am I being paranoid or just precautious.

[updownleftright]

Condoms are 97% safe and with birth control it's even higher. However after finding out that this kid I use to go to school with now has a baby (obviously unplanned), I'm having doubts. I guess it took something like that for me to realize that unplanned pregnancies do happen even when using proper protection. I know its ultimately my decision but, I'm having a really hard time making up my mind about having sex.

and I think this would probably the only thread where it would be okay to say anal so. have at it.

[mrzippo3]

what are you asking?

[Sventhegreat]

making up your mind on what?

[Smash Adams]

am I just paranoid or I'm just stoned?

[updownleftright]

having sex.

i thought the baby clue was clear enough indication that i was talking about accidental pregnancies. sorry for the confusion.

[lovely864md]

The Pill and condoms together.

[TheOtherAndrew]

am I just paranoid or I'm just stoned?
DAMMIT! Beat me to it.

[FatJordan]

anal = no pregnancy.

[mrzippo3]

Use condoms and let her take the pills, it's not that difficult.. you can't live your life in fear of "what if"... you could die in the next car you get in, does that mean you shouldn't drive anymore? Have fun, have some sex.

or

Anal.

[brentkid]

You shouldn't let one instance freak you out like that.

[updownleftright]

Use condoms and let her take the pills, it's not that difficult.. you can't live your life in fear of "what if"... you could die in the next car you get in, does that mean you shouldn't drive anymore? Have fun, have some sex.

or

Anal.

yesyes, but you can still get pregnant even if you're on the pill/using a condom. I was just seeing if any AP members have had to deal with this first person or if it's just a.. 1 in a million thing.

[updownleftright]

You shouldn't let one instance freak you out like that.

it's not just one instance as i'm finding out. a simple search on google will bring up a ton of testimonies of people who have used all the proper protection and still had a kid.

[LansingGaddis]

Everyone has a good pregnancy scare at some point in time. Hopefully you just don't end up with something more than just a scare.

[mrzippo3]

Yes, you know the facts. The only 100% effective way of not having kids is not having sex. So you can either man up, accept that fact, use protection and hit it.. or worry your whole life, not have any sex, and wait until you're ready to have children with your wife.

[brentkid]

Yes, you know the facts. The only 100% effective way of not having kids is not having sex. So you can either man up, accept that fact, use protection and hit it.. or worry your whole life, not have any sex, and wait until you're ready to have children with your wife.
Yep.

[updownleftright]

Yes, you know the facts. The only 100% effective way of not having kids is not having sex. So you can either man up, accept that fact, use protection and hit it.. or worry your whole life, not have any sex, and wait until you're ready to have children with your wife.

exactly! its either manning up or waiting until marriage. i'm really torn between the two.

[LV03]

the kid with the baby---did he use protection?

[pewpewpewpew]

here's an idea. before you go all wyatt erup and erupt inside her like mount vesuvius, how about you pull out even with a condom and her being on the pill and just have her like blow you or jack you off until you blow it on her face or tits. that way you can see where your little love juice goes and know 100 percent you are safe because you can't make babies from the mouth or tits or ass for that matter. that way you can:

1. still get pumps in
2. hate fuck her if needed
3. still have a future and go to school
4. ejaculate your little sprouts somewhere funner on her body than inside her tainted crusted fly trap.


like do you have problem downstairs were you can't tell when you are gonna blow it so you just do it in her hoping the percentages will take care of themselves? are you that.... dumb? no offense.

[saysmydoctor]

One word:

Vasectomy.

[saysmydoctor]

here's an idea. before you go all wyatt erup and erupt inside her like mount vesuvius, how about you pull out even with a condom and her being on the pill and just have her like blow you or jack you off until you blow it on her face or tits. that way you can see where your little love juice goes and know 100 percent you are safe because you can't make babies from the mouth or tits or ass for that matter. that way you can:

1. still get pumps in
2. hate fuck her if needed
3. still have a future and go to school
4. ejaculate your little sprouts somewhere funner on her body than inside her tainted crusted fly trap.


like do you have problem downstairs were you can't tell when you are gonna blow it so you just do it in her hoping the percentages will take care of themselves? are you that.... dumb? no offense.
Sigged.

[anamericangod]

Pretty sure most 10 year olds are porking these days. At 20 I think you can be responsible enough to not have a kid. If she's not on birth control, use a condom. If she's a random hookup, give her a fake name and disappear.

[updownleftright]

the kid with the baby---did he use protection?

not sure. i have friends who were 'accidents' though.

here's an idea. before you go all wyatt erup and erupt inside her like mount vesuvius, how about you pull out even with a condom and her being on the pill and just have her like blow you or jack you off until you blow it on her face or tits. that way you can see where your little love juice goes and know 100 percent you are safe because you can't make babies from the mouth or tits or ass for that matter. that way you can:

1. still get pumps in
2. hate fuck her if needed
3. still have a future and go to school
4. ejaculate your little sprouts somewhere funner on her body than inside her tainted crusted fly trap.


like do you have problem downstairs were you can't tell when you are gonna blow it so you just do it in her hoping the percentages will take care of themselves? are you that.... dumb? no offense.

haha goodgreif.. that's certainly, one way to approach the situation. as you may or may not have noticed, i'm a bit prude in this department (as is she), so some of those might seem a bit. um.. detailed.

it's funny you mention if i have a problem or not, because i'm not sure anymore. it's incredibly embarrassing but, i can't really.. get it going sometimes, if you know what i mean. my friend thinks i should get something like viagra but, yeah. i'm not that old.

[sdbrown]

Not that it's surefire, but use a condom, birth control and don't have sex when there's a really high likelihood she'll get pregnant (~14 days before her period according to online)

[updownleftright]

Not that it's surefire, but use a condom, birth control and don't have sex when there's a really high likelihood she'll get pregnant (~14 days before her period according to online)

did not know this, thanks for the tip.

[notoaststereo]

Yes, you know the facts. The only 100% effective way of not having kids is not having sex. So you can either man up, accept that fact, use protection and hit it.. or worry your whole life, not have any sex, and wait until you're ready to have children with your wife.
http://www.ewtn.com/devotionals/heart/maryHeart.jpg


Abstinence: 99.9% Effective.

[sdbrown]

http://www.ewtn.com/devotionals/heart/maryHeart.jpg


Abstinence: 99.9% Effective.
hahahahahaha

[thetrueblood]

Condoms are 97% safe and with birth control it's even higher. However after finding out that this kid I use to go to school with now has a baby (obviously unplanned), I'm having doubts. I guess it took something like that for me to realize that unplanned pregnancies do happen even when using proper protection. I know its ultimately my decision but, I'm having a really hard time making up my mind about having sex.

and I think this would probably the only thread where it would be okay to say anal so. have at it.

pulling out is 100 percent effective.

so is "that's not my kid. it doesn't even look like me. it looks mexican!"

[pewpewpewpew]

not sure. i have friends who were 'accidents' though.



haha goodgreif.. that's certainly, one way to approach the situation. as you may or may not have noticed, i'm a bit prude in this department (as is she), so some of those might seem a bit. um.. detailed.

it's funny you mention if i have a problem or not, because i'm not sure anymore. it's incredibly embarrassing but, i can't really.. get it going sometimes, if you know what i mean. my friend thinks i should get something like viagra but, yeah. i'm not that old.


well my serious tip would be if you really are 20 years old... whatever you do


do-not-get-VIAGRA.



but seriously, if you can't get it up did you ever think you might need a hotter girl? maybe you get hard from guys? or have her fucking spice it up a bit. Tell her not to fucking lay there like a dead starfish and get fucking kinky. Maybe you have a wild side that needs sparked before your little cadet can go to work. There is more to sex than just leaving it her and shooting goo inside her hoping the numbers and percentages will save you every month. You are suppose to enjoy it not fucking worry about it. Especially at 20 years old.


But serious no Viagra for the sake of you being young.

[YourFaceIsFunny]

yesyes, but you can still get pregnant even if you're on the pill/using a condom. I was just seeing if any AP members have had to deal with this first person or if it's just a.. 1 in a million thing.

That seems like a one in a million thing to me for a girl to get preggo with a condom and the pill.
Just make sure you're using the condom right and she's taking the pill right.
*shrug* I'd say it's worth a try.

[updownleftright]

well my serious tip would be if you really are 20 years old... whatever you do


do-not-get-VIAGRA.



but seriously, if you can't get it up did you ever think you might need a hotter girl? maybe you get hard from guys? or have her fucking spice it up a bit. Tell her not to fucking lay there like a dead starfish and get fucking kinky. Maybe you have a wild side that needs sparked before your little cadet can go to work. There is more to sex than just leaving it her and shooting goo inside her hoping the numbers and percentages will save you every month. You are suppose to enjoy it not fucking worry about it. Especially at 20 years old.


But serious no Viagra for the sake of you being young.

hahaha your metaphors are hilarious. but yeah, i'm going to stay off anything like viagra, it must be some outside factor. i guess i just need to figure out what that is. i honestly don't think it's her physical appearance that is lacking though, because she is easily one of the most attractive girls i've ever seen.

That seems like a one in a million thing to me for a girl to get preggo with a condom and the pill.
Just make sure you're using the condom right and she's taking the pill right.
*shrug* I'd say it's worth a try.

yeah, some of the replies on here are making me feel more sure about that decision as well.

[riseagainst89]

20 and a virgin.... just get laid and stop being so damn sketchy about it Jesus fucking live life, my last ex was on the pill i went out for a year and pretty much raw dogged it the hole time no pregnancy its all in the luck of the draw.

[Neo Cassady]

It's already been said, but if you use a condom (correctly), she's on the pill (correctly), and you pull out, there's essentially no chance of her getting preggers.

[lauren<3s music]

anal = no pregnancy.

not true. there was actually a few cases where if shit is deformed the tubes are so close that anal = child. skettchy

[pewpewpewpew]

hahaha your metaphors are hilarious. but yeah, i'm going to stay off anything like viagra, it must be some outside factor. i guess i just need to figure out what that is. i honestly don't think it's her physical appearance that is lacking though, because she is easily one of the most attractive girls i've ever seen.



with that said the sex might be lacking from her end. I am telling you try a few pumps and having her finish you off a different way instead of just exploding in her crust cave. You might enjoy it/feel safer. Good luck and Godspeed young jedi.

[pewpewpewpew]

not true. there was actually a few cases where if shit is deformed the tubes are so close that anal = child. skettchy

funny joke you got there Dr. Phil

[lauren<3s music]

funny joke you got there Dr. Phil

swear to god. i was like holy fuck. i mean i think there's like a .00001% chance it could happen.



in any event, i say stop being such a pussy and go get some

[lovely864md]

I had a friend who got pregnant while on the Pill and using condoms, so it is possible. But honestly the chance is so miniscule, this was a one in a million chance.

[FatJordan]

not true. there was actually a few cases where if shit is deformed the tubes are so close that anal = child. skettchy

If you make a butt baby you're pretty much entitled to keep it. I mean, Virgin Mary was a virgin and we all know about HER child.

[lauren<3s music]

If you make a butt baby you're pretty much entitled to keep it. I mean, Virgin Mary was a virgin and we all know about HER child.

hahahahhhaa

[The Database]

lolololol butt baby

[updownleftright]

I had a friend who got pregnant while on the Pill and using condoms, so it is possible. But honestly the chance is so miniscule, this was a one in a million chance.

scary.

[meliisssaaaa]

i really don't know what to tell you. pregnancy is one of those things where people don't think it can happen to them (or their girl), but it does. just be safe and smart in whatever you do is all i can say, i guess.

[LoveLostShuffle]

yeah dude you are totally being parinoid you got nothing at all to worry about babies are bad news just be careful

[vixsummer]

If you still nervous about the condom/pill combo, add some other things in there:

-Use spermicidal lube or get condoms with it already on there.
-Have your girl look into other kinds of birth control. There is the risk of human error if she doesn't take the pill at the same exact time everyday - and most people don't. She could go on the shot, the ring, get an IUD, ect. The shot and the IUD at least reduce that human error risk because a doctor administers them. Go to the Planned Parenthood website and see what makes the most sense for your situation.
-Find out if your state/county carries the morning after pill over the counter, if that's something you're comfortable with.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

I'm pretty sure that people who do the pill/condom combo and still get pregnant have made one of the following mistakes:

1) Missing a pill and not saying anything
2) Breaking the condom
3) A combination of 1 & 2
4) Busting inside the female
5) A combination of 1, 2 and 4.

[hero_dujour]

here's a question:

what's up with the morning-after pill? (emergency contraception)
is it bad to use those often? if not, then why don't people use them more?

[Nametekken]

she cant get prego if she is on top. Its all about gravity.

[xvszero]

My mother and sister both work at a pregnancy clinic, they say a LOT of the girls come in there confused because "I was on protection, how did this happen?"

It happens.

I wouldn't say you are being paranoid. Accept that it happens. Accept that no matter what, you CAN get a girl pregnant if you have sex. Make your sexual decisions with this knowledge.

Personally I won't have sex with a girl unless I am in a relationship with her and she understands that IF she gets pregnant, I'm not going to run away from my responsibilities. There are never any guarantees that it will all work out nicely, but it would be a much better situation than getting some girl I had a drunken one night stand with pregnant.

[.Nihilist.]

you should just go for anal if your that worried about it. im not going to lie, pregnancy is a big issue so if you stick it in her ass you should be fine. i would say just dont have sex, but i mean who would really listen to that. if your not into to anal, you can do the pill and condom together, but people still get knocked up both ways. now the morning after pill. that will do you some good

[.Nihilist.]

here's a question:

what's up with the morning-after pill? (emergency contraception)
is it bad to use those often? if not, then why don't people use them more?


the morning after pill is exremely bad fr your body, it shreds your uteris wall or whatever the fuck its called, alot of people believe that it just wooop kills the sperm and egg and all that shit, but come on do you really think it would be that easy to do that, you should not take them like but, even if you do it once it can still cause damage

[xvszero]

Also the morning after pill is really meant for "accidents," it isn't realistic to try to use it as a primary form of birth control.

[xvszero]

I'm pretty sure that people who do the pill/condom combo and still get pregnant have made one of the following mistakes:

2) Breaking the condom


MADE this mistake? Often it is a manufacturing mistake, either way I don't think anyone plans to break a condom. It just happens.

Especially if you like ROUGH SEX.

[hero_dujour]

the morning after pill is exremely bad fr your body, it shreds your uteris wall or whatever the fuck its called, alot of people believe that it just wooop kills the sperm and egg and all that shit, but come on do you really think it would be that easy to do that, you should not take them like but, even if you do it once it can still cause damage

okay thanks! yeah that's what I figured, because if it wasn't harmful it would be so much more popular

[hero_dujour]

she cant get prego if she is on top. Its all about gravity.

love that movie!

[xvszero]

okay thanks! yeah that's what I figured, because if it wasn't harmful it would be so much more popular

It's not that it is harmful so much as that it has to be taken ASAP and there are some hoops to jump through to get it. And it's somewhat expensive.

I think in a lot of cases where say... a condom tears or something... by the time people actually realize how serious it can be, their indecision has already beaten them.

[.Nihilist.]

okay thanks! yeah that's what I figured, because if it wasn't harmful it would be so much more popular

yeah, i guess they had that big issue with putting it over the counter, maybe they think it would encourage young people to have un protected sex and just be like eh w/e i can take care of it

[hero_dujour]

It's not that it is harmful so much as that it has to be taken ASAP and there are some hoops to jump through to get it. And it's somewhat expensive.

I think in a lot of cases where say... a condom tears or something... by the time people actually realize how serious it can be, their indecision has already beaten them.

I guess it can be helpful occasionally but people don't always realize if the condom ripped or something like that

[vixsummer]

yeah, i guess they had that big issue with putting it over the counter, maybe they think it would encourage young people to have un protected sex and just be like eh w/e i can take care of it

The same way condoms don't encourage people to have sex, the morning after pill doesn't encourage people to have unsafe sex. The reason they had a problem putting it over the counter was because people thought it was the "abortion pill", which is something else entirely, and some pharmacists and consumers had moral issues with that being readily available and tried to stop it.

[hero_dujour]

yeah, i guess they had that big issue with putting it over the counter, maybe they think it would encourage young people to have un protected sex and just be like eh w/e i can take care of it

i dont think people should think that it would encourage teen to have sex, protected or unprotected. "when the urge comes, it comes" lol

[.Nihilist.]

either way. its bad shit.

[hero_dujour]

just wondering, are you pro-choice or pro-life?

[Alexxx]

Do it.

[meliisssaaaa]

here's a question:

what's up with the morning-after pill? (emergency contraception)
is it bad to use those often? if not, then why don't people use them more?

it is extremely unhealthy.

[xvszero]

The same way condoms don't encourage people to have sex, the morning after pill doesn't encourage people to have unsafe sex. The reason they had a problem putting it over the counter was because people thought it was the "abortion pill", which is something else entirely, and some pharmacists and consumers had moral issues with that being readily available and tried to stop it.

Condoms don't encourage people to have sex? Both pregnancy AND abortion rates have risen since birth control became readily available. Maybe it doesn't ENCOURAGE people to have sex, but it lets them feel more free about engaging in sex because it reduces the consequences.

The moral issue is that while birth control acts to prevent a fertilization, the morning after pill acts to prevent the implantation of a fertilized egg, and many people believe life begins at fertilization. It is technically an abortion because development doesn't start until implantation, so nothing is being "stopped"... but it is pretty borderline depending on when you believe life starts.

[thatsignant]

if you have a child using a condom and birth control than the kid will more than likely grow up to be a professional athlete/gladiator.

[hero_dujour]

Condoms don't encourage people to have sex? Both pregnancy AND abortion rates have risen since birth control became readily available. Maybe it doesn't ENCOURAGE people to have sex, but it lets them feel more free about engaging in sex because it reduces the consequences.

People will have sex whether or not condoms, birth control, morning-after pills, and abortion clinics are at hand. Imagine how high those rates would be if we did NOT have the pre-cautions. Speaking of those rates, did you find them on a chart or something that shows the statistics for pregnancy and abortion over the past century? Or did you just make a logical guess? I'm curious about the sharp changes that must have come with the legalization of abortion in the U.S in 1973.

[xvszero]

People will have sex whether or not condoms, birth control, morning-after pills, and abortion clinics are at hand. Imagine how high those rates would be if we did NOT have the pre-cautions. Speaking of those rates, did you find them on a chart or something that shows the statistics for pregnancy and abortion over the past century? Or did you just make a logical guess? I'm curious about the sharp changes that must have come with the legalization of abortion in the U.S in 1973.

The statistics are on the center for disease control website.

Imagine how high those rates would be without precautions? I think they would be much lower. The sexual revolution was a culture that came about BECAUSE of those precautions... and for hundreds of years before that the rates were lower. Before that people really, really had to think hard about who they had sex with, because if you had sex, you would probably get pregnant eventually, and you would probably get diseases.

"Safe" sex becomes prevalent, and the rates rise. Coincidence? If you want to believe that. Anyone who looks at sexual culture in the bigger picture will see a direct cause and effect though.

People aren't just always automatically going to do anything, especially high risk activities. The safer you make something, the more people will do it... this is just common sense.

I know I have never and will not have sex without protection. Would you?

[.Nihilist.]

just wondering, are you pro-choice or pro-life?


PRO CHOICE for sure.

[hero_dujour]

The statistics are on the center for disease control website.

Imagine how high those rates would be without precautions? I think they would be much lower. The sexual revolution was a culture that came about BECAUSE of those precautions... and for hundreds of years before that the rates were lower. Before that people really, really had to think hard about who they had sex with, because if you had sex, you would probably get pregnant eventually, and you would probably get diseases.

"Safe" sex becomes prevalent, and the rates rise. Coincidence? If you want to believe that. Anyone who looks at sexual culture in the bigger picture will see a direct cause and effect though.

People aren't just always automatically going to do anything, especially high risk activities. The safer you make something, the more people will do it... this is just common sense.

I know I have never and will not have sex without protection. Would you?

Of course I would never have sex without protection. Statistics ARE higher, but it isn't only due to precautions. Unless there's a link between the media and birth control?

[hero_dujour]

PRO CHOICE for sure.

^o^ me too!

[xvszero]

Of course I would never have sex without protection. Statistics ARE higher, but it isn't only due to precautions. Unless there's a link between the media and birth control?

That is the main reason though. I mean seriously... if you can talk to grandparents about this stuff talk to yours. Things were a LOT different back when having sex meant that you would probably get pregnant, and when getting pregnant meant that you would probably be raising a child. It makes it a real responsibility, as opposed to now when sex ed programs teach you that if you wrap it, you're having "safe sex."

Once birth control and abortion became easily accessible, the whole hippy "free love" crap came around. And the only thing that slowed that down was the AIDs scare, but that didn't slow it down much.

The problem is safe sex isn't nearly as safe as some would have you believe, hence all the teen pregnancies.

[updownleftright]

My mother and sister both work at a pregnancy clinic, they say a LOT of the girls come in there confused because "I was on protection, how did this happen?"

It happens.

I wouldn't say you are being paranoid. Accept that it happens. Accept that no matter what, you CAN get a girl pregnant if you have sex. Make your sexual decisions with this knowledge.

Personally I won't have sex with a girl unless I am in a relationship with her and she understands that IF she gets pregnant, I'm not going to run away from my responsibilities. There are never any guarantees that it will all work out nicely, but it would be a much better situation than getting some girl I had a drunken one night stand with pregnant.

how many is a lot? since your family works at a pregnancy clinic it seems you would know your stuff. is the pill/condom duo really all that safe?

[hero_dujour]

That is the main reason though. I mean seriously... if you can talk to grandparents about this stuff talk to yours. Things were a LOT different back when having sex meant that you would probably get pregnant, and when getting pregnant meant that you would probably be raising a child. It makes it a real responsibility, as opposed to now when sex ed programs teach you that if you wrap it, you're having "safe sex."

Once birth control and abortion became easily accessible, the whole hippy "free love" crap came around. And the only thing that slowed that down was the AIDs scare, but that didn't slow it down much.

The problem is safe sex isn't nearly as safe as some would have you believe, hence all the teen pregnancies.

Touche! Good argument, lol.

[xvszero]

how many is a lot? since your family works at a pregnancy clinic it seems you would know your stuff. is the pill/condom duo really all that safe?

I know my stuff pretty well, but not necessarily because they worked at this place. Mostly my own research.

The pill/condom combo is very safe if used correctly, something like 99.99% effective. BUT... used correctly is the key. Girl can't be late or miss a single pill, condoms can't slip or break.

Pill alone is fairly effective, but nowhere near as good as the combo.

Condoms alone... bad idea.

[updownleftright]

I know my stuff pretty well, but not necessarily because they worked at this place. Mostly my own research.

The pill/condom combo is very safe if used correctly, something like 99.99% effective. BUT... used correctly is the key. Girl can't be late or miss a single pill, condoms can't slip or break.

Pill alone is fairly effective, but nowhere near as good as the combo.

Condoms alone... bad idea.

goodgreif.. that's high. well, that helps me make my answer a little better. thanks.

[FatJordan]

you should just go for anal if your that worried about it. im not going to lie, pregnancy is a big issue so if you stick it in her ass you should be fine.

Marry me?

[xvszero]

Everyone approaches things a bit differently really.

To me, it is a matter of... even considering that with the pill + condoms the odds are very good, they aren't perfect. They're good enough for taking that risk with someone I know and care about and who does the same for me so that if something happens we can get together and figure out what to do mutually...

But to just mess around with some random girl who I may or may not ever see again? Not worth it.

[hero_dujour]

...
you can get pregnant even having anal sex

[xvszero]

Not really, unless you slip out and shove it in the wrong hole.

[updownleftright]

Everyone approaches things a bit differently really.

To me, it is a matter of... even considering that with the pill + condoms the odds are very good, they aren't perfect. They're good enough for taking that risk with someone I know and care about and who does the same for me so that if something happens we can get together and figure out what to do mutually...

But to just mess around with some random girl who I may or may not ever see again? Not worth it.

completely agree.

ps i found some reliable stats after a quick question i asked on another site.

if you use a condom correctly for all genital contact and it does not tear or break, then you do not have a pregnancy risk. The only time there is a risk is when the condom breaks. With perfect use, the failure rate of a condom is less than 2%.

With hormonal birth control, the failure rate is less than 1% if it's used correctly (taken at the same time, every day, with no missed or late pills).

So, if you combine those two, you have almost zero risk.

[xvszero]

if you use a condom correctly for all genital contact and it does not tear or break, then you do not have a pregnancy risk.

Not true, there are microscopic tears that still allow trace amounts of semen through.

Condoms alone are really terrible birth control, comparitively.

[dustyfloors]

I'd say do the pill/condom combo.
Myself and my girl practice this combo & I still pull out.

It gives me piece of mind & I can enjoy it instead of worrying...
Also target practice is fun.

Seriously though if you're this worried going into I'd hold off... It's going to suck if you're all tense & worried about the possibility of raising a kid while you're hooking up...

[dustyfloors]

But to just mess around with some random girl who I may or may not ever see again? Not worth it.

Right, that's when you take the "giving her an alias" route.

[xvszero]

Right, that's when you take the "giving her an alias" route.

I don't lie to girls to get laid.

Either way the point is if she got pregnant I would want to know for sure I WOULD be on good terms with her and that she knew she could trust me and come to me right away... not sit around wondering if I have children running around out there.

[.Nihilist.]

Marry me?


hahah.

[chronomic]

the only reason birth control isnt 100% effective is because dumb bitches dont take it properly. if its a girl you can trust then youre all clear.

condomed sex is not nearly as good as non-condomed


and when in doubt, pull out. plus its fun for target practice like that dude above said haha

[.Nihilist.]

the only reason birth control isnt 100% effective is because dumb bitches dont take it properly. if its a girl you can trust then youre all clear.



ok that sir is total bullshit, even if it is taken properly, and you use a condom, it does not matter, sperm is very powerfull, unless you have a low sperm count birth control can not always do what is it supposed to. alot of the time girls ddont take it like they should, but you cant put all the blame on them, birth control is NEVER 100 % effective, no matter what. Pulling out is the worst thing you can do, wow.

[chronomic]

ok that sir is total bullshit, even if it is taken properly, and you use a condom, it does not matter, sperm is very powerfull, unless you have a low sperm count birth control can not always do what is it supposed to. alot of the time girls ddont take it like they should, but you cant put all the blame on them, birth control is NEVER 100 % effective, no matter what. Pulling out is the worst thing you can do, wow.

shhhh :zip:

[xvszero]

the only reason birth control isnt 100% effective is because dumb bitches dont take it properly. if its a girl you can trust then youre all clear.

And this is precisely the attitude that leads to a lot of very confused girls at the pregnancy clinics.

Seriously, what do they actually teach kids in sex ed nowadays? Because no one ever seems to have any idea what the hell they are talking about.

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And this is precisely the attitude that leads to a lot of very confused girls at the pregnancy clinics.

Seriously, what do they actually teach kids in sex ed nowadays? Because no one ever seems to have any idea what the hell they are talking about.

They are teaching them not to have sex. That's the god damn problem

[xvszero]

I don't know any sex ed programs that don't teach kids statistics though, and these conservative ones people seem to hate so much would be presenting things as LESS safe if anything, so why do kids always come out thinking things are MORE safe than they actually are? Every time I see someone mistaken about sex it is always mistaken on the one side, not the other.

The problem is, they never present this stuff correctly. Kids won't remember statistics any better than they remember dates of battles in history class.

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I don't know any sex ed programs that don't teach kids statistics though, and these conservative ones people seem to hate so much would be presenting things as LESS safe if anything, so why do kids always come out thinking things are MORE safe than they actually are? Every time I see someone mistaken about sex it is always mistaken on the one side, not the other.

The problem is, they never present this stuff correctly. Kids won't remember statistics any better than they remember dates of battles in history class.

hahahahaha. wow. really you need to get out more. they're not teaching them statistics, primarily just using scare tactics and spreading misinformation [which is how you get the confusion about what works and what doesn't].

what i don't understand is why they don't have a medical professional come in and explain the mechanics of different forms of birth control in great detail from abstinence to the pill to condoms. then everyone would be on the same page as far as how to and effectiveness.

[xvszero]

hahahahaha. wow. really you need to get out more. they're not teaching them statistics, primarily just using scare tactics and spreading misinformation [which is how you get the confusion about what works and what doesn't].

what i don't understand is why they don't have a medical professional come in and explain the mechanics of different forms of birth control in great detail from abstinence to the pill to condoms. then everyone would be on the same page as far as how to and effectiveness.

I need to get out more? Unless I sneak into a teenage sex ed program I'm not sure what getting out would do.

I actually look into various specific sex ed programs though, and know what the actual curriculum is for these programs, what are you basing your information on?

They probably don't have actual medical professionals come in and talk very often because medical professionals (and firemen, and policemen, etc.) generally have no idea how to control a classroom, and yeah... teaching is as much about controlling the students behavior as it is teaching them.

Either way having someone come in once won't do anything. Problem children dislike school in general, they won't retain much from a onetime session.

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I need to get out more? Unless I sneak into a teenage sex ed program I'm not sure what getting out would do.

I actually look into various specific sex ed programs though, and know what the actual curriculum is for these programs, what are you basing your information on?

They probably don't have actual medical professionals come in and talk very often because medical professionals (and firemen, and policemen, etc.) generally have no idea how to control a classroom, and yeah... teaching is as much about controlling the students behavior as it is teaching them.

Either way having someone come in once won't do anything. Problem children dislike school in general, they won't retain much from a onetime session.

Might take you out of your bubble a bit.

The Hill briefings I attend put on by various nonprofits such siecus, family planning coalition, guttmacher institute, etc.

Right so when you're attending nursing school, taught by a nursing faculty member they don't understand the principals of teaching. okay THAT makes sense.

See this is why I cant respect you. Generalizations like that that lead to the assumption if you get pregnant, can't quote the proper statistic, etc that you are a problem child. Adults have the responsibility to educate kids about sex and are clearly failing.


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[xvszero]

Right so when you're attending nursing school, taught by a nursing faculty member they don't understand the principals of teaching. okay THAT makes sense.

Teaching children is a LOT different than teaching nursing students who pay to be there and want to learn. I taught K-8 for a few years, discipline is a huge issue nowadays, talk to any teacher and you will know it is a messy situation. And when outside people come in for talks, you know how kids look at it? Like it's a "free day." You have to earn student's respect, you can't just waltz in there and expect them to listen to you.

See this is why I cant respect you. Generalizations like that that lead to the assumption if you get pregnant, can't quote the proper statistic, etc that you are a problem child.

That isn't what I said at all, you are reversing it. What I said is problem children don't retain information well. Any teacher can tell you this. You can go over fractions for a month, the "good" kids tend to pick it up right away, the problem kids are still failing after a month of learning. Mostly because THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT LEARNING. You can't really force that on kids, it is something teacher's and administrators and everyone else in the educational field are trying to deal with, but there is no easy answer.

HOWEVER... sex ed is different than math and science and reading, because information helps, but misinformation can seriously hurt children. And one thing a lot of people don't like to admit is that information can (and, as per talking with many, many people about this, usually does) become misinformation if the presentation isn't done correctly.

Frankly, it is very disturbing to me (and should be to EVERYONE) that most teenagers come out of sex ed programs thinking sex is safer than it is. This type of misinformation hurts teenagers a lot. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I think we have to stop pretending just presenting "correct" information means kids retain that information correctly. They don't.

Adults have the responsibility to educate kids about sex and are clearly failing.

I agree with this 100%, though I imagine we would disagree on the details.

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Teaching children is a LOT different than teaching nursing students who pay to be there and want to learn. I taught K-8 for a few years, discipline is a huge issue nowadays, talk to any teacher and you will know it is a messy situation. And when outside people come in for talks, you know how kids look at it? Like it's a "free day." You have to earn student's respect, you can't just waltz in there and expect them to listen to you.



That isn't what I said at all, you are reversing it. What I said is problem children don't retain information well. Any teacher can tell you this. You can go over fractions for a month, the "good" kids tend to pick it up right away, the problem kids are still failing after a month of learning. Mostly because THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT LEARNING. You can't really force that on kids, it is something teacher's and administrators and everyone else in the educational field are trying to deal with, but there is no easy answer.

HOWEVER... sex ed is different than math and science and reading, because information helps, but misinformation can seriously hurt children. And one thing a lot of people don't like to admit is that information can (and, as per talking with many, many people about this, usually does) become misinformation if the presentation isn't done correctly.

Frankly, it is very disturbing to me (and should be to EVERYONE) that most teenagers come out of sex ed programs thinking sex is safer than it is. This type of misinformation hurts teenagers a lot. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I think we have to stop pretending just presenting "correct" information means kids retain that information correctly. They don't.



I agree with this 100%, though I imagine we would disagree on the details.

Fine maybe i misread it, but learning about sex and learning in general are different. and the "problem children" you refer to are probably going to be more interested in sex so i still think they would all have an equal chance at being interested in correct information.

i dont think someone should waltz in but i think that there should be some coteaching. i mean i think a lot of people are embarassed to ask the teacher they see day in and day out questions whereas they may be more comfortable asking a health care professional.

i agree with you on the whole information/misinformation thing. i think where a lot of it goes wrong [at least from my own experience which wasn't so long ago] is the harping on no sex is safe. yes this is true, but quite frankly chances are half the room youre talking to is already fucking so you need to teach everyone to have safe sex.

and for the record i dont think the 98% vs 99% is the biggest problem. i think its the oh yeah sure the pill is perfect or condoms work all the time. the generalizations screw you. and yes i think we probably would disagree

[chronomic]

Fine maybe i misread it, but learning about sex and learning in general are different. and the "problem children" you refer to are probably going to be more interested in sex so i still think they would all have an equal chance at being interested in correct information.

i dont think someone should waltz in but i think that there should be some coteaching. i mean i think a lot of people are embarassed to ask the teacher they see day in and day out questions whereas they may be more comfortable asking a health care professional.

i agree with you on the whole information/misinformation thing. i think where a lot of it goes wrong [at least from my own experience which wasn't so long ago] is the harping on no sex is safe. yes this is true, but quite frankly chances are half the room youre talking to is already fucking so you need to teach everyone to have safe sex.

and for the record i dont think the 98% vs 99% is the biggest problem. i think its the oh yeah sure the pill is perfect or condoms work all the time. the generalizations screw you. and yes i think we probably would disagree

do you really think that kids believe that? if anything, the thing i remember most about my sex ed class is the exact opposite of that. im not saying there arnt stupid people out there, but from what i get from my peers and what not is that they are very educated about safe sex but more or less just choose to ignore the facts.

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do you really think that kids believe that? if anything, the thing i remember most about my sex ed class is the exact opposite of that. im not saying there arnt stupid people out there, but from what i get from my peers and what not is that they are very educated about safe sex but more or less just choose to ignore the facts.

no i dont but i believe a lot of people aren't informed about the facts related to having safe sex to the extent they should be.

[xvszero]

Fine maybe i misread it, but learning about sex and learning in general are different. and the "problem children" you refer to are probably going to be more interested in sex so i still think they would all have an equal chance at being interested in correct information.

But they don't. In general they do just as poorly in sex ed class as any other class. A lot of these kids are so down on life even if you DID make them realize how unsafe something was, they wouldn't care. But based on their performance in sex ed, they aren't learning anyway, so it is hard to say for sure.

i dont think someone should waltz in but i think that there should be some coteaching. i mean i think a lot of people are embarassed to ask the teacher they see day in and day out questions whereas they may be more comfortable asking a health care professional.

I don't really disagree with this, and it does help to have an actual authority on the matter (because lots of kids question their teacher's authority... I know this. I have had students who actually wanted me to PROVE that I understood what I was talking about... they asked what college I went to, what my degree was, blah blah blah.)

i agree with you on the whole information/misinformation thing. i think where a lot of it goes wrong [at least from my own experience which wasn't so long ago] is the harping on no sex is safe. yes this is true, but quite frankly chances are half the room youre talking to is already fucking so you need to teach everyone to have safe sex.

I think there should definitely be a stress on no sex is the only safe sex, and moreso a stress on the fact that all sex carries real physical and emotional risks regardless of protection, and even MORESO a stress on the fact that if you wait till say... college or later... that won't somehow stunt your sexual development or make you undesirable, and even MORE a stress on the fact that, regardless of what your friends are saying, an awful lot of high schoolers are virgins and planning to remain so for awhile. Obviously there should be discussions on various forms of protection as well, but we have to help create a CULTURE where kids realize their sexual decisions shouldn't be influenced by their friends or by their misinformed perceptions of what they should already be doing by this point.

Really though experiences differ. I grew up in a liberal area, abstinence was glossed over and any thought to actual sexual morals was glossed over and it was basically presented as... anything you have interest in or want to do or actually do is perfectly ok as long as you use protection. What does that actually teach anyone? If schools approached drug education or even driving education or anything else with risks in this manner parents would FREAK OUT, but they seem to trust the schools undoubtedly when it comes to sex ed.

and for the record i dont think the 98% vs 99% is the biggest problem. i think its the oh yeah sure the pill is perfect or condoms work all the time. the generalizations screw you. and yes i think we probably would disagree

I think it is a pretty big problem though. Most teenagers seem to think that condoms are 99% effective when in real life, actual usage they are about 85% effective, and less so for disease prevention. This is the kind of misinformation I am speaking of that is actually dangerous to children.

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But they don't. In general they do just as poorly in sex ed class as any other class. A lot of these kids are so down on life even if you DID make them realize how unsafe something was, they wouldn't care. But based on their performance in sex ed, they aren't learning anyway, so it is hard to say for sure.

I don't really disagree with this, and it does help to have an actual authority on the matter (because lots of kids question their teacher's authority... I know this. I have had students who actually wanted me to PROVE that I understood what I was talking about... they asked what college I went to, what my degree was, blah blah blah.)

I think there should definitely be a stress on no sex is the only safe sex, and moreso a stress on the fact that all sex carries real physical and emotional risks regardless of protection, and even MORESO a stress on the fact that if you wait till say... college or later... that won't somehow stunt your sexual development or make you undesirable, and even MORE a stress on the fact that, regardless of what your friends are saying, an awful lot of high schoolers are virgins and planning to remain so for awhile. Obviously there should be discussions on various forms of protection as well, but we have to help create a CULTURE where kids realize their sexual decisions shouldn't be influenced by their friends or by their misinformed perceptions of what they should already be doing by this point.

Really though experiences differ. I grew up in a liberal area, abstinence was glossed over and any thought to actual sexual morals was glossed over and it was basically presented as... anything you have interest in or want to do or actually do is perfectly ok as long as you use protection. What does that actually teach anyone? If schools approached drug education or even driving education or anything else with risks in this manner parents would FREAK OUT, but they seem to trust the schools undoubtedly when it comes to sex ed.

I think it is a pretty big problem though. Most teenagers seem to think that condoms are 99% effective when in real life, actual usage they are about 85% effective, and less so for disease prevention. This is the kind of misinformation I am speaking of that is actually dangerous to children.

the only thing i'm going to comment on is the last paragraph because clearly you can't read. I said difference between 98 v 99. the difference bw 85 v. 99 is huge.

[.Nihilist.]

shhhh :zip:


sorry. did not mean to spill the beans

[brentkid]

I'm honestly more afraid of getting some nasty STD than getting a girl preggo. I guess people live differently.

[NonConformPunk]

Pull out method doesn't work; precum contains sperm.
Anal isn't a safe method either as the flesh seperating the vagina and anus isn't all that thick and with all that movement sperm can easily get to the vag.
IUD, implant or injection are better methods, as you can't forget them (well it'd be longer than a day). Some pills can be missed for a day and it's perfectly fine but relying on this isn't wise.
Morning After Pill / Plan B is not 100% and falls rapidly in success the longer its left before being taken.

Two methods are always better than one. ANd a barrier method like condoms or femidoms are more likely to protect you from STIs.

[chronomic]

im pretty sure you cant get pregnant from bj's. but if so thats just trucknutz.

[.Nihilist.]

never heard of anyone getting pregnant from blow jobs

[vixsummer]

Just throwing this out there, I didn't read through this whole thing: something like 93% of national funding for American sex ed programs is for abstinence-only programs. They're not even allowed to MENTION condoms, the pill or any other type of birth control. I think that is a much bigger issue than the 7% of everyone else not paying attention to some statistics. Abstinence is the only 100% effective way to not get pregnant, however, it can't be the main focus, since sex ed is supposed to be educating you ABOUT sex, not telling you not to have it and moving on.

Also - not to be obnoxious, I'm not getting into this back-and-forth, I just wanted to point this out - xvszero, you make good points, and normally I do agree with 'time leads to experience'. Except in this case - you were in high school 10 years ago - things have changed. I'm essentially raising an 11 year old and a 14 year old, and they're more savvy than you'd think.

Knowledge is power, and being informed is safer than being ignorant - bottom line.

[chronomic]

i was savvy as fuck when i was 11. crushing pussy like whoa.