the best emo song ever

[okc0mputer]

Sunny Day Real Estate - Grendel

perfection.

[theguy77]

granted, you did a much better job at getting "emo" right than most new people. not saying that sunny day real estate is an emo band, but they were pretty much the first major band to be falsely classified as emo. good job for at least knowing some history of the word.

[TheBaroness]

I can't be bothered getting into a debate about emo right now, so I'll just say that this is a ripper of a song

[x togepi x]

if we're going to get into that time period, i'd say anything by cap'n jazz slays sdre

[iaminsane20]

Park's It Won't Snow Where You're Going. that whole album.

[meliisssaaaa]

good song

[Shiny_Boots]

werent sunny day real estate like "second wave" emo?

[Pat k]

SDRE is an emo band. Only pretentious 'it died in the 80s' people will say otherwise

[SickOfStars]

SDRE is an emo band. Only pretentious 'it died in the 80s' people will say otherwise

no way dude, there's plenty of emo out there today. life at these speeds is a super good example. there's also the whole 'screamo' thing too. SDRE is just fucking REAL GOOD indie rock.

[Starbursting]

Never really listened to SDRE back in the day.

[Pat k]

Epic fail, shut up. I don't want the be a genre nazi but if some asshat with a Spitalfield avatar wants to tell the people who actually listen to emo what emo is then an intervention is in order.

I listen to emo, but I have a much broader definition of what emo is. I do not immediately disqualify a band from being emo because they played in the 90s or later. I listen to Indian Summer, Rites of Spring, and whatever else fits into your narrow-minded emo scheme. I also listen to Mineral, Texas is the Reason, and SDRE - bands that are influenced by the aforementioned bands and bands that carried emo into the nineties. Emo didn't die in the eighties, dude. Take your elitist opinion and shove it up your ass. While you're at it, keep my avatar out of it.

[x togepi x]

I listen to emo, but I have a much broader definition of what emo is. I do not immediately disqualify a band from being emo because they played in the 90s or later. I listen to Indian Summer, Rites of Spring, and whatever else fits into your narrow-minded emo scheme. I also listen to Mineral, Texas is the Reason, and SDRE - bands that are influenced by the aforementioned bands and bands that carried emo into the nineties. Emo didn't die in the eighties, dude. Take your elitist opinion and shove it up your ass. While you're at it, keep my avatar out of it.

shut up.

Everyone into emo listens to those bands, so stop name dropping. You came in here with a prickish attitude saying that everyone who disagrees with you is a pretentious asshole, and now that people call you on your false statement you're backed into a corner.

SDRE is mislabeled as emo because they weren't a hardcore band. It wasn't about the time period they played, since Orchid was an emo band that played through the 90s while Pyramids is an emo that that's still playing now.

"broader definition" is another way of saying meaningless genre.

[Dre Okorley]

End On End- Rites of Spring

[Nevuk]

End On End- Rites of Spring
Great one, it tends to get overlooked too. Emo Songs around this length tend to be awesome.

[Dre Okorley]

For sure.

[Pat k]

I just don't understand why the genre constraints can't be more fluid, like punk or pop or anything like that.

All told, my favorite SDRE song is The Blankets Were the Stairs probably

[LendMeYourBrain]

I firmly believe in "indie emo" I.E. Braid, Sunny Day, Cap N Jazz and all that stuff. i don't think emo is just "screamo"

[Dre Okorley]

Exactly. Emo doesn't strictly mean "emotional hardcore".

[LendMeYourBrain]

I understand the early roots of the 80's hardcore punk sound but genres evolve and branch out.

[the thread]

blah, whatever. Gray Matter's "Take It Back" and "Head" are probably my favorite Revolution Summer songs. I'd have to say that I love Moss Icon's "I'm back Sleeping, Fucking, or Something" is probably one of them. Along with a multitude of songs by L'antietam, Usurp Synapse, and Jeromes Dream.

[LendMeYourBrain]

Tell Me About Your Childhood by You and I for me.

[TheBaroness]

143(jcm) by You and I is probably my favorite emo song, along with Interview at the Ruins by CTTS, Syncope by Funeral Diner, and Angry Son (I know it's cliche) by Indian Summer

[Daveyhavok832]

Never really listened to SDRE back in the day.
probably because you were 6...

[Daveyhavok832]

I firmly believe in "indie emo" I.E. Braid, Sunny Day, Cap N Jazz and all that stuff. i don't think emo is just "screamo"
yeah... that's why screamo exists as a sub-sub-genre... you sound like a total idiot on the second part of your statement. I do agree however, with the first half.

[x togepi x]

I understand the early roots of the 80's hardcore punk sound but genres evolve and branch out.

no they don't, genres are static, we can use your logic to justify hawthorne heights being emo, etc.

just go search my "i'm tired of arguing about the definition of emo in every thread" thread and you'll see all these arguments answered.

[Choke.On.Stars]

Sunny Day Real Estate - Grendel

perfection.
You just said the "best emo song". This thread is now pointless.

[LendMeYourBrain]

Eh I don't feel like arguing about this at all because I already understand why people would think I'm wrong.

[Christian Lee]

Emo is Emotional Hardcore. If you aren't a hardcore band then you aren't emo. No if's no but's end of.

Yea, no ifs ands or buts...unless your talking the vast majority of the listening public.

Even if you're correct, you're not going to change the fact that everybody has their own interpretation of what "emo" or any other genre/sub-genre is. Shit, Jimmy Eat World is considered by many to be very important in the "emo movement". Now, if that's indeed correct, how ridiculous does that make you sound???

What I'm saying is, it's pointless to try and argue the characteristics and/or origins of genres or sub-genres because for every one person in the world that may know the exact origin of a particular genre (which to me is completely ridiculous in and of itself) there are million others that will tell you otherwise.

So basically, pick your battles, and when you do, make sure they're even worth it...

[x togepi x]

if it's pointless to argue about genres because people have different interpretations, then it is pointless to argue about anything ever because in any given subject, people are going to have different interpretations.

[Scott Irvine]

Angry Son (I know it's cliche) by Indian Summer

Such a fucking AMAZING song, though. Have you ordered their live CD yet that they put out not too long ago? Angry Son is easily the highlight of the bunch.

[Christian Lee]

if it's pointless to argue about genres because people have different interpretations, then it is pointless to argue about anything ever because in any given subject, people are going to have different interpretations.


If you think that's a reasonable response to what I just posted than more power to ya.


Also, let me clarify that I'm certainly not saying that genres shouldn't be discussed or debated. I'm just saying that it's nonsensical to pretend that just because you read on a website what the "true origins" of a particular genre were, you have the right criticize or ridicule what others may believe that genre to be. Especially if by popular consensus, they're not all that far off. It's not their fault that genres evolve and/or off shoots of genres take precedence over their origins...

[Dre Okorley]

Some people live and die for the internerd quarrel

[Pat k]

Some people live and die for the internerd quarrel

i know i do

[Dre Okorley]

Yes it does. That's like saying punk rock doesn't have to be limited to punk bands it can include jazz and reggae because a few miguided people wrongly think they are punk bands.

Just because some people are dumb it does not make The Get Up Kids emo, Underoath hardcore, Less Than Jake ska or any other genre monstrocity correct.

By calling something "emotional hardcore" you are already subcategorizing it. The word "emo" is a descriptive by itself. "Punk ska" or "ska punk" are subcategories of punk or ska. I'll use Hopeless records as an example among many of labels/music collaborators which gave rise to bands who would classify themselves as either or of X genre. Some bands throw other elements into their music, not necessarily letting it takeover but nicely crafting their sound. It's all about influences and which parts of them stick out on top.

EDIT (addition): It's really hard to single out a definition for a type of music now since no genre was created by just one person. So while some say punk is truly about band X, there is another person saying it's a fashion expression, and another is saying it's the beliefs you espouse, and some will agree with all of this, and some won't.

[Christian Lee]

By calling something "emotional hardcore" you are already subcategorizing it. The word "emo" is a descriptive by itself. "Punk ska" or "ska punk" are subcategories of punk or ska. I'll use Hopeless records as an example among many of labels/music collaborators which gave rise to bands who would classify themselves as either or. Some bands throw other elements into their music, not necessarily letting it takeover but nicely crafting their sound. It's all about influences and which parts of them stick out on top.


Well said.

[Intertwined]

Em0 rulez

[Dre Okorley]

Thanks!

[x togepi x]

If you think that's a reasonable response to what I just posted than more power to ya.

explain to me why i shouldn't extend your logic to everything else.


Also, let me clarify that I'm certainly not saying that genres shouldn't be discussed or debated. I'm just saying that it's nonsensical to pretend that just because you read on a website what the "true origins" of a particular genre were, you have the right criticize or ridicule what others may believe that genre to be.

the fact that i can think and speak gives me the right to ridicule what others believe. it has nothing to do with what emo is.

Especially if by popular consensus, they're not all that far off. It's not their fault that genres evolve and/or off shoots of genres take precedence over their origins...

popular consensus makes genres pointless as anything can mean anything. popular consensus is based on what the major labels want it to be. I would say the organic creation of a scene is better than a trend conceived in some board room. I guess you don't. whatever.

with this logic, things like Good Charlotte and Fall Out Boy become punk rock. I don't care if you want to believe in this, it just means you can't ever complain when someone misuses a genre like people on this site often do. I've seen so many people say Thursday's an emo band and then complain when some new kid says Fall Out Boy's the best punk band.

[theguy77]

By calling something "emotional hardcore" you are already subcategorizing it. The word "emo" is a descriptive by itself. "Punk ska" or "ska punk" are subcategories of punk or ska. I'll use Hopeless records as an example among many of labels/music collaborators which gave rise to bands who would classify themselves as either or of X genre. Some bands throw other elements into their music, not necessarily letting it takeover but nicely crafting their sound. It's all about influences and which parts of them stick out on top.

EDIT (addition): It's really hard to single out a definition for a type of music now since no genre was created by just one person. So while some say punk is truly about band X, there is another person saying it's a fashion expression, and another is saying it's the beliefs you espouse, and some will agree with all of this, and some won't.

it was already subcategorized that way in the first place. the term "emo" didn't come out of nowhere like it was supposed to explain some brand new kind of music it spurned as a subgenre of the subgenre "hardcore". a genre is definition, you cant just will it to mean something else. the emo discussion is only a matter of opinion and interpretation if you truly honestly think minor threat sounds similar to sunny day real estate, but you can't apply it to anything that DOESNT sound similar to minor threat because that was emo's original definition.

[theguy77]

If you think that's a reasonable response to what I just posted than more power to ya.


Also, let me clarify that I'm certainly not saying that genres shouldn't be discussed or debated. I'm just saying that it's nonsensical to pretend that just because you read on a website what the "true origins" of a particular genre were, you have the right criticize or ridicule what others may believe that genre to be. Especially if by popular consensus, they're not all that far off. It's not their fault that genres evolve and/or off shoots of genres take precedence over their origins...

popular consensus is ignorance and there's no arguing that point. the majority of the public doesnt know a damn bit of what they're talking about.

[Nevuk]

Definition of emo round... what, 5000?

[Dre Okorley]

it was already subcategorized that way in the first place. the term "emo" didn't come out of nowhere like it was supposed to explain some brand new kind of music it spurned as a subgenre of the subgenre "hardcore". a genre is definition, you cant just will it to mean something else. the emo discussion is only a matter of opinion and interpretation if you truly honestly think minor threat sounds similar to sunny day real estate, but you can't apply it to anything that DOESNT sound similar to minor threat because that was emo's original definition.


This is what I didn't say or imply. You must have missed the part about it's ultimately what influences come out on top. "It was already subcategorized in the first place". I strongly disagree that Emo strictly means Emocore. Emo is a word popularized in punk, which came from rock, and I can go on and on. Does this mean that I'm saying that the ZZ Top sounds just like Rites of Spring? Nope. But I'm not about to negate influential starting points which have led the transition of music, thus creating a billion subgenres.

It wasn't till later after the term was drawn out and used more popularly among the scene that it began to describe a movement and subgenres. Nowadays it stands for any band that puts forth emotion as an underlying theme. This is what i mean by non stagnant, transient terms.

Just because it's a definition doesn't exclude it as a descriptive.

[Christian Lee]

explain to me why i shouldn't extend your logic to everything else.




the fact that i can think and speak gives me the right to ridicule what others believe. it has nothing to do with what emo is.



popular consensus makes genres pointless as anything can mean anything. popular consensus is based on what the major labels want it to be. I would say the organic creation of a scene is better than a trend conceived in some board room. I guess you don't. whatever.

with this logic, things like Good Charlotte and Fall Out Boy become punk rock. I don't care if you want to believe in this, it just means you can't ever complain when someone misuses a genre like people on this site often do. I've seen so many people say Thursday's an emo band and then complain when some new kid says Fall Out Boy's the best punk band.

-Right, because it alllllllll goes back to the "major labels". It has nothing to do with our culture, it has nothing to do with fans, it has nothing to do with modern music scenes, it has nothing to do with the bands themselves...it's the "major labels. It's all their fault...

Are you serious??? The music world has changed my friend. Records labels just don't have the stroke that they used to. Labels used to be able to create their own damn scene and/or culture and take bands with them. At the very least they could transform hip unknown scenes that had very small followings into commercial juggernauts, which is obviously what you're referring to. However now, labels are desperately trying themselves to fit in to the scenes of today. Scenes with followings much bigger than those of yesteryear. The music world is much bigger now. People have more opportunity to make their own choices when it comes to music and more importantly the mediums in which they can hear and support that music. Which is why in recent years those "major labels" you despise are disappearing! Now, does that mean that labels don't have the power at times to profit off of scenes...absolutely not. Of course they can. But if you think it's to the same extent as they did in years prior, you're very much mistaken. So please take that argument and go back to the 90s or something...You'll sound much cooler...

-As far as I'm concerned and I'm guessing many would agree, Good Charlotte and Fall Out Boy may not be "punk rock" but they sure as hell both make music that's rooted in various forms of punk music....

-And yes...you're right...the fact that you can think and speak may indeed give you the right to ridicule what others believe...but I'll just go back to my original statement and say that certainly doesn't mean you should...

[Nevuk]

This is what I didn't say or imply. You must have missed the part about it's ultimately what influences come out on top. Emotional hardcore, is emocore which IS a subgenre. Fact. Emo is a word popularized in punk, which came from rock, and I can go on and on. Does this mean that I'm saying that the ZZ Top sounds just like the Rites of Spring? Nope. But I'm not about to negate influential starting points which have impacted the transition of music, thus creating a billion subgenres.

It wasn't till later after the term was drawn out and used more popularly among the scene that it began to describe a movement and subgenres. Nowadays it stands for any band that puts forth emotion as an underlying theme. This is what i mean by non stagnant, transient terms.

Just because it's a definition doesn't exclude it as a descriptive.
The issue with that is that its utterly ridiculous. All bands pretty much have emotions as a major theme.

[x togepi x]

daft punk doesn't

[Nevuk]

daft punk doesn't
To be honest, I've never even heard daft punk.

[Dre Okorley]

The issue with that is that its utterly ridiculous. All bands pretty much have emotions as a major theme.

I'm sorry but Dashboard Confessional's poetry,diary like lyrical approach differs, to me, in comparison to Green Day. There's emotion behind everyone's music, but not in the way these bands define it. And this is what I also mean by trying to agree on one person's definition, when there are many aspects to it.

[x togepi x]

seriously? wow. they had that single "one more time", one of the most popular electronic groups ever, Kanye sampled them on his last big single. (not making fun of you, trying to jog your memory)

[Dre Okorley]

Saying what emo IS is utterly ridiculous, as if one is all knowing. Some members from older bands that were originally labeled emo eschew that term. Being accurate on it's description will more likely be about it's transition stages.

[Nevuk]

seriously? wow. they had that single "one more time", one of the most popular electronic groups ever, Kanye sampled them on his last big single. (not making fun of you, trying to jog your memory)
I don't listen to the radio, and I didn't listen to music at all until 2-3 years ago. All my exposure to more popular things comes from people around me, and so far this year thats been arcade fire, sigur ros, and bright eyes. I may have heard some, but I wasn't really "listening" or knowledgeable that it was them.

[TheBaroness]

Such a fucking AMAZING song, though. Have you ordered their live CD yet that they put out not too long ago? Angry Son is easily the highlight of the bunch.

yeah, I've got the LP version as well. Very sweet

[x togepi x]

I don't listen to the radio, and I didn't listen to music at all until 2-3 years ago. All my exposure to more popular things comes from people around me, and so far this year thats been arcade fire, sigur ros, and bright eyes. I may have heard some, but I wasn't really "listening" or knowledgeable that it was them.

well i mean, daft punk is way better than radio music. but then again, they were big on the radio like five or six years ago.

[Nevuk]

Saying what emo IS is utterly ridiculous, as if one is all knowing. Some members from older bands that were originally labeled emo eschew that term. Being accurate on it's description will more likely be about it's transition stages.
The issue with labeling everything like that is it leads to confusion when attempting to find music. I enjoy the earliest emo, and continue liking the majority of what was labeled emo up until around SDRE and etc. Applying the emo label to current emo music prevents me from saying "I enjoy emo music", because people will then assume I lock myself in the closet and masturbate to the sound of cutting myself. What was that hideous line? "Black my eyes and cut my wrists".

I rely on the earlier definition to help me locate music I will still enjoy. Pyramids, etc. are all still somewhat in the same vein of some emo. (Even though Pyramids is nowhere near as aggressive as honeywell, both have similarities)

[TheBaroness]

seriously? wow. they had that single "one more time", one of the most popular electronic groups ever, Kanye sampled them on his last big single. (not making fun of you, trying to jog your memory)

around the world around the world

[Nevuk]

well i mean, daft punk is way better than radio music. but then again, they were big on the radio like five or six years ago.
Yeah, where I lived meant that all I ever heard was christian, christmas or country. We didn't know what this thing called rock was. Especially when I was 12

[Pat k]

Daft Punk no thanks

[x togepi x]

-Right, because it alllllllll goes back to the "major labels". It has nothing to do with our culture, it has nothing to do with fans, it has nothing to do with modern music scenes, it has nothing to do with the bands themselves...it's the "major labels. It's all their fault...

Teen People christened emo to be the new wave of music back in 1998, and the major labels picked up on this and used it to define the trend from New Jersey, though the Jersey bands themselves: Thursday, My Chemical Romance etc, never considered themselves emo. It was a label thrust from above.


Are you serious??? The music world has changed my friend. Records labels just don't have the stroke that they used to. Labels used to be able to create their own damn scene and/or culture and take bands with them. At the very least they could transform hip unknown scenes that had very small followings into commercial juggernauts, which is obviously what you're referring to. However now, labels are desperately trying themselves to fit in to the scenes of today. Scenes with followings much bigger than those of yesteryear. The music world is much bigger now. People have more opportunity to make their own choices when it comes to music and more importantly the mediums in which they can hear and support that music. Which is why in recent years those "major labels" you despise are disappearing! Now, does that mean that labels don't have the power at times to profit off of scenes...absolutely not. Of course they can. But if you think it's to the same extent as they did in years prior, you're very much mistaken. So please take that argument and go back to the 90s or something...You'll sound much cooler...

you're going to feel like an idiot for typing all of that out since it has absolutely nothing to do with what i said. Nowhere in my post did I say that major labels created the scene in Jersey that got blown up into the emo fad. I claimed that the label was used as a way of marketing the trend. There's a subtle, but important difference as the bands themselves never considered themselves emo. In fact, I remember reading guitar world's from 2003 where bands like Thrice and Thursday get interviewed at the beginning of this genre's popularity and they outright say they have no idea why people call them screamo.

originally, thursday and MCR were diy bands. awesome. they created their own scene. cool. but they're not emo, and were labeled that way by the media, who didn't know how to sell their music.
-As far as I'm concerned and I'm guessing many would agree, Good Charlotte and Fall Out Boy may not be "punk rock" but they sure as hell both make music that's rooted in various forms of punk music....

no dude, the music industry changed. genres evolve. since millions of 14 year old kids think fall out boy is punk is fuck, they're punk. articles commonly refer to fall out boy as punk rock. the media has spoken dude.

-And yes...you're right...the fact that you can think and speak may indeed give you the right to ridicule what others believe...but I'll just go back to my original statement and say that certainly doesn't mean you should...

you shouldn't take yourself so seriously. if you can't take getting mocked, why even bother posting at all?

[itsjustadrian]

it think it's really sad when people don't know how to read.
emo is short for emotional hardcore. it started off that way and it'll continue to be that way.
if a band isn't hardcore, then it can't even possibly be emo.

[x togepi x]

Yeah, where I lived meant that all I ever heard was christian, christmas or country. We didn't know what this thing called rock was. Especially when I was 12

yeah i was like that, but then a "rock" station moved in and it was a big deal and about that time this station started playing daft punk too. fuck living in the bible belt.

Daft Punk no thanks

oh hell no.

actually, i'm not that big of a fan. some of their stuff is good, some is bad. their second live cd is awesome

around the world around the world

i just got Alive 2007 today, it's so good.

[Nevuk]

yeah i was like that, but then a "rock" station moved in and it was a big deal and about that time this station started playing daft punk too. fuck living in the bible belt.

Indeed. Although the random gideons giving me Bible's on teh side of the road has its uses... "awesome rolling paper" as a friend told them when he took it.

[x togepi x]

Indeed. Although the random gideons giving me Bible's on teh side of the road has its uses... "awesome rolling paper" as a friend told them when he took it.

i have heard this claim too.

[Yes. And?]

Oh wow, emo debate again?

'sup Nevuk? Haven't seen you around in forever. Come to music chat sometime.:-(

[Nevuk]

I'll be there in a sec.

[Siren Silently]

Indeed. Although the random gideons giving me Bible's on teh side of the road has its uses... "awesome rolling paper" as a friend told them when he took it.

I have experimented once. Corinthians disapointed me so.

[Nevuk]

I have experimented once. Corinthians disapointed me so.
Apparently, Revelations is where the shit is at. The hallucinations just roll of the pages, almost don't need the drugs.... or so I'm told.

[vinyljunkie]

indian summer - angry son

[Dre Okorley]

The issue with labeling everything like that is it leads to confusion when attempting to find music. I enjoy the earliest emo, and continue liking the majority of what was labeled emo up until around SDRE and etc. Applying the emo label to current emo music prevents me from saying "I enjoy emo music", because people will then assume I lock myself in the closet and masturbate to the sound of cutting myself. What was that hideous line? "Black my eyes and cut my wrists".

I rely on the earlier definition to help me locate music I will still enjoy. Pyramids, etc. are all still somewhat in the same vein of some emo. (Even though Pyramids is nowhere near as aggressive as honeywell, both have similarities)

Exactly, why do you think it gives people headaches to have these discussions? As the second poster said, "I'm not about to get into the debate right now" and now I'm not going to continue it. And once again, it's not labelling everything like it, it's describing elements of it, and some elements stick out more than others. Not everyone will use the same sources for defining a sound, words get bastardized, appropriated, or reclaimed in a different light.

[Christian Lee]

Teen People christened emo to be the new wave of music back in 1998, and the major labels picked up on this and used it to define the trend from New Jersey, though the Jersey bands themselves: Thursday, My Chemical Romance etc, never considered themselves emo. It was a label thrust from above.




you're going to feel like an idiot for typing all of that out since it has absolutely nothing to do with what i said. Nowhere in my post did I say that major labels created the scene in Jersey that got blown up into the emo fad. I claimed that the label was used as a way of marketing the trend. There's a subtle, but important difference as the bands themselves never considered themselves emo. In fact, I remember reading guitar world's from 2003 where bands like Thrice and Thursday get interviewed at the beginning of this genre's popularity and they outright say they have no idea why people call them screamo.

originally, thursday and MCR were diy bands. awesome. they created their own scene. cool. but they're not emo, and were labeled that way by the media, who didn't know how to sell their music.


no dude, the music industry changed. genres evolve. since millions of 14 year old kids think fall out boy is punk is fuck, they're punk. articles commonly refer to fall out boy as punk rock. the media has spoken dude.



you shouldn't take yourself so seriously. if you can't take getting mocked, why even bother posting at all?


The bottom line is, any genre is anything anybody wants/believes it to be and that's not necessarily a bad thing. To blame the process of unknown genres moving to the mainstream on one thing or another is just absurd. Our musical culture is just too vast and too diverse to think that way. If you really wanna get upset when bands like FOB and GC are considered punk rock than go ahead. I just don't understand why that's such a travesty, when it's very apparent that their music is rooted in the offshoot genres of punk. As far as, MCR and Thursday are concerned, I'm sure they're trying their damnedest to get out from under the emo banner but it brought them the majority of their exposure nonetheless. Emo is not just music anymore, it's a culture and I think you know that. When the majority of music fans see a new band wearing black and red outfits with thick black eye liner, they're are going to consider that band emo! It's beyond just being a genre now, so to argue what TRUE emo is really just not even worth it. That's my ultimate point and that's just my opinion and I'm sure there are plenty who disagree.

This really got heated! lol It's been fun though in all seriousness...

[Yes. And?]

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/14/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/14njCOVER.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


Fun read.:-D

[x togepi x]

The bottom line is, any genre is anything anybody wants/believes it to be and that's not necessarily a bad thing. To blame the process of unknown genres moving to the mainstream on one thing or another is just absurd. Our musical culture is just too vast and too diverse to think that way. If you really wanna get upset when bands like FOB and GC are considered punk rock than go ahead. I just don't understand why that's such a travesty, when it's very apparent that their music is rooted in the offshoot genres of punk. As far as, MCR and Thursday are concerned, I'm sure they're trying their damnedest to get out from under the emo banner but it brought them the majority of their exposure nonetheless. Emo is not just music anymore, it's a culture and I think you know that. When the majority of music fans see a new band wearing black and red outfits with thick black eye liner, they're are going to consider that band emo! It's beyond just being a genre now, so to argue what TRUE emo is really just not even worth it. That's my ultimate point and that's just my opinion and I'm sure there are plenty who disagree.

This really got heated! lol It's been fun though in all seriousness...

looking at your profile, i see you listen to trash like 30 seconds to mars and the sound of animals fighting. you're a lost cause, one of the people who've been buying the stupid definition that's been sold to you. i don't understand why you're so defensive when someone criticizes your corporate-controlled definition, but whatever, keep being a puppet for those who are trying to kill music (and luckily are failing).

[4N6 science]

bleed for you- HIPV

who of course no longer exist..

[Yes. And?]

...are you serious?

[xXxskskfreakxXx]

Definition of emo round... what, 5000?
lol
geez, why can't you people just accept emo as what you feel it to be and just enjoy the music as the artist intended. its not like the band started making music just to be catagorized

[Nevuk]

Exactly, why do you think it gives people headaches to have these discussions? As the second poster said, "I'm not about to get into the debate right now" and now I'm not going to continue it. And once again, it's not labelling everything like it, it's describing elements of it, and some elements stick out more than others. Not everyone will use the same sources for defining a sound, words get bastardized, appropriated, or reclaimed in a different light.
A word's definition can change, I'll give you that, but a genre's can't. It is true that emo in most cultural settings does not mean what we are discussing here, but this website has a high concentration of people who know the actual definition of emo, so it is far easier to discuss here than in the majority of places.

[summer skin]

lol
geez, why can't you people just accept emo as what you feel it to be and just enjoy the music as the artist intended. its not like the band started making music just to be catagorized
worst user name ever.

[x togepi x]

lol
geez, why can't you people just accept emo as what you feel it to be and just enjoy the music as the artist intended. its not like the band started making music just to be catagorized

because if i said polka music was emo, you'd correct me.

[Nevuk]

lol
geez, why can't you people just accept emo as what you feel it to be and just enjoy the music as the artist intended. its not like the band started making music just to be catagorized
I do enjoy them, this just gives me something to fill my time with. And I'm well aware of them frequently not wanting to be called it - Portraits of Past for instance hated the label.

[Nevuk]

because if i said polka music was emo, you'd correct me.
No man, polka music is totally emotional!

[x togepi x]

if you add screaming to polka music, it'd be screamo, and fairly awesome.

[Nevuk]

if you add screaming to polka music, it'd be screamo, and fairly awesome.
Has anyone ever tried that? I feel inspiration coming on. Closest I can think of is some MMOTM music, and thats not quite the same thing.

[x togepi x]

i don't think so, but then again, there's a Finnish screaming choir, so you never know

[Nevuk]

i don't think so, but then again, there's a Finnish screaming choir, so you never know
Woah, theres a finnish screaming choir? That sounds like it could either be the greatest fucking thing ever or hideous.... but either way I want to find out.

[x togepi x]

Woah, theres a finnish screaming choir? That sounds like it could either be the greatest fucking thing ever or hideous.... but either way I want to find out.

http://www.huutajat.org/

[Nevuk]

Sounds more like gang vocals than screaming. A bit of a disappointment.
I'd like it more if they did the higher keys in screaming.

[saysmydoctor]

bleed for you- HIPV

who of course no longer exist..
Quit living immediately.
lol
geez, why can't you people just accept emo as what you feel it to be and just enjoy the music as the artist intended. its not like the band started making music just to be catagorized
You like SKSK and are sporting 6 xs in your username. Sigh...

[Antics]

sdre > this retarded thread.

[Christian Lee]

looking at your profile, i see you listen to trash like 30 seconds to mars and the sound of animals fighting. you're a lost cause, one of the people who've been buying the stupid definition that's been sold to you. i don't understand why you're so defensive when someone criticizes your corporate-controlled definition, but whatever, keep being a puppet for those who are trying to kill music (and luckily are failing).

LMAO

You really don't get it, I couldn't give a shit about emo, being emo, defining emo, etc.
Why don't you go back and READ my posts because I'm done with this now...

While you're doing that, I'll make you a deal...

I'll stop being a "puppet", when you stop being a sad waste of a brain...

Hmmmm...I'll guess I'll have to get used to being a "puppet"...and I'm cool with that...

[x togepi x]

I've read your posts. You haven't once responded to any of my arguments.

For example, you made a giant rant about how the media doesn't create scenes. I never claimed the media created scenes, I said they market trends, and emo as you see it, is a created trend. None of the bands you claim started emo in the "modern" sense: 1) ever considered themselves to be emo and 2) were called emo until people in the media, who didn't know how to classify them, started calling them emo.