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march 20, nine years ago.
gloriousmuse
04/19/08, 10:15 PM
April 20
9 years already? wow. I clearly remember this. Even though it didn't happen anywhere near me and i personally didn't know anyone involved, i was really affected by it. I spent a lot of time buying magazines, newspapers and watching the news coverage of the story. It was so shocking, and really freaked me out.
April 20
sorry.
i did put it up on the right day at least.
Kassie09
04/19/08, 10:25 PM
Wow, it doesn't seem like that long ago. I clearly remember sitting and watching this on the news.
GoWaitInTheCar
04/19/08, 10:26 PM
The victims of this are more at peace about this then we are. It was a terrible event that will be remembered among our generation for years to come.
ThisIsSuchAPity
04/20/08, 12:52 PM
Call me heartless, call me what you will, but I don't get why everyone is all up in arms over 13 kids dying in a school shooting when there's violence that is infinitely more severe than this happening all around the world.
It's in the past. Move on already. It's not like this really matters in the grand scheme of things.
Smash Adams
04/20/08, 12:54 PM
Call me heartless, call me what you will, but I don't get why everyone is all up in arms over 13 kids dying in a school shooting when there's violence that is infinitely more severe than this happening all around the world.
It's in the past. Move on already. It's not like this really matters in the grand scheme of things.
School is deemed as a safe place unlike Iraq or a deli in Compton
Chris Fallon
04/20/08, 01:49 PM
It matters because of where and how it happened. You don't expect a tragedy like that to happen in a suburban town much like the ones I've lived in throughout my life.
googirl8907
04/20/08, 01:53 PM
Wow I can't believe it's been 9 years. I remember watching this on the news.
i think looking at the mental state of the shooters and being aware of how easy it would be for something like this to happen in such safe environments will keep tradgedies such as this always releveant in some way.
violence close to home is also important to keep in touch with.
White Noise
04/20/08, 02:35 PM
I was in third grade when this happened.
scmaley
04/20/08, 03:23 PM
I was in elementary school. Fifth grade. I don't remember much except that someone who was trying to be a "copy cat" spray painted some threats on the high school's outside walls. The high school was directly beside my elementary school and I can remember riding by on the bus and seeing people bleaching out the paint.
Villanova1L
04/20/08, 06:03 PM
I was 12. Remember it really well though. Sadly I've gotten cynical and now it doesn't even seem that shocking to me.
I'm shocked that someone said a deli in Compton shouldn't be a safe place and compared it to Iraq, that's scary.
Broken Parachute
04/20/08, 06:08 PM
Call me heartless, call me what you will, but I don't get why everyone is all up in arms over 13 kids dying in a school shooting when there's violence that is infinitely more severe than this happening all around the world.
It's in the past. Move on already. It's not like this really matters in the grand scheme of things.You were a baby when it happened so I doubt you'd even understand the significance of it. I was only 9 so it's not like I was a lot older, but I remember how scary it was. School is supposed to be a safe place, that's why it's so shocking. If you need to ask that question seriously, you are an idiot.
lovely864md
04/20/08, 06:16 PM
I was 7. I honestly have no memory of this.
For the last two years though an organization based on Rachel Scott (the first one killed) has come to our schools to give assemblies. Last year's was crazy intense because we had lost two kids in the past year.
thesafeword
04/20/08, 06:19 PM
I just remember thinking how stupid those two kids looked in their trenchcoats and stuff when I saw them on the news. I was 7, I think, so I just shrugged it off and went back to Legos or Backyard Baseball or something. I was too young to know what was going on.
i really got more info years after from Bowling For Columbine.
Yes. And?
04/20/08, 07:29 PM
Sad.
This day has forever damaged a much better holiday
pesh1011
04/20/08, 07:44 PM
Sad. But it's also sad that the media blamed it on Marilyn Manson.
PadraicPrincess
04/20/08, 07:49 PM
I hate that I have no recollection of this. I was eight years old, I wish that I had paid more attention to it. This is very, very sad, they were so young.
Smash Adams
04/20/08, 08:02 PM
Sad. But it's also sad that the media blamed it on Marilyn Manson.
it's a lot easier than blaming themselves
I hate that I have no recollection of this. I was eight years old, I wish that I had paid more attention to it. This is very, very sad, they were so young.
There is no way that at 8 you would have been able to conceptualize what was happening anyway
MrHandy
04/20/08, 08:08 PM
This day has forever damaged a much better holiday
You wouldn't happen to be talking about marijuana day, would you?
You wouldn't happen to be talking about marijuana day, would you?
What!? I would never smoke pot. Never.
Pass the joint
MrHandy
04/20/08, 08:13 PM
What!? I would never smoke pot. Never.
Pass the joint
lol
Villanova1L
04/20/08, 09:15 PM
What!? I would never smoke pot. Never.
Pass the joint
Not a lot to do in Kentucky?
AsItFallsApart
04/20/08, 09:23 PM
yup, i remember exactly where i was when i heard about it. jeesh the years rolled by pretty fast
andrew4045
04/20/08, 09:27 PM
yikes. it is too bad we have a lot of things like this to remember... april 16th was the one year of virginia tech
Not a lot to do in Kentucky?
Geez, look at my location. You think I'm serious about where I live at all?
xvszero
04/20/08, 09:55 PM
Call me heartless, call me what you will, but I don't get why everyone is all up in arms over 13 kids dying in a school shooting when there's violence that is infinitely more severe than this happening all around the world.
It's in the past. Move on already. It's not like this really matters in the grand scheme of things.
If it were only just 13. Before Columbine this was unheard of in the US. After Columbine it has happened at least 5 or so times that I can recall, probably more I'm forgetting. It's not so much just the single event (though that was pretty terrible) but the fact that it was the start of a shift in our culture.
And the whole blah blah blah worse things happen elsewhere thing isn't a real argument. By that logic we would have to go out and find the absolute worst thing that ever happened in mankind (probably in the Dark Ages or before) and then since nothing is that bad, we shouldn't ever worry about anything else? But things closer to home will affect people more. Some guy blew his head off with a shotgun in the parking lot at the end of my block in my nice suburban town, his suicide definitely affected me more than some guy in India cutting his throat. And I'm sure if your neighbor blew his head off it would affect you more as well.
momentsrewound
04/20/08, 10:02 PM
The college i go to did a play called columbinus (obviously about columbine), i ended up playing the role of Dylan Klebold. I was very young when Columbine happened so this gave me a real insight on what did happen. I had to do a lot of research..needless to say it was really emotional. Mostly everyone who saw our the play was either in either in tears in the end or speechless. In fact someone who knew one of the victims was there one night. He came up to us at the end and was bawling and just explained how he knew John Tomlin. It was a really emotional experience and it made me open my eyes to the shit going on in the world.
R.I.P Columbine students
chronomic
04/20/08, 10:05 PM
wow. i would really like to see how something like that would turn out.
momentsrewound
04/20/08, 10:50 PM
wow. i would really like to see how something like that would turn out.
If your talking about my post. It's a semi new play. Its really intense, The first act is just a non specific high school setting and all about how kids get bullied and how every group is affected. Then the second act is all re-enactments of real documents from Dylan and Eric. All the tapes they made, all the notes they wrote, counseling sessions, and it ended in the library scene starting with the exact 911 call that was made. Sometimes it was too much for the cast. Needless to say it was really hard for all of us.
P.S I love your avatar
PadraicPrincess
04/21/08, 12:19 PM
it's a lot easier than blaming themselves
There is no way that at 8 you would have been able to conceptualize what was happening anyway
At eight? I think I would have been able to understand the main concepts...
Call me heartless, call me what you will, but I don't get why everyone is all up in arms over 13 kids dying in a school shooting when there's violence that is infinitely more severe than this happening all around the world.
It's in the past. Move on already. It's not like this really matters in the grand scheme of things.
if your age is correct then you were five when this happened. you've got nothing to say about this. you have no idea what this did to the country, show some respect. maybe you should read more about things you don't know anything about before running off at the spout. essentially use your brain and stop being a shit.
if your age is correct then you were five when this happened. you've got nothing to say about this. you have no idea what this did to the country, show some respect. maybe you should read more about things you don't know anything about before running off at the spout. essentially use your brain and stop being a shit.
Fuck off. Many of the people that died probably deserved it. That isn't even a difficult judgement to make.
lovely864md
04/21/08, 02:27 PM
Fuck off. Many of the people that died probably deserved it. That isn't even a difficult judgement to make.
I hope you are joking.
I hope you are joking.
The point essentially is that if they didn't want to die, they shouldn't have been bullying people to the extent they did. I'm just sick of all this "oh, the victims!" bullshit. Many of them were just as guilty as the people that killed them. With that said, no, not all of the victims were really justifiable in this sense.
I have entirely different feelings about virginia tech.
ThisIsSuchAPity
04/21/08, 02:42 PM
The point essentially is that if they didn't want to die, they shouldn't have been bullying people to the extent they did. I'm just sick of all this "oh, the victims!" bullshit. Many of them were just as guilty as the people that killed them. With that said, no, not all of the victims were really justifiable in this sense.
I have entirely different feelings about virginia tech.
So bullying makes someone deserve to get shot? It's not their fault some assholes took it too far and started shooting up a school.
So bullying makes someone deserve to get shot? It's not their fault some assholes took it too far and started shooting up a school.
Who is the asshole in this story? I really don't think its the two guys that snapped.
Basically, in every situation like this there are two fucking sides. People do not just go crazy and start shooting up a school for no reason. Maybe they have a genetic predisposition to it, maybe they have serious mental illnesses that were different from this. However, there is always a cause for it. I honestly don't think these two (I don't even remember their names) would have done this without extreme provocation. Placing all of the blame on them is just being willfully ignorant. All of the blame shouldn't be on the ones they killed either, but we just blame the two killers because it is easier to fathom. Two people just went insane and shot up a school. That is the story we've been told, the easy one. The real story is far more complex, and thanks to its complexity we ignore it.
lovely864md
04/21/08, 03:02 PM
The point essentially is that if they didn't want to die, they shouldn't have been bullying people to the extent they did. I'm just sick of all this "oh, the victims!" bullshit. Many of them were just as guilty as the people that killed them. With that said, no, not all of the victims were really justifiable in this sense.
I have entirely different feelings about virginia tech.
A lot of the kids that died were just random kids who happened to be there. Most of them were not even involved with the shooters. Not to mention their original plan to set off bombs in the cafeteria, which would have killed hundreds of people who had never wronged them. They (those killed) were just kids.
dustyfloors
04/21/08, 03:03 PM
Who is the asshole in this story? I really don't think its the two guys that snapped.
Basically, in every situation like this there are two fucking sides. People do not just go crazy and start shooting up a school for no reason. Maybe they have a genetic predisposition to it, maybe they have serious mental illnesses that were different from this. However, there is always a cause for it. I honestly don't think these two (I don't even remember their names) would have done this without extreme provocation. Placing all of the blame on them is just being willfully ignorant. All of the blame shouldn't be on the ones they killed either, but we just blame the two killers because it is easier to fathom. Two people just went insane and shot up a school. That is the story we've been told, the easy one. The real story is far more complex, and thanks to its complexity we ignore it.
Dude, I was 15 when this happened.
A LOT of people went back on forth on sides about this... There was a lot of news reports looking into who's at fault and why this happened.
To say that the bullies deserved to die is hypocritical when you mention that along side the "it's ignorant to blame the shooters" argument.
Because you are being pretty ignorant in your assumption that there was "extreme provocation."
I'm not trying to start shit, but maybe you're going to want to use a different word than ignorant. Unless you were there when these dudes were getting bullied.
I'd say about 99% of people who discuss this, including me, you, the media, are ignorant to ALL of the facts.
ThisIsSuchAPity
04/21/08, 03:06 PM
You were a baby when it happened so I doubt you'd even understand the significance of it. I was only 9 so it's not like I was a lot older, but I remember how scary it was. School is supposed to be a safe place, that's why it's so shocking. If you need to ask that question seriously, you are an idiot.
Well sorry I didn't take that into consideration.
Dude, I was 15 when this happened.
A LOT of people went back on forth on sides about this... There was a lot of news reports looking into who's at fault and why this happened.
To say that the bullies deserved to die is hypocritical when you mention that along side the "it's ignorant to blame the shooters" argument.
Because you are being pretty ignorant in your assumption that there was "extreme provocation."
I'm not trying to start shit, but maybe you're going to want to use a different word than ignorant. Unless you were there when these dudes were getting bullied.
I'd say about 99% of people who discuss this, including me, you, the media, are ignorant to ALL of the facts.
I'm not claiming I'm not ignorant. I definitely am. But it really just strikes me as idiotic and the easy way out to just assume that one group has the blame here. Does that work out better for you?
(I do remember watching the news reports on it. The media bounced around from gun control to marilyn manson to doom to parents to society. It's ignorant to think there is a singular answer to why, essentially)
ThisIsSuchAPity
04/21/08, 03:15 PM
Who is the asshole in this story? I really don't think its the two guys that snapped.
Basically, in every situation like this there are two fucking sides. People do not just go crazy and start shooting up a school for no reason. Maybe they have a genetic predisposition to it, maybe they have serious mental illnesses that were different from this. However, there is always a cause for it. I honestly don't think these two (I don't even remember their names) would have done this without extreme provocation. Placing all of the blame on them is just being willfully ignorant. All of the blame shouldn't be on the ones they killed either, but we just blame the two killers because it is easier to fathom. Two people just went insane and shot up a school. That is the story we've been told, the easy one. The real story is far more complex, and thanks to its complexity we ignore it.
Even if they did have mental illnesses or it was something related to genetics, you still cannot blame the kids they shot. No amount of bullying makes you deserve to die in a manner they did.
dustyfloors
04/21/08, 03:17 PM
Does that work out better for you?
No, I agree with you to an extent.
But long story short those two kids pulled the triggers and this shit was pre-meditated.
To say that the bullies deserved to die, I feel, is a stretch.
ThisIsSuchAPity
04/21/08, 03:20 PM
Well one group is at blame here. The shooters overreacted. It's not gun control, it's not Marilyn Manson, and it's not the victims.
And cue everyone telling the story about where they were when it happened, what they were doing, and how it affected them.
ThisIsSuchAPity
04/21/08, 03:22 PM
No, I agree with you to an extent.
But long story short those two kids pulled the triggers and this shit was pre-meditated.
To say that the bullies deserved to die, I feel, is a stretch.
A stretch? That's an understatement.
I've been bullied alot, yet you don't see me walking into my school and pulling out firearms. Sure, the people who did bully me made middle school pretty bad for me, but I have the rest of my life ahead of me, and they have theirs.
ThisIsSuchAPity
04/21/08, 03:25 PM
And cue everyone telling the story about where they were when it happened, what they were doing, and how it affected them.
Everyone says that shit about 9/11. I don't wanna fucking hear what someone was doing when their friend called and told them that some buildings fell.
Fuck off. Many of the people that died probably deserved it. That isn't even a difficult judgement to make.
What a joke. First off, you contradicted yourself. Probably deserved to die, yet you say it isn't a difficult decision to make. You obviously need to read more than that kid I was talking to in the first place. Once again a classic case of people running their mouth without knowing anything. Your opinions of VT are obviously different seeing as you were much older when that took place. It looks like I should've said my original statement to you instead of a 14 year old. At least he's too young to know what he actually said, you on the other hand, are quite clearly ignorant.
Villanova1L
04/21/08, 04:22 PM
I'm not claiming I'm not ignorant. I definitely am. But it really just strikes me as idiotic and the easy way out to just assume that one group has the blame here. Does that work out better for you?
(I do remember watching the news reports on it. The media bounced around from gun control to marilyn manson to doom to parents to society. It's ignorant to think there is a singular answer to why, essentially)
So being picked on warrants the killing of people?
Also, I assumed in regards to your name if you were going to make something up it'd be clever.
What a joke. First off, you contradicted yourself. Probably deserved to die, yet you say it isn't a difficult decision to make. You obviously need to read more than that kid I was talking to in the first place. Once again a classic case of people running their mouth without knowing anything. Your opinions of VT are obviously different seeing as you were much older when that took place. It looks like I should've said my original statement to you instead of a 14 year old. At least he's too young to know what he actually said, you on the other hand, are quite clearly ignorant.
What do you want me to read more of? Propaganda?
Also, I assumed in regards to your name if you were going to make something up it'd be clever.
Damn. You caught me, yeah, it's a real place that has a college. The name is just too ridiculous not to make jokes like that.
Well right now, you should read something that will cheer you up seeing as you've obviously got some things going on with you. Saying people probably deserved to die is obviously an ignorant statement. You just don't care about what happened, which is fine, but just say you don't care. There's no point in telling me or anyone else on this site that people deserved to die. Most of us will easily disagree with you. I'm just curious as to your reasoning behind saying they deserved to die. If you're going to say something ridiculous like because they bullied the killers, save it. That's an absurd thing to say and you know that.
Villanova1L
04/21/08, 06:22 PM
Damn. You caught me, yeah, it's a real place that has a college. The name is just too ridiculous not to make jokes like that.
So, you're going to ignore my question about killing being an ok answer to bullying?
notoaststereo
04/21/08, 06:23 PM
wow, i didnt realize it was that long ago.
So, you're going to ignore my question about killing being an ok answer to bullying?
Someone tortures you, would you kill him? If bullying is taken to extremes, it can certainly fit the definition of torture, especially psychological. Murder isn't necessarily justified, but there is a point where repurcussions will happen regardless.
Villanova1L
04/21/08, 08:17 PM
Someone tortures you, would you kill him? If bullying is taken to extremes, it can certainly fit the definition of torture, especially psychological. Murder isn't necessarily justified, but there is a point where repurcussions will happen regardless.
No I wouldn't. There is no reason to kill someone else other than physical violence against you or if they kill someone you know or love and even then its questionable.
Murder as a "repurcussion" is absolutely ridiculous. How about report it to a person at the school? Or confront the person instead of shooting innocent people?
chrisstahl
04/22/08, 09:19 PM
i still have a theory that eric killed dylan in the library at the end when dylan thought he would get famous for it, and eric was the psychopath behind the whole event.
xvszero
04/22/08, 11:26 PM
Who is the asshole in this story? I really don't think its the two guys that snapped.
Basically, in every situation like this there are two fucking sides. People do not just go crazy and start shooting up a school for no reason. Maybe they have a genetic predisposition to it, maybe they have serious mental illnesses that were different from this. However, there is always a cause for it. I honestly don't think these two (I don't even remember their names) would have done this without extreme provocation. Placing all of the blame on them is just being willfully ignorant. All of the blame shouldn't be on the ones they killed either, but we just blame the two killers because it is easier to fathom. Two people just went insane and shot up a school. That is the story we've been told, the easy one. The real story is far more complex, and thanks to its complexity we ignore it.
The real story is always a bit more complex. Hitler wasn't a psycho killer, he was an intelligent man with a plan to rebuild a broken Germany. Abortion clinic bombers aren't psycho killers, they are people who truly believe that a few guilty lives taken will save hundreds and thousands of innocent life. Suicide bombers aren't psycho killers, they simply believe that their god wants them to kill and that they will be rewarded for it in the afterlife. Gangbangers aren't psycho killers, they are just trying to fit in in a crazy world. Manson wasn't a psycho kille... oh wait, yeah he was.
But if you don't draw a line somewhere, you fall into a bunch of relativist nonsense where everything can be justified. "Genetic predisposition" meh... you can say that about anyone and any action, all those meathead jocks ripping on them and all those mindless cheerleader bitches that made them hate life might just be overloaded with excess testosterone and estrogen, who knows. Mental illness? Perhaps, but what a strange coincidence then that two best friends end up with the very same mental illness that leads them to the very same conclusion.
Simply put, they had no justification whatsoever. If you look into their writings and such they REVELED in this. They could have made the choice to deal with it in another way (you know, like the way the hundreds of thousands of kids who are bullied deal with it day to day,) but they didn't want to, they wanted to take some people down and cause the world some pain. And yes, I would call them assholes if I call anyone assholes. I'd much rather put up with some meathead jock who might give me a wedgie or two because he doesn't know how to deal with his own problems but knows where to draw a line than someone coming and putting a bullet in my head because they don't know how to deal with their own problems and don't know where to draw the line whatsoever.
I used to get the shit beat out of me almost every day by my very own brother. These guys had to deal with some high school teasing for a few years, I had to deal with beatings for most of my childhood. I could have went on a killing spree then blamed my parents for not doing more, or my brother for being a violent ass, or "society" for creating people like my parents and my brother... or the neighborhood for not recognizing something was wrong, or the police or the city or the DCFS... but nah, even at that young of an age I knew my life was my life and only I could make my own choices.
Yes we can and should look at all the circumstances that lead to these kind of actions, but the truth is they are all too common and too vague to really be able to do much about them. In the end we need teenagers to realize shooting up schools is NEVER an option. And if they can't, I definitely hold them fully responsible for their murders, and I'm not going to start blaming jocks because they make high school difficult. Being a punk rock forum I'm sure many of us went through the same thing (I wasn't very popular that is for certain... and believe me, punk in general was not very popular when I was growing up until Green Day hit) but I'm sure we also all knew what was and wasn't a good way to deal with it.
Unless was have some closet murderers hanging out here.
xvszero
04/22/08, 11:33 PM
Someone tortures you, would you kill him? If bullying is taken to extremes, it can certainly fit the definition of torture, especially psychological. Murder isn't necessarily justified, but there is a point where repurcussions will happen regardless.
See, this is the kind of goofy relativism I can't stand. Do you know what TORTURE is? Ask someone like my cousin's dad's friend who was captured in Vietnam and was tortured for years before he was sent home and now he can't even be around more than a small handful of people before freaking out if it is the same as bullying taken "to the extreme."
Hell no it isn't.
Again, I got beat on almost every day. I wouldn't even think of calling it torture. Probably because I've read up on a lot of wars and know of some seriously insane shit that has gone down.
Chris Fallon
04/23/08, 01:45 AM
Jesus, some of you disgusting. To make light of any person's untimely and tragic death is sickening. Who cares exactly what the motivation and cause was - it's the effect that ultimately matters, and the fact that nine years later, you feel the need to tell people to "move on" is demoralizing and frankly, immature. It's easy for any one of us who hasn't been immediately affected by such an event to dismiss it because we hear about it "too much," but if it were your friends, family or hell, even you, wouldn't you want to continue to be remembered in order to help prevent such a tragedy?
Some of you desperately need to reconsider your moral value and be sensitive to others' lives. Self-centered pricks.
hardheadhayley
05/05/08, 04:18 PM
i actually made a video about this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cVoTkUJDN8
Fuck off. Many of the people that died probably deserved it. That isn't even a difficult judgement to make.Do you really believe this? Good lord. That is one of the more fucked up things I've read on this site. Unless you want to request the info directly from the littleton police department, this is probably the best resource on the internet, if you want to get your head out of your ass: http://acolumbinesite.com/
joeyjoey
05/06/08, 09:53 AM
The point essentially is that if they didn't want to die, they shouldn't have been bullying people to the extent they did. I'm just sick of all this "oh, the victims!" bullshit. Many of them were just as guilty as the people that killed them. With that said, no, not all of the victims were really justifiable in this sense.
I have entirely different feelings about virginia tech.
Shout out to all the bullies, expect Nevuk to shoot you.
Basically what your saying is that if your a bully, and your going to bully someone (which isn't, imo, abnormal), you better think about it twice because you never know when some 2 random angst-filled kids are gonna SHOOT YOUR FACE OFF.
Dude your an idiot, those 2 kids couldn't deal with shit like the normal kids, so they shot people. Bottomline, the shooters are dumb and guilty of a crime, the bullies are just dumb.
The kid who was behind the Virginia Tech Massacre was actually diagnosed with selective mutism and would usally be teased for his shyness.
After Coumbine he would write of wanting to repeat the incident.
He was also mentally ill and court ordered to get psychiatric help.
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