The West Virginia Primary Thread

[saysmydoctor]

Clinton has a huge lead but still can't dent his lead in a miraculous way. This won't be like winning Pennsylvania.

[loveisdead]

I bet it won't be that much of a blow out. Obama is now leading in superdelegates too and the media is constantly on Clinton to drop out. I think it might be closer than a lot of people are saying.

[Mitch]

Ha, West Virginia.

[saysmydoctor]

I was really hoping to avoid another primary thread but Lake County failed me.

[Mitch]

West Virginia doesn't even deserve it's own thread, and I'm not just saying that because Obama is going to lose the state by a very large margin.

[saysmydoctor]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/10/dems.wrap/index.html

[loveisdead]

How bad is he supposed to lose by? Cause I'm honestly afraid she'll think she has a chance if she wins it by enough.

[loveisdead]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/10/dems.wrap/index.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7394311.stm

that says that he's in the lead.

[Mitch]

How bad is he supposed to lose by? Cause I'm honestly afraid she'll think she has a chance if she wins it by enough.

30-some points, I believe.

Everything I have read seems to agree that it won't be a big deal though.

[saysmydoctor]

Clinton can win WV and still need to drop out. It's not a dent.

[greganddistance]

it won't be a big dent to obama, but clinton will definitely win here. there's clinton crazies all over the place.

[loveisdead]

I just really hope she doesn't let a big win go to her head.

[saysmydoctor]

She will. She let a small win do it.

[loveisdead]

Good point. We should start taking bets on when she'll call it quits.

[saysmydoctor]

She'll pull a Lieberman and run as an independent.


































What if I'm right? God, damnit, I'd probably go through with my plan of moving to Iceland.

[loveisdead]

She'll pull a Lieberman and run as an independent.


































What if I'm right? God, damnit, I'd probably go through with my plan of moving to Iceland.

She will not run as an independent. She'd absolutely ruin the democrats.

[saysmydoctor]

She hasn't given a damn about the party thus far, no matter what she proclaims. And this self-sacrifice of the party's support would probably up her cool amongst her supporters.

(I'm assuming her supporters are idiotic drones.)

[guywithstik]

He's ahead by every meaningful metric. News networks are only talking about this because they have 24-hours worth of programming to fill. Regardless of her reasons, she shouldn't be forced to leave the race; I think the reason why some are angry is the way she's going about it. She doesn't have to use a full-blown "scorched earth" tactic -- it's only hurting Obama's chances in the fall (which some believe she's doing on purpose)

[saysmydoctor]

Not using it makes her less dynamic.

[loveisdead]

If she ran as an independent this election I could see the democratic party taking some steps to prevent her from running as a democratic senator in 2010.

[saysmydoctor]

I doubt she will. But the Clintons are a stubborn bunch. I wouldn't be surprised by any tactic. I'm waiting for her to drop the bombshell before June 20th.

[loveisdead]

i don't want to wait that fucking long. This is beyond the point of ridiculous. Watching her idiot supporters on CNN talk about how she still has a chance of winning makes me sick to my stomach.

[saysmydoctor]

Paul Begala? I hate that man so much it's not even funny. When they were interviewing him while the numbers from Indiana were coming in and he looked so sad and I was so excited to see that ignorant face contory with misery.

Then she gave her speech and he went on this rant about she could still win.

Fuck you John King. Fuck you Paul Begala.

[loveisdead]

Yeah that's the guy I was talking about, I couldn't think of his name.

[saysmydoctor]

Guy has been a Clinton supporter for years. He is as devout as he is retarded.

[Machu505]

As a West Virginian, I saying that this primary doesn't matter at all.

[Justin_stacy]

As a West Virginian, I saying that this primary doesn't matter at all.

In the long term maybe, but short term, the blow out Clinton is likely to inflict on Obama is going to give her the "justification" she needs to continue the race up until the convention.

[Justin_stacy]

(I'm assuming her supporters are idiotic drones.)

Most Obaminites give off that same impression.

[saysmydoctor]

Most Obaminites give off that same impression.
As a conservative, your fellows who swallow McCain's Iraq conflict remarks without any concern give off an even worse impression.

[GuitarR0cker1]

West Virginia doesn't matter, but Clinton will win it with a 30 point margin, with around 65 to 70 percent of the vote.
lol @ Clinton for calling West Virginia a "crucial" swing state when it has 5 electoral votes, and a lot of fiesty hicks that would never vote for Obama because he is black.

[mattybobviously]

70/30 won't surprise me, the world will collectively yawn at the result.

[apoemtothedead]

He'll be lucky to lose by 20 points.

[lauren<3s music]

i am officially sick of the primaries. i don't get why the DNC hasn't told her flat out she needs to bow out gracefully when it is obvious to everyone she can't win. if there's one thing you can count on the dems to do its to fuck up an election. sigh

[Mitch]

Good old West Virginia.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2a50425a-1f86-11dd-9216-000077b07658,s01=1.html

[apoemtothedead]

i am officially sick of the primaries. i don't get why the DNC hasn't told her flat out she needs to bow out gracefully when it is obvious to everyone she can't win. if there's one thing you can count on the dems to do its to fuck up an election. sigh
Because if the DNC does that they won't get the hardcore Hillary vote in November.

[lauren<3s music]

Because if the DNC does that they won't get the hardcore Hillary vote in November.

I disagree, but I should have prefaced that with if they did it quietly. I think most Clinton supporters would vote for Obama should he be the nominee whereas the reverse isn't true.

[saysmydoctor]

I disagree, but I should have prefaced that with if they did it quietly. I think most Clinton supporters would vote for Obama should he be the nominee whereas the reverse isn't true.
Wrong, most exit polls have shown in the last few primaries that is her voters that wouldn't vote for Obama more than his voters that wouldn't vote for her.

I noticed in that article, she is going to raise the race card concerning whether America is ready for a black president--but I'm willing to bet she would be up in arms if we asked the same question concerning women. West Virginia is not a vital swing state.

[lauren<3s music]

Wrong, most exit polls have shown in the last few primaries that is her voters that wouldn't vote for Obama more than his voters that wouldn't vote for her.

I noticed in that article, she is going to raise the race card concerning whether America is ready for a black president--but I'm willing to bet she would be up in arms if we asked the same question concerning women. West Virginia is not a vital swing state.

Because exit polls are useful for these measuring purposes. How's not at all sounding. OF COURSE her voters upon voting for her in a primary are going to say "No, we wouldn't vote for Obama" - she's still in the race at that point. There is a lot of anti-Clinton sentiment out there and even if her voters didn't vote at all in November, I still believe Obama would be okay. I mean think about it, if you have Clinton v. McCain all the crazy anti-Clinton people turn out and you lose an incredible amount of the "youth vote" which is the only way she could beat him. Obama on the other hand, does not have a strong "anti" faction. The only people who would turn out specifically to vote against him would be the insane racists and they wouldn't vote for a woman anyways.

Her behavior is disgusting and quite frankly I'd rather write in a candidate than vote for her at this point, if that's what it came to in November.

[saysmydoctor]

Because exit polls are useful for these measuring purposes. How's not at all sounding. OF COURSE her voters upon voting for her in a primary are going to say "No, we wouldn't vote for Obama" - she's still in the race at that point. There is a lot of anti-Clinton sentiment out there and even if her voters didn't vote at all in November, I still believe Obama would be okay. I mean think about it, if you have Clinton v. McCain all the crazy anti-Clinton people turn out and you lose an incredible amount of the "youth vote" which is the only way she could beat him. Obama on the other hand, does not have a strong "anti" faction. The only people who would turn out specifically to vote against him would be the insane racists and they wouldn't vote for a woman anyways.

Her behavior is disgusting and quite frankly I'd rather write in a candidate than vote for her at this point, if that's what it came to in November.
So, exit polls are only accurate if they agree with your point? Exit polls are the most accurate way of surveying the constutients. I'm not disagreeing with the rest of your point, but the exit polls have showed time and time again his fan base is not nearly as loyal as hers.

[lauren<3s music]

So, exit polls are only accurate if they agree with your point? Exit polls are the most accurate way of surveying the constutients. I'm not disagreeing with the rest of your point, but the exit polls have showed time and time again his fan base is not nearly as loyal as hers.

No, exit poll results are only accurate so long as the conditions under which the question was asked still apply. Meaning when she drops out, some voters could change their minds because she is no longer a viable candidate. I think most Clinton supporters are diehard dem loyalists who wouldn't jeopardize the white house for another 8 years.

[saysmydoctor]

The numbers have shown you are wrong. A lot.

[lauren<3s music]

Sure. for now.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I love your new icon Lauren. Brillant.

Wrong, most exit polls have shown in the last few primaries that is her voters that wouldn't vote for Obama more than his voters that wouldn't vote for her.

I noticed in that article, she is going to raise the race card concerning whether America is ready for a black president--but I'm willing to bet she would be up in arms if we asked the same question concerning women. West Virginia is not a vital swing state.
Thing is though, I expect a lot of that to change once the primary is over. This is still quite heated between Obama and Hilary supporters but once the general election really starts I think a lot of it will cool down. Besides, what are those people gonna do anyway come election day.....not vote for a democrat ?

Really........she is really gonna do that. I hope she does it, because the second she does people will finally jump off of her ship. It'll be the death of her campaign.

[loveisdead]

I love your new icon Lauren. Brillant.


Thing is though, I expect a lot of that to change once the primary is over. This is still quite heated between Obama and Hilary supporters but once the general election really starts I think a lot of it will cool down. Besides, what are those people gonna do anyway come election day.....not vote for a democrat ?

Really........she is really gonna do that. I hope she does it, because the second she does people will finally jump off of her ship. It'll be the death of her campaign.

I agree with pretty much everything you said, but the death of her campaign came at the hands of North Carolina and Indiana. She's just being a stubborn bitch now.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I agree with pretty much everything you said, but the death of her campaign came at the hands of North Carolina and Indiana. She's just being a stubborn bitch now.
I should clarify then.......it'll be the death cry of whatever excuse her campagin is now.

[lauren<3s music]

I love your new icon Lauren. Brillant.


Thing is though, I expect a lot of that to change once the primary is over. This is still quite heated between Obama and Hilary supporters but once the general election really starts I think a lot of it will cool down. Besides, what are those people gonna do anyway come election day.....not vote for a democrat ?

Really........she is really gonna do that. I hope she does it, because the second she does people will finally jump off of her ship. It'll be the death of her campaign.

thanks my favorite wookie ;-)

[apoemtothedead]

The numbers have shown you are wrong. A lot.
She's right. A lot can change between now and November. And of course Clinton supporters would say they would not vote for Obama in hopes of keeping Clinton in the race. However, I still think forcing her out, whether it's public or private, hurts the democratic chances in November. Especially in key states with large Clinton support, namely PA and OH, even though OH is practically out of reach for Obama. As long as Clinton goes through the next few weeks without running a negative campaign, I see no problem with her continuing in the race. I can't remember her being negative since NC and IN, however that simply might be because WV is already negative enough against Obama. But as long as she keeps it clean for the next few weeks, I don't think the DNC needs to step in.

[lauren<3s music]

Do you really think she'll go without being negative though? I doubt it. She strikes me as the vindictive type.

[apoemtothedead]

Everyone in the Democratic Party knows the race is over at this point. If she goes negative, she has a legitimate shot at ruining her political future and shots at the Presidency down the line. I'm sure she realizes this and I hope she's smart enough not to go negative.


Another hunch of mine is that she might bow out gracefully after Kentucky. She'll easily win that state (whether or not she's in the race) and it'll look bad for the democrats if Obama loses a race to a candidate no longer running for the position. Plus Obama will get more than half the pledged delegates that day with a win in Oregon, I believe.

But sometimes I just hope for the best in people.

[loveisdead]

That CNN map is so sweet. They just did a really interesting thing on how the general election will play out if it's McCain v. Obama.

[Machu505]

As I've said, West Virginia will not matter. This race is over and that's that.

[loveisdead]

We know. The focus here has seemed to drift towards how/when hillary will get out and the general election.

[lauren<3s music]

Everyone in the Democratic Party knows the race is over at this point. If she goes negative, she has a legitimate shot at ruining her political future and shots at the Presidency down the line. I'm sure she realizes this and I hope she's smart enough not to go negative.


Another hunch of mine is that she might bow out gracefully after Kentucky. She'll easily win that state (whether or not she's in the race) and it'll look bad for the democrats if Obama loses a race to a candidate no longer running for the position. Plus Obama will get more than half the pledged delegates that day with a win in Oregon, I believe.

But sometimes I just hope for the best in people.

I really hope you are right. Something about her, I'm not sure what it is, but I think she's going to go down without a fight.

[lauren<3s music]

We know. The focus here has seemed to drift towards how/when hillary will get out and the general election.

and how much damage she'll do

[loveisdead]

and how much damage she'll do
correct.

[asmolitor]

So, exit polls are only accurate if they agree with your point? Exit polls are the most accurate way of surveying the constutients. I'm not disagreeing with the rest of your point, but the exit polls have showed time and time again his fan base is not nearly as loyal as hers.

if exit polls were accurate, we would've had dewey and kerry as presidents. exit polls have large statistical bias, since you can't accurately get a true random sample based on the ability for people to decline to answer, and selective targeting by interviewers. when i was walking to my car after voting in 2004, and was approached by an interviewer, the look on their face when i said "bush" was amazing, as if they thought they had me perfectly picked out, as a young voter, to prove their cause and adjust their results accordingly. of course, that only really applies towards party vs. party polls, but still - exit polls aren't entirely that reliable.

[asmolitor]

as for the other topic in this thread, i'm convinced she's still in the race purely out of financial reasons, in trying to squeeze out as much as possible from donors to pay off debts. debts that she'd otherwise have to pay herself, to the tune of what? 5 and 11 million?

[saysmydoctor]

This is going to the Convention. I've thought so since Super Tuesday. The DNC is trying to shift focus to the General Election with the new ad campaign but I think in DNC offices across the country, Howard Dean & Co are concerned about the Convention floor.

[anamericangod]

Slavery is still legal in some parts West Virginia.

[asmolitor]

another thought: the recent silence by hillary is sort of disturbing. i have a feeling she's up to absolutely no good. her laying low is incredibly uncharacteristic, even in a losing battle.

[saysmydoctor]

as for the other topic in this thread, i'm convinced she's still in the race purely out of financial reasons, in trying to squeeze out as much as possible from donors to pay off debts. debts that she'd otherwise have to pay herself, to the tune of what? 5 and 11 million?
She's already paid into her own campaign 11 million dollars after the loss in NC and bare minimum win in IN.
another thought: the recent silence by hillary is sort of disturbing. i have a feeling she's up to absolutely no good. her laying low is incredibly uncharacteristic, even in a losing battle.
She was quiet once, after the speech on race...but I know what you are getting at--but I doubt she can afford it.

[Machu505]

Slavery is still legal in some parts West Virginia.

Really?

[saysmydoctor]

You know, I really wouldn't be surprised.


(The argument of his being a Muslim is so annoying. Fuck, pick up the numerous books proclaiming otherwise.)

[lauren<3s music]

correct.

why thank you

as for the other topic in this thread, i'm convinced she's still in the race purely out of financial reasons, in trying to squeeze out as much as possible from donors to pay off debts. debts that she'd otherwise have to pay herself, to the tune of what? 5 and 11 million?

very good point. i completely overlooked that. i heard about the 11 but where's the 5 coming from?

[asmolitor]

why thank you



very good point. i completely overlooked that. i heard about the 11 but where's the 5 coming from?

from what i recall offhand, she made a personal loan of $5 million to her campaign a few months ago, and then loaned herself another $11 million after NC. or i could be mistaken, and she lent herself $6 million after NC, with $11 million being the total.

[loveisdead]

from what i recall offhand, she made a personal loan of $5 million to her campaign a few months ago, and then loaned herself another $11 million after NC. or i could be mistaken, and she lent herself $6 million after NC, with $11 million being the total.
Pretty sure she lent herself 6 million and 11 is the total.

[lauren<3s music]

That is an insane amount of money. yeesh

[loveisdead]

Apparently there are problems with Obama's new pastor now. It never ends.

[mattybobviously]

The worst part is that no one will just come out and say that people in the religion business tend to say stupid shit.

[loveisdead]

Here's the link to what i was talking about. http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/23/in-eastor-sermon-trinity-united-pastor-compares-rev-wright-to-jesus/

It's fox so bare with me.

[anamericangod]

Really?

I hope so.

[Justin_stacy]

As a conservative, your fellows who swallow McCain's Iraq conflict remarks without any concern give off an even worse impression.

oh no, struck a nerve with one of the drones.

[saysmydoctor]

oh no, struck a nerve with one of the drones.
I wasn't attacking you, I clearly said your fellows.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

thanks my favorite wookie ;-)
AAARRGGGGGGGGGeerrrrr

That CNN map is so sweet. They just did a really interesting thing on how the general election will play out if it's McCain v. Obama.
Yeah that is really cool. John King gets a lot of press out of that thing. I wonder if he takes ladies to see it ? ;-)

How did Obama do BTW ?

another thought: the recent silence by hillary is sort of disturbing. i have a feeling she's up to absolutely no good. her laying low is incredibly uncharacteristic, even in a losing battle.
I'm kinda of enjoying watching it. It's like a car-crash. I wouldn't feel that way had she ran a more dignified campaign but she didn't.

That is an insane amount of money. yeesh
Something tells me she'll be alright.

[apoemtothedead]

The Clinton Campaign Chairman is funny.

"We will move ahead in the popular vote. There are 1.1 million Democrats in West Virginia, there are 1.6 million in Kentucky, 2.4 million in Puerto Rico. We win by these huge margins, have good turnout there, we will pick up a significant amount of the popular vote."

Population in WV: 1.8 million

[lauren<3s music]

AAARRGGGGGGGGGeerrrrr


Yeah that is really cool. John King gets a lot of press out of that thing. I wonder if he takes ladies to see it ? ;-)

How did Obama do BTW ?


I'm kinda of enjoying watching it. It's like a car-crash. I wouldn't feel that way had she ran a more dignified campaign but she didn't.


Something tells me she'll be alright.

ha!

yeah i know i just mean that's got to be close to the limits for personal loans, if memory serves correct. although campaign finance laws baffle me

The Clinton Campaign Chairman is funny.

"We will move ahead in the popular vote. There are 1.1 million Democrats in West Virginia, there are 1.6 million in Kentucky, 2.4 million in Puerto Rico. We win by these huge margins, have good turnout there, we will pick up a significant amount of the popular vote."

Population in WV: 1.8 million

HA. wow. desperate

[nivek87]

"Under pressure from some to withdraw from the race, Clinton insists that West Virginina, where only 28 delegates are at stake, is a key state in the fight for the White House."

psssh

[ghostyouare]

How bad is he supposed to lose by? Cause I'm honestly afraid she'll think she has a chance if she wins it by enough.
Shes going to stay in until the end because shes going to try to bitch about Florida and Michigan which would help her out if she gets her way.

[loveisdead]

Wow this thread was the most dead pimary thread yet on the day of. The media is making a bit too much of a deal out of this.

[Machu505]

28 delegates. Yes Hillary, we are REALLY relevant.

[loveisdead]

"Like the song says, it feels like heaven." Holy fucking shit I hate her.

:gunhead:

[loveisdead]

Now she's asking for money...the 6 million you lent yourself wasn't enough? I need a drink.

[loveisdead]

"Came from behind to win in Indiana" !!!!!!!!!!!!.....what in god's name is going on right now....someone come here and calm me.

[apoemtothedead]

Now she's asking for money...the 6 million you lent yourself wasn't enough? I need a drink.
She wants her money back.

[loveisdead]

She wants her money back.
She is so fucking selfish.

[loveisdead]

Are you watching her speak right now by the way?

[wesgemm08]

She wants her money back.

Some people on this board don't understand what the word 'loan' means

[mattybobviously]

HILLARY'S MAKIN' A COMEBACK! OH MAN!

going to go donate now, she's made it so clear that she is IN IT, TO WIN IT!

[driftsandpulls]

Hahaha
And now the media thinks she has a chance. It's so funny how things look great for Obama after a real win in the Indiana and North Carolina primaries yet when less than 30 delegates are at stake and she gets 60 percent of the pop. vote she has the electability and momentum to keep going.
This race is over, and whether Hillary likes it or not, Obama will defeat both her in the primaries and McCain in the general election. Hillary has proven herself to be a candidate of negativity and has played a very divisive role in this election. And the fact that some of the "Best Political Teams" out there think those voters are actually going to vote McCain in November instead of Obama have some screws loose. McCain is a cookie... This election is set up for the dems to win and Obama will be the victor.

[Machu505]

64% to 29%? Not as bad as I'd thought it would be.

[driftsandpulls]

Wow this thread was the most dead pimary thread yet on the day of. The media is making a bit too much of a deal out of this.
Thank God, someone has some sense.
I almost don't even want to talk about this primary just because it's a joke.

[loveisdead]

Thank God, someone has some sense.
I almost don't even want to talk about this primary just because it's a joke.
I think that's most people's feelings. That's why the thread was probably so dead. We knew it would be a blow out, and it doesn't matter. I was just furious over her victory speech. But seriously now, I actually have to go out and have some drinks haha. Later.

[driftsandpulls]

I think that's most people's feelings. That's why the thread was probably so dead. We knew it would be a blow out, and it doesn't matter. I was just furious over her victory speech. But seriously now, I actually have to go out and have some drinks haha. Later.
Word Life. Obama 08!

I didn't even watch her victory speech... After hearing the words "... It's Full speed onto the White House!" After the May 6th primaries I don't want to really hear anything she says.
It's just the way she said it.
I became a little sick to my stomach.

[asmolitor]

well, like i've alluded to before, a strong "we can still actually win" victory speech helps her out in fundraising. if she can keep bringing in donations from supporters while lowering her ad costs, her $11 million personal debt can be reduced quite handily.

[saysmydoctor]

Her speech was so transparent. You'll barely dent his delegate count lead and you'll gain 40-60,000 in the popular vote. That isn't enough. That is not enough. Read the fine print. Stop dragging this out. You are just damaging your political credibility.

[Rockybehri]

god dammit, i was hoping to read some incest jokes. these posts are disappointments.

[Mitch]

god dammit, i was hoping to read some incest jokes. these posts are disappointments.

The last time I made a West Virginia incest joke, I was in twelfth grade and it was to my teacher in front of the class. It ends up, she has family in West Virginia and took much offense to the jab :shrug:.

[saysmydoctor]

-g6iopUkG84

God I hate this man.

[loveisdead]

Her speech was so transparent. You'll barely dent his delegate count lead and you'll gain 40-60,000 in the popular vote. That isn't enough. That is not enough. Read the fine print. Stop dragging this out. You are just damaging your political credibility.
Her speech was terrible and had a few points that were downright untrue. She knows she won't crack a dent in the popular or delegate vote. She's in the race because she wants to persuade the super delegates to vote for her because she won the big states. That's it.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Her speech was terrible and had a few points that were downright untrue. She knows she won't crack a dent in the popular or delegate vote. She's in the race because she wants to persuade the super delegates to vote for her because she won the big states. That's it.

She won't even do that - she's trying to save face on her way out. Purely political for two reasons. First, it gives her an argument to be on the ticket as she would be able to "complement" Sen. Obama (which many Clinton supporters would love to have - there's a movement for that). Second, by leaving on winning terms Sen. Clinton is able to set herself up to be the leader of the Democratic Party if Sen. Obama does not win the White House.

[Justin_stacy]

I wasn't attacking you, I clearly said your fellows.

Well if were being serious about this, I'd say the trend (following) mentality that is so prevalent in Obama's support, particularly in his "youth movement", is far more indicative of a drone type label then anything else we see in the current political season.

[saysmydoctor]

I guess, but at least their pseudo-informed support is directed towards a man who will actually better this country not keep us in Iraq for upwards of 100 years.

[Justin_stacy]

I guess its the difference between understanding the reality of situations and being taken in by cheap fiction.

[Pathfinder]

I guess, but at least their pseudo-informed support is directed towards a man who will actually better this country not keep us in Iraq for upwards of 100 years.

You are misguided. If he has to deliver on his promise of withdrawing troops from Iraq, they will be deployed in Iran, when a fake terror alert or a strike on Israel occurs.

He is CFR. He will do what he is told on foreign policy.

And none of you idiots seem to care that Clinton's domestic policy (bar a few differences on Tax threshold and definitions of their health-care plans) are IDENTICAL.

She would "better the country" just the same... so, why the HERO worship?

[Mitch]

Haha so apparently the delusional Clinton campaign believe that Clinton is ahead in the popular vote now.

[saysmydoctor]

You are misguided. If he has to deliver on his promise of withdrawing troops from Iraq, they will be deployed in Iran, when a fake terror alert or a strike on Israel occurs.

He is CFR. He will do what he is told on foreign policy.

And none of you idiots seem to care that Clinton's domestic policy (bar a few differences on Tax threshold and definitions of their health-care plans) are IDENTICAL.

She would "better the country" just the same... so, why the HERO worship?
You just need to die, plain and simple.

[captainhampton]

You just need to die, plain and simple.

he needs to die for correctly pointing out that Obama and Hillary's platforms are similar in a lot of ways and that there is hero worship of Obama?

[saysmydoctor]

I'm not denying the similarity portion. But it's boring hearing him repeat it over and over again and not recognizing no one cares about his radically influenced opinion. Hell, his thoughts aren't even his. He just leeches off some outlandish article/argument and perpetuates it in his speech almost verbatim. Sing a new tune.

[Pathfinder]

I'm not denying the similarity portion. But it's boring hearing him repeat it over and over again and not recognizing no one cares about his radically influenced opinion. Hell, his thoughts aren't even his. He just leeches off some outlandish article/argument and perpetuates it in his speech almost verbatim. Sing a new tune.

Right, I'm the one who is on the bandwagon... what article is this? I listened to the PA debate, and those were the only differences between the two I could find.

Your answer was childish, and as defensive as someone in a cult being challenged on their beliefs.

[driftsandpulls]

You are misguided. If he has to deliver on his promise of withdrawing troops from Iraq, they will be deployed in Iran, when a fake terror alert or a strike on Israel occurs.

He is CFR. He will do what he is told on foreign policy.

And none of you idiots seem to care that Clinton's domestic policy (bar a few differences on Tax threshold and definitions of their health-care plans) are IDENTICAL.

She would "better the country" just the same... so, why the HERO worship?

No sir, I think most of the Obama supporters realize their similarities. However, the difference is that they also realize Obama can and will run the country in a more perfect way.

[smokedsanity]

No sir, I think most of the Obama supporters realize their similarities. However, the difference is that they also realize Obama can and will run the country in a more perfect way.

Hahaha. You just used the word "perfect" when describing how someone would run the country.

[Machu505]

Right, I'm the one who is on the bandwagon... what article is this? I listened to the PA debate, and those were the only differences between the two I could find.

Your answer was childish, and as defensive as someone in a cult being challenged on their beliefs.

Your moms defensive.

[driftsandpulls]

Hahaha. You just used the word "perfect" when describing how someone would run the country.

Really?
The cool thing is, perfection is a subjective word. When I say "more perfect", I'm implying that he can improve something great.

[Justin_stacy]

I'm implying that he can improve something great.

and you come to this conclusion based on what?

[smokedsanity]

Really?
The cool thing is, perfection is a subjective word. When I say "more perfect", I'm implying that he can improve something great.

When is 'perfect' subjective? Perfection is pretty much absolute excellence. There really is no subjectivity. So, I still laugh at you even using the word when describing what a politician can do.

And would you clarify why you believe him to be a "more perfect" candidate.

[driftsandpulls]

and you come to this conclusion based on what?
Based on not only his legislative accomplishments, but his character and his will to truly, at least attempt, to turn things around for the better when he becomes president.
All of our questions will be answered soon enough.

[captainhampton]

Based on not only his legislative accomplishments, but his character and his will to truly, at least attempt, to turn things around for the better when he becomes president.
All of our questions will be answered soon enough.

legislative accomplishments?

[driftsandpulls]

legislative accomplishments?
I was waiting for someone to say something like that...

http://www.daily-chronicle.com/articles/2007/01/21/news/news02.txt

http://thisdividedstate.blogspot.com/2008/02/obamas-track-record.html

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/significance-senator-kirk-watsons-obama-flub

http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/02/obamas-experience-message-for.html

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?tab=bills&id=400629

I suggest anyone who opposes what I said about his experience read those.

[saysmydoctor]

He only reformed the campaign finance in the state of Illinois and cosponsored bills in the US Congress. What the fuck has he done? /sarcasm

[Justin_stacy]

Based on not only his legislative accomplishments, but his character and his will to truly, at least attempt, to turn things around for the better when he becomes president.
All of our questions will be answered soon enough.

See its his character, or lack of, that worries me the most. Politically speaking my issues with him for what is acceptable are few, but his arrogance, deeming nature, hidden persona, and attitude that are what trouble me the most. Could he be a decent president, no doubt, but he also has the potential to be an incompotent mess and dangerous. Given the disaster Bush has been, the thought of electing another complete unknown is worring. That said his competention isn't much better.

[AlternateToLife]

I was so pissed at my state that night.

[Machu505]

I was so pissed at my state that night.

How do you think I feel?

[AlternateToLife]

How do you think I feel?

Hahaha point taken.

[Siren Silently]

Mine didn't fare a whole lot better either.

[saysmydoctor]

Actually, more CA superdelegates have placed support behind Obama--therefore I feel California is making a turnaround.

[Siren Silently]

Well the guilt is subsiding now but the day of the primary I was pretty disapointed.

[saysmydoctor]

I'm more embarassed of my home state, New York. First they elected her. Then she won the primary. I can't wait to get out there for college and get involved in the Syracuse area organizing. I will be participating massively when I settle in.

[chris1152]

my state was actually pretty cool. the caucus i went to was in a high school gym. each side of the gym was packed with people, 3/4 being barack supporters.

too bad this state will almost positively vote mccain in the general election though =[

[saysmydoctor]

Maybe not, the democratic caucus in Kansas had a higher turnout. 36,000 votes to 19,000. This has been the general theme and should scare the republicans. For instance, Obama alone got 27,000 votes to the republicans 19,000 caucus TURNOUT. Very frightening for republicans, glorious for democrats.

[Siren Silently]

There wasn't much interest on the GOP side for people to show up for a Caucus.