Next Civil War.

[mpw]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003/ap_on_re_us/secessionist_movement_1

stupid.

[aminorthreat55]

So basically, "We don't like America invading sovereign nations, so we're going to become a sovereign nation . . ."

Good luck with that. Let us know how that works out for you.

[bluecrunchy]

get out your muskets! let's do this!

[myantiyou]

Sale said the League of the South "has not done or said anything racist in its 14 years of existence,"

I'm not so sure.

[trindaddy]

yeah, like this would work... X-)

[Nowisnotthetime]

The south would run itself into the ground. The north would be richer but less powerful.

No offense intended, but have you ever even been to America? Neither would be better off. Agriculture is vital to the economy and most of those resources are in the South and Midwest. People in New York can't get rich if the economy is a wreck. This coming from a Philly person by the way.

[guitarist18241]

this is going to be awsome

[IAPAI]

No offense intended, but have you ever even been to America? Neither would be better off. Agriculture is vital to the economy and most of those resources are in the South and Midwest. People in New York can't get rich if the economy is a wreck. This coming from a Philly person by the way.

my guess is that the Canadian farming industry would boom.

[Shatter590]

man your own jackhammers!

man your battlestations!

we'll have you dead pretty soon!

[Shatter590]

Did the children really understand? the things you did to them.


..oh wait that's weird and out of context.

exactly. like the idea of secession lol

[Shatter590]

Lol. I study something you'd like today.

The ethinic make up of barbarian tribed based on the evidence of ancient cemetaries. Basically what actually defined the different groups (Vandals, Goths, Lombards) etc.. and whether they were really tribes at all.

send me where you found this info. i need something to read in my off time.

i wouldnt call them tribes per se, more like ethnic/national groups. the goths were huge, like the franks and huns.

[TxRepresent]

If you go down 3-4 threads this was already posted lol.

[WCC335]

Plenty times and you don't need agriculture because you can trade (see Britain) and with New York having wall street I don't think it would be a problem, of course even if there was a split, it's pretty obvious the new countries would maintain good relations and trade frequently and without tariffs.

If you have a marketyou can make "money". All Britain does is spend money on imported crap (and some worthwhile things), it gets taxed, government gets money and spends it on people so they can buy more crap. It's a self perpetuating thing.

Or at least is my limited understanding of economics.

oil+agriculture...not to mention multi-media conglomerates in places like Atlanta. The south would, fiscally speaking, be fine.

http://www.nemw.org/gsp.htm

[WCC335]

Do they not need the industrial north?

Plus a lot of the smart people who would run the companies, as in the think tanks and big business guys. Are they not from the north?

Maybe I'm just being prejudice.

I always thought the brains were in the north and the labour was in the south.

Industry doesn't = labor?

I think that the north and the south function best in cooperation, I'm just saying that the South would be fine economically. Plus, the south is known for having very wealthy business moguls. Also, manufacturing has spread over both the north and south. It used to be a distinguishing factor before, but it is less so now.

[Shatter590]

Do you want me to email you my course guide so you've just got our reading list?

please do. i might be able to work some of this into my thesis. the lit review is scary right now, and very broad.

[Shatter590]

There you go

http://www.mediafire.com/?8sxrxhge9oc

sweet.

no christian keller...kinda weird.

[Shatter590]

We seems to favour european writers over Americans. Where as I guess you're the opposite.

perhaps. but when it comes to vikings and their contemporaries, most of the scholars are from Germany, Scandinavia and the like. Keller i think is from iceland, not sure, but he does a lot of analysis on grave goods in viking sites. The best america has to offer is Tom McGovern.

[WCC335]

I meant in terms of farming, oil but yes it does.



My thinking is that most of the policy making and running of the federal government is run in the north. If the south were to succeed they wouldn't just immediatly know how to run a huge nation is a big crisis, it's not an easy thing to do. Look at all new governments and they almost always mismanage in the early days leading to a lot of death and starvation. There's good reason why people elect experienced people for office.

Well, Washington D.C. is, essentially, between the north and south. most would consider it north...but it does border Virginia. And with a representative form of government, there are just as many southern politicians as north. As far as executives go, many, many presidents have been southern (for better or worse (Bush being "worse")). But former presidential candidate and vice president Al Gore, and president Clinton, most recently, are southern.

[Shatter590]

It isn't politicians who run a country though. It's the civil service and the home office. I don't know what you call them in the US.

we call them "bureaucrats" here.

[Shatter590]

I see, well yeah they are mad important.

lol

[Justin_stacy]

It isn't likely anytime soon, but eventually the United States will collapse into lightly connect nation states. The uncontrolled influx of immigrants will further effect national unity, the political divides which are already prevalent will grow greater, and the regional separation will become more noticeable. Washington, as it becomes more bloated, more uncontrolled, more repressive and less responsive to the nations actual needs, will work to its own downfall.

I just doubt, as the thread title indicates, that this will lead in anyway to a “civil war.” I think there will be a mutual wants for the dissolve. With some states, with certain regional connections, forming loose Confederation-like bonds, and some of the larger states going it alone, Texas or California.

[killyourtv]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071003/ap_on_re_us/secessionist_movement_1

stupid.


Haha! This made my day so much better.

[trindaddy]

No offense intended, but have you ever even been to America? Neither would be better off. Agriculture is vital to the economy and most of those resources are in the South and Midwest. People in New York can't get rich if the economy is a wreck. This coming from a Philly person by the way.

i think the north could sustain much better. the midwest really isn't considered "south". and it's not like trade wouldn't be involved between the two.

[Justin_stacy]

If there is a split I don't see why it has to happen into the exact states as they stand. I think a two or three way split is more likely even if it is still imo very unlikely in the first place, or at least in the near future.

Texas and California will probably break off with their current boundries in place. As both are economically viable countries in their own right.

The other states will probably form loose confederations based on regional association, but i still think elements of the state governments will retain power as the want of localized governing will probably be what lead to the nations down fall.


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But its tough to say what will actually case the nation to fall, and the impact it in turn will have.

[theESCO]

I don't know much about the southern movement, but I do fully support the Vermont Second Republic.

http://www.vermontrepublic.org/