Mainstream...

[AlwaysPunkin45]

Why is everyone that is into punk music so anti-mainstream it pisses me off.

[punkisdead]

Everybody likes something in the mainstream they just say they dont to look cool.

[mirtizzle]

i think there are two parts to mainstream... marketing ploys and musicians that have worked their asses off. the marketing ploys irritate me, but i have a lot of respect for the good musicians...

[Milonater]

Mainstream isn't bad - until it starts exploiting our music, our fasion, and starts bringing 13 year old bimbos to shows who only go to pick up guys because it's the "cool thing to do". They expect local bands to sound like simple plan and get pissed when they don't.

[AlwaysPunkin45]

...pisses me off

[nards228]

I don't know about thirteen-year-old girls getting pissed off or trying to pick up guys at concerts, but I would agree that there is something annoying about this genre of music suddenly jumping into the spotlight.

It'll be a sad day when MTV has chewed up and spit out punk rock (in all its forms) and moved on to the next big thing.

Why is everyone that is into punk music so anti-mainstream it pisses me off.
Agreed - there are some really stupid old YC fans who absolutely despise anybody who became a YC fan after "Ocean Avenue" was released. It seems that many people think that if you haven't known about a band for more than two years, you aren't cool.

Personally, I'd think that fans would be glad to welcome new members into the fold. People like Poor Excuse, with his rambling about various bands selling out, annoy the hell out of me.



Rennard

[Milonater]

Mr. Alwayspunkin - it pisses you off that I don't enjoy my music becoming the "in-thing"? It pisses you off that I'm upset that music companies have realized there is money to be had in punk music, and have begun exploiting it, producing a nation of avril lavigne wanna-be's? It pisses YOU off that I don't enjoy the fact that the way I dress used to set me apart from people, but now I can't leave the house without being asked if I like Good Charlotte and Not by Choice, accompanied by moronic laughter?

Good to know.

[nards228]

I'm not so sure that that's what he's saying. We've had threads similar to this in the past about the concept of selling out, and the general consensus seemed to be that if you really like the music, you shouldn't mind the band becoming popular. And in this world, becoming popular means making money, and making money means selling more merch, getting more CDs out there, and so on.

If you're just into the music for the fashion statement, then I guess it's fine to be upset about music becoming mainstream. Not that you are, that's just my perception of the situation.



Rennard

[MaybeOneDay]

Originally posted by Milonater
Mr. Alwayspunkin - it pisses you off that I don't enjoy my music becoming the "in-thing"? It pisses you off that I'm upset that music companies have realized there is money to be had in punk music, and have begun exploiting it, producing a nation of avril lavigne wanna-be's? It pisses YOU off that I don't enjoy the fact that the way I dress used to set me apart from people, but now I can't leave the house without being asked if I like Good Charlotte and Not by Choice, accompanied by moronic laughter?

Good to know.

you have a used avatar ? they are now mainstream. live with the whole concept of punk and its sub genres becoming popular all of a sudden. who the fuck cares. and frankly, its pointless to complain or be pissed off about it.

and seriously, why did you need to bring not by choice into this discussion ? those guys are some of my closest friends. i grew up with them and im extremely happy about their success.

[Milonater]

Pardon me, did I ever say I wasn't allwoed to enjoy a band that was mainstream? Remember their roots, they didn't start there.

And Not By Choice, I respect your friendship with them, but their music...not..good. I'm not looking for a fight here, don't bring me one.

[MaybeOneDay]

Nor did Not By Choice. Do you think they just became mainstream in a matter of seconds ? Fuck, dude I remember them playing my local town fair each year for gods sake. Good times, and im happy for them.

I'm not looking to start a fight here either, as I have no doubt in my mind that I would win.

[Milonater]

Nobody would win, what would happen is we'd get in a pointless argument over why I think they're nothing special or new, and you'd defend them beacuse they are your friends. And since arguing is not big on my list, I'd really rather not.

- by the way, I edited out my stupid comment. Of course the used wasn't always mainstream, I worded it wrong. No band was always mainstream, it's all gotta start somewhere.

[nards228]

MaybeOneDay is a pimp, and I have full confidence in his ability to kick the shit out of you in an argument. No offense intended.



Rennard

[MaybeOneDay]

Originally posted by nards228
MaybeOneDay is a pimp, and I have full confidence in his ability to kick the shit out of you in an argument. No offense intended.



Rennard

Hah. Thank You.


But really, I don't want to argue. It's cool if he doesn't like NBC, thats his opinion. But personally, I do enjoy their music. However, my opinion may be a tad biased. But yeah, heh, thanks.

[Milonater]

Dear Rennard: You're silly.
There's nothing to be argued here since it is a matter of opinion.
Good try though.

Love,
Milonater

[MaybeOneDay]

In all curiosity, this has nothing to do with the topic by the way, but what does Milonater mean ?

[Milonater]

Absolutely nothing.
I had a band called Milo once. I've always liked it since Milo sounds like a cool name, for reasons I can't explain.
I added the nator in because the name "milo" was already taken.
I guess I could make some dumb thing up, like
"Yeah, MILONATOR like TERMINATOR" or something, but thatg would just be retarded.

[MaybeOneDay]

hah, alright..makes sense.

[justcallmeliz]

yeahi dont know why that is but i do like stuff that isnt really considered mainstream but i will still listen to stuff on the radio and mtv but i can see why it pisses you off.

[AlwaysPunkin45]

Originally posted by Milonater
Mr. Alwayspunkin - it pisses you off that I don't enjoy my music becoming the "in-thing"? It pisses you off that I'm upset that music companies have realized there is money to be had in punk music, and have begun exploiting it, producing a nation of avril lavigne wanna-be's? It pisses YOU off that I don't enjoy the fact that the way I dress used to set me apart from people, but now I can't leave the house without being asked if I like Good Charlotte and Not by Choice, accompanied by moronic laughter?

Good to know. no....you piss me off..

[Milonater]

Wow, that's new.
Because I've totally taken shots at you, called you names, and belittled you, haven't I?

[AlwaysPunkin45]

Also, Milonater...Being different shouldn't mean that you have to wear certain clothes and listen to music that isn't as popular as Britney Spears and/or Justin Timberlake, it should mean that you yourself are different from other people. (Personalitywise, that is...)

[AlwaysPunkin45]

Originally posted by Milonater
Wow, that's new.
Because I've totally taken shots at you, called you names, and belittled you, haven't I? Dude you can belittle me all you want but you're as big of a poser as Avril Lavigne is..

[Milonater]

Wow Alwayspunkin, this is really great.
because I happen to disagree with you on an issue, I've suddenly become a huge jerk to you, who has done all sorts of horrid and mean things. That post was riddled with sarcasm.

I have a different personality. I am an individual, you fricking tool.
Only a conformist goes with every single trend that comes along, an individual looks to stand out, and make a difference, so pelase don't pretend like you know ANYTHING about individualism, thanks.

I'm a poser? Let's see your proof! Last time I checked, only posers called people posers.

P.S. you just justified all of my points by referring to avril lavigne?
Is she a poser because she is mainstream? I think you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, captain contradictions.

[Poor Excuse]

Originally posted by nards228

Agreed - there are some really stupid old YC fans who absolutely despise anybody who became a YC fan after "Ocean Avenue" was released. It seems that many people think that if you haven't known about a band for more than two years, you aren't cool.


Rennard

listen chump maybe if you had heard of yellowcard before they hit mtv2 you would be pissed at all the teenyboppers jumping on the bandwagon.. but maybe youre not pissed because YOU ARE THE TEENYBOPPER.


anyone 17 and under (yea that includes you CANUCK) is a teenybopping bandwagon poser.

all you **** talking about OMG I WANT MY HAIR LIKE TOM DELONGE OMG I WANT MY HAIR LIKE ADAM LAZARRA please jump off a fucking cliff because YOU are whats wrong with the scene.

and im not some elitest bitch because i love all punk, pop punk emo screamo political.. but you teenyboppers are whats wrong.. go listen to limp bizkit ****

[Milonater]

Dear Poor Excuse:

Please never reproduce.

[unsung_zero02]

limp bizkit sucks

[AlwaysPunkin45]

eh?

[AlwaysPunkin45]

Originally posted by Poor Excuse
listen chump maybe if you had heard of yellowcard before they hit mtv2 you would be pissed at all the teenyboppers jumping on the bandwagon.. but maybe youre not pissed because YOU ARE THE TEENYBOPPER.


anyone 17 and under (yea that includes you CANUCK) is a teenybopping bandwagon poser.

all you **** talking about OMG I WANT MY HAIR LIKE TOM DELONGE OMG I WANT MY HAIR LIKE ADAM LAZARRA please jump off a fucking cliff because YOU are whats wrong with the scene.

and im not some elitest bitch because i love all punk, pop punk emo screamo political.. but you teenyboppers are whats wrong.. go listen to limp bizkit **** I don't like you and you post too much...:p

[Milonater]

Said the boy who couldn't use the edit button.

[takingbackSVR]

Originally posted by Milonater
Dear Poor Excuse:

Please never reproduce.

HAHAHAHA..

yeah seriously... no semen, no semen..

[MaybeOneDay]

Originally posted by Poor Excuse
listen chump maybe if you had heard of yellowcard before they hit mtv2 you would be pissed at all the teenyboppers jumping on the bandwagon.. but maybe youre not pissed because YOU ARE THE TEENYBOPPER.


anyone 17 and under (yea that includes you CANUCK) is a teenybopping bandwagon poser.

all you **** talking about OMG I WANT MY HAIR LIKE TOM DELONGE OMG I WANT MY HAIR LIKE ADAM LAZARRA please jump off a fucking cliff because YOU are whats wrong with the scene.

and im not some elitest bitch because i love all punk, pop punk emo screamo political.. but you teenyboppers are whats wrong.. go listen to limp bizkit ****

Like i've said countless times before, the sad thing is, it's true. My age, is higher than your IQ.

However, the thing I don't get is, how you can insult people just because they're younger than you. So basically what your saying is, if you were the EXACT same person you are right now, but a couple years younger or so, you'd be a "teenybopper ******" too? Hmm, makes sense. Becuases that's exactly what you are, a ******.

But what really makes me laugh, is that your post contained some of the worst gramatical/spelling errors I have ever seen. In all honesty, I don't believe you say how old you are. And in fact, I strongly believe you are an 11 year old child who joined the circus and immigrated to Texas from Albania. Either way, you're still a homosexual.

[AlwaysPunkin45]

Originally posted by Milonater
Said the boy who couldn't use the edit button. EH?

[Milonater]

Dear alwayspunkin:
Do you have something against Canadians?

[unsung_zero02]

Originally posted by Milonater
Dear alwayspunkin:
Do you have something against Canadians?



i thought it was poor excuse who had something against canadians....?

[Milonater]

Judging by alwayspunken's use of the word "Eh" everytime he lacks something hlaf intelligent to say.

[AlwaysPunkin45]

Oh I wish, then I could live among the Canadian people in peace and harmony

[AlwaysPunkin45]

Originally posted by Milonater
Judging by alwayspunken's use of the word "Eh" everytime he lacks something hlaf intelligent to say. I don't have to have somethin intelligent to say I don't have anything to prove to you. Unless I want to be respected as a cool forum guy.

[Milonater]

I didn't ask you to prove anything.


P.S. Still hate me, foo?

[Poor Excuse]

Originally posted by AlwaysPunkin45
Oh I wish, then I could live among the Canadian people in peace and harmony

haha that made me laugh gj

[Milonater]

Dear poor excuse:

Grow some balls. Thanks.

[towhatend]

Originally posted by Milonater
I didn't ask you to prove anything.


P.S. Still hate me, foo?

why did you edit that? you did vebally bitch slap him and it was cool.

[Milonater]

I'm trying my best to be nice.
I agree, I did. But I felt that telling him so would not be in order.

[AlwaysPunkin45]

Originally posted by Poor Excuse
haha that made me laugh gj Don't talk to me

[AlwaysPunkin45]

Originally posted by Milonater
I'm trying my best to be nice.
I agree, I did. But I felt that telling him so would not be in order. Say what you wanna say guy

[AlwaysPunkin45]

It's not going to embarass me any, I'm in a forum, I could care less...just keep 'bashing' me all you want and feel respected among the other forum people!:rolleyes:

[Milonater]

Buddy, I never bashed you without purpose. You threw the first stone. I'm not here to fight, I'm actually a pretty nice guy, and I could care less what forum credibility I have.


P.S. You compared me toavril and called me a poser.

[towhatend]

by calling us forum people, are you trying to say that you're better than us? because if so, may i ask why you're here?

[nards228]

Only a conformist goes with every single trend that comes along, an individual looks to stand out, and make a difference, so pelase don't pretend like you know ANYTHING about individualism, thanks.
An individual doesn't give a fuck about standing out. An individual does his own thing regardless of what the pack is doing.

And Milonater - your repeated slanders against homosexuals are immature. If you want to insult somebody, find a more creative way to do it than "******," "homosexual," "queer," or "gay." That'd be a step in the right direction in proving that young age and immaturity are not directly related.



Rennard

[Milonater]

Dear Rennard:

First of all, we talked about this.

Secondly:
I can't find ONCE in this whole damn post where I said anything about homosexuals, so get off your damn soap box, before I kick it out from under you. It has become part of the social norm to call someone a *** when they are being an idiot, I don't even associate it to homosexual people, and don't even TRY to play innocent, in real life let's face it, you've called someone a ***. Prove me wrong, I dare you. Seriously.
Pull the log out of your eye before trying to help me with the twig in mine. In plain english: you're not perfect. So can it.

Thirdly: I don't refute the fact that an individualist does not care about the pack - to an extent. When the pack starts to copy the individualist, I think he's allowed to be rather pissed.

You like to pretend you're the authority on everything.
I make myself look like a jerk everytime I counter attack your endless bull shit. For the sake of mine and your reputation, never make reference to me again. I'm here to have fun and chat, not engage in a piss fest. I don't care if you have other plans.

[nards228]

First of all - my deepest apologies to Milonater. It was MaybeOneDay who posted about the "****" and whatnot. So Milo, that's why I thought you were being an idiot, talking about how mature you were and then saying stuff like that.

Becuases that's exactly what you are, a ******.
Either way, you're still a homosexual.
Just seems a little immature to me. And Milo - regardless of whether or not YOU associate that word with homosexuality, it still has that denotation, so it isn't your right to use it any way you like. You have to keep in mind the idea that it can and will offend some people. Not that you do.

If it seems like my "endless bullshit" is an attempt to bring you down, you're wrong in thinking that. I have nothing against you personally. You take things a little too personally and a little too seriously sometimes, that's all.



Rennard

[Milonater]

Dear Rennard:
Well, I'm glad we clarified this.
I have nothing against you personally either.
I believe it is fully possible to use the word "***" and not mean a homosexual person, but that's just me.

For the record - Ignore my PM.

I don't think I take things too personally. I know a blatant attack when I see one, in this case it was my mistake.
Let's all be friends.

[nards228]

I believe it is fully possible to use the word "***" and not mean a homosexual person, but that's just me.

You're right, that is just you. There is no way you can use the word "***" as "stupid" without offending homosexuals. That'd be like me saying "Chinese" to mean "ugly" or "Mexican" to mean "unintelligent." You may not mean anything other than "ugly" or "unintelligent," but what you're doing is you're associating that particular group of people with that particular negative word.

Note: I don't mean anything by those two comments, just throwing random examples of what I'm trying to say out there.



Rennard

[nards228]

Milonater -

Just for the record, here's a comment you made while attacking Poor Excuse (which I endorse):

Number of members who think poor excuse is a ***: 100%.
Just thought I'd point it out.



Rennard

[mikeduin620]

Originally posted by nards228
You're right, that is just you. There is no way you can use the word "***" as "stupid" without offending homosexuals. That'd be like me saying "Chinese" to mean "ugly" or "Mexican" to mean "unintelligent." You may not mean anything other than "ugly" or "unintelligent," but what you're doing is you're associating that particular group of people with that particular negative word.

Note: I don't mean anything by those two comments, just throwing random examples of what I'm trying to say out there.



Rennard

Rennard, don't get all high and mighty here you little homo. You say gay and *** all the time, you queer. Frankly, I find blatantly offensive homosexual insults to be quite amusing, and I support maybeoneday's use of such remarks. ***.

[unsung_zero02]

Originally posted by mikeduin620
Rennard, don't get all high and mighty here you little homo. You say gay and *** all the time, you queer. Frankly, I find blatantly offensive homosexual insults to be quite amusing, and I support maybeoneday's use of such remarks. ***.


:confused:

[MaybeOneDay]

Originally posted by nards228
An individual doesn't give a fuck about standing out. An individual does his own thing regardless of what the pack is doing.


Rennard


That's exactly right.

[MaybeOneDay]

Oh, and just to clear up any confusion, if any of you are wondering why I used such terms (gay, ***, etc.), it is because I strongly believe Poor Excuse IS a homosexual.

[mirtizzle]

i'm disappointed in this argument... you can all use your extensive vocabularies to state your points clearly, yet you can't seem to stay away from childish homophobic insults.... grow up.

[MaybeOneDay]

Originally posted by mirtizzle
i'm disappointed in this argument... you can all use your extensive vocabularies to state your points clearly, yet you can't seem to stay away from childish homophobic insults.... grow up.

eat

my

fuck.




how's that for an extensive vocabulary ?

[Alex Djaferis]

i used to throw around words like "gay" and "***" around all the time...but i dontknow. one of my good friends is gay...and one is Bi...and i dono i talked ot them about it, and since then out of respect for them i try and use different words..altho "***" still comes out of me alot...
but yeah my 3cents worth.

[mirtizzle]

Originally posted by MaybeOneDay
eat

my

fuck.




how's that for an extensive vocabulary ?



very nice. hope you're proud of yourself.

[MaybeOneDay]

Originally posted by mirtizzle
very nice. hope you're proud of yourself.

you better believe it.

[AlwaysPunkin45]

Originally posted by MaybeOneDay
eat

my

fuck.




how's that for an extensive vocabulary ? can't we all just, get along?

[AlwaysPunkin45]

My prediction is 6 years from now if you look in the dictionary gay will mean 1. (see homosexuality) 2. happy 3. Stupid

[towhatend]

why 6 years?

[Milonater]

Dear Rennard: SMASH THUD CRASH.
That was the sound of me kicking your soap box out from under you. Don't try to tell me you've never called someone a ***, kapeesh?

[mirtizzle]

Originally posted by MaybeOneDay
you better believe it.

oh, i couldn't believe otherwise...


i'm still trying to figure out how to "eat your fuck," by the way.

[nards228]

Milonater -

What I do has absolutely nothing to do with you. Don't try to shift attention from you by displacing it on to me, or anybody else. I'm just pointing out an instance where you used the word "gay" to mean "stupid," when you had just posted that you've never done such a thing.

Again, stop taking things so personally.



Rennard

[Milonater]

Dear Rennard: I didn't take it personally.
I just find it interesting you are so quick to point out where I've done something "wrong", when everyone's human.

[mikeduin620]

Originally posted by mikeduin620
Rennard, don't get all high and mighty here you little homo. You say gay and *** all the time, you queer. Frankly, I find blatantly offensive homosexual insults to be quite amusing, and I support maybeoneday's use of such remarks. ***.

Just for the record...this post was a joke, which I'm not sure if anyone really understood. Plus rennard has called me a *** thousands of times in the past ten years, so I was attempting to make fun of him at the same time. Whatever.

[unsung_zero02]

Originally posted by mikeduin620
Just for the record...this post was a joke, which I'm not sure if anyone really understood. Plus rennard has called me a *** thousands of times in the past ten years, so I was attempting to make fun of him at the same time. Whatever.

hehe. yeah i know..but you sounded so serious i believed that you hated him....:)

[nards228]

Duin and I share a very special love. If you can't handle it, hang yourself.

Duin: :lips:



Rennard

[MaybeOneDay]

whoa whoa....and where do i stand in this "special love" ?

i wanna be a homosexual too!




;)

[Alex Djaferis]

Originally posted by MaybeOneDay
whoa whoa....and where do i stand in this "special love" ?

i wanna be a homosexual too!




;)


call me when that happens brandon ;) .....hahaha

[MaybeOneDay]

haha, will do PD...will do..;)

[DaveySxe]

Originally posted by nards228



Agreed - there are some really stupid old YC fans who absolutely despise anybody who became a YC fan after "Ocean Avenue" was released. It seems that many people think that if you haven't known about a band for more than two years, you aren't cool.

Personally, I'd think that fans would be glad to welcome new members into the fold. People like Poor Excuse, with his rambling about various bands selling out, annoy the hell out of me.



Rennard

Same thing with us AFI fans. a lot of us older fans resent the new fans that came with their newfound successes in the mainstream, but you cant blame us for hating some of the fans. theyre so "OOO DAVEY IS SO CUTE!!!" It's very teeny-bopperish and its very annoying. Its as if they dont know what the band stands for or what they mean to people.

[jgirv17]

you would think, though, that every true fan would love to see new fans. even if they seem teeny boppish, who cares? its helping a favorite band of yours keep on doing what they love...and that should be all that matters to you.

i can understand people who dislike bands that "sell out" (although personally, i would do so in a minute if i had the chance, so long as it didnt, like, break some of my moral standpoints) but i dont see why someone else cant like the same music you do.

[takingbackrufio]

Originally posted by jgirv17
you would think, though, that every true fan would love to see new fans. even if they seem teeny boppish, who cares? its helping a favorite band of yours keep on doing what they love...and that should be all that matters to you.

i can understand people who dislike bands that "sell out" (although personally, i would do so in a minute if i had the chance, so long as it didnt, like, break some of my moral standpoints) but i dont see why someone else cant like the same music you do.

I think, by new fans, they mean people who hear one song and then think the band is their favourite, go to their show, and try and act like their punk. You can't be punk after hearing one song. It's just like for any other genre, to be punk you need to respect the music, respect the lyrics, and listen to the songs frequently. Personally, I listen to music like most people watch TV. The only time I'm not listening to music is when I'm sleeping or in that teacher's class who doesn't let you listen to your discman. If music is good, then I'll listen to it. Hardcore, Pop-Punk, Acoustic Punk. I'm not saying that I'm punk, because I can't judge myself, but if other people want to look at me like that, fine by me.

If I go to a Yellowcard show and am standing next to a 13 year old who is singing along word by word and screaming out what the next song will be, I'm okay with that, the kid likes the music obviously if he's singing along, and he listens to the music almost as much as I do. But if I go to a show and there's a 13 year old who is like 'what the fuck is this song?' when something other than Way Away comes on, I don't think that person should be there, and I don't think that person is really a fan.

[jgirv17]

Originally posted by takingbackrufio
I think, by new fans, they mean people who hear one song and then think the band is their favourite, go to their show, and try and act like their punk. You can't be punk after hearing one song. It's just like for any other genre, to be punk you need to respect the music, respect the lyrics, and listen to the songs frequently. Personally, I listen to music like most people watch TV. The only time I'm not listening to music is when I'm sleeping or in that teacher's class who doesn't let you listen to your discman. If music is good, then I'll listen to it. Hardcore, Pop-Punk, Acoustic Punk. I'm not saying that I'm punk, because I can't judge myself, but if other people want to look at me like that, fine by me.

If I go to a Yellowcard show and am standing next to a 13 year old who is singing along word by word and screaming out what the next song will be, I'm okay with that, the kid likes the music obviously if he's singing along, and he listens to the music almost as much as I do. But if I go to a show and there's a 13 year old who is like 'what the fuck is this song?' when something other than Way Away comes on, I don't think that person should be there, and I don't think that person is really a fan.

ok, i admit, thats annoying...id be lying if i said otherwise.

but still, in the interest of the bands continuing to make some money from what they do and, in turn, being able to make more music...those fans are needed.

plus, i wouldnt even call them fans...id consider them more like record sales....since thats about all theyre going to do.

[Poor Excuse]

sublime sold out

[jgirv17]

Originally posted by Poor Excuse
sublime sold out

dude, i dont care....ive made it clear many times i have nothing against selling out. why should that affect whether or not you like the music?

[Poor Excuse]

it was a joke