View Full Version : Mexican Air Force UFO - France, UK, Mexico losing patience with US on "Disclosure"
Pathfinder
04/25/08, 07:47 AM
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aminorthreat55
04/25/08, 08:15 AM
People need to understand that a UFO is not a synonym for an alien spaceship. The vast majority of UFOs over the last few decades are almost certainly covert military aircraft and spacecraft. It's not a coincidence that Area 51 was next to the CIA's AFB.
Pathfinder
04/25/08, 08:30 AM
People need to understand that a UFO is not a synonym for an alien spaceship. The vast majority of UFOs over the last few decades are almost certainly covert military aircraft and spacecraft. It's not a coincidence that Area 51 was next to the CIA's AFB.
I would agree with most of that, but in the video below, there is testimony that this technology has come about from back-engineering from crashed/retrieved "spacecrafts"..
They say that Lockheed and others have studied these vehicles and developed anti-gravity devices and propulsion systems that access the zero-point energy field.
Pathfinder
04/25/08, 08:32 AM
This is lenghty, but it is testimony from ex-military/intelligence/astronauts/ NASA scientists to the National Press Club in 2001. At 36 mins, an ex CIA contractor/Lockheed Skunk Works employee talks about those covert military aircraft, and some of their missions.
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At 59/60 mins, on of them mentions structures/buildings found on the moon.
Pathfinder
04/25/08, 09:41 AM
Another interesting point is that Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter (who claims to have seen a "UFO" and said he would disclose the UFO files on becoming President) were the only two Presidents refused access to any of this stuff during their presidencies.
asmolitor
04/25/08, 01:55 PM
timberwolf?
wesgemm08
04/25/08, 05:00 PM
the loch ness monster is real.. Our government really needs to stop hiding the fact that nessie is out there
shit stroll
04/26/08, 04:15 PM
Another interesting point is that Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter (who claims to have seen a "UFO" and said he would disclose the UFO files on becoming President) were the only two Presidents refused access to any of this stuff during their presidencies.
did bill richardson reopen the roswell case? i know he had talked about doing so, but i seriously doubt a governor would have that kind of power.
0starter0
04/26/08, 08:40 PM
But my Bible tells me not so!
That and rational thought.
I HATE how the average american won't believe in global warming which is backed by the scientific community, but it'll hop on the bandwagon of aliens.
ActionActionFan
04/26/08, 08:46 PM
But my Bible tells me not so!
That and rational thought.
I HATE how the average american won't believe in global warming which is backed by the scientific community, but it'll hop on the bandwagon of aliens.
That's because global warming isn't actually happening.
0starter0
04/26/08, 08:53 PM
That's because global warming isn't actually happening.
An increasing body of observations gives a collective picture of a warming world and other changes in the climate system... There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities."
I rather go with scientists than the average american. Especially when 82% of Americans are Christians and nearly half reject evolution.
ActionActionFan
04/26/08, 09:05 PM
An increasing body of observations gives a collective picture of a warming world and other changes in the climate system... There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities."
I rather go with scientists than the average american. Especially when 82% of Americans are Christians and nearly half reject evolution.
I posted this in another thread but whatever.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88520025
"There has been a very slight cooling, but not anything really significant," Willis says
Pathfinder
04/27/08, 07:06 AM
An increasing body of observations gives a collective picture of a warming world and other changes in the climate system... There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities."
I rather go with scientists than the average american. Especially when 82% of Americans are Christians and nearly half reject evolution.
The IPCC is a self-choosing body of scientists. There is just as much scientists out there who say the the CO2 link is bullshit.
You are a fucking moron.
SpectacularView
04/29/08, 09:21 AM
The IPCC is a self-choosing body of scientists. There is just as much scientists out there who say the the CO2 link is bullshit.
You are a fucking moron.
There is a definitive link between more CO2 and higher temperatures, however correlation does not amount to causation.
p.s. you need to stop making so many frickin nicknames plz
Wow, all this work over nothing. There is no such thing as 'alien aircrafts' there have been unidentifiable flying objects though because the government refuses to identify them. The Roswell/ Area 51 thing was just that. The gov. was working with ex-Nazi scientists on aircrafts and when one crashed, they covered it up. This is how the whole alien aircraft fallacy came into play. The aircraft that crashed was probably a predecessor to the Stealth aircrafts we have now.
And Mexican Airforce? Wow, enough said there. Let's drop it.
Pathfinder
05/01/08, 11:59 AM
And Mexican Airforce? Wow, enough said there. Let's drop it.
You are an idiot, no offence.
No OFFENSE is taken. Most out-of-touch conspiracy theorists have the same reaction as you when they hear actual logic. They just resort to name calling and have no evidence to back themselves up.
The Mexican Air Force has 11,770 men, 107 combat aircraft and 71 armed helicopters,
The Unites States Air Force has 328,808 personnel on active duty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_duty), 70,303 in the Selected and Individual Ready Reserves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Reserve_Command), and 106,254 in the Air National Guard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_National_Guard). In addition, the Air Force employs 141,573 civilian personnel. The USAF basically has more people cleaning toilets than the Mexican Air Force has in total.
Pathfinder
05/01/08, 04:31 PM
No OFFENSE is taken. Most out-of-touch conspiracy theorists have the same reaction as you when they hear actual logic. They just resort to name calling and have no evidence to back themselves up.
Okay then, so what do you say to the 400 people... ex-ARMY/CIA/NASA/NAVY/AIR-FORCE who have testified before the press club, some of which you can see in the video I posted.
These guys are mostly high-ranking and are willing to testify before congress.
How can you dismiss their claims, when they should be more informed than your good self.
Pathfinder
05/01/08, 04:36 PM
PS - What logic?
Japan, Russia, Germany and many other countries are asking the US to come forward now and join everyone in getting this out in the open.
According to the UN, 150 million people world-wide have claimed to have seen these "crafts", and there have been 20,000 documented landings.
That is not the US air-force or whatever you are claiming.
No OFFENSE is taken. Most out-of-touch conspiracy theorists have the same reaction as you when they hear actual logic. They just resort to name calling and have no evidence to back themselves up.
Offence is an accepted spelling.
I hate you so, so much. I don't think I've ever told a member here that. Well, besides Slade maybe.
shit stroll
05/01/08, 05:01 PM
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RememberFminus2
05/01/08, 05:06 PM
tom delonge
we need your guidance
PS - What logic?
Japan, Russia, Germany and many other countries are asking the US to come forward now and join everyone in getting this out in the open.
According to the UN, 150 million people world-wide have claimed to have seen these "crafts", and there have been 20,000 documented landings.
That is not the US air-force or whatever you are claiming.
Yet there is no proof... Why do you think that is? I'll give you a hint- it's not real! And as for 'higher-ups' testifying to confirm the existence of Extraterestrial Beings? If you were to believe something like that than you are already to far gone for reason anyway.
Oh and offence is an accepted spelling... for 2 year olds and illiterate people.
I hate you so, so much. I don't think I've ever told a member here that. Well, besides Slade maybe.
Umm... I'll take it as a compliment. Thanks man, but I'm married and if some dude started stalking me because he feels this strongly about me my wife might get upset. A lot of people do hate reason when it conflicts with their fairy tale beliefs. I was just like you a few years back. But just like you will have to one day, I grew up and stopped believing in conspiracies and the such. It's sad that you hate me so much because I was just starting to warm up to you.
Pathfinder
05/02/08, 05:08 AM
Yet there is no proof... Why do you think that is? I'll give you a hint- it's not real! And as for 'higher-ups' testifying to confirm the existence of Extraterestrial Beings?
They have mountains of proof, clearly evident in the videos, don't be so fucking lazy in your comebacks.
You are right though, I should take your word for it, especially over theirs. You can't beat a half-assed "hunch" like yours, with proof and testimony.
Offence is an accepted spelling.
I hate you so, so much. I don't think I've ever told a member here that. Well, besides Slade maybe.
I still think he might actually be Slade. If Slade suddenly developed an interest in politics?
Offence is a british version of offense. You know, color colour skeptic sceptic ? There are quite a few more.
xEBVDRUMSx
05/02/08, 09:34 AM
The second video in the first post is no longer available =/
Alex Djaferis
05/03/08, 01:36 PM
Yet there is no proof... Why do you think that is? I'll give you a hint- it's not real! And as for 'higher-ups' testifying to confirm the existence of Extraterestrial Beings? If you were to believe something like that than you are already to far gone for reason anyway.
Oh and offence is an accepted spelling... for 2 year olds and illiterate people.
There is so much evidence its almost ridiculous. How much have you actually researched into this?
Or did you just go into this argument with your couple minutes reading on the subject and influence from the media to suddenly think you are a master on the subject.
I can't believe that there are fully functioning people (that's just an assumption, mostly because you guys know how to work a computer) that are having this argument. What's next? Are we going to talk about how the government has been covering up evidence of ghosts? Are the hobbits really trying to save New Zealand from a large fireball eye? Are the mole people going to rise up and take over New York City? Let's just use the time machine that the government is trying to hide it's existence in order to go to the future and find out the truth? Those damn martians are probably trying to speak out to us that the moon landing isn't real. They want that large piece of cheese to themselves.
Pathfinder
05/04/08, 09:08 AM
I can't believe that there are fully functioning people (that's just an assumption, mostly because you guys know how to work a computer) that are having this argument. What's next? Are we going to talk about how the government has been covering up evidence of ghosts? Are the hobbits really trying to save New Zealand from a large fireball eye? Are the mole people going to rise up and take over New York City? Let's just use the time machine that the government is trying to hide it's existence in order to go to the future and find out the truth? Those damn martians are probably trying to speak out to us that the moon landing isn't real. They want that large piece of cheese to themselves.
You almost sound like you HOPE this stuff isn't true.
About the moon-landings, I thought they were faked, but after looking into it more, I am pretty sure they did go there... a lot.
Alex Djaferis
05/04/08, 11:12 AM
I can't believe that there are fully functioning people (that's just an assumption, mostly because you guys know how to work a computer) that are having this argument. What's next? Are we going to talk about how the government has been covering up evidence of ghosts? Are the hobbits really trying to save New Zealand from a large fireball eye? Are the mole people going to rise up and take over New York City? Let's just use the time machine that the government is trying to hide it's existence in order to go to the future and find out the truth? Those damn martians are probably trying to speak out to us that the moon landing isn't real. They want that large piece of cheese to themselves.
they do exist. i've had first hand experiences. call me delusional if you like. but i am as grounded as a person gets and i was the biggest skeptic in the world before i had the experiences. in fact i flat out regarded people who believed in them as ridiculously crazy.
i guess i am crazy too now? oh shit! pfff.
just because YOU have not seen something does not mean it cannot exist or happen.
they do exist. i've had first hand experiences. call me delusional if you like. but i am as grounded as a person gets and i was the biggest skeptic in the world before i had the experiences. in fact i flat out regarded people who believed in them as ridiculously crazy.
i guess i am crazy too now? oh shit! pfff.
just because YOU have not seen something does not mean it cannot exist or happen.
Please elaborate, I enjoy hearing these types of stories.
Alex Djaferis
05/04/08, 12:15 PM
Please elaborate, I enjoy hearing these types of stories.
Check back tomorrow. I'll write everything that I have seen/experienced. The girlfriend is coming over in a minute so no time now :-)
Check back tomorrow. I'll write everything that I have seen/experienced. The girlfriend is coming over in a minute so no time now :-)
That'd be cool, thanks.
they do exist. i've had first hand experiences. call me delusional if you like.
You're delusional. What were you on at the time?
Alex Djaferis
05/05/08, 08:20 AM
You're delusional. What were you on at the time?
acid, crack, heroin, you name it.
:freakout:
Alex Djaferis
05/05/08, 08:42 AM
That'd be cool, thanks.
Ok, I’ll try and list everything I have experienced.
I know that many people will read the next few paragraphs and will think I am insane…so I was a little wary of that at first…every time I see people post in threads about the paranormal I cringe at many peoples idiotic comments on how stupid people are for thinking these things exist…but I don’t know…then I thought who gives a shit, I don’t actually know any of you.
Before I tell you of my experiences you have to know that I was as a huge non-believer in the paranormal...that coupled with me being brought up a Christian and being hardcore about my religion until I was 17. That’s all somewhat changed now…Not only because of what happened since, but it definitely had a role to play.
When I was 18 I was to meet a girl that would end up being my girlfriend for the next three years. She was not ‘into’ the paranormal, but she explained to me that her family was kind of “in tune” (whatever that meant) with things of that nature…I shrugged it off as BS.
First experiences; She was home alone for a week, her family went to see their grandparents but she had to stay behind because of school. She called me in mid panic one afternoon: “can I come over…like now…and live with you guys until my family gets back????” she was scared. I could tell. I had no idea what was going on. Said, “sure”. She then told me “you know that massive sofa in our living room…the one that weighs a ton and needs three people to move it an inch?...well….its in a different room suddenly…”
(the sofa is huge…and I mean, yeah. I saw it in the other room…it was beyond strange, but I still ignored it)
Then as the months went on I would stay at her house a lot. They had a system that at night, NO ONE could walk downstairs without the alarm being turned on, unless you punch in the security code…we would CONSTANTLY hear footsteps…I even leaned over the banisters, no one there. Lights are off. No Alarm. Just the sounds of footsteps pacing around the downstairs of the house. It was so eerie.
Her and I moved in together in an apartment a year later and that’s when things really started happening and that’s where I had to question the world I lived in. It became a common occurrence (every couple of days/nights) that at night, I would hear the tap being turned, and the water would start running. The bathroom lights would be switched on and off (the switch was a string that you pull from the ceiling) all the time.
Once I was sitting down reading the newspaper and from the corner of my eye I could see my laptop modem literally hovering two inches from the ground and swaying. Every time I looked at it, it would drop to the ground. Repeat process several times before it stopped completely.
It was also not rare for both of us to be in bed, reading before sleeping when suddenly we’d see the curtains in front of us being lifted about 4 feet off the ground and then drop to the ground again… all windows shut, no doors open, no draft…
I started become a little interested here…so I started reading everything and anything I could find about the paranormal/energies/spirituality etc etc… and that helped me a lot to not freak out and almost be able to mediate situations where weird stuff was happening. It also helped me discover other things about myself that I deemed insane and impossible before all of this.
We then moved to another apartment where strangely enough, nothing happened.
After 7 months there we moved to Greece. And the same stuff would happened again…only this time I would be literally physically grabbed at times by “nothing”. Its happened at least three times to this day that I am walking and suddenly feel something grip my arm and yank me back just to see no one is there at all.
Since then its quietened down – I’ve not had anything intense happen anymore. On occasion I can “feel” presences around…and I know that sounds loose and unconvincing, but believe me I have some kind of a weird ability to feel energies and even see energy fields around people and objects – sometimes I can even catch glimpses of peoples auras.
I could carry on & on with things I have experienced (energy fields etc, if you want to know, pm me, im not going to post all that here) , but those are not directly linked with spirits/ghosts/whatever you feel like calling them. I just want people to at least ATTEMPT to search for what is beyond their immediate physical senses.
Ha, that is crazy. Thanks for posting it all.
Alex Djaferis
05/05/08, 08:52 AM
No worries.
I would flip out if anything of that sort happened to me.
The only thing like that has remotely freaked me out was a long time ago. I moved from my old room to my sister's room because she moved out for college. She tried to scare me beforehand, by saying that there is a ghost which haunts her room. She claimed it was a little girl who wore a white dress and that she often just stood in front of the closet staring (she also claimed that sometimes you can't see her but you'll know when she is there). Now, I knew my sister was lying, but something about her claim seemed more sincere than her usual jokes. Needless to say, while I knew she was lying I was still a little worried. Well, one night soon after moving in, the cat was sleeping on my bed. I remember waking up in the middle of the night (probably around 3 or 4), and seeing the cat literally jump up on all four, quickly turn her head towards my closet, and then in what seemed like slow motion JUMPED out of my bed and ran faster than I have ever seen her run out of my room.
That creeped me out for some reason, luckily I somehow fell right back to sleep. I know it was nothing, but still..
Schmidty Says
05/05/08, 09:23 AM
I've had a couple things happen to me...in a house just up the street from mine, my friend and I were in the attic, playing video games. He ran down to the first floor to grab something, and was gone for some time. All of a sudden, I started hearing footsteps coming up the stairs, so I got up to see if someone was coming up the steps. No one was there. I checked the windows to make sure there was no one outside working on the houses on either side to make sure that's not what I was hearing. Nothing. Just footsteps coming up the steps with no one there.
Also, at my aunts house once, I had to use the bathroom. I shut the door and started doing my business when out of the corner of my eye, I show a shadow run across the room. I was scared out of my mind. Needless to say, I don't use the bathroom at my aunts house anymore. My aunt does tell stories of seeing my great-grandmother sitting at the foot of the beds in the house, watching over whoever is sleeping. (My great-grandmother passed away when I was 16 I believe. My aunt started telling these stories about a year after she passes away)
Alex Djaferis
05/05/08, 09:29 AM
I've had a couple things happen to me...in a house just up the street from mine, my friend and I were in the attic, playing video games. He ran down to the first floor to grab something, and was gone for some time. All of a sudden, I started hearing footsteps coming up the stairs, so I got up to see if someone was coming up the steps. No one was there. I checked the windows to make sure there was no one outside working on the houses on either side to make sure that's not what I was hearing. Nothing. Just footsteps coming up the steps with no one there.
Also, at my aunts house once, I had to use the bathroom. I shut the door and started doing my business when out of the corner of my eye, I show a shadow run across the room. I was scared out of my mind. Needless to say, I don't use the bathroom at my aunts house anymore. My aunt does tell stories of seeing my great-grandmother sitting at the foot of the beds in the house, watching over whoever is sleeping. (My great-grandmother passed away when I was 16 I believe. My aunt started telling these stories about a year after she passes away)
yeah there is a lot of stuff about these guys.
hehe, yeah my girlfriend also had tons of stories about her grandmother.
when her grandmother died, all the clocks in their house stopped at the exact moment of her death.
and that night her mom woke up to see the grandmother standing infront of her bed, smiling.
and every couple of nights the girlfriends sister would wake up because she would feel someones hand calmly laying upon hers. and she 'knew' it was the grandmother because she could smell her.
ActionActionFan
05/05/08, 09:35 AM
Ok, I’ll try and list everything I have experienced.
I know that many people will read the next few paragraphs and will think I am insane…so I was a little wary of that at first…every time I see people post in threads about the paranormal I cringe at many peoples idiotic comments on how stupid people are for thinking these things exist…but I don’t know…then I thought who gives a shit, I don’t actually know any of you.
Before I tell you of my experiences you have to know that I was as a huge non-believer in the paranormal...that coupled with me being brought up a Christian and being hardcore about my religion until I was 17. That’s all somewhat changed now…Not only because of what happened since, but it definitely had a role to play.
When I was 18 I was to meet a girl that would end up being my girlfriend for the next three years. She was not ‘into’ the paranormal, but she explained to me that her family was kind of “in tune” (whatever that meant) with things of that nature…I shrugged it off as BS.
First experiences; She was home alone for a week, her family went to see their grandparents but she had to stay behind because of school. She called me in mid panic one afternoon: “can I come over…like now…and live with you guys until my family gets back????” she was scared. I could tell. I had no idea what was going on. Said, “sure”. She then told me “you know that massive sofa in our living room…the one that weighs a ton and needs three people to move it an inch?...well….its in a different room suddenly…”
(the sofa is huge…and I mean, yeah. I saw it in the other room…it was beyond strange, but I still ignored it)
Then as the months went on I would stay at her house a lot. They had a system that at night, NO ONE could walk downstairs without the alarm being turned on, unless you punch in the security code…we would CONSTANTLY hear footsteps…I even leaned over the banisters, no one there. Lights are off. No Alarm. Just the sounds of footsteps pacing around the downstairs of the house. It was so eerie.
Her and I moved in together in an apartment a year later and that’s when things really started happening and that’s where I had to question the world I lived in. It became a common occurrence (every couple of days/nights) that at night, I would hear the tap being turned, and the water would start running. The bathroom lights would be switched on and off (the switch was a string that you pull from the ceiling) all the time.
Once I was sitting down reading the newspaper and from the corner of my eye I could see my laptop modem literally hovering two inches from the ground and swaying. Every time I looked at it, it would drop to the ground. Repeat process several times before it stopped completely.
It was also not rare for both of us to be in bed, reading before sleeping when suddenly we’d see the curtains in front of us being lifted about 4 feet off the ground and then drop to the ground again… all windows shut, no doors open, no draft…
I started become a little interested here…so I started reading everything and anything I could find about the paranormal/energies/spirituality etc etc… and that helped me a lot to not freak out and almost be able to mediate situations where weird stuff was happening. It also helped me discover other things about myself that I deemed insane and impossible before all of this.
We then moved to another apartment where strangely enough, nothing happened.
After 7 months there we moved to Greece. And the same stuff would happened again…only this time I would be literally physically grabbed at times by “nothing”. Its happened at least three times to this day that I am walking and suddenly feel something grip my arm and yank me back just to see no one is there at all.
Since then its quietened down – I’ve not had anything intense happen anymore. On occasion I can “feel” presences around…and I know that sounds loose and unconvincing, but believe me I have some kind of a weird ability to feel energies and even see energy fields around people and objects – sometimes I can even catch glimpses of peoples auras.
I could carry on & on with things I have experienced (energy fields etc, if you want to know, pm me, im not going to post all that here) , but those are not directly linked with spirits/ghosts/whatever you feel like calling them. I just want people to at least ATTEMPT to search for what is beyond their immediate physical senses.
This would freak me out so much that I would dump the girl no matter how much i loved her.
thehawks
05/05/08, 10:02 AM
Now that we're telling ghost stories...
My girlfriend and I were driving down a pretty normally busy road around 2 AM, coming back from a movie. Because of the time, almost nobody was out. We probably saw 2 cars on the way home from the movie.
Well, I reached back into my back seat to grab my CD case and my girlfriend just starts freaking out, screaming and yelling for no particular reason. I flip my head around and I see a person standing in the middle of the road, about 2 feet in front of my car going 45 MPH. I go right through this person, seemingly hitting them... except there was no noise.
I park the car in the middle of the road and tell my girlfriend to lock the doors. I run out to where this man was standing and there is no blood and no body. I searched for around 20 minutes and I swear to God I ran 1.5 miles, but nothing. I run back to the car and there is no damage.
I swear to you there was somebody on that road that I hit. I always look for him when I drive at night but can't find him.
Alex Djaferis
05/05/08, 10:29 AM
This would freak me out so much that I would dump the girl no matter how much i loved her.
That's sad.
ActionActionFan
05/05/08, 12:02 PM
Now that we're telling ghost stories...
My girlfriend and I were driving down a pretty normally busy road around 2 AM, coming back from a movie. Because of the time, almost nobody was out. We probably saw 2 cars on the way home from the movie.
Well, I reached back into my back seat to grab my CD case and my girlfriend just starts freaking out, screaming and yelling for no particular reason. I flip my head around and I see a person standing in the middle of the road, about 2 feet in front of my car going 45 MPH. I go right through this person, seemingly hitting them... except there was no noise.
I park the car in the middle of the road and tell my girlfriend to lock the doors. I run out to where this man was standing and there is no blood and no body. I searched for around 20 minutes and I swear to God I ran 1.5 miles, but nothing. I run back to the car and there is no damage.
I swear to you there was somebody on that road that I hit. I always look for him when I drive at night but can't find him.
Was it like The Hitcher
shit stroll
05/05/08, 01:48 PM
Now that we're telling ghost stories...
My girlfriend and I were driving down a pretty normally busy road around 2 AM, coming back from a movie. Because of the time, almost nobody was out. We probably saw 2 cars on the way home from the movie.
Well, I reached back into my back seat to grab my CD case and my girlfriend just starts freaking out, screaming and yelling for no particular reason. I flip my head around and I see a person standing in the middle of the road, about 2 feet in front of my car going 45 MPH. I go right through this person, seemingly hitting them... except there was no noise.
I park the car in the middle of the road and tell my girlfriend to lock the doors. I run out to where this man was standing and there is no blood and no body. I searched for around 20 minutes and I swear to God I ran 1.5 miles, but nothing. I run back to the car and there is no damage.
I swear to you there was somebody on that road that I hit. I always look for him when I drive at night but can't find him.
i find that story hard to believe.
Alex Djaferis
05/06/08, 09:32 AM
most stories are hard to believe if you have never experienced something that cannot be explained.
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