I hear it, and the great thing about media matters is, they give you audio clips.

hopefully they are the same exact clips from Rush's website, I think he has the audio on his site too. I don't know, I'll check both tomorrow.

[x togepi x]

Rush edited out the parts.

[captainhampton]

ok tell me about Jesse Macbeth, the soldier who Rush was referring to when he said "phony" soldier. tell me about Jesse's military background.

[x togepi x]

Rush was referring to Brian McCoug, who was injured in Iraq by a suicide bomber.

[captainhampton]

Rush was referring to Brian McCoug, who was injured in Iraq by a suicide bomber.

i'm talking about the phony soldier one from this past week. is the one you are referring to recent?

[x togepi x]

This was from this past week.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200710040013?f=h_top

[captainhampton]

This was from this past week.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200710040013?f=h_top

of course they left out the end of the transcript where he talks about who he was referring to as phony soldiers. does media matters have that part of the transcript on their site.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_100407/content/01125107.guest.html

[x togepi x]

i'm not going to argue with you about this anymore. Even fox news says that Rush compared McCough to a suicide bomber.

[captainhampton]

i'm not going to argue with you about this anymore. Even fox news says that Rush compared McCough to a suicide bomber.

then fox news was wrong.

[captainhampton]

and respond to my last point, does mediamatters have the part of Rush's transcript about Jesse Macbeth and the people who really are phony soldiers?

[x togepi x]

rush's argument is that he never said the words "sucide bomber". Granted, this is a fact. he just happened to describe a McCough in a way that described a suicide bomber without actually saying those words. If you're going to buy a cheap semantic argument, then you buy fucking stupid logic. it's common speech that when you talk about strapping (something) onto a person and then having them walk into a crowd of people, that you're comparing them to suicide bombers. if you want to ignore how most of the rest of the world speaks, fine.

like i said, i'm done arguing.

[captainhampton]

you continue to ignore the Jesse Macbeth statements and Rush's praise for Mr. McCough. bet you can't find that on the mediamatters site can you? that's because they don't include that part.

[Love As Arson]

Look, I'm no huge fan of O'Reilly's, but them going after him for this is a bit of a stretch. If you listen to the interview it really doesn't sound racist. This is just the people that will go after him no matter what he says and doesn't really have any meat to it.
The part I found particularly offensive was his statement that "blacks are now starting to think for themselves".

[x togepi x]

you continue to ignore the Jesse Macbeth statements and Rush's praise for Mr. McCough. bet you can't find that on the mediamatters site can you? that's because they don't include that part.


I'm not talking about MacBeth. (so it's not really ignoring since that's not the issue) Actually, Media Matters does include part of where Rush calls McCough a hero in their audio, so I had heard that. The fact he praised McCough doesn't negate that he metaphorically called him a suicide bomber.

Here's an analogy. Say I have a friend John and i'm talking to you about him.

If i say: "Like most Negros, John isn't as intelligent as I am. I mean, he has a hard time understanding a lot of the concepts I speak about "(an obviously racist statement), but then follow it up with "but you know what? He's the nicest guy in the world" (praise) are you going to claim that I didn't say something racist?

I think you would, and I think that your blind conservative ideological outlook is the difference here. You don't want to condemn Rush because he's conservative, even though nobody here is implying that he speaks for all conservatives. He's a loud mouthed idiot. Not all conservatives are like that, just a large minority.

I don't know if you're completely naive or what, but it's people commonly passive-aggressively attack people by insulting them while simultaneously complimenting them because they think they can always argue out of the insult by focusing the discussion around the compliment. I'm definitely not denying that he praised McCough. he called him a hero, but that doesn't negate the fact that right before he did that, he talked about strapping lies to him in the suicide bomber metaphor.

he also implied that McCough was so weaked-willed that he could be "used" by the liberal media, before going on to say "unless he really believes what he's saying". There's another insult. It's as if a vet can't make a statement against the war without being manipulated into doing so.

[captainhampton]

I'm not talking about MacBeth. (so it's not really ignoring since that's not the issue) Actually, Media Matters does include part of where Rush calls McCough a hero in their audio, so I had heard that. The fact he praised McCough doesn't negate that he metaphorically called him a suicide bomber.

Here's an analogy. Say I have a friend John and i'm talking to you about him.

If i say: "Like most Negros, John isn't as intelligent as I am. I mean, he has a hard time understanding a lot of the concepts I speak about "(an obviously racist statement), but then follow it up with "but you know what? He's the nicest guy in the world" (praise) are you going to claim that I didn't say something racist?

I think you would, and I think that your blind conservative ideological outlook is the difference here. You don't want to condemn Rush because he's conservative, even though nobody here is implying that he speaks for all conservatives. He's a loud mouthed idiot. Not all conservatives are like that, just a large minority.

I don't know if you're completely naive or what, but it's people commonly passive-aggressively attack people by insulting them while simultaneously complimenting them because they think they can always argue out of the insult by focusing the discussion around the compliment. I'm definitely not denying that he praised McCough. he called him a hero, but that doesn't negate the fact that right before he did that, he talked about strapping lies to him in the suicide bomber metaphor.

he also implied that McCough was so weaked-willed that he could be "used" by the liberal media, before going on to say "unless he really believes what he's saying". There's another insult. It's as if a vet can't make a statement against the war without being manipulated into doing so.

you can praise and criticize someone at the same time. he is praising him for his military service, but criticizes him for joining the left and their unfair attacks on Rush because of the way they took "phony soldiers" out of context. you still have no proof of any point where Rush criticized our troops. it's quite pathetic how just two weeks ago democrats didn't condemn calling our most important troop a traitor, but then decide to take something Rush said completely out of context. Macbeth is A PHONY SOLDIER, do you not get that? do you not see the hypocrisy of the democrats?

[x togepi x]

you can praise and criticize someone at the same time. he is praising him for his military service, but criticizes him for joining the left and their unfair attacks on Rush because of the way they took "phony soldiers" out of context. you still have no proof of any point where Rush criticized our troops. it's quite pathetic how just two weeks ago democrats didn't condemn calling our most important troop a traitor, but then decide to take something Rush said completely out of context. Macbeth is A PHONY SOLDIER, do you not get that? do you not see the hypocrisy of the democrats?

okay, well at least you admitted you were wrong about the suicide bomber quote, which is all i wanted to hear.

the democrats didn't condemn the Betray Us ad? That's funny, since most of them voted for the fucking amendment.

MacBeth is a phony soldier (which is why we're not talking about him). McCough and hell, even Jack Murtha are not.

I have proof. You're just going to spin your way out of it.

[captainhampton]

okay, well at least you admitted you were wrong about the suicide bomber quote, which is all i wanted to hear.

the democrats didn't condemn the Betray Us ad? That's funny, since most of them voted for the fucking amendment.

MacBeth is a phony soldier (which is why we're not talking about him). McCough and hell, even Jack Murtha are not.

I have proof. You're just going to spin your way out of it.

he was referring to Macbeth not McCough when he said phony soldier. and there was nothing wrong with his metaphor either. and it's the democrats like Reid and Kerry that voted not to condemn the ad that are leading this attack against Rush in the Senate.

[x togepi x]

he was referring to Macbeth not McCough when he said phony soldier. and there was nothing wrong with his metaphor either. and it's the democrats like Reid and Kerry that voted not to condemn the ad that are leading this attack against Rush in the Senate.

So, to apply your logic further, if a woman were raped, it's okay to make rape metaphors about her like if she totally beat me in a video game or something, it'd be okay for me to say "you totally raped me there."?