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TheOtherAndrew

11/27/07, 06:51 PM

NOFX - They've Actually Gotten Worse Live!
Record Label: Fat Wreck Chords
Release Date: November 20, 2007

Entertainers everywhere take notice: performing while intoxicated might be fun, but if you're looking to put on a decent show, its best to avoid having more than two drinks before hitting the stage. This is something punk veterans NOFX don't care about one way or another; the band is known to play while so drunk they can barely stand. They didn't even bother to sober up before recording their new live record, They've Actually Gotten Worse Live!, a fact which singer/bassist Fat Mike proudly announces before the band begins playing. They may not be concerned that they're too fucked up to play properly, but this doesn't change that almost every song is characterized by slurred lyrics, off-key singing and out-of-time playing. Thus, the real entertaining moments on this album are the in-between song banter, and not the songs themselves.

The songs themselves include classics from the band's back catalog such as "The Longest Line" and "Green Corn," new and rare songs such as "What Now My Love," "I, Melvin," and staples of NOFX shows such as "Murder the Government" and "Franco Un-American," all of which are sloppy and poorly played. How clear their drunkenness is varies from track to track, but it absolutely plagues "What's the Matter With Parents Today," during which the band constantly struggles to maintain a steady rhythm. A few songs, like "Lori Myers" and "Eat the Meek,” manage to do justice to their original versions, but overall the band makes little effort to play any of the songs that well, with Fat Mike making confessions along the lines of "there's no fucking way we're going to play this right" before several tracks. Guitarist El Hefe even asks "What key is this in again?" before one song. Most bands would be smart enough to not release a live record they made while drunk and unprepared, but NOFX, for some reason, have chosen to do so.

One notable aspect of the album is the band has taken certain songs from their catalog and reworked them. While this is a nice concept, it turns out to be very hit-or-miss. Songs such as "Whoops I OD'd" and "Scavenger Type" that were previously slow, acoustic-based songs have been changed into fast paced punk songs. The problem is, what made these songs work was the dark vibe and simplicity they had in their original incarnations. Performing these with lightning-fast tempos takes away what made them special in the first place, and as a result they sound very similar to other songs in the band's catalog (the new version of "Scavenger Type" even steals its opening riff from "Medio-core," a cut from 2003's The War on Errorism). On the other hand, "We March to the Beat of Indifferent Drum," a song from 2006's Wolves in Wolves Clothing, which was originally a fast paced punk rock song, has been changed to a reggae/dub song. This works very well, and is a shining example of the group's all too seldom used ability to play this style of music. In fact, it winds up as likely the best part of the record, even surpassing the original version of the song. "Stickin' in My Eye," a classic song from 1992's White Trash, Two Heebs, and a Bean, is mostly unchanged, except guitarist Eric Melvin is now on lead vocals. This is a nice touch; the song sounds like it was written precisely for his vocal range.

Despite the occasional interesting portion, there's really no reason for this record to exist. It should have been scrapped the minute the band members sobered up enough to realize the album they had just recorded was awful. It pains me to say that, as I've been a fan of NOFX for years, but I know a bad performance when I hear it. The band seems to embrace the sloppiness of the record, even going so far as to put out a press release describing They've Actually Gotten Worse Live! as the "sloppiest, drunkest, funniest, best sounding recording ever." Sloppiest, drunkest, and funniest definitely apply here, but best sounding? Not a chance. This band can do better.

“We March to the Beat of Indifferent Drum,” “Stickin' in My Eye,” “Lori Meyers”

TheOtherAndrew

12/01/07, 02:50 PM

Weird, this is my second review in a row where I gave the album a 59%.

Adrian Villagomez

12/01/07, 02:52 PM

You're such a jerk - always giving out low scores.

TheOtherAndrew

12/01/07, 02:56 PM

haha the review i'm working on now will have a higher one. promise.

HangsLikeHeaven

12/01/07, 07:17 PM

Hahaha, sweet review, Andrew.

TheOtherAndrew

12/01/07, 07:21 PM

:bow:

Karl Hansen

12/01/07, 08:11 PM

Being a long term NOFX fan (11 years......damn time moves fast) i would have to say that this release is kind of disapointing. But so is every other live album released today. Why the hell do you release an ALBUM when you can take the effort, and film a DVD, which will make fans much more happy, and pirates much less likely to steal and copy......... weird.

Nonetheless, this record is not great. Period. I do however feel the reviewer miscredit the band waaaaay too much. Guessing he doesn't play an instrument himself, NOFX puts on a hell of a show every night. Them being drunk is a part of it, as well as playing some of the songs "sloppy" ( I wouldn't use that term. Pete Wentz is a truly sloppy bass player, Fat Mike is just kinda drunk). Sure, No Use For A Name is the best live band I've seen in terms of tight playing and sounding like "on the album", but on this recording i think NOFX are close.

My main problem with this release, despite from it not being a DVD, is the fact that it lacks inspiration. The original NOFX live album "I heard they suck live" is to day perhaps the best Live album, because of the sheer energy of the songs, and the variations from the Album versions. This new one sounds like all of the other Live albums from the "Live in a dive" series which menas the sound quality is perfect, but the energy is lacking.

Blah blah blah... I'm fucked up :) Just feel it isn't right to miscredit NOFX for doing what they do "every" night - getting drunk and putting on a good show. Growing up doesn't have to mean growing boring!

Karl Hansen

12/01/07, 08:14 PM

BTW I wouldn't say the reviewer is a jerk...far from it actually..but I do think this was a poor review.

TheOtherAndrew

12/01/07, 08:23 PM

AP_Punk

12/01/07, 10:57 PM

I enjoyed it. Andrew's a poser. :-D

TheOtherAndrew

12/02/07, 12:13 AM

I enjoyed it. Andrew's a poser. :-D
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Karl Hansen

12/02/07, 07:27 AM

I don't know what you're talking about. I do play an instrument myself. I've also seen NOFX on a night when Mike didn't have a drop of alcohol, and it was a good show. But when a band gets so hammered they can't play right, that's not a good show. Regardless if a few fans say that it "adds to the show" to have them drunk, it certainly doesn't add to the performance.

And if you don't think it was a good review, sorry, but I stand by everything I said 100%. Go to punknews if you want to see a positive one, they (somehow) gave it 3 stars.

Putting on a good Punk rock show is not only about the sheer performance or how well you can play your instruments. It's not Mozart. To me, it's about energy, fun and charisma as well. Of course it's more difficult to play your instrument right when drunk.

As with No Use... who I belive most of us will agree are a GREAT live band. Their Live In A Dive however, is not really appealing to me - the energy of their show somehow didn't make it from the scene onto the CD.

As I said, I don't think this is a particularly good release. I'd rate it 65/100. The reason I don't like the review is not because you rated the Album low, but because it focuses on the wrong aspects, in my opinion.

mrzippo3

12/02/07, 08:17 AM

I love it personally

Nap

12/02/07, 09:48 AM

I really liked it, but when people say they don't I really can wonder why.

TheOtherAndrew

12/02/07, 01:39 PM

Putting on a good Punk rock show is not only about the sheer performance or how well you can play your instruments. It's not Mozart. To me, it's about energy, fun and charisma as well. Of course it's more difficult to play your instrument right when drunk.

As with No Use... who I belive most of us will agree are a GREAT live band. Their Live In A Dive however, is not really appealing to me - the energy of their show somehow didn't make it from the scene onto the CD.

As I said, I don't think this is a particularly good release. I'd rate it 65/100. The reason I don't like the review is not because you rated the Album low, but because it focuses on the wrong aspects, in my opinion.
Agree to disagree, I guess. I mean it was fairly energetic but I don't think that performing with charisma and performing proficiently should contradict each other. I've heard plenty of live albums where the bands are focused and sober and still put on a great show. I don't consider this one of them. The first NOFX live album was closer.

birdman

12/02/07, 07:09 PM

I think something the review should have mentioned is the songs on the album. I feel like it is a representation of their WORST material. It seems like the track list is a collection of all of their 45 second "dittys" and not their great songs.

Karl Hansen

12/02/07, 07:23 PM

xcarlupanddiex

12/03/07, 09:04 AM

the record review is absurd.

this NOFX album rules, even tough, I know, the tracklist is quite weak.

not to mention they started playing The Decline at the very end.

like NOFX? buy this!

The Revisionist

12/05/07, 08:49 PM

smelltheglove

12/07/07, 09:36 AM

you're quite the dork bitching about how drunk and sloppy they are when you sport a lawrence arms avatar. The handful of lawrence arms shows I've seen were FAR more beer-drenched than any Nofx show. Nofx exagerate their drunkeness, Brenden really is shitfaced.

its a fuckin nofx live album. its funny. its entertaining. the setlist sucks and its sloppy. if you want to hear it clean, then go fuckin listen to their studio albums or that greatest hits they put out on epitaph.

smelltheglove

12/07/07, 09:37 AM

TheOtherAndrew

12/09/07, 02:55 PM

If you don't like the album, you don't like the album, I won't argue that... but I find it INCREDIBLY odd to dog a band for not sounding great live due to piss-drunkenness when you have a Lawrence Arms avatar.

you're quite the dork bitching about how drunk and sloppy they are when you sport a lawrence arms avatar. The handful of lawrence arms shows I've seen were FAR more beer-drenched than any Nofx show. Nofx exagerate their drunkeness, Brenden really is shitfaced.

its a fuckin nofx live album. its funny. its entertaining. the setlist sucks and its sloppy. if you want to hear it clean, then go fuckin listen to their studio albums or that greatest hits they put out on epitaph.
A Lawrence Arms live CD would probably sound equally terrible. If TLA released one and it sounded like half of their live shows I would slam it too. I never said The Lawrence Arms were good live. You're putting words in my mouth.

I like seeing both NOFX and TLA live, but there's a big difference between being at a live show and just listening to one through your stereo.

Also, if I'm a dork, then you're a fucking fan boy for convincing yourself this piece of shit is a good listen.

smelltheglove

12/10/07, 09:39 AM

A Lawrence Arms live CD would probably sound equally terrible. If TLA released one and it sounded like half of their live shows I would slam it too. I never said The Lawrence Arms were good live. You're putting words in my mouth.

I like seeing both NOFX and TLA live, but there's a big difference between being at a live show and just listening to one through your stereo.

Also, if I'm a dork, then you're a fucking fan boy for convincing yourself this piece of shit is a good listen.

hahaha, I am a fanboy, no doubt, Nofx was one of the first 5 punk bands I ever got into....waaaaaaay back in 1995 (yes, green day and rancid were also in that first 5). good times. I think this album serves its purpose...its funny, worth about 3 or 4 spins. now i've put it away and will likely not listen to it for 6 months or so. its nothing great, i'd only recomned it to hardcore nofx fans, if someones just getting into them I'd certainly suggest the decline, punk in drublic or pump up the valium as the essential nofx releases, not this. this should be purchased last, or maybe prior to liberal animation and s/m airlines. its not very good, but its funny and its what i expected...if youv'e seen nofx in the last 3 years, its a pretty accurate depction of what you get. its not for everyone and it is better in person to be sure.

Eleutherios

12/11/07, 07:23 AM

I'm sorry Andrew, it is clear that you do not understand one of the main appeals to the band. The band has been around for 24 years and they're still just having fun. In a musical world full of bands whose styles and content change and "mature" (which usually spells the death of the band) it is refreshing to be able to rely on a fun loving yet intelligent group of musicians to do exactly what they have ALWAYS done... For cryin' out loud, look at the title of the album...They're not lying...that's the joke, which you missed. It isn't a gimmick, it's who they are and it's why the fans love them. NoFX is one of the last great punk bands.

To read a review by a guy who gets it, go here: http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/11/22/212543.php

TheOtherAndrew

12/11/07, 11:57 PM

hahaha, I am a fanboy, no doubt, Nofx was one of the first 5 punk bands I ever got into....waaaaaaay back in 1995 (yes, green day and rancid were also in that first 5). good times. I think this album serves its purpose...its funny, worth about 3 or 4 spins. now i've put it away and will likely not listen to it for 6 months or so. its nothing great, i'd only recomned it to hardcore nofx fans, if someones just getting into them I'd certainly suggest the decline, punk in drublic or pump up the valium as the essential nofx releases, not this. this should be purchased last, or maybe prior to liberal animation and s/m airlines. its not very good, but its funny and its what i expected...if youv'e seen nofx in the last 3 years, its a pretty accurate depction of what you get. its not for everyone and it is better in person to be sure.
I thought I was a hardcore NOFX fan. I have all their records, except the really early ones and Heavy Petting Zoo. I guess the fact that I didn't like this record means I'm not as much of a hardcore fan as I thought.
I'm sorry Andrew, it is clear that you do not understand one of the main appeals to the band. The band has been around for 24 years and they're still just having fun. In a musical world full of bands whose styles and content change and "mature" (which usually spells the death of the band) it is refreshing to be able to rely on a fun loving yet intelligent group of musicians to do exactly what they have ALWAYS done... For cryin' out loud, look at the title of the album...They're not lying...that's the joke, which you missed. It isn't a gimmick, it's who they are and it's why the fans love them. NoFX is one of the last great punk bands.

To read a review by a guy who gets it, go here: http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/11/22/212543.php
I get it. Being at a NOFX concert is a blast. I've been to one. It was really fun. I was front row center. The difference is, it just doesn't make for a good sounding record.

And I think you're confusing "someone who gets it" with "someone who enjoyed it."

ryanator

12/12/07, 11:49 PM

I've never been a huge fan of NOFX but I might check this out. Sounds interesting.

smelltheglove

12/14/07, 11:50 AM

I thought I was a hardcore NOFX fan. I have all their records, except the really early ones and Heavy Petting Zoo. I guess the fact that I didn't like this record means I'm not as much of a hardcore fan as I thought.

I get it. Being at a NOFX concert is a blast. I've been to one. It was really fun. I was front row center. The difference is, it just doesn't make for a good sounding record.

And I think you're confusing "someone who gets it" with "someone who enjoyed it."

thats cool man, i'm not trying to bust your balls. In all honesty, i'm just stoked that a 19 year old likes actual punk music...i thought nofx was kind of lost on the new generation of punk fans that weren't really there for the heydey of the "skate punk" thing in the mid-late 90's. I know you were alive but I doubt you were rocking much punk when you were 9. if so, then thats rad.

Don't bother getting any Nofx albums pre-white trash, 2 heebs unless you really want to waste some money and hurt your ears. even I don't own liberal animation or s/m airlines and I sold my copy of ribbed cuz even it sucks. "heavy petting zoo" is hit and miss...its an interesting one, they kind of tried some new things on that album and then abandoned them and went back to the fast/skate punk style on "so long and thanks", which was a reactionary album for the poor response to "petting zoo" but its really not that bad. "hobophobic" and "freedom like a shopping cart" are actually 2 of my favorite nofx songs, but there are some real duds on there too, but you may want to consdier picking it up someday.

Eleutherios

01/15/08, 11:36 PM

The difference is, it just doesn't make for a good sounding record.

I guess it depends on what you think "good" is. If it's entertaining and fun, personally I think it's good. It doesn't have to be as close to musically flawless as possible for me to enjoy it.

alexis.heckyes.

01/16/08, 04:50 AM

I guess it depends on what you think "good" is. If it's entertaining and fun, personally I think it's good. It doesn't have to be as close to musically flawless as possible for me to enjoy it.
agreed.
:]

kcpunk

08/08/09, 03:21 PM

Best live record. EVER.

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