DDT 3/24/08 Should the 5 foul rule be thrown out

[nateisawesome]

Today on Mike & Mike they discussed the possibility of throwing out the 5 foul limit. After the 5th foul on a player the opposing team gets two free throws and the ball back.

This was in response to Roy Hibbert playing a total of only 16 minutes yesterday.

So good idea or bad idea?

[gonz]

I hate to say it, but I like Dicky V's suggestion. He says let the players play on after 5-6 fouls, just with the coach's discretion, because every foul they commit after that the opposing team gets two free throws and the ball.

[FondestMemory]

no. it's fine how it is.

it's not the rule's fault hibbard couldn't stay out of foul trouble.

the only thing i would change is technical fouls counting as a personal. that's bullshit.

[preppyak]

Getting the ball back...I dunno about that...as a coach I'd probably rather my guy foul out really. What it would do at the end of games would mean that only certain people could foul, otherwise the other team would shoot 2 and get the ball back. That's a major shift in the way the game is played...good luck getting that passed.

What the 5 foul rule does is force you to play good defense or get into trouble...since Hibbert clearly didn't and got into foul trouble, it hurts your team and you sit on the bench. Its JT3's decision to play him 16 minutes...not the refs or the NCAA's...Beasley plays with 2 fouls all the time...he played 30 minutes in the USC game despite his fouls.

I think changing that rule would hurt the game...because you eliminate the need to play great defense and not get into foul trouble.

Edit: And now that I know it was a Dicky V suggestion...I can completely dismiss it...the last thing the ACC (read Duke and UNC) needs is an advantage if their best players get into trouble.

Changing the foul rule shifts the game away from dribble-drive...because there is no point in getting fouled if you aren't hurting the other team beyond 2 FT shots. You're going to end up with a lot of teams adopting the pull up jumper, and the game will get very boring...because why risk getting blocked when drawing the 3rd foul on a Hibbert or Oden doesn't matter.

It also takes away a mid-major advantage, where they can put everyone they have into getting the other teams best players into foul trouble.

[preppyak]

the only thing i would change is technical fouls counting as a personal. that's bullshit.
Yeah...I agree there. That rule and the 10-second clock resetting on a time-out are the two rules that need to change...other than that, college b-ball has it down pretty solid...especially since they changed the kick rule.

Though...I was thinking, because I know they do this in lacrosse. When your coach gets a foul whistled on him (or the bench), one of your captains has to serve it. So, if the NCAA really wants to force bench decorum, you have to designate one of your starters as a captain, and if the coach/bench gets a technical, it counts as a foul on that player.

Does Jay Wright snap on the refs with 3 minutes to go if Scottie Reynolds is his captain and he has 4 fouls? Does the Stanford coach draw two technical fouls if they both count against Brook Lopez?

[LeftWideOpen]

no, the 5 foul rule is perfect. I wish the NBA would go down to 5, too. It rewards teams who play with discipline and have coaches who can manage foul trouble effectively.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

georgetown played better when hibbert wasn't playing, so i don't really understand why they would use hibbert in yesterdays game as an example.

a better example would have been m bease against kansas

[Broken Parachute]

It's fine how it is.

Tech fouls shouldn't be personal either.

[williek311]

no, the 5 foul rule is perfect. I wish the NBA would go down to 5, too. It rewards teams who play with discipline and have coaches who can manage foul trouble effectively.
6 fouls for the NBA is perfect.

You play a total of 48 mins in the NBA - 1 foul per 8 mins
You play a total of 40 mins in the NCAA - 1 foul per 8 mins

[Drew Beringer]

5 is perfect. Hibbert sucks.

[kshtoinks12]

5 is perfect. Hibbert sucked.

fixed

[xbrokendownx]

hibbert is the most overrated player in recent memory

[Drew Beringer]

No, Hibbert sucks, there is no fixing needed. He is slow, he doesn't run the court well, he doesn't shoot free throws well, and he fouls a ton. He'll be eaten alive in the pros.

[Broken Parachute]

Hibbert is the slowest moving object on the planet.

[xbrokendownx]

no that would be bengie molina

[nateisawesome]

Hibbert and Georgetown are both overrated

And as for the rule I like it the way it is. 5 fouls forces you to play defense

[Chris M.]

I think the rule is fine the way it is.

[preppyak]

I'm just amazed that people would want to see more fouls called...especially when Mike and Mike and Vitale are the same people that complained about the Duke-FSU game two years ago when there were 41 fouls called in that game. You want the refs OUT of the game, not forcing them even more into the spotlight...which that rule would do.

So stupid

[SgtSmegma]

I hate to say it, but I like Dicky V's suggestion. He says let the players play on after 5-6 fouls, just with the coach's discretion, because every foul they commit after that the opposing team gets two free throws and the ball.

That's fucking retarded. That seems so arbitrary. It's been the way it is now for many years, and it has always worked. I am open to change, but that is a poor alternative. Its unfortunate that referee discretion can alter a game, but referees are objective. If Roy Hibbert wants to stay in the game, he should foul less.

[bigmike]

hibbert is the most overrated player in recent memory
You mean since Aaron Gray?

[bigmike]

I would like to see them add the half moon arc under the hoop in college ball. Also, the 5 foul thing isn't the problem, I personally think college officials are just plain brutal. Honestly, are there more then 2-3 charges in a game anymore? I think half the blocks that get called are charges.

[soundofthebrown]

The rule is fine how it is. Keep it at 5.

[Killadelphia]

keep it at 5.

[Scott Weber]

it's fine as is.

[AshesAshes]

Yea leave it at 5

[preppyak]

I would like to see them add the half moon arc under the hoop in college ball. Also, the 5 foul thing isn't the problem, I personally think college officials are just plain brutal. Honestly, are there more then 2-3 charges in a game anymore? I think half the blocks that get called are charges.
The problem with the more than 5 foul would be that it would take that point...that true defense is not rewarded in college b-ball anymore...and heighten it to absurd levels. I would gladly foul Shaq (or Joey Dorsey), make him miss 2 shots, and then hope my d was better the second time around to deny them getting 2 points. Its literally rewarding bad defensive teams...and since you don't shoot for an offensive foul...people would drive like a charge doesn't mean anything, because literally, with those rules, it wouldn't...but if you draw a block for someone's 6th foul...its like hitting the jackpot

The half moon arc is a necessity too...you cannot charge someone who is not capable of blocking the shot without going through the net.
You mean since Aaron Gray?
hahaha...actually Hibbert is far more over-rated, because at least Gray hustled. Gray is over-rated like Hansborough is over-rated...they are great college players who make meager contributions in the NBA...their energy and desire mattered in college where their talent hurts them in the NBA.

Hibbert isn't even genuinely a great college player...he's not even top 3 in his conference right now (I'd take Harangody, Padgett, and Thabeet over him).