problem with screaming

[rossman692]

ok, this is a topic thats really gotten to me over the last six months. most music with screaming is just intolerable. bands like Static Lullaby, etc, you know who im talknig about. there all unoriginal. some of you might say, "but hey, they have some pretty sick lyrics" but if there so good, why not sing them so people can undestand what the hell your saying? some bands like thrice and thursday are talented and screaming is part of what there music is, but there songs are also at least half singing also. but screaming for the hell of it? fuck off. what do all those 18 and 19 year old pussies in senses fail have to scream about anyway? " i wanna kill you, i wanna kill you, now im insane" aw, you wanna kill your girlfreind? thats cute. why dont you live through life a little bit longer before you bitch and scream about everything. im sorry, but is anyone else ready for this whole screaming trend to go away besides me?

[IceCreamCone]

no

[IceCreamCone]

i love static lullaby, fata, atreyu

these are some of the best bands out there and screaming makes them who they are. and the guitars and double bass is also what does it for me these bands are awsome

[FarPastGone]

Originally posted by IceCreamCone
no

There are tons of good bands out there that have screaming as a part of there music (Hearts To Handguns, Letter Twelve; go check out www.heartstohandguns.com ), you just proably haven't heard them. And A Static Lullaby is good, not the best screaming band, but pretty good).

[FalloutGuy]

Originally posted by IceCreamCone
no

[richter915]

Originally posted by rossman692
ok, this is a topic thats really gotten to me over the last six months. most music with screaming is just intolerable. bands like Static Lullaby, etc, you know who im talknig about. there all unoriginal. some of you might say, "but hey, they have some pretty sick lyrics" but if there so good, why not sing them so people can undestand what the hell your saying? some bands like thrice and thursday are talented and screaming is part of what there music is, but there songs are also at least half singing also. but screaming for the hell of it? fuck off. what do all those 18 and 19 year old pussies in senses fail have to scream about anyway? " i wanna kill you, i wanna kill you, now im insane" aw, you wanna kill your girlfreind? thats cute. why dont you live through life a little bit longer before you bitch and scream about everything. im sorry, but is anyone else ready for this whole screaming trend to go away besides me?
wow, someone I agree with. right on man. These kids have NO right to be bitching. I also find it funny how people can totally bash bands like mudvayne who scream a lot, but then go listen to other bands like atreyu and senses fail and say "man, that screaming is amazing" dunno if that applies to anyone on the board, but my friends are that way...it's disgusting.

[mOvielife99]

<-- fuckin loves screamo

[mwhpunk]

i don't like all the screaming... some songs i can handle but as long as it doesn't cross that thin line.

[turtlefootrx]

if you dont like the screamo music then you dont like the bands, but nobody says you have to listen to em....

as for me, i cant get enough of it. just cuz kids are 18 and 19 doesnt mean they havent gone thru enough shit of their own to write about. everyones been thru that wanna kill your girlfriend stage shit at some point...its just how the routine works. different strokes fer different folks..if ya dont like it...dont listen to it...

[i kill children]

bands that occasionally scream, i.e. vendetta red, story of the year, brans new

[Don Socrates]

If you have your doubts about the artistic or lyrical value of the "screamo" genre, I highly reccomend that you listen to an album called The Satellite Years by a band called Hopesfall. That or any album with the word "Glassjaw" on the label. You will be a changed man. Also, bear in mind that "screamo" is definiely an acquired taste.

[FarPastGone]

Originally posted by richter915
wow, someone I agree with. right on man. These kids have NO right to be bitching. I also find it funny how people can totally bash bands like mudvayne who scream a lot, but then go listen to other bands like atreyu and senses fail and say "man, that screaming is amazing" dunno if that applies to anyone on the board, but my friends are that way...it's disgusting.

Mudvayne is in a totally different category then your average screamo bands (shit category), and im not trying to be a jerk about this in anyway but when I saw Rise Against in concert the singer seemed like he had somewhat of a screamo band singer sound...but its your choice what you want to listen too...

[Don Socrates]

Originally posted by richter915
wow, someone I agree with. right on man. These kids have NO right to be bitching. I also find it funny how people can totally bash bands like mudvayne who scream a lot, but then go listen to other bands like atreyu and senses fail and say "man, that screaming is amazing" dunno if that applies to anyone on the board, but my friends are that way...it's disgusting.

I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no way to compare a band like Hopesfall or Atreyu to the type of brainless math metal purveyed by the likes of Mudvayne and Slipknot.

First, the screaming style is different. Whereas the emo types tend to go for the deep, lung-driven screams, which have a more passionate feel, the speed metal kids go for a mrore guttaral sound, which comes off more menacing than passionate.
Not to mention that the music behind the voices are incomparable. Mudvayne's guitar work is very frenetic and chaotic, whereas Atreyu goes for a more sweeping sound, and Senses Fail for a faster, poppier one.
Lyrics are another note. The screamo boys go for (usually) more intelligent and emotional lyrics, whereas the metal types settle for all-out anger and agression (read the lyrics to Slipknots's "My Plague" and compare them to Atreyu's "A Song for the Optomists"). The difference in the feel, and hell, the quality, is clear.

[MaybeOneDay]

This is just another stupid rant, where the person has no idea what they're talking about and seem to think everybody should listen to what they listen to.

This is so stupid. You don't get it. Barely anyone does. It's people like you who put WAY too much thought into music. It's just music. Take it for what it is, don't bitch about shit and have huge long rants like this.

Listen to what you like, let others do the same. It's that simple.

[wesXedge]

Originally posted by rossman692
ok, this is a topic thats really gotten to me over the last six months. most music with screaming is just intolerable. bands like Static Lullaby, etc, you know who im talknig about. there all unoriginal. some of you might say, "but hey, they have some pretty sick lyrics" but if there so good, why not sing them so people can undestand what the hell your saying? some bands like thrice and thursday are talented and screaming is part of what there music is, but there songs are also at least half singing also. but screaming for the hell of it? fuck off. what do all those 18 and 19 year old pussies in senses fail have to scream about anyway? " i wanna kill you, i wanna kill you, now im insane" aw, you wanna kill your girlfreind? thats cute. why dont you live through life a little bit longer before you bitch and scream about everything. im sorry, but is anyone else ready for this whole screaming trend to go away besides me?

You fucking god-damn pussy ass jesus crotch bastard I will fucking kill you. You will rot in hell and I hope to fuck they play nothing but shit like fuckin between the buried and me, and norma jean, you fuckin cocklick. If you've been through life so goddamn long why the fuck didn't you ever stop and take the time to learn how to spell the word "friend" you illiterate fuck.

[Don Socrates]

Originally posted by MaybeOneDay
This is just another stupid rant, where the person has no idea what they're talking about and seem to think everybody should listen to what they listen to.

This is so stupid. You don't get it. Barely anyone does. It's people like you who put WAY too much thought into music. It's just music. Take it for what it is, don't bitch about shit and have huge long rants like this.

Listen to what you like, let others do the same. It's that simple.


I'm sorry sir, I wasn't trying to put down anyone's tastes, I was merely showing some of the differences between the artists in question. Really, why post on a music forum if your going to launch into some tirade anytime someone tries to have a thoughtful discussion? I'm sorry if I "think too much" for you to follow, the only reason I registered on this forum was looking for intelligent conversation on the subject of modern rock music. Wrong place, I guess.

[MaybeOneDay]

Originally posted by Don Socrates
I'm sorry sir, I wasn't trying to put down anyone's tastes, I was merely showing some of the differences between the artists in question. Really, why post on a music forum if your going to launch into some tirade anytime someone tries to have a thoughtful discussion? I'm sorry if I "think too much" for you to follow, the only reason I registered on this forum was looking for intelligent conversation on the subject of modern rock music. Wrong place, I guess.

Uhhh...dude, nobody even directed a comment at you.

And you can have intelligent conversations on music with people here, you're just having them with the wrong people.

[lollirot]

Originally posted by Don Socrates
I'm sorry sir, I wasn't trying to put down anyone's tastes, I was merely showing some of the differences between the artists in question. Really, why post on a music forum if your going to launch into some tirade anytime someone tries to have a thoughtful discussion? I'm sorry if I "think too much" for you to follow, the only reason I registered on this forum was looking for intelligent conversation on the subject of modern rock music. Wrong place, I guess.

http://knifeparty.com/forums

They're having a fucking argument over Elvis over there.

[Don Socrates]

Originally posted by MaybeOneDay
Uhhh...dude, nobody even directed a comment at you.

And you can have intelligent conversations on music with people here, you're just having them with the wrong people.

I thought MaybeOneDay's comments were adddressed towards mine. I guess he was directing them at the orginal poster. My mistake.

[BigD]

Screaming is good.
My Favorite recipe of music is a good mixture of screaming and singing. Thrice, Finch, The Used. That kind of stuff.

However I do like some nearly pure screaming...Lately I've been listening to "Nerdy" by Poison the Well alot.

[kevin]

You should listen to Converge, Saetia and Neil Perry. That's pure screaming.

[Don Socrates]

Good call on all three of those. Might I add that Hopesfall (I sound like a fanboy, I must have mentioned them at least 3 times here) serves up the blended scream/sing nicely, and for pure screaming Every Time I Die, Coalesce, and Zao also perform quite well?

[pUnkKid174]

as for me, i cant get enough of it. just cuz kids are 18 and 19 doesnt mean they havent gone thru enough shit of their own to write about. everyones been thru that wanna kill your girlfriend stage shit at some point...its just how the routine works. different strokes fer different folks..if ya dont like it...dont listen to it...
i agree...screaming is ultimately different from other kinds of music and most of the screamo bands have great lyrics...and you're right, just because the kids are only 16 or 19 doesnt mean that they havent gone through all of that shit because a lot have, and therefore they can write about it all they want

and you really cant compare any bands music and lyrics like slipknot and atreyu or anything else because, like thrice or the used or hopesfall and all that other stuff, they each have something different that makes kids love the music...its that way for me with thrice, because they are different and noone else will ever be able to get even close to the music and lyrics that they have created...

[lollirot]

Circle Takes the Square

[kevin]

Originally posted by Don Socrates
Good call on all three of those. Might I add that Hopesfall (I sound like a fanboy, I must have mentioned them at least 3 times here) serves up the blended scream/sing nicely, and for pure screaming Every Time I Die, Coalesce, and Zao also perform quite well?

I saw Hopesfall perform in a bar the size of basement. It was pretty intense.

[MaybeOneDay]

Originally posted by Don Socrates
I thought MaybeOneDay's comments were adddressed towards mine. I guess he was directing them at the orginal poster. My mistake.

Nope. None of it was directed at you. Only at the original poster.

[Don Socrates]

Originally posted by MaybeOneDay
Nope. None of it was directed at you. Only at the original poster.

Sorry then. No hard feelings.

[MaybeOneDay]

Originally posted by Don Socrates
Sorry then. No hard feelings.

Yeah, no problem. It's cool.

[BanMe]

Originally posted by kevin
You should listen to Converge, Saetia and Neil Perry. That's pure screaming.

Yes. And also the shortlived band, All Else Failed, that guy could belt out a scream.

Singing and screaming is nothing new, and it certainly doesn't make you screamo. Bands have been doing this for years.

[still_life]

Some of you need to quit posting. Simple as that.

[lollirot]

:rolleyes:

[RefusedsXe]

You just dont understand.

[worldstheory]

Originally posted by Don Socrates
I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no way to compare a band like Hopesfall or Atreyu to the type of brainless math metal purveyed by the likes of Mudvayne and Slipknot.

First, the screaming style is different. Whereas the emo types tend to go for the deep, lung-driven screams, which have a more passionate feel, the speed metal kids go for a mrore guttaral sound, which comes off more menacing than passionate.
Not to mention that the music behind the voices are incomparable. Mudvayne's guitar work is very frenetic and chaotic, whereas Atreyu goes for a more sweeping sound, and Senses Fail for a faster, poppier one.
Lyrics are another note. The screamo boys go for (usually) more intelligent and emotional lyrics, whereas the metal types settle for all-out anger and agression (read the lyrics to Slipknots's "My Plague" and compare them to Atreyu's "A Song for the Optomists"). The difference in the feel, and hell, the quality, is clear.

[thexflamesxburn]

whoever started this thread is a fuckin' idiot.

[richter915]

Originally posted by FarPastGone
Mudvayne is in a totally different category then your average screamo bands (shit category), and im not trying to be a jerk about this in anyway but when I saw Rise Against in concert the singer seemed like he had somewhat of a screamo band singer sound...but its your choice what you want to listen too...
I dunno, the only problem I have is when bands scream like idiots for no real reason, that's why I stopped listening to most metal and screamo. I think screaming is a good vocal technique...when done right. I hate some bands who just scream like baboons, doing it cause some bigger bands do it. I think Time from RA has a great "screaming" voice, he knows how to use it without going too far. Serj from SOAD can also do it really well...and the guy from Thrice, his voice has grown on me too. And Tim may have a screamo sounding voice, but what he's singing about most of the time are more serious issues (in my opinion) then heartbreaks and such.

[richter915]

Originally posted by Don Socrates
I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no way to compare a band like Hopesfall or Atreyu to the type of brainless math metal purveyed by the likes of Mudvayne and Slipknot.

First, the screaming style is different. Whereas the emo types tend to go for the deep, lung-driven screams, which have a more passionate feel, the speed metal kids go for a mrore guttaral sound, which comes off more menacing than passionate.
Not to mention that the music behind the voices are incomparable. Mudvayne's guitar work is very frenetic and chaotic, whereas Atreyu goes for a more sweeping sound, and Senses Fail for a faster, poppier one.
Lyrics are another note. The screamo boys go for (usually) more intelligent and emotional lyrics, whereas the metal types settle for all-out anger and agression (read the lyrics to Slipknots's "My Plague" and compare them to Atreyu's "A Song for the Optomists"). The difference in the feel, and hell, the quality, is clear.
well, first off, thanks for not calling me a total idiot for my post like many others do...brandon...I know the screaming between the two different bands is different...but with some of the screamo bands I've heard, the screaming makes it hard to understand what he's saying...I was saying how my friends are hypocrites on this topic...not people on this board. But with what you said about the lyrics, you say they're really intelligent and emotional while metal is pure aggression, which means it has a lot of energy. Some people I know say they love screamo for the pure energy and aggression in the music...so, I dunno. I haven't listened to enough screamo to tell the difference...but I mean...read the lyrics to 187..I forget how it goes exactly...but it is anger and definitely not that intelligent.

[BanMe]

Slipknot and Mudvayne are terrible examples of metal, that's like judging all punk based on Simple Plan. If you want math metal(how this applies to these bands, I don't know) listen to Meshuggah's "Chaosphere". It's also asinine to say "screamo"(Hopesfall and Atreyu are metalcore bands, who both borrow very heavily from the genre you're insulting) bands have better lyrics than metal based on this example.

[indie_child]

I hope the guy who started this thread knows what he is getting himself into...

[still_life]

First off, you don't listen to screamo, so quit talking about it. Screaming is a vocal technique that's been used for many years. Who are you people to say it's not needed? A band like Converge would just sound silly without screaming. If a band plays a heavier form of music, then screaming is a must. It also takes a lot of talent to scream. I bet most people wouldn't have any voice left if they tried performing live for a band that screams. The scream has to come from the diaphragm, not the throat.

[thexflamesxburn]

Originally posted by indie_child
I hope the guy who started this thread knows what he is getting himself into...

[takingbackrufio]

Originally posted by MaybeOneDay
Listen to what you like, let others do the same. It's that simple.

[richter915]

Originally posted by still_life
First off, you don't listen to screamo, so quit talking about it. Screaming is a vocal technique that's been used for many years. Who are you people to say it's not needed? A band like Converge would just sound silly without screaming. If a band plays a heavier form of music, then screaming is a must. It also takes a lot of talent to scream. I bet most people wouldn't have any voice left if they tried performing live for a band that screams. The scream has to come from the diaphragm, not the throat.
I've never listened to Converge so I don't know about them. It's fine that some bands scream in their music, I understand that now, but it's those singers who can't do it that really piss me off. I think it takes a lot more talent to scream good than sing good. And if you know anything about singing and vocalization, you know that singing NEVER comes from the throat...it comes from the lower belly or the diaphragm, the problem is that a lot of musicians out there that I've heard can't do that, and they really butcher their music. And if you can't even sing properly, why bother screaming, it'll just make things worse.

[thexflamesxburn]

Originally posted by MaybeOneDay
Listen to what you like, let others do the same. It's that simple.

i had a thread on that like 2 weeks ago. where were you when that was going on?

i took so much shit for trying to explain that everyone is entitled to an opinion.


i swear, sometimes i feel like its a cardinal sin to have an opinion on something.

[MaybeOneDay]

Originally posted by thexflamesxburn
i had a thread on that like 2 weeks ago. where were you when that was going on?

i took so much shit for trying to explain that everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Well, that's pretty pathetic people would give you shit for trying to explain such a simple thing to understand.

I don't know where I was, but i'll be around next time

[richter915]

Originally posted by thexflamesxburn
i had a thread on that like 2 weeks ago. where were you when that was going on?

i took so much shit for trying to explain that everyone is entitled to an opinion.


i swear, sometimes i feel like its a cardinal sin to have an opinion on something.
The only reason I get annoyed by some stuff is when people literally say "band X is amazing cause they're so screamo man, you're a pussy if you don't like em" It gets really annoying and then an argument starts up. Also when people insult you for liking a certain kind of music, after a while it gets annoying and a fight erupts.

[takingbackrufio]

Yeh, that's pretty stupid people would give you shit for you explaining that everybody is entitled to an opinion. But, the same goes for this thread ... I think it is fucking stupid on one hand, but on the other, if the original poster is mad because certain people judge him differently because he doesn't like screamo, and that's his motivation to make a point on screamo, it's his opinion because some stupid kid trying to make himself sound cool motivated him to hate screamo. Personally, there is some 'screamo' if you'd call it that I can enjoy. Meh.

[richter915]

Originally posted by takingbackrufio
Yeh, that's pretty stupid people would give you shit for you explaining that everybody is entitled to an opinion. But, the same goes for this thread ... I think it is fucking stupid on one hand, but on the other, if the original poster is mad because certain people judge him differently because he doesn't like screamo, and that's his motivation to make a point on screamo, it's his opinion because some stupid kid trying to make himself sound cool motivated him to hate screamo. Personally, there is some 'screamo' if you'd call it that I can enjoy. Meh.
you know, I almost 100 percent agree with you on that...why must you people hate me so much? meh

[chadders]

You can't focus on one element of a piece of music and dismiss it completely, thats like saying you don't like a certain guitar sound so any song that uses that guitar sound you won't like, however good it is. It's stupid to write-off a certain aspect of music just like that as it narrows your scope and range of taste, which may mean you miss out on some extremely good music.

Personally I love screaming, at least in "screamo" or whatever its called this week. It has a very affecting quality which provokes a real emotion in the listener, which is just about the best thing a piece of music can do.

As long as that emotion isn't "Fuck me, this is shit!!" ;)

[AlwaysPunkin45]

Originally posted by rossman692
ok, this is a topic thats really gotten to me over the last six months. most music with screaming is just intolerable. bands like Static Lullaby, etc, you know who im talknig about. there all unoriginal. some of you might say, "but hey, they have some pretty sick lyrics" but if there so good, why not sing them so people can undestand what the hell your saying? some bands like thrice and thursday are talented and screaming is part of what there music is, but there songs are also at least half singing also. but screaming for the hell of it? fuck off. what do all those 18 and 19 year old pussies in senses fail have to scream about anyway? " i wanna kill you, i wanna kill you, now im insane" aw, you wanna kill your girlfreind? thats cute. why dont you live through life a little bit longer before you bitch and scream about everything. im sorry, but is anyone else ready for this whole screaming trend to go away besides me? Yeah...i agree

[Don Socrates]

Originally posted by BanMe
Slipknot and Mudvayne are terrible examples of metal, that's like judging all punk based on Simple Plan. If you want math metal(how this applies to these bands, I don't know) listen to Meshuggah's "Chaosphere". It's also asinine to say "screamo"(Hopesfall and Atreyu are metalcore bands, who both borrow very heavily from the genre you're insulting) bands have better lyrics than metal based on this example.

I cant stand Messhuggah. Maybe having sloppy basslines and uninteligible vocals flies in Sweden, but wow do they suck. Even so they fit a lot of my arguments. They do a lot more gutural growling than real lung-driven screaming, a difference I pointed out. So I wasnt totally off base.
I understand your point though, and I agree that you really cant analyze a whole genre based on two bands. I was just using them as examples because Mudvayne was mentioned in the post I was replying too.
And I can see how Hopesfall and Atreyu may not meet the screamo demographic, but the original post discussed all music with screamed vocals, which those bands definitely have. And while some bands like Senses Fail tend to write fairly uninspired lyrics, in general the more emotional types are a bit more lyrical than the metalheads.

[takingbackrufio]

Originally posted by richter915
you know, I almost 100 percent agree with you on that...why must you people hate me so much? meh We don't hate you, Ritcher ... we may have bugged you, but that's over.

Truthfully, I'm liking you more and more every post. Not saying that I'm about to agree with every word you say, but you are taking steps in the right direction.

[richter915]

Originally posted by takingbackrufio
We don't hate you, Ritcher ... we may have bugged you, but that's over.

Truthfully, I'm liking you more and more every post. Not saying that I'm about to agree with every word you say, but you are taking steps in the right direction.
oh, that's kool then. If you guys don't hold grudges guess I shouldn't either. Right on.

[MaybeOneDay]

Originally posted by takingbackrufio
We don't hate you, Ritcher ... we may have bugged you, but that's over.

Truthfully, I'm liking you more and more every post. Not saying that I'm about to agree with every word you say, but you are taking steps in the right direction.

[takingbackrufio]

Originally posted by richter915
oh, that's kool then. If you guys don't hold grudges guess I shouldn't either. Right on. Just keep it cool man, sometimes we can take things a little far, but it's only a matter of fun. You'll know when we're serious. ;)

[MaybeOneDay]

Originally posted by takingbackrufio
Just keep it cool man, sometimes we can take things a little far, but it's only a matter of fun. You'll know when we're serious. ;)

Yeah, exactly.

If we're serious, we'll probably say something like "i'm serious". So, it's really quite easy to know when we're kidding or not. But yeah, no more grudges held.

[takingbackrufio]

Originally posted by MaybeOneDay
Yeah, exactly.

If we're serious, we'll probably say something like "i'm serious". So, it's really quite easy to know when we're kidding or not. But yeah, no more grudges held. Yeh, and we usually make valid points, not stupid sarcastic mumbo-jumbo. If we're serious, we'll go into a paragraph with detailed information on why we hate you, and valid points about why your opinion matters nothing.

[MaybeOneDay]

Originally posted by takingbackrufio
Yeh, and we usually make valid points, not stupid sarcastic mumbo-jumbo. If we're serious, we'll go into a paragraph with detailed information on why we hate you, and valid points about why your opinion matters nothing.

That's so true it hurts.

[takingbackrufio]

Originally posted by MaybeOneDay
That's so true it hurts. I tried to make it sound like I was being serious, did it work? ;)

Nah, just a little joke, I was being serious.

[MaybeOneDay]

Hah. Yeah, it worked.

[BanMe]

Originally posted by Don Socrates
I cant stand Messhuggah. Maybe having sloppy basslines and uninteligible vocals flies in Sweden, but wow do they suck. Even so they fit a lot of my arguments. They do a lot more gutural growling than real lung-driven screaming, a difference I pointed out. So I wasnt totally off base.
I understand your point though, and I agree that you really cant analyze a whole genre based on two bands. I was just using them as examples because Mudvayne was mentioned in the post I was replying too.
And I can see how Hopesfall and Atreyu may not meet the screamo demographic, but the original post discussed all music with screamed vocals, which those bands definitely have. And while some bands like Senses Fail tend to write fairly uninspired lyrics, in general the more emotional types are a bit more lyrical than the metalheads.

I don't see how the basslines are sloppy, everything on that album is pretty much perfectly calculated, hence the math metal label. But anyway, ask most metal fans if they consider Slipknot and Mudvayne metal and they're probably going to say no. I don't think Senses Fail has inspired lyrics, I find them to be contrived, and there are plenty of metal bands who write better lyrics than them.

[Don Socrates]

Originally posted by BanMe
I don't see how the basslines are sloppy, everything on that album is pretty much perfectly calculated, hence the math metal label. But anyway, ask most metal fans if they consider Slipknot and Mudvayne metal and they're probably going to say no. I don't think Senses Fail has inspired lyrics, I find them to be contrived, and there are plenty of metal bands who write better lyrics than them.

I wrote in my post that Senses Fail write uninspired lyrics. See, we agree on something. But in general, I find better lyrics with the depressed little emokids than with the angry metalheads. Thrice much? Kensrue writes brilliant lines of social polemic in his work, and I'll take that over Cradle of Filth's satanic screeching any day.
Once again, I realize that Mudvayne is by no means the standard bearer for modern metal, but that was the band brought up in Richter's post. He said there was little difference between Mudvayne and "screamo" bands, so I was pointing out those differences.
And I've been kind of out of the metal scene for awhile, but last time I poked my head in there was much betetr stuff flaoting around than Meshuggah.

[BanMe]

I know there is better metal than Meshuggah, but they popped into my head when I saw "math metal". They pretty much define that genre. I hate Cradle of Filth, and most "black metal"(if it sounds like videogame music, unless it's Horse the Band, I don't wanna hear it) but there are plenty of metal bands who write about social issues as well. Yes, I do listen to Thrice, although their last album didn't do much for me, I don't really consider them emo though. They take elements of metal and elements of pop punk and combine them. I think in general, the "nu-emo" bands like to use a lot of metaphors and vague lines in an attempt to sound "deep", but most of time it just comes off sounding fake.

[Don Socrates]

I hear you. Listening to Story of the Year's new album was just awful. "Until the day I die, I split my heart for you". What the hell is that? How does one split their heart? Is that good or bad?
or "My hand aroudn your neck, and I think I hate you". Well obviously, if your choking someone, you probably aren't too crazy about them. Not too mention thsoe are almsot plagiarized from a Finch song. And when your ripping of Finch for lyrics, you are in trouble.

[Korvans]

my oppinion - bands that scream constantly= suck
bands that sing and occasionally scream but still have great vocals= kickass (glassjaw,used,finch)

[MaybeOneDay]

Originally posted by Don Socrates
I hear you. Listening to Story of the Year's new album was just awful. "Until the day I die, I split my heart for you". What the hell is that? How does one split their heart? Is that good or bad?
or "My hand aroudn your neck, and I think I hate you". Well obviously, if your choking someone, you probably aren't too crazy about them. Not too mention thsoe are almsot plagiarized from a Finch song. And when your ripping of Finch for lyrics, you are in trouble.

Just to correct you:

"My hands are at your throat, and I think I hate you"

"Until the day I die, i'll spill my heart for you"

you might want to edit your post a bit.

[takingbackrufio]

... and he was supposed to be the most intelligent person in the forum. :rolleyes:

[MaybeOneDay]

Haha. He's going to have to redeem himself now. Oh well, I still like the guy.

[takingbackrufio]

Yeah ... I'll say the same.