Brand New

[jgirv17]

Ok....

so before you say the only reason i dislike brand new is because i only listen to pop-punk and cant accept their new, more mature sound, hear me out. (on a side note....i dont only listen to pop punnk...in fact, i dont like much of that at all....im more of a ska fan of anything else...like streetlight manifesto, etc.)


i enjoyed some of the songs from their first album...although i didnt like them too much at that point here. anyway, my main two criticisms of them are:

1. They need to decide on a lead singer. OK, its cool to have a backup singer...but they dont....they have two lead singers...and its annoying.

2 (and the bigger one, for me). They just try soooooo hard to sound deep. They seem to be constantly reaching for a memorable line in every verse, and it shows. There is a line between being insightful and just sounding ludicrous due to trying too hard to be deep...and they flew by it, in a cape...and moon shoes.

agree? disagree? probably disagree...

either way, i wanna hear your opinion.

[punklet2101]

Well .. even though I love Brand New, I can see where you're coming from .. and your second point is valid

Eh .. whatever :D

[mirtizzle]

okay, forgive me, i'm biased.

but...
- i don't understand the lead singer thing. vinny screams in the background on a few songs.. where's the confusion?
- what are you trying to say? should they stick to being simplistic? go back to writing songs about masturbating to laetitia casta? i think, with the right lyrics, you could say that every songwriter tries too hard. in my opinion, it goes well with the music...

sorry i couldn't raise more hell and make this more entertaining by berating you because you don't like a band i like.... maybe next time, though?

[unsung_zero02]

Originally posted by mirtizzle
okay, forgive me, i'm biased.

but...
- i don't understand the lead singer thing. vinny screams in the background on a few songs.. where's the confusion?
- what are you trying to say? should they stick to being simplistic? go back to writing songs about masturbating to laetitia casta? i think, with the right lyrics, you could say that every songwriter tries too hard. in my opinion, it goes well with the music...

sorry i couldn't raise more hell and make this more entertaining by berating you because you don't like a band i like.... maybe next time, though?


i saw laetitia casta on a commercial the other day..and i was thinking that maybe Brand New was talking about her.

so in response to your post...

they really were talking about her...heh

[AnatomyofAlbert]

okay. well. i have no idea where you are coming from with the two lead singer thing. vinny's presence is minimal at best. maybe you are just confused by the way they recorded their first album. i think that jessie's voice is layered a bit so it sounds like there is two people at once. anywho why would you criticize a band for being 'too' deep? in my opinion if the lyrics inspire thought, then they have accomplished their goal. meaningful music always stays in my CD player longer than your average pop-punk band.

[mirtizzle]

Originally posted by unsung_zero02
i saw laetitia casta on a commercial the other day..and i was thinking that maybe Brand New was talking about her.

so in response to your post...

they really were talking about her...heh

are you telling me this or agreeing with me?

[ISuckYoungBlood]

I disagree with the two singer part tottaly, I think having two singers adds a little diversity and makes the music more intriguing. I do feel Brand New tries to be deep, jsut like 90% of every band these days. So few bands just write emotion and feelings. They usually resort to lines that song corny and sound better spoken then in music. I made a list previously on which bands have good signers and this list is similar. Glassjaw, Coheed, Mars Volta... those are 3 bands that have great lyrics. Verry unique as well. Glassjaws just wierd lines that could mean nothnig or everything to one person. Coheeds story in theirr lyrics. Mars Voltas story based on their friend that ODed

[Kayde]

Originally posted by AnatomyofAlbert
okay. well. i have no idea where you are coming from with the two lead singer thing. vinny's presence is minimal at best. maybe you are just confused by the way they recorded their first album. i think that jessie's voice is layered a bit so it sounds like there is two people at once. anywho why would you criticize a band for being 'too' deep? in my opinion if the lyrics inspire thought, then they have accomplished their goal. meaningful music always stays in my CD player longer than your average pop-punk band.



Amen :D

[unsung_zero02]

Originally posted by mirtizzle
are you telling me this or agreeing with me?


agreeing

[boy bleeds]

blah... u like sublime. enuff said.
-farts-

[jgirv17]

Originally posted by boy bleeds
blah... u like sublime. enuff said.
-farts-

blah... you live in arkansas. enough said.





did that make sense? no?....ok, good, because neither did your argument.

[ponytailbandit]

i listened to brand new for like a week, they are catchy, sort of pop-punk, but there better than simpl plan shit, I just don't think there all that talented, there good at making pop punk music, but anyone can do that, after listening to stuff like AFI and avenged sevenfold, brand new just isn't any good.

[piebaldkid42]

i like the old and the new stuff, nothing really gets me pumped though
now piebald there's a band:approve:

[Touched]

I see no problems with the vocals but I do realise that the lyrics are overdone a bit but anyways I like them and will be one of my faves for quite a while.

[steveo1022]

on your first point, blink 182 have 2 lead singers. they used mark and tom. sum songs have mark doing lead and sum have tom.

[jgirv17]

Originally posted by steveo1022
on your first point, blink 182 have 2 lead singers. they used mark and tom. sum songs have mark doing lead and sum have tom.

dont get me wrong...i have nothing against that type of a setup...its cool when you have two guys who can sing and do so by splitting songs....where its just one singing at one time....brand new, on the other hand, seems to have both singing at the same time... that seems to me to mean that they have no confidence in their abilities on a solo level (from what i have heard, the guy with the higher voice...vinny?....has a lot of trouble hitting his notes in concert)....and, as someone stated before, if this effect is made by layering the lead guys voice, then thats even worse.....

if your voice isnt strong enough on its own without the help of a machine, then you should let someone else try their hand at singing.

[em0]

a band that is really good with 2 lead singers: zebrahead.

anyways. i think you are a bit confused there bud. brand new is one singer, one backup singer. the only song i can see you getting two singers out of is

"Sic Transit Gloria...Glory Fades..."
and
"The Quiet things that no one ever knows".

however on the quiet things it's still only one singer that being jesse. he sounds different in a lot of places on the newest album.


i saw brand new at the warped tour this year and i was totally blown away. jesse did an amazing job at singing and i'm almost positive they pumped the crowd up the most out of any band i saw that day.

[jgirv17]

maybe i am confused....i cant tell you for sure.

all i know is that every brand new song ive heard seems to have two people singing (whether that be a backup and lead at the same time...or the lead's voice being layered) at most parts of the song. Granted, i guess my knowledge of brand new isnt as vast as most peoples, considering i don't like them enough to merit buying any cd...but i still think ive heard enough of their material to have a fairly good idea as to what their sound is...and that is definitely more than 3 songs, since ive sat through many car rides with my friends (pretty much played through both cds to their entirety)

[OrKilThemTrying]

brand new is the best band ever

they are soo good live

[piebaldkid42]

Originally posted by OrKilThemTrying
brand new is the best band ever

they are soo good live
the best ever:undecided

[Alk3DCStars71]

Originally posted by OrKilThemTrying
they are soo good live
The first time I saw them live I thought they were good, too. But then on the last tour they did (w/ Dashboard), I didn't think they were all that great. I personally think that their new material doesn't sound very good live. There's a lot more tech stuff in it, and it kind of disappointed me. I still like them, I'll listen to their CD's, but I don't know if I'd ever pay to see them live again. Not to mention all the little brats crowding the front stage now, blocking the view for people who actually like the band for their music, not their looks.
I'm not slandering all 13-year-old girls at shows with Brand New and other bands like them, I was one a long time ago. But the ones that do that, I just want to say to them, "They aren't going to notice you. Why do you feel you have to compete for musicians' attention? Why can't you just sit back, relax, and listen to the music, maybe have a good time?"

[cdot]

Originally posted by boy bleeds
blah... u like sublime. enuff said.
-farts-


NO SHIT

[at4inthemornin]

Notice a trend people?

Good Charlotte gets popular and everyone hates them....

Blink 182 gets popular and everyone says they have sold out...

New Found Glory shows major success and it's said that they have become too poppy....

Simple Plan..well why the hell did they get popular anyway...fuck them....

Sum 41...that was interesting...they were never that good to begin with...

the Ataris -- well atleast this album didnt sound like all their previous ones...which definitely sounded the same -- you hear two songs, you've heard the entire repertoire...so good for them

but you can't knock Brand New for simply maturing slightly in their lyrics and taking a new edge to their music....they, like lots of other punk bands, and other bands of other genres, use two singers, but by no means is it excessive. Blink uses two singers rather effectively i think, and that is much more usage than BN. I don't really like to see Brand New get so popular and attract all the little girls that seem to plague the music scene...but I cant hate Brand NEw for it...

BTW: Blink 182, NFG, Brand New, Taking Back Sunday...kick ass...no matter how much money they will make...

and Simple Plan/Good Charlotte -- are they even punk to begin with?

...Finding Westerly...now thats a good band --

[jgirv17]

blink uses 2 lead singers in a different way, though.

plus, i never have said anything against making money for doing what you love....in fact im all for it....go ahead, sell out, i would if i was talented.

they could be playing live shows to 1000s of people or to 4 people in a coffee shop....i still just dont like the way they sound.

[piebaldkid42]

Originally posted by jgirv17
blink uses 2 lead singers in a different way, though.

plus, i never have said anything against making money for doing what you love....in fact im all for it....go ahead, sell out, i would if i was talented.

they could be playing live shows to 1000s of people or to 4 people in a coffee shop....i still just dont like the way they sound.
yea if you just dont like there music its a valid reason not to like them so everyone should stop bitching about it and just say why they disagree without going all out on you
i think brand new is an awesome band that hasnt sold out, theyve just gotten more recognition that is well deserved

[timeconsumerx]

i've only listened to brand new for a few weeks, mostly in part to the fact that i was seeing them in concert last week, and let me say this: i don't feel right putting them in the pop punk stereotype, especially after listening to deja entendu. they have matured and found a new way to express themselves. jesse lacey and brand new are merely out to make music.

personally, i think its great that they can get away with lines like "i am paid to make girls panic while i sing." it's refreshing to see that a band doesn't have to suck the fans' collective penis to get their respect. i don't know what you expect out of a band lyrically either... i'd much rather listen to bands like coheed and cambria whose entire album is an intricate storyline, or cursive's dark masterpiece domestica, which was devoted entirely to the divorce of his wife, than listen to songs about guys getting upset about their fifteen year old girlfriend leaving them at a party.

fact of the matter: brand new isn't out to 1. make a 2 and a half minute radio song, 2. fall into a category, and 3. get laid, and i appreciate all of those immensely.

[Alk3DCStars71]

Originally posted by jgirv17

plus, i never have said anything against making money for doing what you love....in fact im all for it....go ahead, sell out, i would if i was talented.
Tell me about it. If I was good at anything musically or artistically besides singing in a choir, I would do it. I'm getting pretty desperate for money. I like a lot of so-called sellouts, but I just don't care anymore. I've grown out of it I guess.

[jgirv17]

Originally posted by timeconsumerx
i've only listened to brand new for a few weeks, mostly in part to the fact that i was seeing them in concert last week, and let me say this: i don't feel right putting them in the pop punk stereotype, especially after listening to deja entendu. they have matured and found a new way to express themselves. jesse lacey and brand new are merely out to make music.

personally, i think its great that they can get away with lines like "i am paid to make girls panic while i sing." it's refreshing to see that a band doesn't have to suck the fans' collective penis to get their respect. i don't know what you expect out of a band lyrically either... i'd much rather listen to bands like coheed and cambria whose entire album is an intricate storyline, or cursive's dark masterpiece domestica, which was devoted entirely to the divorce of his wife, than listen to songs about guys getting upset about their fifteen year old girlfriend leaving them at a party.

fact of the matter: brand new isn't out to 1. make a 2 and a half minute radio song, 2. fall into a category, and 3. get laid, and i appreciate all of those immensely.

i know what you're saying...and believe me, i appreciate lyrics.

in fact, i believe that they can make or break a song. filler lyrics are not something i tend to enjoy. it takes a very good rest of the song in order to make up for sub-par lyrics.

on top of that, i just dont really like emo lyrics. its not talent to be able to talk about how your girlfriend dumped you and also how you cant seem to get a girl, despite thr fact that it seems every girl in the world goes for emo guys.

this is a reason why i dont like brand new. first and foremost, i just dont like their sound, lyrically speaking or now. moreover, the lyris they write are "deep," in a way, but not in a way i enjoy.

think matrix 2....they tried too hard to sound philosophical....using words like "ergo" every few minutes. it was just a facade it seemed to put on to make people think they were watching an intellectually stimulating film. this is what brand new seems to be to me. they seem to try too hard with their lyrics. they reach for some memorable line every other verse, and that annoys me.

it is one thing to write good lyrics, it is a completely different thing to write deep sounding lyrics purely for the aesthetic value.

[xnotedgex]

Originally posted by jgirv17
i know what you're saying...and believe me, i appreciate lyrics.

in fact, i believe that they can make or break a song. filler lyrics are not something i tend to enjoy. it takes a very good rest of the song in order to make up for sub-par lyrics.

on top of that, i just dont really like emo lyrics. its not talent to be able to talk about how your girlfriend dumped you and also how you cant seem to get a girl, despite thr fact that it seems every girl in the world goes for emo guys.

this is a reason why i dont like brand new. first and foremost, i just dont like their sound, lyrically speaking or now. moreover, the lyris they write are "deep," in a way, but not in a way i enjoy.

think matrix 2....they tried too hard to sound philosophical....using words like "ergo" every few minutes. it was just a facade it seemed to put on to make people think they were watching an intellectually stimulating film. this is what brand new seems to be to me. they seem to try too hard with their lyrics. they reach for some memorable line every other verse, and that annoys me.

it is one thing to write good lyrics, it is a completely different thing to write deep sounding lyrics purely for the aesthetic value.

and you know the meaning behind all of the lyrics how??? please do tell me how you know what's going through the guy's head as he's writing the song...please tell me how you know that he's just writing these lyrics to sound intelligent but doesn't mean it...you don't know these things...you make stupid assumptions because you don't like the band

and there's no such thing as selling out...its called living life to its fullest

[Tenshi]

Originally posted by jgirv17
Ok....

so before you say the only reason i dislike brand new is because i only listen to pop-punk and cant accept their new, more mature sound, hear me out. (on a side note....i dont only listen to pop punnk...in fact, i dont like much of that at all....im more of a ska fan of anything else...like streetlight manifesto, etc.)


i enjoyed some of the songs from their first album...although i didnt like them too much at that point here. anyway, my main two criticisms of them are:

1. They need to decide on a lead singer. OK, its cool to have a backup singer...but they dont....they have two lead singers...and its annoying.

2 (and the bigger one, for me). They just try soooooo hard to sound deep. They seem to be constantly reaching for a memorable line in every verse, and it shows. There is a line between being insightful and just sounding ludicrous due to trying too hard to be deep...and they flew by it, in a cape...and moon shoes.

agree? disagree? probably disagree...

either way, i wanna hear your opinion.

YES ! I dont like their vocals...

[jgirv17]

sorry if my attempts to defend myself has offended you...

my main problem with brand new is their sound...nothing else.

BUT since it seems so many people want to bring up lyrics as their argument, i feel inclined to put out my opinion on that issue as well.


also....maybe i dont know what he was thinking when he was writing these lyrics....but neither do you.

who's to say he wasn't like "hey, lets think of some cheesy emo lines....kids love that stuff now-a-days,"?

im sorry that i have an opinion on things. my bad.

[AnatomyofAlbert]

dude please get rid of that damn book you have signed to each of your posts! you make my browser display like 2 per page because yours is so big. its not even fun to read. that is all.

[jgirv17]

there you go^^

[xnotedgex]

Originally posted by jgirv17
sorry if my attempts to defend myself has offended you...

my main problem with brand new is their sound...nothing else.

BUT since it seems so many people want to bring up lyrics as their argument, i feel inclined to put out my opinion on that issue as well.


also....maybe i dont know what he was thinking when he was writing these lyrics....but neither do you.

who's to say he wasn't like "hey, lets think of some cheesy emo lines....kids love that stuff now-a-days,"?

im sorry that i have an opinion on things. my bad.

the difference is i never made any claim to know what the motivation behind his lyrics were and you did. simply because you don't like them, you assume the worst

and you should be sorry you have an opinion because its based on stuff you don't know to be true, stuff you just make up to suit your point

[AnatomyofAlbert]

thank you jgirv17, thats much better.

[jgirv17]

ok...so what should we do?

not take any song for more than good listening until a member of the band reveals what its all about?

i always thought the beauty of music was that you could take each song for what it meant to your own self.

i mean, that's why, for example, coheed and cambria is so enticing.....they don't reveal all that their lyrics mean...they leave it up to the listener to interpret.

it's hard to explain....i guess its something like when people read poetry and try to get way more out of a line than is really there. that annoys me. the same can be said for the opposite end of the spectrum: i don't enjoy a poem/song that seems to focus too much on making "interpretive" lyrics. which, to me, it seems brand new does.

yes, i said TO ME. anyone else is more than open to their own interpretations. as i said, thats what music is for.

[angie710]

Well said, and agreed... ^^^^^

[at4inthemornin]

Ha holy crap...

Y'all need to chill out on the Hateration...yes I am really white...

jgirv17 is just tryin to log as many postings as possible so his status increases in the rating thingy....lol...just kiddin



Long live emo/poppunk -- even tho it does kinda sound the same and include similar lyrics....its damn catchy and good shit to listen to.

[timeconsumerx]

good call, jgirv... ultimately thats what its all about, interpretation of the music by the listener... without listeners there would be no music. its kind of like one of those if a tree falls in the woods things.

[Chadwick]

Originally posted by jgirv17





1. They need to decide on a lead singer. OK, its cool to have a backup singer...but they dont....they have two lead singers...and its annoying.

They can have 2 if they want. A local band here, "The Dentists" they are a hardcore band, and they are know all around for how good they are (of course), they got 2 lead singers, and its hardcore. Its good to have 2 singers cus alot of bands you get bored listening to the voice, thats where 2 comes in to handy. Plus its harder to play with 2 singers on the stage

[jgirv17]

let them have 2 singers....and go ahead and like them for it.

i dont care....i dislike it, you dont have to.

besides....if you get bored of listening to a lead singer's voice that easily, shouldn't that maybe hint that the band and/or singer just isn't that good?

[xnotedgex]

Originally posted by jgirv17
ok...so what should we do?

not take any song for more than good listening until a member of the band reveals what its all about?

i always thought the beauty of music was that you could take each song for what it meant to your own self.

i mean, that's why, for example, coheed and cambria is so enticing.....they don't reveal all that their lyrics mean...they leave it up to the listener to interpret.

it's hard to explain....i guess its something like when people read poetry and try to get way more out of a line than is really there. that annoys me. the same can be said for the opposite end of the spectrum: i don't enjoy a poem/song that seems to focus too much on making "interpretive" lyrics. which, to me, it seems brand new does.

yes, i said TO ME. anyone else is more than open to their own interpretations. as i said, thats what music is for.

isn't their an inherent contradiction in saying you think music is all about people interpreting the lyrics for themselves and then criticizing lyrics that are "interpretive"

[jgirv17]

by "interpretive" i didn't mean to take it totally literally...hence, the quotations. at the time, i couldn't think of a better word to use....i guess my vocabulary isn't vast enough for this forum.

what i meant when using this word was when someone seemed to try to hard to make words seem so deep. in other words, they "seem to focus too much on making" (Notice the words preceding "interpretive," which you neglected to mention) the words like that. It annoys me, therefore, when people seem to focus on making a poem/song a group of one-liners, instead of concentrating more on the meaning of the entire mass.

i believe this takes away from the song/poem in general, which is why i don't like it. it is like they wrote it line by line, not really worrying about what the entirity of the poem turns out to mean.

[Adrian Villagomez]

Jesse is the only person who sings on the albums. And I love the slow singing for the verses, with the background eventually rising up to more of a high pitch [The Quiet Things That No One Ever Knows]. And to whoever said that they didn't put on a good show on the Dashboard tour, you should have seen them with Eisley and Hot Rod Circuit. Those fuckers brought the house down.

And it's cool if you don't like Brand New; I mean everyone has their tastes.

[unsung_zero02]

Originally posted by Emopunk
Jesse is the only person who sings on the albums.


no...

[xnotedgex]

Originally posted by jgirv17
by "interpretive" i didn't mean to take it totally literally...hence, the quotations. at the time, i couldn't think of a better word to use....i guess my vocabulary isn't vast enough for this forum.

what i meant when using this word was when someone seemed to try to hard to make words seem so deep. in other words, they "seem to focus too much on making" (Notice the words preceding "interpretive," which you neglected to mention) the words like that. It annoys me, therefore, when people seem to focus on making a poem/song a group of one-liners, instead of concentrating more on the meaning of the entire mass.

i believe this takes away from the song/poem in general, which is why i don't like it. it is like they wrote it line by line, not really worrying about what the entirity of the poem turns out to mean.

i guess my point is you don't know his songwriting process and it's not really fair to be critical of something you know nothing about

[Lueda Alia]

lol whoever said that Brand New isn't that good compared to AFI: Amen ;)

I love Brand New too, I really do, but to ME, they could never be as good as AFI.

Oh and...some one else mentioned Finding Westerly - I love them. :)

[at4inthemornin]

FINDING WESTERLY!

YES YES THAT WAS ME!!!

WOOHOO SOMEONE ELSE LIKES THEM!!

I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARENT MORE POPULAR __ THEY ARE FRIGGIN GREAT!

[unsung_zero02]

Originally posted by at4inthemornin
FINDING WESTERLY!

YES YES THAT WAS ME!!!

WOOHOO SOMEONE ELSE LIKES THEM!!

I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARENT MORE POPULAR __ THEY ARE FRIGGIN GREAT!

yeah finding westerly are awesome. my favorite song by them is "are you still here?"

[timeconsumerx]

Finding Westerly is great... the song "neverending" is the greatest. how can you pass up a band that has ex members of the June Spirit?

[wkebrder35]

whoever originally posted this topic did not know enough about brand new to even have an opinion. listen to their stuff constantly for a month and then tell me how you feel. anybody can be like "oh i dont like so and so cuz i've listened to a few mp3's and they dont sound good" know what you're talking about. secondly, just because you dont understand the lyrics doesnt mean they aren't deep. lyrics are personal things that come from the writer that dont necessarily have to translate to the listener. if they sound "too deep" to you, thats how you took it, im pretty sure it wasnt the intent. and just becuz it isnt third wave ska doesnt mean it isnt good period. thats your opinion

[jgirv17]

Originally posted by wkebrder35
whoever originally posted this topic did not know enough about brand new to even have an opinion. listen to their stuff constantly for a month and then tell me how you feel. anybody can be like "oh i dont like so and so cuz i've listened to a few mp3's and they dont sound good" know what you're talking about. secondly, just because you dont understand the lyrics doesnt mean they aren't deep. lyrics are personal things that come from the writer that dont necessarily have to translate to the listener. if they sound "too deep" to you, thats how you took it, im pretty sure it wasnt the intent. and just becuz it isnt third wave ska doesnt mean it isnt good period. thats your opinion

i never said third wave ska is the only music i listen to....or like. in fact, read some of my other posts. i endorse pop, punk, rap, hip-hop, reggae, jam band, jazz, and every other type of genre there is. I don't base my preferences on genres; that is a terrible way to go about listening to music. This is not the reason why I don't like Brand New. I would go into my problems with their lyrics, but I thought I made it clear enough in the other 7 responses I have had so far.

Now, in terms of not having a great enough knowledge of the band, I agree - I am not a fountain of knowledge when it comes to Brand New. If, that is, by "knowledge" you mean I know every members name, birthday, zodiac sign, favorite food, turn ons, and eye color. Sorry, no, I am not that big of a fan. On the other hand, I HAVE heard both cds in their entirety multiple times. I have numerous friends who are obsessed with Brand New and have their cds on constant play. I have heard every song (could I name them? probably not) enough times to establish a legitimate opinion on how they sound.

If you really want me to defend myself any further, let me know, because I am more than happy to. I thought I had made myself clear before, but apparently I "am more obscure than a dark night sifting away like the grains of sands that deifine your smile."

Oh, wait? Was that line meaningful to me? nope. Did it sound like Brand New? Yeah

[wkebrder35]

just because you dont understand it, and it doesnt affect you, doesnt mean it sucks. i hate autumn to ashes, do they suck, no. they do an excellent job of their music, i just dont like it, doesnt mean they suck.

[jgirv17]

look at any of my posts....never once did I say that Brand New sucks. All I said is that I dislike their music. I think that is the same idea as with you and Autumn To Ashes.

[at4inthemornin]

Wow -- Finding Westerly = more popular than I thought! Are they ex-Early November too? I loved the June Spirit ~ another New Jersey band...woohoo!

[sweetsugar]

I like them, but I agree with point #2.

[dretti]

brand new kicks ass

you can all go fuck yourselves :p

[wkebrder35]

true dat dretti

[SHTTYWTTY]

Originally posted by jgirv17
Ok....

im more of a ska fan of anything else


Yes, and also more of an idiot. Yes, my avitar is a Brand New avitar. Yes, Brand New is the shit. Yes, I don't really care because you are entitled to like whatever you want. Yes, I'm contradicting myself. Yes, Brand New is the best thing in music today. Yes...I'm done.

[jgirv17]

Originally posted by SHTTYWTTY
Yes, and also more of an idiot. Yes, my avitar is a Brand New avitar. Yes, Brand New is the shit.

No, you're wrong....your avatar is AFI....how quickly did you change it?

[SHTTYWTTY]

oops, so it is. Well, it was Brand New a few days ago. But AFI is the shit also! ... I've so ruined my credibility....DAMNIT!

[DriveTBSthru]

I tottally disagree when i heard brand new's new album i would say yea it did suck but you have to listen to it like 1, 2, 3 times to finally get it and like it. You should expand your musical taste.

[jgirv17]

Originally posted by DriveTBSthru
I tottally disagree when i heard brand new's new album i would say yea it did suck but you have to listen to it like 1, 2, 3 times to finally get it and like it. You should expand your musical taste.

Just because I don't listen to Brand New doesn't mean I don't have broad musical tastes.

Just today I bought cds from Hieroglyphics and Lyrics Born (alternative hip-hop)

recent purchases include: coheed, streetlight manifesto, catch 22, j geils band, zox, jedi mind tricks, virginia coalition.

my cd collection goes from classical, 70s, oldies, 80s, 90s jock jam stuff, alternative, punk, rap...id say i have a decent selection.

[xnotedgex]

Originally posted by jgirv17
j geils band


noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

[jgirv17]

Originally posted by xnotedgex
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

while it's nice to see that of all my choices, this is the only one you have an issue with...i dont really see why. I like their sound, and they're just kind of fun. Whatever, though, to each their own.

[IceCreamCone]

brand new does not suck. they are actually very talented. the fact that they released an acoustic cd kind of annoyed me but songs on their first cd were insane. they are really talented, but they need to play electric

[_neveralone]

I respect your opinion and all, but I personally think they own. Why? Let's see here.

1. The lyrics are so original. They're actually really beautiful. Corny, I know, but admit it. You think 'The No Seat Belt Song' is sweet. But you can go ahead and think whatever you want about the lyrics.
2. The music, guitars and everything. Whoo. Some songs are so energetic, and then the others let you cry when you need it. The beats, the melodies. Everything. Brand New equals true talant.
3. Yeah, so Jesse and Garrett sings. But it does sound great that way. Or so I think...
4. They're great guys. And yes, I know Adam and Jesse had a little dilemma, but it doesn't mean that they aren't cool kids. I mean, I guess you could say the guys of BN are good role models?

So those are just a few reasons, but you can go ahead and think whatever you want to think. But either way, I will always love Brand Nizzle. *bows* I am done...

[BuriedAlive]

Originally posted by jgirv17
Ok....

so before you say the only reason i dislike brand new is because i only listen to pop-punk and cant accept their new, more mature sound, hear me out. (on a side note....i dont only listen to pop punnk...in fact, i dont like much of that at all....im more of a ska fan of anything else...like streetlight manifesto, etc.)


i enjoyed some of the songs from their first album...although i didnt like them too much at that point here. anyway, my main two criticisms of them are:

1. They need to decide on a lead singer. OK, its cool to have a backup singer...but they dont....they have two lead singers...and its annoying.

2 (and the bigger one, for me). They just try soooooo hard to sound deep. They seem to be constantly reaching for a memorable line in every verse, and it shows. There is a line between being insightful and just sounding ludicrous due to trying too hard to be deep...and they flew by it, in a cape...and moon shoes.

agree? disagree? probably disagree...

either way, i wanna hear your opinion.


i agree with you 100% this band has to be in the top 10 most overrated bands. i think they destroy real music. i mean to me they really have no idea what to do. they changed? ya for their record label.

[wkebrder35]

man you guys are dumb, they didnt change for their record label, obviously if they wanted to please their record label, they would have done the same exact thing they did on their first record. obviously, on their new record they had more time to figure out a sound and more freedom to write what they wanted. if you knew anything aobut the music industry you would understand that. besides many songs off the first record were songs they had written in high school before they had even truly found what sound they wanted. maybe they are overratted or not, thats merely opinion of each individual, the fact is they play music they want, not their label.

[dretti]

brand new is not overrated, they deserve everything they get. I don't think enough people like them personally. I think brand new has the best lyrics of almost any band out there. and the new album will hit you. Give it a few listens and its like shit this is good. I didnt like thrice's new one at first but then i stuck it in a couple days ago and i was like shit this is good. just give it a chance.

[xnotedgex]

Originally posted by jgirv17
while it's nice to see that of all my choices, this is the only one you have an issue with...i dont really see why. I like their sound, and they're just kind of fun. Whatever, though, to each their own.


sorry, i actually kind of like the j geils band...it's just so fun and so easy to rip on them (kind of like brand new)

[T0nie2]

Brand New is hella good. shut up!

[takingbackrufio]

Originally posted by T0nie2
Brand New is hella good. shut up! Could've explained why you like them a lil better. I mean seriously, Brand New are severely overrated in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, they are good, I like their music. My Favourite Weapon is one of my favourite albums, but some people blow it way out of perportion, like their the best musicians of all time, and forget that bands like the Ramones, the Beatles, etc, etc. lead to all these other bands. I know how some people feel about Brand New, because I feel that same way about Taking Back Sunday, but hey, we all have our own opinions.

[LightBlueness]

It's funny, because with those complaints, it sounds like you're talking about Taking Back Sunday. Not that I don't like them, because I do. But in the case of TBS, there are very clearly two singers and not a lead and a backup. But the Blood Brothers are amazing and they have to vocalists too.

And on the part of "trying to sound too deep", again, TBS comes to mind. Now that is music that sounds as if every line is trying to be quoted. Seriously. Listen to their CD once and you can bet each and every line has been quoted once in all of those little pop-punk kid's AIM/message board profiles. But even still, their music and their lyrics just seemed to fit.

Brand New is a bit less of both confusing and trying too hard. I think you're quite possibly complaining about the wrong band. But at least you were decent about your comments. Way to be kid:D.

[jgirv17]

Okay, so at the Rancid/Brand New/Switchfoot show last night...

Let me just start off by saying I went to this show to give Brand New another chance, as I have many times. Also, while not being a huge Rancid fan, it is still Rancid...so any chance to see them, I'll take.

Once Brand New took the stage after Switchfoot played a short but good set, all the "street" punks decided it would be cool to start giving them the finger and like refusing to move. Also, they seemed to enjoy running up to someone from behind, punching them, and running away.

Why do I say this? Because I thought it was idiotic. Despite the fact that I don't like Brand New musically, I was not going to disrespect them like that. I would never consider myself "too cool" for their brand of music. People like those other kids at the show really get to me. They are up there, pouring all their energy into a set and some 16 year old with an insecurity problem takes out all his agression on me, other people around me, and the band. Not cool.

Final results after seeing Brand New? They had some good energy (unfortunately, it was hard to notice this while constantly watching my back for kids trying to punch everyone who didn't have a mohawk), but I still stick to my original criticism of the band. I could get into the set somewhat, but I just didn't enjoy the music the much as other groups.

[salimali]

i never liked brand new's first album.i found it whiny, and the same as every other pop punk band.
however after hearing "sic transit gloria..glory fades" i was curious and bought the new album. and strangely enough i like it!
it reminds me alot of the smiths, but more interesting:grin:

[Dan_brown]

Originally posted by jgirv17
dont get me wrong...i have nothing against that type of a setup...its cool when you have two guys who can sing and do so by splitting songs....where its just one singing at one time....brand new, on the other hand, seems to have both singing at the same time... that seems to me to mean that they have no confidence in their abilities on a solo level (from what i have heard, the guy with the higher voice...vinny?....has a lot of trouble hitting his notes in concert)....and, as someone stated before, if this effect is made by layering the lead guys voice, then thats even worse.....

if your voice isnt strong enough on its own without the help of a machine, then you should let someone else try their hand at singing.

I don't get why that's bad....listen to taking back sundays singing...they have two vocal parts going at the same time and I think that's what makes there music so awesome (or atleast part of it)....but I do have to go with you i don't see what is so big about them.....and I also don't know why people are sayin they're pop punk, even tho I haven't listened to them that much, I think that they are hard to classify

[sore arms]

Originally posted by at4inthemornin
Notice a trend people?

Good Charlotte gets popular and everyone hates them....

Blink 182 gets popular and everyone says they have sold out...

New Found Glory shows major success and it's said that they have become too poppy....

Simple Plan..well why the hell did they get popular anyway...fuck them....

Sum 41...that was interesting...they were never that good to begin with...

the Ataris -- well atleast this album didnt sound like all their previous ones...which definitely sounded the same -- you hear two songs, you've heard the entire repertoire...so good for them

but you can't knock Brand New for simply maturing slightly in their lyrics and taking a new edge to their music....they, like lots of other punk bands, and other bands of other genres, use two singers, but by no means is it excessive. Blink uses two singers rather effectively i think, and that is much more usage than BN. I don't really like to see Brand New get so popular and attract all the little girls that seem to plague the music scene...but I cant hate Brand NEw for it...

BTW: Blink 182, NFG, Brand New, Taking Back Sunday...kick ass...no matter how much money they will make...

and Simple Plan/Good Charlotte -- are they even punk to begin with?

...Finding Westerly...now thats a good band --

:ok: exactly.. ::clap:: awesome.. that something i would say lol

[iwannabepunktoo]

i think brand new is alright, but they arent god like a bunch of you think

[takingbackrufio]

Originally posted by iwannabepunktoo
i think brand new is alright, but they arent god like a bunch of you think Agreed. Although, people could say the same thing to me about TBS. ;)

[pUnkKid174]

brand new isnt that bad at all and i can actually sit down and listen to it(and enjoy it too). but they're not one of my favorites either eh.

i listened to brand new for like a week, they are catchy, sort of pop-punk, but there better than simpl plan shit, I just don't think there all that talented, there good at making pop punk music, but anyone can do that, after listening to stuff like AFI and avenged sevenfold, brand new just isn't any good.

brand new are good, and yes, they're a whole lot better than simple plan. not as good as avenged sevenfold, but better than AFI(afi aren't that great). and no, not anyone can make pop punk music, i think. hmmm......

[MJS87]

Brand New is good music, but what annoys me is that Jesse Lacey clearly does his own backup singing. It annoys me when bands do this, like Thursday and The Starting Line.

[theguy77]

hahahaha look at this old fucking thread

[11:11]

Solid bump.

[theguy77]

i love how everyone who posted in here is like in their mid 20s/nearing their 30s now

[Paulb-182]

Yeah I hate how they have two lead singers. Not cool

[speed]

Ok....

so before you say the only reason i dislike brand new is because i only listen to pop-punk and cant accept their new, more mature sound, hear me out. (on a side note....i dont only listen to pop punnk...in fact, i dont like much of that at all....im more of a ska fan of anything else...like streetlight manifesto, etc.)


i enjoyed some of the songs from their first album...although i didnt like them too much at that point here. anyway, my main two criticisms of them are:

1. They need to decide on a lead singer. OK, its cool to have a backup singer...but they dont....they have two lead singers...and its annoying.

2 (and the bigger one, for me). They just try soooooo hard to sound deep. They seem to be constantly reaching for a memorable line in every verse, and it shows. There is a line between being insightful and just sounding ludicrous due to trying too hard to be deep...and they flew by it, in a cape...and moon shoes.

agree? disagree? probably disagree...

either way, i wanna hear your opinion.

I simply don't like them because they suck.

[theguy77]

HAHA adrian villagomez's username used to be Emopunk.

[11:11]

HAHA adrian villagomez's username used to be Emopunk.
Tristan Needler's used to be "shiteater" or something to that effect.

[theguy77]

Tristan Needler's used to be "shiteater" or something to that effect.

no way! thats crazy hahaha cause i feel like ive definitely seen that username at some point in my 3 year tenure on AP.

[xxemo_kittyxx]

Who resurrected this from the times when Jesse Lacey was still unbelievably sexy?

[Paulb-182]

Lacey is still sexy. I refuse to hear blasphemy!

[maxvsmaradona]

Is this real life?

[TachyonEvan]

Is this real life?

Dammit, beat me to it.