In Defense of the Genre: In Defense of the Lyrics

[Illuminate]

Is A Real Boy vs. In Defense of the Genre

[identitycrisis2]

Cake > Pie

[HangsLikeHeaven]

They're both good, but IARB obviously takes it.

[AEast317]

Everything about Is A Real Boy is better than In Defence. Everything.


well what your opinions on In Defense??

[AEast317]

It's good but not great.

Somewhere between a 3 and 3.5 out of 5.

i think you missed the point of my post

[AEast317]

My opinion is that Americans are bastardising our beautiful language is what!!

:-D

[Saves The Night]

I really dont like in defense of the genre...other than like a handful of tracks.

[KidRobot]

I really dont like in defense of the genre...other than like a handful of tracks.


I'm guessing "Sorry, Dudes, My Bad"?

[heyzombiehitler]

In defense already grew on me more than iarb. sorry.

[Saves The Night]

I'm guessing "Sorry, Dudes, My Bad"?
About Falling
Sorry, Dudes. My Bad
Baby girl, I'm a blur
People Like You Are Why People Like Me Exist
Shiksa
Skinny, Mean Man
That is Why
Plea


I mean it will probably grow, but as for now thats all that really strikes me.

[Dr. Acula]

Havent heard the new album yet so I cant say but Tuesday cant come fast enough.

[christopher™]

i have only listened to it once since i downloaded it

[TakeLotsWithAlcohol]

IARB is much better, but this CD isn't bad at all.

[aaronwrigley]

It hasn't hit me as hard as iarb, im hopin it will grow. But from what i've heard of Under the Boards its gonna rock everybodys socks off! So its not all bad.

[Illuminate]

"forgive me god, jesus, moses, allah

[3mpire]

So how much filler has it got?

[SubrosaSeductiv]

My opinion is that Americans are bastardising our beautiful language is what!!

Our language is guttural.

[IAPAI]

i think over time I'll like it much more. right now, it's hard for tracks to stay memorable because there's so many of them

[Cato11087]

A lot.

Thank you for your insightful input. :rolleyes:


But to answer the question about the album having filler; it really depends. As a cohesive album, it's fucking great, hard to listen to both discs in one sitting though. But as separate songs some definitely stand out more than others, there's a lot of diversity on this album, no song sounds like another for the most part.

[captainamazing4]

it really isnt fair to say which one is better yet. im sorry, but that is the honest truth.

[Cato11087]

Simple question, simple answer.

I've posted my thoughts on this album at great length across various threads, so you can't really call me out on that one.

Wasn't really calling you out, I would've been more blunt about it if I was and meant it. I was more or less just being sarcastic.

[hairsprayqueen]

havent got it yet...

[ammar]

I don't really think there is really any much filler. I doubt SA would even do that.
Anyway, I love this album, its AMAZING. I love every song, they're all pretty different from eachother. It's just such a well rounded album.

[steveo1022]

so far i have decided that the major difference that i like is the instrumentation, yet it also is what i dont like about it.

what made iarb so unique is that max did all the instruments, excluding drums. this made the music very intertwined and veryyy planned out. when listening the instruments almost act as one. the guitar sounds then the bass sound a rival riff. as neat as it sounds, it leaves something to be desired for good old fashioned jamming.

on the contrary the new album seems to be overall more focused on individual instruments rather than all forming one cohesive song. the playing is much better and more complicated. thats the biggest difference.

that and that max changed alot. seems to have cooled down with the rebeliousness. its kinda annoying how almost all the song are him whining about some chick.

OVERALL: the two albums take a very different stance at music, iarb is simple but really planned out, idotg is more focused on rocking out. both are good, but too different to compare musically. however i do enjoy the unique sound of IARB by far. much more original

[ammar]

so far i have decided that the major difference that i like is the instrumentation, yet it also is what i dont like about it.

what made iarb so unique is that max did all the instruments, excluding drums. this made the music very intertwined and veryyy planned out. when listening the instruments almost act as one. the guitar sounds then the bass sound a rival riff. as neat as it sounds, it leaves something to be desired for good old fashioned jamming.

on the contrary the new album seems to be overall more focused on individual instruments rather than all forming one cohesive song. the playing is much better and more complicated. thats the biggest difference.

that and that max changed alot. seems to have cooled down with the rebeliousness. its kinda annoying how almost all the song are him whining about some chick.

OVERALL: the two albums take a very different stance at music, iarb is simple but really planned out, idotg is more focused on rocking out. both are good, but too different to compare musically. however i do enjoy the unique sound of IARB by far. much more original
Woah, VERY good post. I whole heartedly agree with this.

[steveo1022]

Woah, VERY good post. I whole heartedly agree with this.

thanks man. the new stuff kind of reminds me more of the older stuff. some songs like baseball, some even older. but its all very different.

[Branevember31]

i think over time I'll like it much more. right now, it's hard for tracks to stay memorable because there's so many of them


exactly how i feel...the only memorable one is with the Notorious B.I.G. breakdown

[Radb707]

I think it's frivolously unfair to compare an album you've had for like 3 or 4 days to an album that you've been listening to for 3 years and have icononized in your mind. This is completely what Anthony Green's been talking about.

Just watch out before Jason Tate storms in to tear everyone a new one.

I thought this thread was going to be about lyrics.

Anyways, I think the album varies so much musically throughout the discs that of course you're going to have songs you don't like or are disappointed by. We always think that way about shit that simply SOUNDS different than what we're used to listening to. I remember the first time I heard IARB I thought the same thing because it was so different. I ended up liking it BECAUSE it was so different. Is there filler on this? As a whole, no. The only sings I ever skip are the ones on Disc 1, if only because they're so different from what I'm used to listening to or Max sounds too whiny for my tastes. But the point IS that they're songs about a chick. He's said in interviews it's an extension of IARB and less about rebellion and criticizing the genre and more about dealing with mental issues, anguish, and defending his own genre from naysayers and close-minded people not accepting of different music. It's a post-Molly Connolly cd.

[rogwave]

Yeah, the lyrics are definitely weaker on this one. Too many songs about some girl. The acoustic
ones are especially painful to listen to, and not in a good way.

However, I think there's a solid album in here. Mostly the first disc, "About Falling" and "The Truth Is..." I actually think "No Soul" does what Fall Out Boy was trying to do, make dance music work.

But overall, IARB kills this.

[againtocarthage]

Personally... i didnt like the new album much.

And I have been a fan since the baseball ep... say anything... well max more so made music that had some pop and candy in to it. this album lacks that pop and candy that max used to infuse in to his music.

its so much more different, like a separate band.

[elliboo]

both album are gret, IN DEFENSE is a great record, give it another listen.

[insidexout22]

i think over time I'll like it much more. right now, it's hard for tracks to stay memorable because there's so many of them

totally agree. i keep having to look the lyrics up for each song a billion times in the booklet.

[Carlo Marx]

the new one is good but it can't touch Is a Real Boy.

[paintingshade]

I dunno why this board is obsessed with this mediocre band. could've picked a neutral background

[operator]

I HATE the new CD

[operator]

I HATE the new CD

[operator]

I think it's frivolously unfair to compare an album you've had for like 3 or 4 days to an album that you've been listening to for 3 years and have icononized in your mind. This is completely what Anthony Green's been talking about.

Just watch out before Jason Tate storms in to tear everyone a new one.

I thought this thread was going to be about lyrics.

Anyways, I think the album varies so much musically throughout the discs that of course you're going to have songs you don't like or are disappointed by. We always think that way about shit that simply SOUNDS different than what we're used to listening to. I remember the first time I heard IARB I thought the same thing because it was so different. I ended up liking it BECAUSE it was so different. Is there filler on this? As a whole, no. The only sings I ever skip are the ones on Disc 1, if only because they're so different from what I'm used to listening to or Max sounds too whiny for my tastes. But the point IS that they're songs about a chick. He's said in interviews it's an extension of IARB and less about rebellion and criticizing the genre and more about dealing with mental issues, anguish, and defending his own genre from naysayers and close-minded people not accepting of different music. It's a post-Molly Connolly cd.


You are the definition of a fool

[JackSlapFear]

so far i have decided that the major difference that i like is the instrumentation, yet it also is what i dont like about it.

what made iarb so unique is that max did all the instruments, excluding drums. this made the music very intertwined and veryyy planned out. when listening the instruments almost act as one. the guitar sounds then the bass sound a rival riff. as neat as it sounds, it leaves something to be desired for good old fashioned jamming.

on the contrary the new album seems to be overall more focused on individual instruments rather than all forming one cohesive song. the playing is much better and more complicated. thats the biggest difference.

that and that max changed alot. seems to have cooled down with the rebeliousness. its kinda annoying how almost all the song are him whining about some chick.

OVERALL: the two albums take a very different stance at music, iarb is simple but really planned out, idotg is more focused on rocking out. both are good, but too different to compare musically. however i do enjoy the unique sound of IARB by far. much more original

well said. i agree

[PunkDrums182]

I think that In Defense.. is an amazing album. I wasn't too into Say Anything until this album came out. I love the lyrics and there's probably only one song I don't really like on the whole double disc.

[Twikki]

IARB isn't as experimental as IDOTG, but i think that lyrics are good

maybe cos they relate?

i'm not really grasping the full concept of the album though, just certain songs

so far i believe the story is that the skinny mean man is abusing max's love interest, then skipping a few songs this is fucking ecstacy is about the recording of IARB and how he believes that everythings watching him, he is sent to a mental institute and meets someone there, with thick rimmed glasses, they go out and thats basically what baby girl, shiska and reatarded in love are about. sorry dudes my bad is about how due to his bipolar disorder they missed a tour or something

the start of disc 2 i think they break up. i think they did something bad thus 'the truth is you should lie with me', about falling is definately about max being lonely then max hooks up with a fan of say anything in spores and talks about sex with the person she does something bad in 'have at thee' and max ends up getting drunk and waking up hungover. 'goodbye...' is obviously about love 'i used to have a heart' is about breaking up or something and 'plea' is optimistic

[paulanwonderlan]

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[newhickory]

Everything about Is A Real Boy is better than In Defence. Everything.

everything? im sorry your wrong.

[TAYF152]

Im sorry that I wrecked that tour for us, the drugs left me weak and out on the bus!

[theguy77]

though i like most others prefer IARB to IDOTG, and feel that IARB is much more important and influential of an album at least to me, the two shouldnt be compared. it's a waste of a great album not to like it simply because its not IARB. you should listen to the new one as if it's a totally different album by a totally different band and its easier to appreciate it as such.

that said, i can understand where the new album is not for everyone.

[theguy77]

also consider that max and tim o'heir worked on is a real boy for like a fucking year before releasing it. they spent a lot of time perfecting that shit and adding loads of production.

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i think this.

[Chris Fallon]

Could we simply stop with all the Say Anything threads? There is an official one, and that is frankly all we need.

[absolutecrunk]

Is there something wrong with the search function? Every time I tried to search this forum for anything (and I tried with increasing obviousness: Say Anything, Bob Dylan, chat, music) It just said no results. It might just be my computer but I though it would've been funny that all this time we've been telling noobs to use the search function and the search function sucks!

[x togepi x]

weird, the search function works for me.

[wewascontenders]

Apparently the one in the individual forums are fucked, so you have to use the one at the top of the page. That's what I was told last night atleast.

[alice+interiors]

Is there something wrong with the search function? Every time I tried to search this forum for anything (and I tried with increasing obviousness: Say Anything, Bob Dylan, chat, music) It just said no results. It might just be my computer but I though it would've been funny that all this time we've been telling noobs to use the search function and the search function sucks!
same for me, but there is a list of all Official Threads at the top of the Music Forum.

[Chris Fallon]

Is there something wrong with the search function? Every time I tried to search this forum for anything (and I tried with increasing obviousness: Say Anything, Bob Dylan, chat, music) It just said no results. It might just be my computer but I though it would've been funny that all this time we've been telling noobs to use the search function and the search function sucks!
It's been working for some, not for others. Some days it's firing on all cylinders, other days it's fucked for everyone.

Ever since we switched servers, it's been happening. I continue to tell people to use search function because it's not malfunctioning for everybody.

[handlikesecret]

i love both, but i can't deny that IARB is better.

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[HangsLikeHeaven]

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