View Full Version : is drive-thru being shady?!
PhillyPunk
10/16/03, 12:54 PM
what with the breakup of the movielife, and now this bullshit story about someone breaking into their office to delay the DVD - how many people think drive thru is just full of shit and have now gotten too big for their own good.
oc_dodo
10/16/03, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by PhillyPunk
what with the breakup of the movielife, and now this bullshit story about someone breaking into their office to delay the DVD - how many people think drive thru is just full of shit and have now gotten too big for their own good.
you are stupid.....drive-thru has one of the best line ups around, and yes the movielife did break up but it doesn't have anything to do with drive-thru as a whole....and as far as them getting broken into what does that have to do with them getting " too big" they are a record lable why would they not want to get big? it is fucked up that someone broke in, it's not like they wanted it to happen.....i'm done with you.
PhillyPunk
10/16/03, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by oc_dodo
you are stupid.....drive-thru has one of the best line ups around, and yes the movielife did break up but it doesn't have anything to do with drive-thru as a whole....and as far as them getting broken into what does that have to do with them getting " too big" they are a record lable why would they not want to get big? it is fucked up that someone broke in, it's not like they wanted it to happen.....i'm done with you.
i am stupid? watch how many people agree with me
oc_dodo
10/16/03, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by PhillyPunk
i am stupid? watch how many people agree with me
i really don't care how many people agree with you....that was MY opinion....not anyone elses. i love drive-thru and don't care what anyone else thinks about that either.
punkisdead
10/16/03, 01:30 PM
whyd the movielife breakup?
Jim Morgan
10/16/03, 01:31 PM
i think drive thru isnt shady, and that your opinion is wrong
how bout them apples?
thats my opinion
still_life
10/16/03, 02:25 PM
Drive-Thru sucks.
piebaldkid42
10/16/03, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by still_life
Drive-Thru sucks.
o thank you for that in-depth answer
i personally think drive thru has an awesome line up especially with the addition of hidden in plain view, and i doubt theyre lying about their footage being stolen
The Nephilim2
10/16/03, 02:58 PM
Drive-Thru is quite possibly the worst label in music... next to that retarted label that signed Mariah Carey for 20 billion dollars. I'm sure they are shady as hell... they have to be to make money off of such terrible music. Good for them.
Shatter590
10/16/03, 03:34 PM
drive thru has been going downhill lately, since losing some of their best acts, but i dunno about calling them shady. They've made questionable acquisitions, and seem to promote some of their lesser bands bands while ignoring the best ones (like the Rx Bandits), but I would never call them shady, or the worst label around.
OctoberNights
10/16/03, 03:39 PM
i dunno theres just somethin about drive thru that makes me not like them
Poor Excuse
10/16/03, 03:41 PM
drive thru does NOT have the best line-up. they have 1 good band left and thats early november.. everyone else on their label is teeny bopper shit. (i miss old TSL)
every band besides TEN is mediocre at best.
oh yea and the owners of drive thru are greedy selfish bitches who care more about $$ than the love of music.
13th hour
10/16/03, 04:28 PM
It seems that Drive Thru started as a label with the best of intentions, but lately it does seem like they are going downhill. There is very little doubt in my mind that Drive thru, when that deal was made with MCA directly contributed to the Movielife breaking up. I like alot of Drive Thru bands, but as a label, Im up in the air as to what I think of them.
Zack Attack
10/16/03, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
drive thru does NOT have the best line-up. they have 1 good band left and thats early november.. everyone else on their label is teeny bopper shit. (i miss old TSL)
every band besides TEN is mediocre at best.
oh yea and the owners of drive thru are greedy selfish bitches who care more about $$ than the love of music.
haven't tsl had one album
Poor Excuse
10/16/03, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by Zack Attack
haven't tsl had one album
im talkin about their EP.. it has one of the greatest songs ever.. Threes a charm
the full length cd was way over produced and way too poppy.
UnbanPapathomas
10/16/03, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
drive thru does NOT have the best line-up. they have 1 good band left and thats early november.. everyone else on their label is teeny bopper shit. (i miss old TSL) Have you ever listened to the Rx Bandits or Steel Train?
MaybeOneDay
10/16/03, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
im talkin about their EP.. it has one of the greatest songs ever.. Threes a charm
the full length cd was way over produced and way too poppy.
hey listen you little cocksucker, the ep sounds exactly like the full length does. the style of music is no different, and they didnt change in that time at all. if you like the ep, you like the full length. stop trying to sound like an elitist fuck you little douche bag. you may not like drive thru, and thats just fan-fucking-tastic, but don't act like your opinion is the only opinion. drive thru has lots of good bands, TEN being one of the worst in my opinion. (and i still like them alot). so now, proceed by shutting the fuck up.
Poor Excuse
10/16/03, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by MaybeOneDay
hey listen you little cocksucker, the ep sounds exactly like the full length does. the style of music is no different, and they didnt change in that time at all. if you like the ep, you like the full length. stop trying to sound like an elitist fuck you little douche bag. you may not like drive thru, and thats just fan-fucking-tastic, but don't act like your opinion is the only opinion. drive thru has lots of good bands, TEN being one of the worst in my opinion. (and i still like them alot). so now, proceed by shutting the fuck up.
hey canuck.. FUCK YOU.
the full length sounds like simple plan you dumb bitch. The EP is NOTHING like the full length.
and how am i sounding elitest?.. i admit to liking starting line, but damn the full length sucks and yes i MISS THE EP.
get a fuckin clue before you try and talk shit CANUCK.
MaybeOneDay
10/16/03, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
hey canuck.. FUCK YOU.
the full length sounds like simple plan you dumb bitch. The EP is NOTHING like the full length.
and how am i sounding elitest?.. i admit to liking starting line, but damn the full length sucks and yes i MISS THE EP.
get a fuckin clue before you try and talk shit CANUCK.
haha, wow, you must be the most intelligent person i have ever come across.
im thinking about heading out to my igloo in a few minutes, maybe catch a few seals on the way to feed my family. after that ill proceed to doing some ice fishing and fixing up my dog sled. care to join me ?
on a more serious not, are you making fun of me because im canadian ? hmm, thats a new one. its not like ive ever had that before. have you by any chance heard of the show 'Talking To Americans' ? No? Alright. well basically, canadians go around, feed americans some of the biggest most unbelievable bullshit ever..and those stupid americans believe it. I've got nothing against americans, only ones who act like you. You're a fucking little twat who deserves to be thrown in front of a moving train. Not a single person here likes you, and they all most likely want to gouge out your eyes with fish hooks. Fuck off and die you ******.
piebaldkid42
10/16/03, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by MaybeOneDay
Not a single person here likes you, and they all most likely want to gouge out your eyes with fish hooks.
i know i sure do
Poor Excuse
10/16/03, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by MaybeOneDay
haha, wow, you must be the most intelligent person i have ever come across.
im thinking about heading out to my igloo in a few minutes, maybe catch a few seals on the way to feed my family. after that ill proceed to doing some ice fishing and fixing up my dog sled. care to join me ?
on a more serious not, are you making fun of me because im canadian ? hmm, thats a new one. its not like ive ever had that before. have you by any chance heard of the show 'Talking To Americans' ? No? Alright. well basically, canadians go around, feed americans some of the biggest most unbelievable bullshit ever..and those stupid americans believe it. I've got nothing against americans, only ones who act like you. You're a fucking little twat who deserves to be thrown in front of a moving train. Not a single person here likes you, and they all most likely want to gouge out your eyes with fish hooks. Fuck off and die you ******.
blah blah blah.. did that have anything to do with the subject at hand?.. no. you get off topic because my argument owned yours..nice job poser.
piebaldkid42
10/16/03, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
blah blah blah.. did that have anything to do with the subject at hand?.. no. you get off topic because my argument owned yours..nice job poser.
please please please! im on my knees begging you! please just... go away. thats all i ask! just head for the hills and... go! you dont need to say good bye or anything, just leave. thats all i ask. you dont have to worry about anyone missing you or anything, thats okay we'll suck up all our sad emotions until your clearly gone over the horizon. now i bid you farewell Poor Excuse, god speed my boy, god speed:cry: no no dont look back just go :cry:
YearsGoneBy
10/16/03, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
drive thru does NOT have the best line-up. they have 1 good band left and thats early november.. everyone else on their label is teeny bopper shit. (i miss old TSL)
every band besides TEN is mediocre at best.
oh yea and the owners of drive thru are greedy selfish bitches who care more about $$ than the love of music.
Rx Bandits and Steel Train are more talented than TEN, and is till lie TEN but RxB and Steel Train are way above mediocre
kornintee
10/16/03, 06:18 PM
SCREW DRIVE THRU FOR NOT PROMOTING THE BANDITS!!! WOOOHOOOO BANDITS im done...
mikeduin620
10/16/03, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
drive thru does NOT have the best line-up. they have 1 good band left and thats early november.. everyone else on their label is teeny bopper shit. (i miss old TSL)
What a fucking idiot. How are Finch and RX Bandits teeny bopper shit?
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
hey canuck.. FUCK YOU.
the full length sounds like simple plan you dumb bitch. The EP is NOTHING like the full length.
and how am i sounding elitest?.. i admit to liking starting line, but damn the full length sucks and yes i MISS THE EP.
get a fuckin clue before you try and talk shit CANUCK.
You are so stupid. Seriously. Rarely do you read such stupid posts. Not only does the EP sound like the full length....it has like three of the same fucking songs, you ignorant dipshit. Looks like he's the one that has a fucking clue to me. Moron.
unsung_zero02
10/16/03, 07:11 PM
I'm Slim Shady, yes, I'm the real Shady all you other Slim Shadys
are just imitating so wont the real Slim Shady please stand up, please stand up, please stand up....
sorry..couldnt help it :D
13th hour
10/16/03, 07:25 PM
Maybeoneday, I thought you were leaving? Couldnt bring yourself to tear away from us huh? Heh, anyway its good that youre still around. Now hand me a fish hook, I have some eye gouging to do. Poor Excuse, that means you buddy.
Poor Excuse
10/16/03, 08:37 PM
finch are good..i just forgot about them..
but honestly how can you say the EP is exactly like that overproduced piece of shit full length (fuck you trombino)..yea it has 3 of the same songs big fuckin deal.. every other song is a piece of shit. the ep is faster has way more edge..the full length is just slow and POPPY AS FUCK..
and im not hating im just stating what i feel.. so dont get all pissy
fafnerboy
10/16/03, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
finch are good..i just forgot about them..
but honestly how can you say the EP is exactly like that overproduced piece of shit full length (fuck you trombino)..yea it has 3 of the same songs big fuckin deal.. every other song is a piece of shit. the ep is faster has way more edge..the full length is just slow and POPPY AS FUCK..
and im not hating im just stating what i feel.. so dont get all pissy
You're an idiot. The only reason you're saying all this is because you get a boner from telling people that you were a TSL fan right from the start, and you hope to god that they just might be impressed. Also, how can you say that the EP was faster than the full length? Both Leaving and Saddest Girl Story were at a faster tempo on the full length. Three's A Charm wasn't exactly a fast song either.
You say that you aren't hating, yet you refer to their CD as an "overproduced piece of shit full length."
If the EP is such a treasure to you, maybe you could be an actual fan of the band and not tear down their full length, because you seem to be the only person doing so.
Poor Excuse
10/17/03, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by fafnerboy
If the EP is such a treasure to you, maybe you could be an actual fan of the band and not tear down their full length, because you seem to be the only person doing so.
tate did it too so obviously i am not the only person
MaybeOneDay
10/17/03, 04:41 AM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
tate did it too so obviously i am not the only person
don't you get it ?
SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU FUCKING MORON!
Jim Morgan
10/17/03, 04:48 AM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
finch are good..i just forgot about them..
but honestly how can you say the EP is exactly like that overproduced piece of shit full length (fuck you trombino)..yea it has 3 of the same songs big fuckin deal.. every other song is a piece of shit. the ep is faster has way more edge..the full length is just slow and POPPY AS FUCK..
and im not hating im just stating what i feel.. so dont get all pissy
cmon rock sar, pick up some instrument and start a band.
lets hear it.
wheres the fish hooks? oh and theres my avatar.
lose your boner now biyoch, cause my avatar has been here longer than you have.
Poor Excuse
10/17/03, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by MaybeOneDay
don't you get it ?
SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU FUCKING MORON!
why should i shut the fuck up.. all i did was post an opinion. youre the one getting all bent out of shape and defensive FOR FUCKING DRIVE THRU RECORDS.
i didnt mean to put down your favorite record company.
maybe you should have a drive thru avatar because you obviously have only been listening to coheed since this new album came out.
and im a moron?..HAHAHAH
this coming from a guy who said good charlotte and simple plan didnt sell out.
MaybeOneDay
10/17/03, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
why should i shut the fuck up.. all i did was post an opinion. youre the one getting all bent out of shape and defensive FOR FUCKING DRIVE THRU RECORDS.
i didnt mean to put down your favorite record company.
maybe you should have a drive thru avatar because you obviously have only been listening to coheed since this new album came out.
and im a moron?..HAHAHAH
this coming from a guy who said good charlotte and simple plan didnt sell out.
Selling out- changing your music in order to obtain a larger fan base.
Good Charlotte- 2 albums. Both sound exactly the same. They were poppy since the beginning. Haven't changed in the slightest.
Simple Plan- 1 album, poppy as shit. good for them. How could they change, when they had nothing to change from ? (excluding reset, the old band).
I don't see many musical changes going on there, do you ?
Yes, I never even listened to the first Coheed album. I bought it, kept it in the plastic and never even gave it a listen. And then I waited till the second one came out before I got a Coheed avatar. Makes sense, doesn't it ?
My god you're an idiot. I never thought I would encounter a university student as stupid as yourself. It's just, amazing.
atownplaya
10/17/03, 02:51 PM
in my opinion the real problem with drive thru is that they've bred such a generic (not to say i don't enjoy it) brand of pop-punk that the bands who stray from that mold (Steel Train, Rx Bandits) get criticized for playing a different style... not cool.
piebaldkid42
10/17/03, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by Poor Excuse
why should i shut the fuck up.. all i did was post an opinion. youre the one getting all bent out of shape and defensive FOR FUCKING DRIVE THRU RECORDS.
i didnt mean to put down your favorite record company.
maybe you should have a drive thru avatar because you obviously have only been listening to coheed since this new album came out.
and im a moron?..HAHAHAH
this coming from a guy who said good charlotte and simple plan didnt sell out.
we dont want you to shut the fuck up. no you have it all wrong.
we want you to GO AWAY
alllifeissorrow
10/17/03, 11:45 PM
TSL made a good cd. Threes a charm is a good song.
"Alone I'll stand as they all dance.
I've tangoed one too many times
the floor is just not for me."
And you guys talk about poppy. Is Senses Fail poppy. I heard one of there new songs of there LP thats due out in Feb. Not poppy. Maybe poopy. Not poppy.
This is all coming from the argument that DTR was lieing about being broken into. Who cares really if they were or not. Not like they are going to call you personaly and tell you the truth.
The reall problem is that i miss Midtown. "Living Well is the Best Revenge" was a fucking awesome cd. Where's there new shit at? Who knows. Thats why i'm angry.
alllifeissorrow
10/17/03, 11:46 PM
I would also like to say that i can't spell
Alkaline_3rio
10/18/03, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by oc_dodo
i really don't care how many people agree with you....that was MY opinion....not anyone elses. i love drive-thru and don't care what anyone else thinks about that either.
i agree with you
Alkaline_3rio
10/18/03, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by punkisdead
whyd the movielife breakup?
their own personal reasons
worldstheory
10/21/03, 03:37 PM
what with the breakup of the movielife, and now this bullshit story about someone breaking into their office to delay the DVD - how many people think drive thru is just full of shit and have now gotten too big for their own good.
How many Drive-Thru releases have been delayed at some point? LOTS
How many excuses has Drive-Thru made for these delays? NONE
Why would they start now?
As for the Movielife, my personal hypothesis is that they broke up because Geffen Records was trying to advertise them and make them all mainstream. Meanwhile, they want to stay underground. After all, Geffen HAS been advertising all of the non-Geffen DTR bands, something MCA never did.
i am stupid? watch how many people agree with me
I'm watching.
Drive-Thru sucks.That's fine because that's your opinion. Thinking Drive-Thru sucks is ok. Thinking Drive-Thru forced The Movielife to break up or lied about a breakin is not ok, cause it's just stupid.
they have to be to make money off of such terrible music.They do NOT have to be shady... know why? It's cause of all the people like ME who buy that "terrible music". There are lots of us.
oh yea and the owners of drive thru are greedy selfish bitches who care more about $$ than the love of music.Richard and Stefanie Reines are people who have struggled and worked hard to get where they are. They have made it BECAUSE of their love for the music. If all they really cared about was music, they'd be signing shitty rap acts.
There is very little doubt in my mind that Drive thru, when that deal was made with MCA directly contributed to the Movielife breaking up.Yeah, if you read my above hypothesis, it did probably have something to do with it, because the fall of MCA led to Geffen, and now Geffen's advertising all of the Drive-Thru bands. But really, that's out of Drive-Thru's control. You can't blame THEM for it.
The EP is NOTHING like the full length.That's a load of crap. If you burned the EP and the album onto one CD, no one would be able to tell where one ended and the other began.
i admit to liking starting line, but damn the full length sucks and yes i MISS THE EP.What is there to miss? If you miss it, go listen to it. Or did Drive-Thru break into your house and smash your copy?
have you by any chance heard of the show 'Talking To Americans' ? No? Alright. well basically, canadians go around, feed americans some of the biggest most unbelievable bullshit ever..and those stupid americans believe it.It's great! I saw this one where they showed an American a picture of the Canadian PM, and they're like "This man has been convicted of murder, but the Canadian government refuses to sentence him. What do you think?" And the Americans are like "Oh, well I think that's horrible. He needs to die for the crimes he's done!" Makes me ashamed to be an American, but it's a pleasant kind of shame.
....it has like three of the same fucking songs, you ignorant dipshit.Actually it has two, but your point is still a good one.
finch are good..i just forgot about them.. Dude Finch is poppy. Ignore their heavy instruments. Ignore their "oh-so-hardcore" screams. Listen to their lyrics: "Once again your eyes make it hard to say goodbye" or "I want you to know that I miss you, I miss you so." That's pop. Don't get me wrong! I'm not bashing pop. I LOVE pop. That's why I got into this kind of music in the first place.
the ep is faster has way more edge..the full length is just slow and POPPY AS FUCK..Edge?? Hahahahaha *TEAR* Listen to these lyrics: "Getting over three leaf clover that I thought was four it's just the same as before. Forget me girl, I'm still recovering from her. It hurts so. I'm sorry girl. I'm in no shape to love. It's not you. It's her." Don't TELL me that's not poppy! Again, let me remind you I have nothing against pop, I'm only making a point.
tate did it too so obviously i am not the only personOh well if Tate agrees with you, then that's different.
this coming from a guy who said good charlotte and simple plan didnt sell out.Oh, well as long as you think that Good Charlotte and Simple Plan sold out, I guess that proves how punk you are, and we can all reverently back off.
in my opinion the real problem with drive thru is that they've bred such a generic (not to say i don't enjoy it) brand of pop-punk that the bands who stray from that mold (Steel Train, Rx Bandits) get criticized for playing a different style... not cool.I don't get it when people say that Drive-Thru bands are all the same. Sure they all fit pretty snugly in the "pop-punk" style, but within that there is some diversity.
Take New Found Glory, The Starting Line, Home Grown, Allister. They're what I tend to think of as the basic "Pop-punk" bands. But even then, you have The Starting Line with very poetic and serious lyrics with lots of crunchy guitar sound effects in the background. Home Grown has this really distinct guitar sound that I don't quite know how to describe. It's especially noticeable during guitar solos. It almost makes me think western or something. Their lyrics tend to be serious, but somewhat bitter. Then Allister has lyrics that vary between sincere and silly, and that FAST drumming is really unique. NFG is NFG, no explanation neccessary.
Then you have bands like The Early November, Something Corporate, Finch, Senses Fail. These bands are more bittersweet and melancholy. They tend to be poetic and reminiscent. Some might call them "emo", but obviously that's wrong. Something Corporate tends to have a few poppier moments than the others in this group, but for the most part fit nicely. Finch is obviously different because of their intense instrumentalization and screaming. Some people might snicker that I'm putting Senses Fail with "bittersweet" or "poetic" bands, but I think they belong.
The Movielife was kind of pop-punk at heart, but with really intense instruments.
Rx Bandits are obviously very unique, as is Steel Train.
So even within these trends that are blatant enough for a non-expert like ME to pick up on, there is more diversity from band to band.
I know a bunch of you are probably about to flame me for "labelling", but please save your energy. I'm just trying to pick up on trends within Drive-Thru for the sake of telling whether or not all of the bands are really "all the same".
The Nephilim2
10/21/03, 04:56 PM
Drive-Thru is shit. End of Discussion.
Fish lock this please
worldstheory
10/21/03, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by The Nephilim2
Fish lock this please Oh by all means. Thank you for settling it for us. Now I know that I was wrong.
The Nephilim2
10/21/03, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by worldstheory
Oh by all means. Thank you for settling it for us. Now I know that I was wrong.
I'm glad you've accepted that.
MaybeOneDay
10/22/03, 04:46 AM
Neph for gods sake, shut the fuck up already.
That guy just made more good points in one post than you've ever done on this entire forum.
YOU'RE A FUCKING TWAT.end of discussion.
MumblingMiles
10/23/03, 03:32 PM
worldstheory, thanks for taking your time and making a long post like that. You made a lot of good points.
takingbackSVR
10/23/03, 05:19 PM
Here's my two cents..
I don't exactly know if this is right but... uh... wasn't The Starting Line formly known as Sunday Drive... They were WE THE PEOPLE RECORDS? You guys are talking about old Starting Line... and the old TSL is fucking Sunday Drive... unless you were an actually fan, I think you'd know that...
If I'm wrong, shoot me, but I think that is pretty accurate..
Also... Someone mentioned Simple Plan's release on their major as their first album. I think I'm right when I say that Simple Plan was known as Reset before signing, and put out an album prior to that.
If I don't have my facts straight then this whole post is shit.. No worries..
theused999182
10/23/03, 07:29 PM
okay this was like 3 pages back but ive just read it........now why the fuck do people use insults like poser??? that just really pisses me off. you can suddenly decide that someone is a poser from a 5 minute conversation online? NO i dont think so. just say fuck off or something, because throwing around the word poser without even knowing the person is just making you look more stupid. thank you.
and on this whole argument thing i really dont have an opinion on drivethru. they arent the best record label, and they arent the worst.
unsung_zero02
10/24/03, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by takingbackSVR
Here's my two cents..
I don't exactly know if this is right but... uh... wasn't The Starting Line formly known as Sunday Drive... They were WE THE PEOPLE RECORDS? You guys are talking about old Starting Line... and the old TSL is fucking Sunday Drive... unless you were an actually fan, I think you'd know that...
i dont think you HAVE to know alot about a band in order to be a fan.....
Justin_stacy
10/24/03, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by MaybeOneDay
hey listen you little cocksucker, the ep sounds exactly like the full length does. the style of music is no different, and they didnt change in that time at all. if you like the ep, you like the full length. stop trying to sound like an elitist fuck you little douche bag. you may not like drive thru, and thats just fan-fucking-tastic, but don't act like your opinion is the only opinion. drive thru has lots of good bands, TEN being one of the worst in my opinion. (and i still like them alot). so now, proceed by shutting the fuck up.
your an idiot......the ep (and their earlier stuff) sounds NOTHING like their overproduced shitty full length......and its not about being elitist its about actually listening ot the music rather then just liking and defending a band just becuase of the label there on.......
Justin_stacy
10/24/03, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by mikeduin620
Not only does the EP sound like the full length....it has like three of the same fucking songs, you ignorant dipshit. .
ya except that they were REDONE for the new full lenght......
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