Edwards Finally Endorses...

[Mitch]

Barack Obama.

Doubt it will have too much of an effect at this point, but it will still help regardless.

[saysmydoctor]

Good endorsement to receive.

[GRIFFARD]

Excerrent!
Couple months too late, but still good.

[Mitch]

The Clinton campaign has responded and said that they respect Edward's decision but last night showed that "this thing is far from over."

[Pathfinder]

Anyone wonder why every time Clinton gets a big win, these "big" endorsements happen?

I know West Virginia is not a big state, but I remember Bill Richardson came out, right after one of Clinton's better nights.

And after her PA win, the media started circulating rumours of Al Gore and Carter stepping in to get her out of the race.

[screamoutmyname]

edwards totally had my vote... then he had to go and drop out. =(

[Justin_stacy]

Nothing like waiting until its over to make your endorsement count.

Personally I think Richardson's nod had more meaning then this.

[ActionActionFan]

Edwards was definently the best candidate in the race. It's a shame he was overshadowed by Hillary and Obama

[Mitch]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/14/clinton-campaign-were-ahead-in-the-popular-vote/

[IAPAI]

The only scenario in which Clinton would appear to have the lead is a fifth scenario that only counts primary states – including both Florida and Michigan – and excludes any votes cast in the party’s caucuses. In that count, Clinton currently holds a lead of about 225,000 votes.

so it sounds like they are bullshitting about "leading the popular vote".

[Lueda Alia]

That was a nice speech.

[asmolitor]

Anyone wonder why every time Clinton gets a big win, these "big" endorsements happen?

momentum.

[asmolitor]

so it sounds like they are bullshitting about "leading the popular vote".


Four different scenarios of the total popular vote have been kicked around: (1) only counting primary contests without factoring in Florida and Michigan, whose contests were not sanctioned by the national party, (2) counting primary and caucus contests without Florida and Michigan, (3) counting primaries and contests and Florida but not Michigan, and (4) counting all primaries and caucuses including Florida and Michigan.


Clinton trails in all four counts, but by significantly different margins.

haha, incredible.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Hopefully this will increase the chances of a Obama/Edwords ticket.

[Machu505]

Hopefully this will increase the chances of a Obama/Edwords ticket.

He would be unnecessary for a win imo. He'll never accept either.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

He would be unnecessary for a win imo. He'll never accept either.
I disagree with that. He could help get barack some of those votes he having trouble getting to. He would be one of those figures that would help unite the party plus his populous message would compliment Barack's message quite well.

I'd be fine with a Obama/Webb ticket or a Obama/Biden ticket though.

[Machu505]

I disagree with that. He could help get barack some of those votes he having trouble getting to. He would be one of those figures that would help unite the party plus his populous message would compliment Barack's message quite well.

I'd be fine with a Obama/Webb ticket or a Obama/Biden ticket though.

I'm a Kathleen Sebelius dude myself. She grew up in Ohio and is white and a woman. She'd appeal to white voter and the working class while also assuring Obama Kansas and probably Ohio. Like Hillary without the Hillary.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I'm a Kathleen Sebelius dude myself. She grew up in Ohio and is white and a woman. She'd appeal to white voter and the working class while also assuring Obama Kansas and probably Ohio. Like Hillary without the Hillary.
Ha, I kinda feel the same way about Edwords. He kinda like Hilary in some respects but without any of the baggage. I'm not too familar with Sebelius so I don't really know how good of a choice she might be. She seems like a interesting choice based off of what you said. Maybe she'll end up having a cabinet position if not VP.

Also a Obama/Dodd ticket wouldn't be the worst.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Hopefully this will increase the chances of a Obama/Edwords ticket.
Shouldn't happen - he doesn't bring anything to it, plus I doubt he would accept it. In my opinion, hewould be a good cabinet member and part of his administration.

I'm a Kathleen Sebelius dude myself. She grew up in Ohio and is white and a woman. She'd appeal to white voter and the working class while also assuring Obama Kansas and probably Ohio. Like Hillary without the Hillary.
I don't know how much Kansas would be in play for the Dems, even with Sebelius being on the ticket it's a pretty red state (similar to how Kerry was hoping to pick up part of the South with Edwards in 2004 and failed horribly). And Ohio could be a stretch too. That said, I do like her and she complements Obama well.

[saysmydoctor]

Kerry never had a chance in the South due to his extreme elitism.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Aren't people making the same argument against Obama right now?

[saysmydoctor]

Aren't people making the same argument against Obama right now?
Yes, but contrary to Kerry, he has done well in the South. South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Texas, and numerous others he won. I don't remember how well Kerry did in those states primary season but general election time he did poorly, obviously.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Yes, but contrary to Kerry, he has done well in the South. South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Texas, and numerous others he won. I don't remember how well Kerry did in those states primary season but general election time he did poorly, obviously.

The primary season is different than the general election because for the most part (depending on the rules of the state) it's just Democratic voters. All that means is Sen. Obama has done well with Democratic voters in the South, which shouldn't be surprising given the demographics of many of the states. It doesn't mean that he has a great chance to win any of them in November (it's possible, but Sen. Obama shouldn't count on it), it just means that he can win the Democratic base there.

And for the record, Kerry also won Georgia, Virginia and Texas out of the ones you mentioned. However, you can't compare the two since the primary was basically over for two of them and Edwards has a home base in the Carolinas since he is from there (although South Carolina was only 45-30).

[saysmydoctor]

Truth, but this year democratic turn out was higher than republican turnout and at times, Obama's vote count was more than the entire republican primary's vote count. I'm not saying you are wrong, but the Kerry argument is a bad one because he was not popular in the South at all.

[LastPlaceRocks]

I'm also not disagreeing with you - it's a different situation and the Dems could turn some Southern states blue if things go right (Virginia, Georgia, Louisiana) - but my argument goes back to Gov. Sebelius guaranteeing Kansas. How is she going to bring a state that has two Republican Senators and has voted red for the past forty-four years over?

But I have a couple comments going back to your turnout point. One, of course the Democrats had a larger vote count since their primary mattered 10x more than the Republican one in each state. Think about the many Republicans who voted in the Democratic primary because they had more of a voice (or to satisfy Rush Limbaugh - take your pick). Simply said, it's hard to compare those two primaries up against one another.

Two, outside of increasing the black vote (which Kerry got 80% of in 2004) dramatically (which still won't guarantee a win) and getting other new voters while getting Republicans to sit out, how exactly is Sen. Obama going to win red states like Mississippi and South Carolina?

Three, what makes him more popular than Kerry in the South? He's not from there, he's an elite in the similar fashion and has not connected with blue-collar voters much in the same way that Kerry did.

[saysmydoctor]

Actually, Super Tuesday, Romney and Huckabee wee still in. And Obama's numbers are better than Kerry's in those demographics.

Sebelius is just so new--nationally.

[saysmydoctor]

I'm not sure she will. She only hit the national stage for speaking out against Bush in the natural disasters in Kansas. But I'm not aware of her other accomplishment and again she is such a new national figure. Having a duo-inexperienced ticket doesn't sound good.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Sorry I deleted my post - I figured it'd be redundant (it was "How will she help win Kansas?" for everyone else). But yeah, I totally agree with you - those are my two problems with her. If someone wants a woman so bad, go with Claire McCaskill next door - at least Missouri's winnable.

[saysmydoctor]

Know nothing about her.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Early Obama superdelegate of a swing state that has been turning blue in recent elections, only spent two years in the Senate so she isn't a part of the "Washington elite" (although it's too little experience) and a woman (which is important to some people).