Manchester Orchestra (Official Thread)

[Villanova1L]

One of the best live bands I've ever seen. Going to the show in Philadelphia tonight, and didn't see a thread on them. I know the "official" tag is usually reserved for bands like Brand New, Fall Out Boy, Saves the Day, but I think in the next year Manchester will get to that level.

Share you stories, thoughts, dreams, or anything else about the band here.

[IWasaCamera]

Never understood the buzz around this band, aside from opening for Brand New.

[IWasaCamera]

Agreed.

[Villanova1L]

They are so generic it's laughable. Only pop punk fans who don't know anything about good indie would like this band.

Only elitist indie fans would fail to recognize a great band.

I'm assuming you've never seem them live, which is part of what makes this band so good.

[be mine]

This is the first time I am going to call an album not technically released this year my album of the year.

[MyWorldEntire]

Great bands do not rip off other bands. Manchester Orchestra sound almost exactly like Built to Spill and Placebo. It is embaressing how many idiotic Brand New fans think they invented the sound they plagiarised.



I have and they were average. Just because a band can perform average songs well does not stop those songs being average.

There's nothing average about "Where have you been"

[IWasaCamera]

Only elitist indie fans would fail to recognize a great band.

I'm assuming you've never seem them live, which is part of what makes this band so good.
haha I love how one's dislike for a band can't be rooted in anything other than elitism. Furthermore, replace the "elitist indie fans" portion of your comment with an enthusiast of any other genre and you're partaking in the very discrimination you were attempting to condemn. Bravo.

As for the band's purportedly solid live show, I can't see how it would detract from the generally mediocre songs they've released.

[atticus1492]

I love it.

I thought they were incredible in the live videos I've seen.

Seems as if I am a pop-punk fan who doesn't know anything about good indie. Oh well.

[3mpire]

I love it.

I thought they were incredible in the live videos I've seen.

Seems as if I am a pop-punk fan who doesn't know anything about good indie. Oh well.

Oh well, you enjoy the music so that's all that should matter.

I've only seen them briefly at a festival, but was suprised the singer could hit the notes so well live.

[hailthewarrior]

Great band.

[Mboma10]

Saw them in a bar/cafe in erm... Manchester about a month ago.

Hadn't heard much from them, but my bro had the album. They were amazing.

Expect them to grow over here soon as they're supporting Kings Of Leon (massive in the UK) at the end of the year.

Saying that, the lead singer was delighted at the turn out anyway, which was pretty impressive. Many Brand New t-shirts there.

Lead singer was also "delighted to finally play in the city they named the bad after." Legend.

[Praetor]

They are so generic it's laughable. Only pop punk fans who don't know anything about good indie would like this band.
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[mattybobviously]

I don't think Manchester Orchestra is a great band - they hardly have recorded anything to their name - but I do enjoy them. I also love Built to Spill. I don't really have a problem enjoying them both :shrug:

[Villanova1L]

haha I love how one's dislike for a band can't be rooted in anything other than elitism. Furthermore, replace the "elitist indie fans" portion of your comment with an enthusiast of any other genre and you're partaking in the very discrimination you were attempting to condemn. Bravo.

As for the band's purportedly solid live show, I can't see how it would detract from the generally mediocre songs they've released.

Using similar descriptions as you, and making the same simple minded conclusion was the purpose of my post.

Sadly you couldn't realize that. Bravo.

Also, you tried to cleverly dance around the fact you haven't seen them. Once you see them live see if that changes your mind.

The show tonight was very good. Probably my least favorite of their shows I've seen. The crowd wasn't as into it as others. I did get to talk to Andy for maybe half an hour after the set and learned a lot about the band, his take on fame, and the like. All in all a good night.

Sorry if this is somewhat incoherent, late nights for the last 2 weeks will do that.

[Villanova1L]

Aaah consistency.

I might troll but at least you always get that.

So its consistent to say a band is mediocre, and could only have pop punk fans, but yet call their work very solid?

Interesting...

And yes I'm well aware you brilliantly mentioned in both posts they sound like Built to Spill.

[make_this_hurt]

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pwn.

[IWasaCamera]

Using similar descriptions as you, and making the same simple minded conclusion was the purpose of my post.

Sadly you couldn't realize that. Bravo.

Also, you tried to cleverly dance around the fact you haven't seen them. Once you see them live see if that changes your mind.

The show tonight was very good. Probably my least favorite of their shows I've seen. The crowd wasn't as into it as others. I did get to talk to Andy for maybe half an hour after the set and learned a lot about the band, his take on fame, and the like. All in all a good night.

Sorry if this is somewhat incoherent, late nights for the last 2 weeks will do that.
I suppose I'll have to reiterate my sentiments. Seeing a band in concert does not alter my perception of its artistic merits in any capacity. If they are horrid on record, I won't enjoy them live on any more than a "they sure move a lot" level. Seems like a fairly simple notion to grasp.

As for my supposed "clever dancing", I don't have the faintest clue where you pulled that from seeing as I never once stated that I had seen them, nor did I imply that I had any knowledge of their live proficiency. Again, a band's live prowess is not in any way germane to whether or not I enjoy them. They will be a tedious listen regardless of how accurately or passionately they can play their songs. My favorite albums are not live recordings nor would I ever want them to be.

[atticus1492]

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That is funny, because I was thinking when I first read this thread that Ben was the first person that I had ever heard saying they are very good.

[atticus1492]

Aaah consistency.

I might troll but at least you always get that.

So do you troll more often than I realize? I feel like at this point I am very good at trolling (here and other places, Halo, IRL, etc.), yet I normally take you as being completely serious. I should have seen it.

[funkel]

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Haha I love you, kid.

Coolest 14 year old evah.

[funkel]

I don't think Manchester Orchestra is a great band - they hardly have recorded anything to their name - but I do enjoy them. I also love Built to Spill. I don't really have a problem enjoying them both :shrug:
2 full-lengths and 2 EPs is hardly any material to their name?

I love this band. I don't care if they're not "original" (and I believe what Ben is saying about them ripping off BTS and Placebo), I love their sound and lyrics and that's that.

[timographic]

love the sound of his voice..., and the music is maybe not that difficult but they are original in their own way and it sounds good.

[Villanova1L]

I don't really think that any band has an original sound right now. Manchester plays their music and I love it. The fact other bands may sound similar doesn't bother me because no band sounds completely unique.

I know that there are probably a few bands that sound completely original, but I've yet to hear any that impress me.

[Dr. Acula]

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Hahahaha. niiiice.

[thetrueblood]

Machester is about to be on Conan O'Brian. awesome!

[1Roth4]

im pretty excited.

while youre waiting, check out the interview i did with them in january of this year.

check the sig

[3eb23]

I suppose I'll have to reiterate my sentiments. Seeing a band in concert does not alter my perception of its artistic merits in any capacity. If they are horrid on record, I won't enjoy them live on any more than a "they sure move a lot" level. Seems like a fairly simple notion to grasp.

As for my supposed "clever dancing", I don't have the faintest clue where you pulled that from seeing as I never once stated that I had seen them, nor did I imply that I had any knowledge of their live proficiency. Again, a band's live prowess is not in any way germane to whether or not I enjoy them. They will be a tedious listen regardless of how accurately or passionately they can play their songs. My favorite albums are not live recordings nor would I ever want them to be.

I gotta disagree with the whole opinion on live shows. I mean for instance, I've never been able to get into Mute Math's cd, yet their live show blew me away. I think a great live show can very well show there is more to a band than an album listen.

[IWasaCamera]

I gotta disagree with the whole opinion on live shows. I mean for instance, I've never been able to get into Mute Math's cd, yet their live show blew me away. I think a great live show can very well show there is more to a band than an album listen.
So a live show can get you to enjoy a band despite their album being pisspoor?

[Villanova1L]

So a live show can get you to enjoy a band despite their album being pisspoor?

yup

[SgtSmegma]

Manchester Orchestra is a great band. You can argue a lack of originality as means to hate on them, but I could pull the same argument on virtually any other band you could think of. I certainly would not say they're generic at all though. Andy's voice and lyrical ability are fantastic. When you consider the relatively young age of these guys, it seems like they will be putting out stellar records for a long time to come.

[airik625]

They were awesome last night on Conan O'Brien. I love these guys, still need to see them live.

[IWasaCamera]

yup
That's remarkably unfortunate.

[3eb23]

So a live show can get you to enjoy a band despite their album being pisspoor?

look no one is going to convince you to like a band that you don't like, so if you think that manchester orchestra's music is "pisspoor" then you wouldn't like them even if they put on a great show. i'm just saying that an exceptional live show can prove that a band has more to them than just an album, and this can make you appreciate them more because of it.

[IWasaCamera]

look no one is going to convince you to like a band that you don't like, so if you think that manchester orchestra's music is "pisspoor" then you wouldn't like them even if they put on a great show.
And it comes full circle.

[3eb23]

And it comes full circle.

haha it does. look at that. i mean cmon what was the point in trying to convince someone to like a band that they don't like?

[Aether]

Is the Conan performance on YouTube yet?

[IWasaCamera]

haha it does. look at that. i mean cmon what was the point in trying to convince someone to like a band that they don't like?
It was to disprove the thread-maker's assertion that Manchester Orchestra's live show could radically shift my opinion of the band.

[underdawg1119]

Did they play Where Have You Been?, or Wolves At Night again?

And am I the only one that doesn't think they sound that much like Built To Spill?

[Dr. Acula]

I missed them on Conan. =/ boo.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

I don't think they invented the indie genre

I do love this band

I do only know about them because they toured with Brand New

Basically, Ben's right on with the Brand New point. I'd say a lot of there fans like them from seeing them or hearing about them from Brand New. I just don't think thats a bad thing. Plenty of bands get heard that way.

[atticus1492]

Did they play Where Have You Been?, or Wolves At Night again?

And am I the only one that doesn't think they sound that much like Built To Spill?

Probably. They do.

[underdawg1119]

Probably. They do.

I'm not saying they don't sound like them at all. I just don't think they're as similar sounding as everyone else seems to think.

[atticus1492]

I'm not saying they don't sound like them at all. I just don't think they're as similar sounding as everyone else seems to think.

They are very similar sounding.

[atticus1492]

How the fuck could anyone not think they sound like Built to Spill?

Deafness.

[Villanova1L]

How the fuck could anyone not think they sound like Built to Spill?

I might have missed where anyone says they don't.

Most people are just making the point that they can like a band even though they sound like another band.

I think they sound a lot like Built to Spill, but I like Andy's lyrics more. Also, their live show pushed them from being a band I really like to a band I go see every chance I get and listen to frequently.

[atticus1492]

I might have missed where anyone says they don't.

Most people are just making the point that they can like a band even though they sound like another band.

Did you try scrolling up the page five posts?

[Villanova1L]

Did they play Where Have You Been?, or Wolves At Night again?

And am I the only one that doesn't think they sound that much like Built To Spill?

If that's the post you're referring too, he said THAT MUCH. Meaning to him they sound like them somewhat, but not as much as people say. Which he clarified in his later post that said:

"I'm not saying they don't sound like them at all. I just don't think they're as similar sounding as everyone else seems to think."

So, show me the person again who said they sound nothing like them.

[underdawg1119]

How the fuck could anyone not think they sound like Built to Spill?
How the fuck do you not understand that I said they sound like them, but I don't think its that strong of a similarity?

If that's the post you're referring too, he said THAT MUCH. Meaning to him they sound like them somewhat, but not as much as people say. Which he clarified in his later post that said:

"I'm not saying they don't sound like them at all. I just don't think they're as similar sounding as everyone else seems to think."

So, show me the person again who said they sound nothing like them.
Thank you.

[hailthewarrior]

Manchester Orchestra and Neutral Milk Hotel have one thing in common... Brand New. No one on AP cared for either until one opened and Brand New covered the other. I remember when it happened.

But hey, good music, so no complaints. It's just funny.

[hailthewarrior]

No way. NMH have been massive in the indie underground for a long long time. In the Aeroplane has sold 200,000 records, that's a hell of a lot more than just cause Jesse Lacey covered them.

But on this site, they weren't talked about until Holland, 1945 and Oh Comely were being covered almost every week by Jesse. I've lurked here and then posted here now for almost two years, they weren't mentioned until this spring. Which was my point.

[hailthewarrior]

That's as maybe but they are not comparable seen as pretty much all of Manchester Orchestras fans are from Brand New where as most Neutral Milk Hotel fans don't like or probably haven't even heard Brand New.

Neutral Milk Hotel aren't some shitty AP hype band that will come and go like Armor for Sleep or something.

Also my third post on the site was a NMH thread and a lot of people replied.

I see what you're saying, but I was just stating an observation, that's all.

[Villanova1L]

Yeah, NMH definitely were well established before Jesse covered them.

Andy flat out said he refused to cover NMH because the songs never sound as good covered.

Say what you want about Manchester, but they are really nice guys who play their own songs better than most bands out right now. I understand they didn't invent the sound, but there isn't a single band out right now that doesn't sound similar to someone.

They opened for Brand New and it helped their careers, get over it.

That is all.

[MyWorldEntire]

That's as maybe but they are not comparable seen as pretty much all of Manchester Orchestras fans are from Brand New where as most Neutral Milk Hotel fans don't like or probably haven't even heard Brand New.

Neutral Milk Hotel aren't some shitty AP hype band that will come and go like Armor for Sleep or something.

Also my third post on the site was a NMH thread and a lot of people replied.

I heard about Manchester Orchestra on myspace, before I even joined this site:shrug:

[underdawg1119]

I will never tire of that pick. I don't care if you like them or whatever but they sound fucking similar to Built to Spill.

How do you not understand that I'm essentially agreeing with you?

[thetrueblood]

I agree that Neutral Milk Hotel has been a staple in the indie scene for quite a while.

I hadn't heard about Manchester Orchestra until I saw them live...at a brand new show. haha.

however, i heard NMH long before them and didn't even know Brand New did a cover.

I like how AP users act like the rest of the music world doesn't exist and everything comes down to what is said in this forum.

[Villanova1L]

And suprise, suprise you have Brand New in your favourite bands. A lot of people on this site like to think this site has a big infleunce in pushing certain bands but I think that's total bullshit personally and that while Pitchfork certainly does, AP.net does not.

Oddly enough people can like Brand New AND Manchester Orchestra. Just like I can enjoy Talib Kweli AND Mos Def. I know this is a foreign idea to you, but people like bands that tour with each other.

The advertisements, interviews, and exclusives on this site would say that labels think AP.net certainly has some pull.

[Villanova1L]

I never said otherwise.



It does but some people have gone so far as to attribute Deja Entendu's success to Absolute Punk. Which is ridiculously and completely untrue.

Fair enough.

I do think AP.net shows a lot of kids bands they wouldn't normally see and labels recognize that.

[kaskomm09]

Does anyone know what song MO has been closing with on tour?

It was just Andy solo and the line "Turn off the light's, the party is over" a handful of times.

[Villanova1L]

Does anyone know what song MO has been closing with on tour?

It was just Andy solo and the line "Turn off the light's, the party is over" a handful of times.

Just saw this and in Philadelphia they played "Where Have You Been" with some changed lyrics, and then Andy came out alone and played. The cool thing is he changes some lyrics to keep the songs fresh for the band, and usually leads with a new song.

[Dr. Acula]

Good lord...like Mary said, NO MO DRAMA.

[funkel]

Does anyone know what song MO has been closing with on tour?

It was just Andy solo and the line "Turn off the light's, the party is over" a handful of times.
That's a cover of Willie Nelson's "The Party's Over"

[Villanova1L]

Manchester Orchestra are probably the first band ever to do that. Good job.

Don't know where I suggested that they were. I was telling people what they've been doing on this tour. Since people reading this thread would probably be interested in things pertaining to the band, including what they've been playing on this tour.

[LV03]

have been listening to I'm like a virgin...all week, what a great album & band.

[atticus1492]

+1

[doyouhas?]

Can't believe that I'm gonna post this.

I heard a MO song on the radio (99x in Atlanta), and have to admit it's not terrible. I mean - it's pretty generic and they just re-use familiar chord progressions, but it's not even close to being terrible. So, if you're a fan of MO, I can sorta, maybe understand...

Unless you've seen them live. As a person who sees more shows than most of you, and have def. seen Manchester more than 90% of this board, they are a terrible live band. I mean - wretched.

So - there you have. The first positive thing I've ever said about MO. happy new years

enjoi

[Villanova1L]

Just heard this band is going to start recording and will be on tour with Say Anything starting in March.

Also, they are on NHL '08, so that's cool too.

Anyone have comments on the new songs they've been playing live?

[pshh]

march 30 in sf with say anything? best night ever.

[Adrian Villagomez]

http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=8657401

I like.

[KidRobot]

Bump at night.

[FayeQC]

New album in january!
confirmed at HOB show :-d

[failingwithease]

I am completely dumbfounded by the person who said they are terrible live. Are you kidding me? I just saw them Thursday for the fourth time and they (mainly Andy and Chris) have the most passion I have ever seen put into a show. It is fucking incredible. Every time.

Also, in regards to the new album, they've been playing a lot of new songs. I think they had 5 or so at the show I just saw.

[chaosB4storm]

I am completely dumbfounded by the person who said they are terrible live. Are you kidding me? I just saw them Thursday for the fourth time and they (mainly Andy and Chris) have the most passion I have ever seen put into a show. It is fucking incredible. Every time.

Also, in regards to the new album, they've been playing a lot of new songs. I think they had 5 or so at the show I just saw.

How were the new songs?

[failingwithease]

How were the new songs?

They do not disappoint.

[Dr. Acula]

I just saw them with Brand New Friday night. MO played 4 new songs and they were all so fuckin good. Im pumped for the new album. Andy said it was comin out in January.

[mcclelland]

werent they supposed to do something on 8/8/08. did I miss anything

[bouttogetfancy]

werent they supposed to do something on 8/8/08. did I miss anything
eh well probably didn't work out in time. They are the busy bees.

[funkel]

New song, "I Can Feel A Hot One". I'm a fan.

[gillygtv]

I told someone a while back in the gen forum somewhere that I would post these videos I took of manchorch's 3/29/08 set at Nokia Theatre ny.

The first song I really like, but I couldn't find the name when I posted it, and haven't looked again. If anyone knows and could fill me in...I'd really appreciate it.

I'm pretty sure that this was the whole set (just not in order).

???
KOhsB4d8I20

Shake It Out- New Song
S8vuuh_0POo

Golden Ticket
x6zeicn5gOM

Alice & Interiors
pTQMVVRfsco

Now That You're Home
0h2oXnEz-Bk

Wolves At Night
_WjBOf9K3Ys

[Mikeyx1230]

Im not going to call them a "great" band because they have not been around long enough, or released enough material, however i will say i enjoyed "Im like a virgin losing a child"
And if you dont like them, thats fine, to each there own.

[kemichels]

I just downloaded the new EP.

The live version of Sleeper 1972 pretty much makes me want to cry. I don't know whether it's because it's such a depressing song, or because it's just so goddamn good.

[lolliot]

I need to bump this thread because I finally got to hear the two new songs on the EP, and they are fantastic. Their new album is definitely one of, if not my most anticipated for next year.

Can't wait, but for now I'll just pace myself with I Can Feel A Hot One and I Was A Lid, and that fantastic live version of Wolves At Night!

Oh and if anyone would like to transcribe the lyrics from the new songs, please do - Having a bit of a hard time catching them right now, but that could be on account of it being almost 4AM over here.

[SaltyEyes]

I need more upbeat MO, more wolves and now that you're home, less sleeper and I can feel a hot one.

[lolliot]

I need more upbeat MO, more wolves and now that you're home, less sleeper and I can feel a hot one.

I want more of both. The upbeat songs were the ones that caught me initially, but I think Andy Hull is at his absolute best when it's just him and the guitar such as I Can Feel Your Pain, Play It Again, Sam, the WBRU FM version of Wolves At Night and the Daytrotter Session version of Where Have You Been. Those songs just hit me harder than anything else, but I still want a record full of just upbeat stuff.

I know, they can release a the new record with only upbeat songs, and a pre-order bonus b-side with just acoustic versions. Yeah, that's what they need to do.

[SgtSmegma]

New EP is sick. New LP is a predicted contender for AOTY.

[micahistheballs]

Good interview with Andy Hull here.

http://sunonthesand.net/2008/12/08/andy-hull-manchester-orchestraright-away-great-captain-interview/

[chipdip18]

I haven't really listened to this band much, but they remind me of The Spill Canvas mixed with Deja Brand New from the videos above. I like the drumming on Shake It Out.

[3eb23]

did anyone see their show on the 29th in nashville?

[alboneceleste]

here is a video I took from the Ottobar show in Baltimore on the 11th!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD-bP2RyRa0

[harveymonster]

my current favorite band.

[J Me]

Badges and Badges is one of the better acoustic songs I've heard. im obsessed with it. does anyone know their current set list? im seeing them at the variety playhouse in Atlanta on Saturday and i really hope they play it

[Dr. Acula]

I haven't really listened to this band much, but they remind me of The Spill Canvas mixed with Deja Brand New from the videos above. I like the drumming on Shake It Out.

The Spill Canvas? X-) Thank GOD I dont hear that.

[jdr2187]

did anyone see their show on the 29th in nashville?

I was there!

[nlcentralchamps]

Great show last night in Orlando.

I love these guys.

The new material is amazing.

[underdawg1119]

Badges and Badges is one of the better acoustic songs I've heard. im obsessed with it. does anyone know their current set list? im seeing them at the variety playhouse in Atlanta on Saturday and i really hope they play it
Pretty sure it's a RA,GC! song, but I could be wrong. Either way, I doubt they'll be playing it Saturday.

[christopher™]

i believe you are right about it being a ragc song

[J Me]

Pretty sure it's a RA,GC! song, but I could be wrong. Either way, I doubt they'll be playing it Saturday. well it was on their live dvd/ep so idk

[underdawg1119]

well it was on their live dvd/ep so idk
True. But they didn't play it. Lol.

[J Me]

True. But they didn't play it. Lol.hah

[11:11]

I'm pretty pumped for the new album.

[Undue Noise]

I'm pretty pumped for the new album.
Same here. I'm glad they've released the track listing and I'm also interested to see if "I Can Feel a Hot One" will be an alternate version to the EP version or something.

[11:11]

Same here. I'm glad they've released the track listing and I'm also interested to see if "I Can Feel a Hot One" will be an alternate version to the EP version or something.
I hope not. I like it the way it is.

[airik625]

I think I would like to hear an alternate version of "I Can Feel A Hot One" on the new CD.

[lolliot]

I would also like an alternate version, but really only to try and satisfy my endless need for new MO material. They shouldn't do an alternate version just to do an alternate version. For instance, they should have gone with the Brainstorm EP version of Alice & Interiors on Like A Virgin. It's a classic case of simple = better.

Then again, that might be a very subjective opinion because I fell for the EP version first :-)

[Jason Tate]

I think the new album will place them in the same category as Brand New, Thrice, J.E.W, and Say Anything as AP.net elites.

[Colorblind!]

Aren't they already kind of elite?

[Jason Tate]

Aren't they already kind of elite?
I'd say they're second tier around here. Only one extremely praised album ... decent sized following. But not anywhere near the aforementioned bands. I think that'll change with this release and they'll be seen on that level.

[JimGray]

They deserve to be elite!

[TSLROCKS]

Finally started listening to this band and love them. Can't believe it took me this long to listen to them

[The Personist]

Love this band. Hope Jason's right about the new album exploding them into stardom. They deserve it.

[bouttogetfancy]

I think the new album will place them in the same category as Brand New, Thrice, J.E.W, and Say Anything as AP.net elites.
I sure hope so, they deserve it.

[bouttogetfancy]

Love this band. Hope Jason's right about the new album exploding them into stardom. They deserve it.
lol said the same thing by accident

[lolliot]

I hope they do a sweet pre-order deal for Mean Everything once it comes, with limited edition vinyl and everything. That would be sweet.

Sweeeet!

Just can not wait for it to reach my ears.

[Dr. Acula]

Finally started listening to this band and love them. Can't believe it took me this long to listen to them

Damn! Took long enough but welcome to the party. Haha. I wanna hear the new album NOW. Last time I saw them play live, they played about 5 new songs and they were all damn good.

[underdawg1119]

I've Got Friends is fucking awesome.

[JimGray]

Been listening to Nobody Sings Anymore today haha.

So good.

[Thomas Balkcom]

such a great band, I am so pumped for this release

[ThisIsNotDan]

I can't wait for all the wicked cool people to scramble to find reasons why they shouldn't get any recogntion, like with any other band hyped on here.

song sounds good though

[lolliot]

Been listening to Nobody Sings Anymore today haha.

So good.

Same. Window playing right now :D Got to do something while we wait!

[boxingwithstars]

I've Got Friends is great... i can't wait to hear the rest of this album.

[sweetforever]

Love their new single

[boxingwithstars]

Been listening to Nobody Sings Anymore today haha.

So good.

me too! i've had this and I'm Like A Virgin on repeat in my car.

[JimGray]

Same. Window playing right now :D Got to do something while we wait!

me too! i've had this and I'm Like A Virgin on repeat in my car.

I just recently aquired Nobody Sings... and am loving it.

God bless B-Sides-R-Us...

[lolliot]

Make sure you get the Tree Sound Sessions and 5 Stories EPs as well, if you haven't got them already. Both have a couple of songs that didn't make it to any Brainstorm or Nobody Sings Anymore.

[Praetor]

This song finished and 'Yes' by Manic Street Preachers started playing...an infinitely better song. I was going to listen to this a few more times to see if it grows on me but I think I'll listen to The Holy Bible instead.

[Jason Tate]

This song finished and 'Yes' by Manic Street Preachers started playing...an infinitely better song. I was going to listen to this a few more times to see if it grows on me but I think I'll listen to The Holy Bible instead.
You are entirely too predictable these days. I could change your username to a variety of users and no one would notice the difference.

[Circa1628]

You are entirely too predictable these days. I could change your username to a variety of users and no one would notice the difference.

do it

[Praetor]

You are entirely too predictable these days. I could change your username to a variety of users and no one would notice the difference.
What? I still am in love with I'm Like a Virgin and 'I Can Feel a Hot One' is one of my favorite songs of late. I'm not giving up on Man Orch just because they're being hyped on the site...I hope you didn't interpret it like that.

[Praetor]

do it
haha actually I'd back a username change. I don't really like mine.

[Circa1628]

haha actually I'd back a username change. I don't really like mine.
haha, that's funny

[Jason Tate]

What? I still am in love with I'm Like a Virgin and 'I Can Feel a Hot One' is one of my favorite songs of late. I'm not giving up on Man Orch just because they're being hyped on the site...I hope you didn't interpret it like that.
Not what I'm talking about at all ... you used to be an intelligent 15 year old who brought a new take on music when you spoke -- usually about bands you liked, rarely about music you didn't. And you never would seek out a thread to down talk a band and name drop. Now you just regurgitate the same shit you're expected to as an "evolved" music listener. I could change your username to "lunchforthesky" and no one would bat an eye or think for a second it was a different user.

Just extremely predictable. It's too bad. I used to look forward to reading your posts -- now I just roll my eyes.

[Praetor]

Not what I'm talking about at all ... you used to be an intelligent 15 year old who brought a new take on music when you spoke -- usually about bands you liked, rarely about music you didn't. And you never would seek out a thread to down talk a band and name drop. Now you just regurgitate the same shit you're expected to as an "evolved" music listener. I could change your username to "lunchforthesky" and no one would bat an eye or think for a second it was a different user.
:shrug: I'm sorry that you feel like I'm not like that anymore. I really like talking about music - music I love and music I hate. That's why I joined this site, that's why I still post here regularly after two years, and that's why I write for a music site (Sun on the Sand...I know you are not a huge fan of that site but that's a different matter entirely, haha.) I've started listening to a lot more indie music lately and less of what this site covers...I don't see that as a step forward in some arbitrary scale of evolution, just a step to the side. I can see how my more negative posts can come across like that though.

I disagree with Ben on a lot of stuff though...for example, I thought the stuff he said in that Telefon tel Aviv thread was simply silly and to use a far more recent example, that thing he just posted like two seconds ago in the MO thread in general.

But if you're serious about the name change thing...I'll take you up on it, haha.

[Praetor]

Oh and I guess this is as good a time as any: I've been meaning to thank you for linking B-Sides R Us in your blog about the music industry.

[Jason Tate]

:shrug: I'm sorry that you feel like I'm not like that anymore. I really like talking about music - music I love and music I hate. That's why I joined this site, that's why I still post here regularly after two years, and that's why I write for a music site (Sun on the Sand...I know you are not a huge fan of that site but that's a different matter entirely, haha.) I've started listening to a lot more indie music lately and less of what this site covers...I don't see that as a step forward in some arbitrary scale of evolution, just a step to the side. I can see how my more negative posts can come across like that though.

I disagree with Ben on a lot of stuff though...for example, I thought the stuff he said in that Telefon tel Aviv thread was simply silly and to use a far more recent example, that thing he just posted like two seconds ago in the MO thread in general.

But if you're serious about the name change thing...I'll take you up on it, haha.
Welp, you writing for Pitchfork's retarded cousin answers that question for me. Too bad - you had potential. Now you're just a dime a dozen elitist prick of a poster ... the change has been interesting too watch.

[Circa1628]

. I could change your username to "lunchforthesky" and no one would bat an eye or think for a second it was a different user.



hahaha that happened to me as well, just to add to his 'argument'. I don't really like that Manics song that much though.


Did you just change his name? haha

[Praetor]

Welp, you writing for Pitchfork's retarded little brother answers that question for me. Too bad - you had potential. Now you're just a dime a dozen elitist prick of a poster.
Sigh...like I said, I'm sorry that you feel that way but I talk about my opinions on music, positive and negative. And I'm also sorry that you see me writing with people I like about music I like on a site I like as showing off some invisible e-cred. I don't write for that site to be an elitist, I do it for the exact same reason that you started AbsolutePunk.net. It stems from a passion for music, not trendhopping. But c'est la vie.
hahaha that happened to me as well, just to add to his 'argument'. I don't really like that Manics song that much though.
I think it's my favorite on that album. I love the 4/4, 3/4, 4/4, 4/4 time signature change that runs throughout...it's just one beat 'off' and you have to really concentrate to find the beat, haha.

[Jason Tate]

Sigh...like I said, I'm sorry that you feel that way but I talk about my opinions on music, positive and negative. And I'm also sorry that you see me writing with people I like about music I like on a site I like as showing off some invisible e-cred. But c'est la vie.

I think it's my favorite on that album. I love the 4/4, 3/4, 4/4, 4/4 time signature change that runs throughout...it's just one beat 'off' and you have to really concentrate to find the beat, haha.
Lunchforthesky's username just opened up ... it's all yours if you want it. And that's not what I'm talking about -- I don't read anything you write or that site writes. I'm talking about how you've changed your personality on AP.net since the beginning.

[Circa1628]

:popc:I don't see how on earth Jason can accuse Praetor of being a prick when he went into a thread to purposefully belittle and insult him.

[Circa1628]

Lunchforthesky's username just opened up ... it's all yours if you want it.
:bugeyed: did you ban him?

[Praetor]

Lunchforthesky's username just opened up ... it's all yours if you want it.
haha I hate my username but mine > his any day.

EDIT I just saw your edit...if my personality has changed, it's because I've changed as a person. It doesn't stem from my changing taste in music, that's ridiculous.

[Jason Tate]

:popc:
Glad that dick finally gave me a reason. Been waiting for a reason to give those last few points for a week. His post is stupid anyway -- I clearly am a prick; however, I didn't enter the thread with that "purpose" ... just laughed at the last post in the thread due to how ridiculously predictable certain users have become.

[Praetor]

Why would me not being stoked on the new MO song constitute me as a predictable elitist anyway? As far as I know, MO is incredibly wide-liked by many on the site, even the so-called indie-elitists.

[boxingwithstars]

I just recently aquired Nobody Sings... and am loving it.

God bless B-Sides-R-Us...

it's a pretty good album. i don't know why the band doesn't seem to acknowledge it, they don't even have it listed in their discography. i really like She Found A Love and Anything Left.

[Circa1628]

Glad that dick finally gave me a reason. Been waiting for a reason to give those last few points for a week. His post is stupid anyway -- I clearly am a prick; however, I didn't enter the thread with that "purpose" ... just laughed at the last post in the thread due to how ridiculously predictable certain users have become.

yeah, I knew it wasn't anything personal with Praetor. I agree there are a lot of very predictable users, most of them elitists. Not sure if you saw the conversation where some user called Twitz or something like that said that I couldn't listen to Cursive or ATDI because I listen to 3EB, that's about as elitist as it gets.

[Praetor]

it's a pretty good album. i don't know why the band doesn't seem to acknowledge it, they don't even have it listed in their discography. i really like She Found A Love and Anything Left.
It was never officially released as an album. The mixing wasn't even finished as far as I know when it was 'leaked.' But yeah I think it's all right. Don't like the production on it but that's a given.

[Praetor]

yeah, I knew it wasn't anything personal with Praetor. I agree there are a lot of very predictable users, most of them elitists. Not sure if you saw the conversation where some user called Twitz or something like that said that I couldn't listen to Cursive or ATDI because I listen to 3EB, that's about as elitist as it gets.
hahahahaha where is this?

[Jason Tate]

haha I hate my username but mine > his any day.

EDIT I just saw your edit...if my personality has changed, it's because I've changed as a person. It doesn't stem from my changing taste in music, that's ridiculous.
Then it's a mighty coincidence. You go from having one of the most level headed minds when it comes to music of any genre to being one of the most ridiculous and overtly brash over anything that doesn't fit into a very tight mold. You name drop indie bands in anyway/shape/form you can ... and you trash on bands in the past you would have just ignored. It's just funny to watch. I used to see your name pop up at the end of a thread and think: "ah, this will be interesting" -- now it shows up and it's "oh, great, lunchforthesky JR will tell us what he doesn't like and somehow mention a band no one is talking about in the process."

Just been an interesting transition over the past few years. It's too bad ... that's all I'm saying. Went from having some faith in the youth to realizing I'd rather talk to an unrepentant All Time Low fan than an indie douche of any age. It absolutely ruins threads for me. I'm not really trying to be an ass ... just observing. Especially after watching you go to each MO thread you could find today and state practically the same thing, before finally having to name drop the "infinitely better" band line.

[Circa1628]

hahahahaha where is this?
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=34144192#post34144 192

it starts here and goes for 4-5 pages. His points are predictable, and laughable. Togepi also calls him out on how ridiculous his points are.

[Circa1628]

I'd rather talk to an unrepentant All Time Low fan than an indie douche of any age.

agreed.

[Circa1628]

let me know what you think

[Praetor]

Patented Jason Tate multi-quote coming up...haha
Then it's a mighty coincidence. You go from having one of the most level headed minds when it comes to music of any genre
Even though you don't feel that way anymore about me it's still a pretty cool compliment, so thank you (sincere).
to being one of the most ridiculous and overtly brash I can be brash sometimes about bands I don't like, there's no sense in denying that.
over anything that doesn't fit into a very tight mold.
I feel like I listen to a fair amount of genres...I even still like my fair share of scene pop-punk and I've never been shy about admitting that. Quick skimming of my brain brings up Spitalfield, All Time Low, Best Interest, Fall Out Boy, Motion City Soundtrack, Midtown, New Found Glory, Northstar, et al - and I've never been shy about voicing my love for any of them.
You name drop indie bands in anyway/shape/form you can ... I just don't feel like this is true. I will talk about bands when the subject is brought up but I will rarely go into a thread like a Bring Me the Horizon thread and start talking randomly about how much better I think Buried Inside is as opposed to BMTH. When I 'name-dropped' Manic Street Preachers ITT it was because it was the band right after Man Orc in my iTunes and I had forgotten how much I liked that album. It was just kind of me thinking out loud, it wasn't a namedrop - it's not like I came in here and said "Dude this song sucks, you should listen to Built to Spill, they do this sound 1000x better."
and you trash on bands in the past you would have just ignored. Yes, I've become more vocal about bands I don't like. No disagreement here.
I used to see your name pop up at the end of a thread and think: "ah, this will be interesting" -- now it shows up and it's "oh, great, lunchforthesky JR will tell us what he doesn't like and somehow mention a band no one is talking about in the process." It's pretty cool that you used to find my posts interesting - no sarcasm here, I really respect you and your musical opinion and enjoy reading your posts. It sucks that you find my posts predictable/uninteresting nowadays and I hope you change your mind about me because I truthfully don't feel that way about myself.
Just been an interesting transition over the past few years. It's too bad ... that's all I'm saying. Went from having some faith in the youth to realizing I'd rather talk to an unrepentant All Time Low fan than an indie douche of any age.Funny you bring that up as I'm a huge All Time Low fan haha. I was actually considering changing my avatar to So Wrong, It's Right but I'm digging Chronoclast too much.

[Praetor]

let me know what you think
Were you talking to me or Jason?

[GuitarR0cker1]

I am digging I've Got Friends. I am definitley pumped for this album.

[Circa1628]

Were you talking to me or Jason?

you, Jason is probably too busy and/or doesn't really want to read it

[Praetor]

you, Jason is probably too busy and/or doesn't really want to read it
About the Cursive/AtDI/3EB thing? Thought it was ridiculous, dunno how anybody could defend the argument that certain people are only allowed to listen to certain artists.

[Dr. Acula]

On first listen, Im enjoying I've Got Friends.

[ThisIsNotDan]

Then it's a mighty coincidence. You go from having one of the most level headed minds when it comes to music of any genre to being one of the most ridiculous and overtly brash over anything that doesn't fit into a very tight mold. You name drop indie bands in anyway/shape/form you can ... and you trash on bands in the past you would have just ignored. It's just funny to watch. I used to see your name pop up at the end of a thread and think: "ah, this will be interesting" -- now it shows up and it's "oh, great, lunchforthesky JR will tell us what he doesn't like and somehow mention a band no one is talking about in the process."

agree to disagree, but the kid is still very level-headed. I think you're reading posts by the wrong people, I've never seen John unfairly/overly shit on a band. in fact I've seen more posts of him saying what he likes than dislikes. he does mention a lot of indie shit now, but he is hardly lunchforthesky jr. coming into threads spouting off his opinion like he is the end all be all of music listeners and shitty hair. dude is still pretty legit. no offense to you of course, just seems like you are being a bit unfair.

[Circa1628]

About the Cursive/AtDI/3EB thing? Thought it was ridiculous, dunno how anybody could defend the argument that certain people are only allowed to listen to certain artists.
feel free to leave your comments in that thread :-p

[Praetor]

agree to disagree, but the kid is still very level-headed. I think you're reading posts by the wrong people, I've never seen John unfairly/overly shit on a band. in fact I've seen more posts of him saying what he likes than dislikes. he does mention a lot of indie shit now, but he is hardly lunchforthesky jr. coming into threads spouting off his opinion like he is the end all be all of music listeners and shitty hair. dude is still pretty legit. no offense to you of course, just seems like you are being a bit unfair.
Thanks man, appresh.

[Jason Tate]

Patented Jason Tate multi-quote coming up...haha

Even though you don't feel that way anymore about me it's still a pretty cool compliment, so thank you (sincere).
I can be brash sometimes about bands I don't like, there's no sense in denying that.

I feel like I listen to a fair amount of genres...I even still like my fair share of scene pop-punk and I've never been shy about admitting that. Quick skimming of my brain brings up Spitalfield, All Time Low, Best Interest, Fall Out Boy, Motion City Soundtrack, Midtown, New Found Glory, Northstar, et al - and I've never been shy about voicing my love for any of them.
I just don't feel like this is true. I will talk about bands when the subject is brought up but I will rarely go into a thread like a Bring Me the Horizon thread and start talking randomly about how much better I think Buried Inside is as opposed to BMTH. When I 'name-dropped' Manic Street Preachers ITT it was because it was the band right after Man Orc in my iTunes and I had forgotten how much I liked that album. It was just kind of me thinking out loud, it wasn't a namedrop - it's not like I came in here and said "Dude this song sucks, you should listen to Built to Spill, they do this sound 1000x better."
Yes, I've become more vocal about bands I don't like. No disagreement here.
It's pretty cool that you used to find my posts interesting - no sarcasm here, I really respect you and your musical opinion and enjoy reading your posts. It sucks that you find my posts predictable/uninteresting nowadays and I hope you change your mind about me because I truthfully don't feel that way about myself.
Funny you bring that up as I'm a huge All Time Low fan haha. I was actually considering changing my avatar to So Wrong, It's Right but I'm digging Chronoclast too much.
Guess we'll see. It'd be nice if you didn't follow that path ... because we have far too many of those kinda people on the website and it's frustrating to deal with on a daily basis.

[Praetor]

feel free to leave your comments in that thread :-p
haha I don't want to bump an old thread just to poke holes in an already obviously terrible argument.

[Jason Tate]

agree to disagree, but the kid is still very level-headed. I think you're reading posts by the wrong people, I've never seen John unfairly/overly shit on a band. in fact I've seen more posts of him saying what he likes than dislikes. he does mention a lot of indie shit now, but he is hardly lunchforthesky jr. coming into threads spouting off his opinion like he is the end all be all of music listeners and shitty hair. dude is still pretty legit. no offense to you of course, just seems like you are being a bit unfair.
I don't have the time to go find and pull examples. But I read more on this site than anyone -- and I'm not just making things up. Just an observation.

[Circa1628]

haha I don't want to bump an old thread just to poke holes in an already obviously terrible argument.
I'm just kidding, if you couldn't tell he realized he was wrong, finally!

[Praetor]

I'm just kidding, if you couldn't tell he realized he was wrong, finally!
Oh haha I didn't read the whole thing.

On the topic of 3EB: I listened to Non-Dairy Creamer and I wasn't impressed (the lyrics threw me) - is Red Star better?

[ThisIsNotDan]

Oh haha I didn't read the whole thing.

On the topic of 3EB: I listened to Non-Dairy Creamer and I wasn't impressed (the lyrics threw me) - is Red Star better?

after one or two listens I thought Non-Dairy was the best track (odd lyrics, but a classic 3EB hook), and that the other two were ok. worth a listen though. certainly not bad at all

[Praetor]

Jason do you have the official lyrics for I've Got Friends?

[GuitarR0cker1]

Then it's a mighty coincidence. You go from having one of the most level headed minds when it comes to music of any genre to being one of the most ridiculous and overtly brash over anything that doesn't fit into a very tight mold. You name drop indie bands in anyway/shape/form you can ... and you trash on bands in the past you would have just ignored. It's just funny to watch. I used to see your name pop up at the end of a thread and think: "ah, this will be interesting" -- now it shows up and it's "oh, great, lunchforthesky JR will tell us what he doesn't like and somehow mention a band no one is talking about in the process."

I have to disagree with this. Praetor seems very balanced to me and just seems to be into getting people into more obscure bands. He doesn't seem to be doing it for indie cred or any bullshit like that. Even though I admit I like Ben, Praetor really isn't like him that much. They might share some music tastes but Ben is very polarizing with his opinion while Praetor seems to just express it.

[Circa1628]

Oh haha I didn't read the whole thing.

On the topic of 3EB: I listened to Non-Dairy Creamer and I wasn't impressed (the lyrics threw me) - is Red Star better?
the lyrics are good. Actually listen to them. I like think Red Star and Why Can't You Be are better songs though. They are all great listen to the whole EP.

[Praetor]

after one or two listens I thought Non-Dairy was the best track (odd lyrics, but a classic 3EB hook), and that the other two were ok. worth a listen though. certainly not bad at all
I've listened to that track like ten times and I still don't 'get' those lyrics, haha. As far as I know the other two tracks will be on the full-length so I guess I'll wait 'til that leaks until I listen to them.

[Praetor]

And you guys should call me John. As I've said before I hate my username haha.

[live.]

Oh haha I didn't read the whole thing.

On the topic of 3EB: I listened to Non-Dairy Creamer and I wasn't impressed (the lyrics threw me) - is Red Star better?

The lyrics felt appropriate coming from Jenkins, so I'm not sure what you were expecting. I may be biased considering this was one of the first bands I've ever listened to, but I really enjoyed the EP.

[wroteurname]

I saw Ben's lack of avatar and little name and I was hoping for some epic argument, and I was disappointed, but not disappointed by "I've Got Friends"!!!!

[Jason Tate]

I have to disagree with this. Praetor seems very balanced to me and just seems to be into getting people into more obscure bands. He doesn't seem to be doing it for indie cred or any bullshit like that. Even though I admit I like Ben, Praetor really isn't like him that much. They might share some music tastes but Ben is very polarizing with his opinion while Praetor seems to just express it.
I'm not going to waste the time finding examples. But one that happens to come to mind:

I might start. Actually, forums being friendly is a downside to me - I love drama, haha.

[Circa1628]

The lyrics felt appropriate coming from Jenkins, so I'm not sure what you were expecting. I may be biased considering this was one of the first bands I've ever listened to, but I really enjoyed the EP.
Jenkins is an amazing lyricist

[Praetor]

I'm not going to waste the time finding examples. But one that happens to come to mind:
Yeah that came off a little wrong. My point was that I like that people disagree here as opposed to on AfterthePostRock when every single poster likes every single post-rock band in existence.

But I do love a little drama now and then, I won't deny that.

[Drew Beringer]

I want to hear this album so bad.

[Praetor]

Jenkins is an amazing lyricist
He writes some awesome lines but he's got some cringeworthy lines.

Awesome:

Visions of you on a motorcycle drive by,
The cigarette ash flies in your eyes, and you dont mind, you smile,
And say the world doesnt fit with you.
I dont believe you, youre so serene.
Careening through the universe, your axis on a tilt, youre guiltless and free,
I hope you take a piece of me with you
Not so awesome...:
Rich daddy left you with a parachute
Your voice sounds like money and your face is cute
But your daddy left you with no love
And you touch everything with the velvet glove
I want to hear this album so bad.
I can get behind this. One of my most anticipated despite a slow-growing first single.

[Circa1628]

say what you want about Jenkins, but do not talk trash about "Motorcycle Drive By" or anything off S/T for that matter

[live.]

Jenkins is an amazing lyricist

I agree. My point was that the lyrical style in "Non-Dairy Creamer" isn't much different than the way he usually writes. Can't wait for Ursa Major!

[Praetor]

say what you want about Jenkins, but do not talk trash about "Motorcycle Drive By" or anything off S/T for that matter
That is one hell of a song.

[Circa1628]

That is one hell of a song.
nevermind, I saw that you put awesome by MDB, I found it hard to believe you thought those were bad lyrics

[Circa1628]

I agree. My point was that the lyrical style in "Non-Dairy Creamer" isn't much different than the way he usually writes. Can't wait for Ursa Major!
Been waiting six years for Ursa Major!

[GuitarR0cker1]

I'm not going to waste the time finding examples. But one that happens to come to mind:
That does come across as pretty douchey but it really doesn't seem like he says stuff like that on a regular basis.

[micahistheballs]

Imagine what Tate can do with 6 months of clean streets now people. No mht or lunchforthesky around to kill everyone's moods with their oh so negative attitudes.
Get pumped people for the newfound optimism soon to be flooding the boards.

[JimGray]

it's a pretty good album. i don't know why the band doesn't seem to acknowledge it, they don't even have it listed in their discography. i really like She Found A Love and Anything Left.

Wikipedia says they had changed as people, and felt it didn't exist as their band, but another band. Whatever.

[chcougar1]

what the hell happened to the newspost with the link to the download for the single?!

[MyWorldEntire]

I've Got Friends is one of, if not the best song they have ever written. Between The Decemberists, mewithoutYou, and Manchester Orchestra, it's going to be a good spring for music.

[bouttogetfancy]

I've Got Friends is one of, if not the best song they have ever written. Between The Decemberists, mewithoutYou, and Manchester Orchestra, it's going to be a good spring for music.
you've sure got that right.

[Dr. Acula]

Imagine what Tate can do with 6 months of clean streets now people. No mht or lunchforthesky around to kill everyone's moods with their oh so negative attitudes.
Get pumped people for the newfound optimism soon to be flooding the boards.

My spidey sense is tingling. :spidey: Sarcasm Micah? Haha.

[puhffft]

what the hell happened to the newspost with the link to the download for the single?!
Here (http://www.spinner.com/2009/02/04/manchester-orchestra-ive-got-friends-mp3-exclusive/)'s a link to the article.

[micahistheballs]

My spidey sense is tingling. :spidey: Sarcasm Micah? Haha.
Yeah, I'm kind of pissed about the whole thing. They've been banned for such arbitrary bullshit too. It's like it was AP's New Year's resolution to get rid of them. Tate's obviously been wanting to get rid of Ben for a long time so it's not surprising, but really? Ben knows what he's talking about which is more than you can say about 90 percent of the trend hoppers curently inflitrating that boards.

[Dr. Acula]

Yeah, I'm kind of pissed about the whole thing. They've been banned for such arbitrary bullshit too. It's like it was AP's New Year's resolution to get rid of them. Tate's obviously been wanting to get rid of Ben for a long time so it's not surprising, but really? Ben knows what he's talking about which is more than you can say about 90 percent of the trend hoppers curently inflitrating that boards.

Am I allowed to ask what Ben got the ban for? haha.

[Jason Tate]

what the hell happened to the newspost with the link to the download for the single?!
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=848702

[chcougar1]

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=848702

Weird. I must have overlooked it, but I thought I has scanned the first two pages of news posts pretty well and it wasn't there. Then I did a news search for it and the most recent thing to come up was the news post about the preview of the song....any reason why that might have happened?

Thanks man.

[batmannj]

i just got into this band (thank God for this website) and its great. i seriously dont know what i would do without AP.net

[The Personist]

Love the new single; the album is going to be amazing.

[Lueda Alia]

Yeah that came off a little wrong. My point was that I like that people disagree here as opposed to on AfterthePostRock when every single poster likes every single post-rock band in existence.

But I do love a little drama now and then, I won't deny that.
Drama can be amusing, but some people really ruin these forums.

[Chris Fallon]

They've been banned for such arbitrary bullshit too.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

Ben knows what he's talking about which is more than you can say about 90 percent of the trend hoppers curently inflitrating that boards.
If you mean those who ride around with their heads so far up his ass, they believe his opinions are their own... then yes, you would be right!

[JimGray]

I did not realize Ben was gone, but I am very irritated about Mike being gone. Two great posters with legit opinions. Fucking eh.

[boxingwithstars]

Wikipedia says they had changed as people, and felt it didn't exist as their band, but another band. Whatever.

eh, makes sense i guess. to me it doesn't sound that much different from their debut, just obviously less polished. oh well, it's still good music.

[lolliot]

I wonder if an official thread filled with drama completely unrelated to their music is a sign of Manchester Orchestra really blowing up around here? It certainly brings the Brand New thread to mind.

I'm gonna help get the thread back on track, and post something that an official thread should be all about:

I lllllloooovvvveee Manchester Orchestra!

On another note, I've mentioned this in this and many other threads, but do anyone of those in contact with the band know if they are planning on doing a pre-order deal for the record? They should do it asap, in case it leaks. Just to make sure as many as possible purchase it before the temptation of acquiring it through shady methods appears.

[c_rob2700]

Yeah, I'm kind of pissed about the whole thing. They've been banned for such arbitrary bullshit too. It's like it was AP's New Year's resolution to get rid of them. Tate's obviously been wanting to get rid of Ben for a long time so it's not surprising, but really? Ben knows what he's talking about which is more than you can say about 90 percent of the trend hoppers curently inflitrating that boards.
Sure he knows what he's talking about, but you're probably 1/10 who actually care that he's banned. He's lost everyone else's respect by waltzing into every thread and proclaiming himself the messiah of music

[B-Bones]

Did lunchforthesky and mht really get banned for 6 months each? Is this Christmas?

[B-Bones]

Sure he knows what he's talking about, but you're probably 1/10 who actually care that he's banned. He's lost everyone else's respect by waltzing into every thread and proclaiming himself the messiah of music

I for one miss the bloke. Fish and Chips. Captain Music. Hahaha. JK I don't miss him. It's just a message board.

[JimGray]

I for one miss the bloke. Fish and Chips. Captain Music. Hahaha. JK I don't miss him. It's just a message board.

I have always (since you joined this site) wish you would be banned.

Edit: And that was when I was 13 and didn't know this site existed. I pre-hated you.

eh, makes sense i guess. to me it doesn't sound that much different from their debut, just obviously less polished. oh well, it's still good music.

It's a lot more poppy/catchy, less intense. I understand them wanting to move past it.

[Wolf Am I]

FUCKING LOVE THIS BAND, andy hull has taking max bemis's place as my favorite artsit. love the new song, and the angst im feeling in their new music.

[JimGray]

Andy Hull >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Max Bemis

[Wolf Am I]

well, yeah. thats what i just said. lol.

[TSLROCKS]

Did lunchforthesky and mht really get banned for 6 months each? Is this Christmas?

Haha when did this happen?

[Chris Fallon]

Did lunchforthesky and mht really get banned for 6 months each? Is this Christmas?
And who knows how long the holidays will last!

We don't need to bring it up a bazillion more times, but if you're gonna say shit to earn points... you'll eventually get booted. Their loss -- we have a good community here and they tarnished that with their attitudes. Even if Mike did have decent recs.

[B-Bones]

I have always (since you joined this site) wish you would be banned.

Edit: And that was when I was 13 and didn't know this site existed. I pre-hated you.


Sucks for you man. I'm a very well-behaved poster.

[B-Bones]

And who knows how long the holidays will last!

We don't need to bring it up a bazillion more times, but if you're gonna say shit to earn points... you'll eventually get booted. Their loss -- we have a good community here and they tarnished that with their attitudes. Even if Mike did have decent recs.


I can support mht's ban, but that's only becaue I'm the person who received more overtly personal attacks from him than probably anyone else.

[Chris Fallon]

I can support mht's ban, but that's only becaue I'm the person who received more overtly personal attacks from him than probably anyone else.
Yup, which isn't cool nor fair to you -- part of the reason he's no longer here.

[Circa1628]

Yup, which isn't cool nor fair to you -- part of the reason he's no longer here.
where does the line get crossed where people end up getting banned?

[B-Bones]

where does the line get crossed where people end up getting banned?

I think if it's questionable whether the line is being crossed, then you probably shouldn't post what you're thinking about posting, but I'm no mod.

[kearn1tm]

Lunchforthesky's username just opened up ... it's all yours if you want it. And that's not what I'm talking about -- I don't read anything you write or that site writes. I'm talking about how you've changed your personality on AP.net since the beginning.

Why are you insulting the site then, if you know nothing of the content?

[bowl of oranges]

Why are you insulting the site then, if you know nothing of the content?Superiority complex?

[kearn1tm]

Superiority complex?

Everyone's so quick to chastise Sun on the Sand and facetiously label us as "Pitchfork light" after reading a review or, even worse, not doing their research at all, simply because of writers like Ben, Vinh and myself being contributors. It's ridiculous. We have many talented writers authoring reviews, features and news that deserves attention, and to be ridiculed without even a look is absurd and insulting.

[bowl of oranges]

Everyone's so quick to chastise Sun on the Sand and facetiously label us as "Pitchfork light" after reading a review or, even worse, not doing their research at all, simply because of writers like Ben, Vinh and myself being contributors. It's ridiculous. We have many talented writers authoring reviews, features and news that deserves attention, and to be ridiculed without even a look is absurd and insulting.I want to write for you guys, any openings?
I'd send a sample review, of course.

[kearn1tm]

I want to write for you guys, any openings?
I'd send a sample review, of course.

We're always looking for new people. Ben created the site. I'd suggest getting ahold of him.

[bowl of oranges]

We're always looking for new people. Ben created the site. I'd suggest getting ahold of him.Alright. Will do.

[MyWorldEntire]

Alright. Will do.

just write a review for an album of your choosing (doesn't have to be a new album) I will send you a pm with Ben's email address so you can send the review to him.

[JimGray]

Sucks for you man. I'm a very well-behaved poster.

I was kidding. I don't know you haha.

[Chris Fallon]

where does the line get crossed where people end up getting banned?
All you have to do is follow rules. They aren't difficult to avoid -- don't be dumb, really. If you're going to talk shit to staff/website, insult people for no good reason, spam/troll or post links to album leaks... well, you won't last long.

As far as I have seen, you behave. Keep on doing what you do -- come in, discuss with friends and have fun.

[Jason Tate]

All you have to do is follow rules. They aren't difficult to avoid -- don't be dumb, really. If you're going to talk shit to staff/website, insult people for no good reason, spam/troll or post links to album leaks... well, you won't last long.

As far as I have seen, you behave. Keep on doing what you do -- come in, discuss with friends and have fun.
Pretty simple.

[JimGray]

Not to sound like a dick/criticize, but ever since the double ban-hammer, it really seems like there is some tension between staff and users.

I am not referring to my newly acquired points either, as those were totally legit. My apologies etc etc, but still, its weird lately.

[Jason Tate]

Not to sound like a dick/criticize, but ever since the double ban-hammer, it really seems like there is some tension between staff and users.

I am not referring to my newly acquired points either, as those were totally legit. My apologies etc etc, but still, its weird lately.
Most users have been very thankful. I've gotten so many PMs from people saying they finally want to post in the forums again. I don't see the tension. :shrug:

[c_rob2700]

I think it's just odd to some of the older members. Hence, why about 8 of the regulars are currently banned. Personally, I don't mind it

[Jason Tate]

I think it's just odd to some of the older members. Hence, why about 8 of the regulars are currently banned. Personally, I don't mind it
They thought they were untouchable.

[c_rob2700]

They thought they were untouchable.
Pretty much. I mean, like I've said before, I don't mind most of them. Just lunchforthesky, so glad he's gone. He brings the mood down in every single thread he's in

[kearn1tm]

Why are you insulting the site then, if you know nothing of the content?

I understand this is Manchester Orchestra's thread, so this isn't the most appropriate place to pose this question, but it's also the thread in which the site was berated, so again, I ask, why insult Sun on the Sand without reading its content? Such attacks come across as petty. If there was constructive criticism involved, I'd understand, but it isn't.

[IWasaCamera]

Everyone's so quick to chastise Sun on the Sand and facetiously label us as "Pitchfork light" after reading a review or, even worse, not doing their research at all, simply because of writers like Ben, Vinh and myself being contributors. It's ridiculous. We have many talented writers authoring reviews, features and news that deserves attention, and to be ridiculed without even a look is absurd and insulting.
Amen.

[Wolf Am I]

why do people get soo hurt over words said on the interwebz

[kearn1tm]

Amen.

Hey, shouldn't you be picking up your soy latte, hipster?!

[kearn1tm]

why do people get soo hurt over words said on the interwebz

...because Manchester Orchestra taught me music could be about emotions.

[IWasaCamera]

Hey, shouldn't you be picking up your soy latte, hipster?!
Nah, goes right to my thighs.

[Wolf Am I]

...because Manchester Orchestra taught me music could be about emotions.

http://blog.pharmalive.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/o_rly.jpg

[Wolf Am I]

i just read the two tongues review on yalls site, and completely agree btw

[kearn1tm]

Nah, goes right to my thighs.

Gotta stay slim for those tight jeans?

[IWasaCamera]

Gotta stay slim for those tight jeans?
Conformity > sustenance. Priorities.

[kearn1tm]

Conformity > sustenance. Priorities.

They can blend together. Vegan lifestyle?

[Jason Tate]

Why are you insulting the site then, if you know nothing of the content?
Don't read doesn't mean "didn't read."

[IWasaCamera]

They can blend together. Vegan lifestyle?
How passe.

[kearn1tm]

Don't read doesn't mean "didn't read."

I'm assuming the reviews. Sun on the Sand features a variety of reviewers, each with their own respective taste and writing style. Each reviewer has an idiosyncratic "voice" and we review a plethora of varieties. So, what I'm asking is, what about the site provoked such hostility? Why not constructive criticism as opposed to cheap shots. It's childish.

[The Personist]

I'm assuming the reviews. Sun on the Sand features a variety of reviewers, each with their own respective taste and writing style. Each reviewer has an idiosyncratic "voice" and we review a plethora of varieties. So, what I'm asking is, what about the site provoked such hostility? Why not constructive criticism as opposed to cheap shots. It's childish.

I went to the site and thought it looked like a pitchfork knockoff :shrug:

lol plethora of varieties. Redundant reiteration?

[underthetalking]

I still don't see how that website is a "Pitchfork knockoff".

[The Personist]

The general layout. It felt like pitchfork.

[Jason Tate]

I'm assuming the reviews. Sun on the Sand features a variety of reviewers, each with their own respective taste and writing style. Each reviewer has an idiosyncratic "voice" and we review a plethora of varieties. So, what I'm asking is, what about the site provoked such hostility? Why not constructive criticism as opposed to cheap shots. It's childish.
Why the hostilities? Because of the shit Ben pulled on our reviewers for years before turning around and making that "review" site and publishing what he has so far. Deserves every inch of hostility.

Plenty of constructive criticism was given months ago ... instead Ben decided to talk shit to the staff giving him advice. Seems like you're just not in the loop.

[kearn1tm]

I went to the site and thought it looked like a pitchfork knockoff :shrug:

lol plethora of varieties. Redundant reiteration?

I wrote it fast.

How is it a Pitchfork knockoff? Elaborate, please.

[Jason Tate]

I wrote it fast.

How is it a Pitchfork knockoff? Elaborate, please.
Read Animal Collective review.

Read Ben's description of why they score/post the way they do.

Read same news/opinion on Pitchforkmedia.com.

Repeat.

[kearn1tm]

Why the hostilities? Because of the shit Ben pulled on our reviewers for years before turning around and making that "review" site and publishing what he has so far. Deserves every inch of hostility.

Ben isn't the only reviewer. There's a wide variety of them. In fact, I'm very proud of my Ugly Organ review (http://sunonthesand.net/?p=1232). Why let Ben's reputation taint your entire perspective of Sun on the Sand?

Plenty of constructive criticism was given months ago ... instead Ben decided to talk shit to the staff giving him advice. Seems like you're just not in the loop.

It would appear so. Link?