Nirvana

[mwhpunk]

I've been on this site for a little while and I rarely read anything about Nirvana and i always thought they really helped out the alternative scene. I think they are pretty awesome.... what are your thoughts?

[sweetsugar]

Nirvana was an age thing for me, when I was younger, they wwere awesome, but the older I get the less I like them.

STP and Soundgarden where better bands.

[mirtizzle]

i was always more of a pumpkinhead.

nirvana was cool, but i never got into them.

[pUnkKid174]

i love em...and they really did help out with the alternative rock...they're music was great and so were the lyrics...its just too bad that kurt had to commit suicide like he did (though i have nothing to say to that for i am like that), because they would still be making great stuff like they used to...
:cry:

[dretti]

nirvana is good
but i personally think they are overrated
people make them seem better than they really are

[deadwombat]

I'm a huge Nirvana fan, but thier time has come and gone. Greatly influential on today's scene, everyone can recognize that, but they're not exactly "making music" anymore, so it will be pretty common to hear very little of them.

[mwhpunk]

i do think that they are a bit overrated but nonetheless still good

[MaybeOneDay]

I don't mind them, but I wouldn't call myself a fan.

[kevin]

Nirvana was an incredible band.

I'm reading Kurt's biography right now, it's pretty interesting.

[still_life]

Nirvana is the most overrated band of the 90's.

[deadwombat]

Nirvana is the most overrated band of the 90's.


They did change the music of the day though and were able to lead a generation out of the hair metal craze. Damn you hair bands....grrr {waves fist in air}

[still_life]

They did change the music of the day though and were able to lead a generation out of the hair metal craze. Damn you hair bands....grrr {waves fist in air}

That's really not that special. Hair/glam metal was almost dead anyway. Nirvana basically put the final nail in the coffin. And it's not like grunge really exists anymore. That style was nothing more then a trend, plus I personally prefer bands like Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, and Pearl Jam to Nirvana.

[deadwombat]

That's really not that special. Hair/glam metal was almost dead anyway. Nirvana basically put the final nail in the coffin. And it's not like grunge really exists anymore. That style was nothing more then a trend, plus I personally prefer bands like Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, and Pearl Jam to Nirvana.

Very true, Soundgarden was darker and little more hard hitting and understandable than Nirvana ever was. And Pearl Jam, I personally enjoy more as well. But come on, when it comes down between Poison and Nirvana, Kurt's voice will ring through my speakers any day.
Grunge started to make a slight comeback when Audiovent came around though, but then they went away...sad. They weren't too good, but they stood a chance at pushing down Britney Spears or Ja Rule from the top of the charts.

[takingbackrufio]

nirvana is good
but i personally think they are overrated
people make them seem better than they really are

Ditto.

....................... (filler)

[promiseofdreams]

nirvana and the smashing pumpkins are my favorite radio bands, not sure if i will go out and buy one of their cd's but i love when their songs come on the radio. 'today' is the greatest song i've ever heard on the radio.

[jgirv17]

My stance on Nirvana:

They were highly influencial and very necessary for the whole music scene during the early 90s and even today. BUT, musically, the only good thing to come out of them was Dave Grohl.

[Albino_Virgin]

We're they influencial? Absolutly. Are they extremly overrated, definatly.

[Lueda Alia]

I've never liked them.

[xnotedgex]

many of the bands everyone here listens to were probably heavily influenced by listening to nirvana...overrated? you people don't know what you're talking about....they're the most influential band of the 90's...they changed the direction of popular music

[pUnkKid174]

many of the bands everyone here listens to were probably heavily influenced by listening to nirvana...overrated? you people don't know what you're talking about....they're the most influential band of the 90's...they changed the direction of popular music
yes...you are right...

[deadwombat]

I'm curious as to everyone's opinion, did Nirvana have a greater impact during their day or has Dave Grohl without Nirvana had a greater impact on today's music?

Personally I have to say Dave Grohl away from Nirvana has impacted music more than Nirvana's bright but brief brush with fame. Dave made music fun again after the death of Kurt.

[kevin]

I think pitchforkmedia perfectly described Nirvana:

Well, maybe they don't. With all the facts laid out, Nirvana begins to look much more like a plain old punk band that happened to exist at the heart of a cultural movement they wanted nothing to do with. Their influences-- not the classic rock roots of their Seattle brethren, but 70s post-punk and 80s college rock-- spoke to this categorization. Approximating Nirvana's sound with the time-honored [band] + [band] = [band] equation leads you to such dazzling dream-sums as Buzzcocks meets Sonic Youth, Vaselines meets Melvins, or Pixies meets Raincoats. Sure, there will always be those who insist that Nevermind was more of cultural import than musical, but they will also be full of shit: Nirvana are, a decade later, still regarded as the greatest and most legendary band of the 1990s. This band proved to a whole new generation that technical prowess has no bearing on quality, inspired their fans to seek out the music that slipped beneath the commercial radar, and then had the balls to be ridiculously, unthinkably fucking brilliant. Anyone who hates this record today is just trying to be cool, and needs to be trying harder.

[pUnkKid174]

I think pitchforkmedia perfectly described Nirvana...:
yes he did...that was great, how did you think up of something that smart to say eh?

[still_life]

many of the bands everyone here listens to were probably heavily influenced by listening to nirvana...overrated? you people don't know what you're talking about....they're the most influential band of the 90's...they changed the direction of popular music

That's so incorrect.

[sockkaction]

bad prog has had a much bigger influence on popular music than nirvana ever will.

[kevin]

That's so incorrect.

Instead of saying it's incorrect you should provide something to back up your opinion. Posts like that are stupid. Nothing is achieved by simply stating that.

Sure you may think Nirvana is overrated, but you can't deny their important role on music and society. They practically made it cool to be a loser.

Now, let's get to the facts:

-They helped break independent music into the mainstream, and like xnotedgex said, they helped changed the direction of mainstream music. After Nirvana, alt/hardrock took over and basically picked up where Kurt and Nirvana left off.
-Nirvana did not pioneer grunge. It was revolutionized by Mudhoney, the Melvins, and Soundgarden before Nirvana even played their first show.
-They were influenced by these bands along with Black Sabbath and The Stooges but blended it with more of a punk style.
-Kurt Cobain was a great song writer, and wrote some of the best songs of the 90's.
-They have influenced nearly every hardrock band since and sparked the post-grunge era of bands like Green Day and the Offspring.
-Nirvana has did more for music in the 90s than any other band. Don't try and say they are overrated.

And to the guy who said Dave has impacted music more than Kurt: You're a fool. Dave makes sugar-coated power pop. He is incredibly talented but doesn't use his creativity in the right way. Plus, without Nirvana or Kurt Cobain the Foo Fighters wouldn't even exist. I can't believe I'm having this argument.

Plus, all of you guys say Nirvana is overrated but fail to support your opinion. How are they overrated?

[deadwombat]

Alrighty, I never said that Kurt wasn't an amazing musician, but I did say that Dave made music happy. The grunge scene depressed a lot of youth, and Dave grew tired of that. Kurt was a genius, but thanks to his apparent suicide a lot of kids grew disillusioned and Kurt abandoned them. Dave stepped up as a leader in rock music from that moment forth. I'd say that the Foo Fighters, "candy coated pop" or not, had an outstanding impact on music and continue to be a force in today's rock scene.
Nirvana did launch Dave, everyone knows that. But Dave knew what to do with that popularity that came from being "Nirvana", for that I hold him in a higher regard than Kurt.

[still_life]

You need to get a clue and realize that it's 2004. Nirvana hasn't been a band for what's going on 10 years. They don't have an impact anymore. All they did was lead the grunge trend for the mainstream. That's all grunge was, a music trend. It's better than the previous trend, hair/glam metal, but it was just a music trend that MTV jumped all over, and they used Nirvana as the front runner when there were clearly better bands out there. Kurt Cocaine wrote a few good songs, and was an average at best guitar player. Dave Grohl really was the most talented member. And no, they're not the most important band on the 90's. I would put Rage Against The Machine above them. They weren't the first to mix rap with heavier rock, but they did it with political awareness. And rap-metal is a trend that lasted far longer than grunge did (it's still not dead), and RATM was the top band. You can't say Korn was, because they led the nu-metal genre. Nirvana is highly overrated.

[pUnkKid174]

You need to get a clue and realize that it's 2004. Nirvana hasn't been a band for what's going on 10 years. They don't have an impact anymore. All they did was lead the grunge trend for the mainstream. That's all grunge was, a music trend. It's better than the previous trend, hair/glam metal, but it was just a music trend that MTV jumped all over, and they used Nirvana as the front runner when there were clearly better bands out there. Kurt Cocaine wrote a few good songs, and was an average at best guitar player. Dave Grohl really was the most talented member. And no, they're not the most important band on the 90's. I would put Rage Against The Machine above them. They weren't the first to mix rap with heavier rock, but they did it with political awareness. And rap-metal is a trend that lasted far longer than grunge did (it's still not dead), and RATM was the top band. You can't say Korn was, because they led the nu-metal genre. Nirvana is highly overrated.
can you not spell Kurt Cobain right eh? or was that some kind of joke...you fucker thats not funny at all, dont even do something like that again...

[still_life]

Wow, you're a quick one. I don't have a lot of respect for someone that commits suicide. Especially when they bring it on themselves with years of substance abuse.

[kevin]

Dave stepped up as a leader in rock music from that moment forth. I'd say that the Foo Fighters, "candy coated pop" or not, had an outstanding impact on music and continue to be a force in today's rock scene.

They're one of the best mainstream rock bands but really aren't all that important or influential. If the Foo Fighters broke up today, it wouldn't really effect music that much. What rock scene are you reffering to anyways?

You need to get a clue and realize that it's 2004. Nirvana hasn't been a band for what's going on 10 years. They don't have an impact anymore. All they did was lead the grunge trend for the mainstream. That's all grunge was, a music trend. It's better than the previous trend, hair/glam metal, but it was just a music trend that MTV jumped all over, and they used Nirvana as the front runner when there were clearly better bands out there. Kurt Cocaine wrote a few good songs, and was an average at best guitar player. Dave Grohl really was the most talented member. And no, they're not the most important band on the 90's. I would put Rage Against The Machine above them. They weren't the first to mix rap with heavier rock, but they did it with political awareness. And rap-metal is a trend that lasted far longer than grunge did (it's still not dead), and RATM was the top band. You can't say Korn was, because they led the nu-metal genre. Nirvana is highly overrated.

I'm pretty sure I was aware that it's not 2003 anymore. Thanks though.

Like I said before, Nirvana's heavy mainstream success and influence sparked the post-grunge movement with bands like Greenday and the Offspring, who have in return influenced many of the bands making music today.

Also, nearly every hard-rock band making music today is still heavily influenced by Nirvana. Just look at all the latest Puddle Of Mudd video. It's quite clear that their frontman wants to be Kurt Cobain. Plus, Fred Durst recently got a tatoo of Kurt on his chest, to comemorate his legacy and influence on rock and mainstream music. And you say they still don't have influence on mainstream rock? That's stupid.

They definately have an impact. I know a ton of teenagers who have gotten into independent music via Nirvana, myself being one of them.

See, Kurt has been an icon for hopeless teenagers everywhere. He has proven that a near-homeless and unsuccessful person like himself can have an influence on music and society.

Rage has definately influenced a lot of bands, but doesn't come close to the cultural and musical influence Nirvana has had.

[kevin]

Wow, you're a quick one. I don't have a lot of respect for someone that commits suicide. Especially when they bring it on themselves with years of substance abuse.

Do you know anything about Kurt's early childhood or why it led to his substance abuse? You should try and understand people with these type of depression and emotional problems instead of condemning them.

[still_life]

Like I said before, Nirvana's heavy mainstream success and influence sparked the post-grunge movement with bands like Greenday and the Offspring, who have in return influenced many of the bands making music today.

Also, nearly every hard-rock band making music today is still heavily influenced by Nirvana. Just look at all the latest Puddle Of Mudd video. It's quite clear that their frontman wants to be Kurt Cobain. Plus, Fred Durst recently got a tatoo of Kurt on his chest, to comemorate his legacy and influence on rock and mainstream music. And you say they still don't have influence on mainstream rock? That's stupid.

They definately have an impact. I know a ton of teenagers who have gotten into independent music via Nirvana, myself being one of them.

See, Kurt has been an icon for hopeless teenagers everywhere. He has proven that a near-homeless and unsuccessful person like himself can have an influence on music and society.

Rage has definately influenced a lot of bands, but doesn't come close to the cultural and musical influence Nirvana has had.

Post-grunge movement with Green Day and The Offspring? How? I'm pretty sure both of those bands (who just play a variation of pop-punk) were around before Nirvana hit it big.

I wouldn't bother watching TV to see a Puddle Of Mudd video, but I'm well aware of how he wants to be Kurt. I'm sure there are still some Nirvana influenced bands in mainstream rock, but what's mainstream rock have to do with what I listen to? Someone earlier said they influenced many bands people here listen to, but that is not true for me. I even highly doubt a band like Thursday would care about Nirvana. For the majority of music people here like, Nirvana isn't important at all.

[still_life]

Bad childhood or not, when they grow up they're still independent people that can make their own choices.

[pUnkKid174]

Bad childhood or not, when they grow up they're still independent people that can make their own choices.
you need to read about his childhood because thats how he ended up like he was...and even though people grow up they're not always independent if they were put in kurt's position
Wow, you're a quick one. I don't have a lot of respect for someone that commits suicide. Especially when they bring it on themselves with years of substance abuse.
then you have no respect for me...and what led him to that substance abuse was from his childhood...and i know that you know nothing of his life except for maybe that he committed suicide and that he led nirvana...just get a life and learn something about him

[kevin]

Post-grunge movement with Green Day and The Offspring? How? I'm pretty sure both of those bands (who just play a variation of pop-punk) were around before Nirvana hit it big.

I wouldn't bother watching TV to see a Puddle Of Mudd video, but I'm well aware of how he wants to be Kurt. I'm sure there are still some Nirvana influenced bands in mainstream rock, but what's mainstream rock have to do with what I listen to? Someone earlier said they influenced many bands people here listen to, but that is not true for me. I even highly doubt a band like Thursday would care about Nirvana. For the majority of music people here like, Nirvana isn't important at all.

Post-grunge was after the grunge movement, which took a lot of influence from band's like Nirvana and Mudhoney but didn't necessarily carry over all aspects of the style.

And yes, Nirvana was making music before both Green Day and the Offspring. They formed in the 80's and released their first album in 1989.

Green Day's first was released in 1994; the Offspring's in 1993.

It has nothing to do with what you listen. But you were stating how Rage has influenced all of these rap-rock bands, which also most likely don't have anything to do with what you lis ten to. I was just giving a paralell.

[kevin]

Bad childhood or not, when they grow up they're still independent people that can make their own choices.

See, his earlier childhood and parent's divorce gave him a lot of emotional problems. He was homeless 5 times, and after the age of nine lived in close to thirty different homes. He grew up without a sense of family and feared that all close to him would abandon him like his parents. Without a parental figure he lost track of priorities and began experimenting with drugs. One led to the other and eventually Kurt was doing heroin.

I suggest you read about his life before you make any other assumptions.

[pUnkKid174]

See, his earlier childhood and parent's divorce gave him a lot of emotional problems. He was homeless 5 times, and after the age of nine lived in close to thirty different homes. He grew up without a sense of family and feared that all close to him would abandon him like his parents. Without a parental figure he lost track of priorities and began experimenting with drugs. One led to the other and eventually Kurt was doing heroin.

I suggest you read about his life before you make any other assumptions.
thank you for saying that...

[pUnkKid174]

people like still_life just need to go on and quit posting useless posts when they have no idea what they are taling about...

[still_life]

No, that's not how it goes

The Offspring - 1985
Nirvana - 1987
Green Day - 1988

And like I said, those two bands had music out before Nirvana hit it big (1991).

You need to understand that I don't care about his childhood. He didn't have a parent figure so he went to heroin? Give me a break. He could have done so many other things to help himself. I don't need to waste my time researching someone that had a mediocre voice/guitar playing style and decent lyrics. I'll stick to better stuff.

[pUnkKid174]

No, that's not how it goes

The Offspring - 1985
Nirvana - 1987
Green Day - 1988

And like I said, those two bands had music out before Nirvana hit it big (1991).

You need to understand that I don't care about his childhood. He didn't have a parent figure so he went to heroin? Give me a break. He could have done so many other things to help himself. I don't need to waste my time researching someone that had a mediocre voice/guitar playing style and decent lyrics. I'll stick to better stuff.
dude, you better shut the fuck up...you dont need to insult him any longer...go on with your pity problems somewhere else...because kurt cobain doesnt deserve that kind of treatment even though he ceases to live, and i dont want to hear about it anymore...
and he wrote some of the best lyrics ever and he had an extremely good voice, and you still obviously cant respect anything since you cant respect music like everyone else...and if you want to stick to better stuff, then you can stick to them because they are damn better than you are right now...

[pUnkKid174]

seriously

[MaybeOneDay]

No, that's not how it goes

The Offspring - 1985
Nirvana - 1987
Green Day - 1988

And like I said, those two bands had music out before Nirvana hit it big (1991).

You need to understand that I don't care about his childhood. He didn't have a parent figure so he went to heroin? Give me a break. He could have done so many other things to help himself. I don't need to waste my time researching someone that had a mediocre voice/guitar playing style and decent lyrics. I'll stick to better stuff.

I can't help but agree.

[kevin]

'Nevermind' was released before either of those bands put out a mainstream album. And what I was trying to say was that Nevermind and other Nirvana stuff greatly influenced those bands to keep their punk roots and to go in a similar direction once they released mainstream music. Ultimately, they proved that a band with punk influence could successfully break into MTV and the mainstream without changing their sound. Which I'm sure enspired other punk/alt-rock bands to do the same thing. I was in no way tryin to say that it caused the formation of either band or the distinct sound that they play.

[still_life]

'Nevermind' was released before either of those bands put out a mainstream album. And what I was trying to say was that Nevermind and other Nirvana stuff greatly influenced those bands to keep their punk roots and to go in a similar direction once they released mainstream music. Ultimately, they proved that a band with punk influence could successfully break into MTV and the mainstream without changing their sound. Which I'm sure enspired other punk/alt-rock bands to do the same thing. I was in no way tryin to say that it caused the formation of either band or the distinct sound that they play.

That's all your speculation and I don't accept it. I doubt Green Day were thinking, "Hmm, since Nirvana got big, I don't think we'll have to change our sound". That's all speculation with no proof behind it.

[kevin]

Neither of us can convince the other, so let's just stop now.

[Lueda Alia]

many of the bands everyone here listens to were probably heavily influenced by listening to nirvana...overrated? you people don't know what you're talking about....they're the most influential band of the 90's...they changed the direction of popular music

overrated doesn't necessarily mean BAD.

[deadwombat]

That's all your speculation and I don't accept it. I doubt Green Day were thinking, "Hmm, since Nirvana got big, I don't think we'll have to change our sound". That's all speculation with no proof behind it.

I have to agree with you on that one, Green Day and Nirvana were two totally different bands taking influence from two totally different regions and two totally different preferences in punk in the first place.
Where Green Day proved themselves in CBGBs, Nirvana was playing the Seattle scene hanging out with Mudhoney and the like. I wouldn't even put Nirvana and Green Day in the same category, if anything Dookie was the anti-Nevermind when it was released.
Disc about masterbation(for arguments sake, the cd had other themes, I know) versus a disc about angst of being a youth.

[aurora]

I didn't read this whole thread... just so no one yells at me for possibly repeating something.

I love Nirvana. I love Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, ect. as well. On a somewhat related note: my best friend got me the most marvelous drawing of Kurt for Christmas to hang on my wall ... :)

[pUnkKid174]

I love Nirvana. I love Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, ect. as well. On a somewhat related note: my best friend got me the most marvelous drawing of Kurt for Christmas to hang on my wall ... :)
that'd be neat if i had a drawing of him on my walls...it'll never happen though...

[aurora]

that'd be neat if i had a drawing of him on my walls...it'll never happen though...

I also have this painting of Jimi Hendrix that my Dad did when he was in college, and miscellaneous framed prints... I love my room :D

[40oz to freedom]

i love nirvana but i don't think they really influenced the bands u see on t.v that much i think green day did more than nirvana

[RefusedsXe]

Not bad, not good...Most Overrated band ever, in my opinion.

[40oz to freedom]

Not bad, not good...Most Overrated band ever, in my opinion.
now can someone tell me what makes them overrated?

[alias bean]

they really are overrated, i'm not saying there not good but very very overrated.

[xnotedgex]

You need to get a clue and realize that it's 2004. Nirvana hasn't been a band for what's going on 10 years. They don't have an impact anymore. All they did was lead the grunge trend for the mainstream. That's all grunge was, a music trend. It's better than the previous trend, hair/glam metal, but it was just a music trend that MTV jumped all over, and they used Nirvana as the front runner when there were clearly better bands out there. Kurt Cocaine wrote a few good songs, and was an average at best guitar player. Dave Grohl really was the most talented member. And no, they're not the most important band on the 90's. I would put Rage Against The Machine above them. They weren't the first to mix rap with heavier rock, but they did it with political awareness. And rap-metal is a trend that lasted far longer than grunge did (it's still not dead), and RATM was the top band. You can't say Korn was, because they led the nu-metal genre. Nirvana is highly overrated.

ooh, nirvana hasn't been a band for 10 years...big fuckin deal...the doors (well the real doors) haven't been together for decades...the clash haven't been a band for 15-20 years...they still have an impact, and like it or not, nirvana's impact is just as great....rage against the machine has inspired who to write music...which artists of any importance have been inspired by rage against the machine?...nirvana's greatness stems not only from the depth of the lyrics but from their influence...to deny their influence is to show how completely ignorant you are of the early-mid 90's music scene...i guess as most of the people here were too young to have experienced nirvana in their prime (i myself was only in middle school but i worshipped them along with pearl jam and soundgarden) i must accept that

and as for your comment about how people grow up and are independent to make their own choices...take a psychology class...you'll learn that severe depression is a disease...a chemical imbalance in your brain...those people don't choose to be depressed...i wanna hear you rip on elliott smith for killing himself (although murder is being brought up now in some ridiculous scenarios)...please, deny the talent of elliott smith because he killed himself, and is therefore a pathetic human being...such thoughts like those you have expressed show yourself to be the true pathetic human being

[still_life]

No, you can't fucking read. For pretty much all of the music I listen to, Nirvana doesn't have shit to do with it.

"which artists of any importance have been inspired by rage against the machine?..." From Monuments To Masses, a band on Dim Mak (a record label that has many awesome bands that you probably don't even know about) that plays post-rock with some screamy moments cite RATM as a big influence.

What great bands are highly influential by Nirvana? Puddle Of Mudd? Silverchair when they were terribly unoriginal? Give me a break. (btw, after grunge was dead Silverchair turned into an alright band)

I'm ignorant to the early-mid 90's music scene? You're ignorant to good music. I don't care about all the lame grunge bands that started because of Nirvana. A lot of that music was trash and it was just a trend. You want to talk about early-mid 90's music, then let's talk about emo. The best bands came out then. Same with metalcore. Converge and Coalesce started then. Emo influenced indie rock started with SDRE, Mineral, etc. That's good music from that time period. I don't care about your dime a dozen mainstream rock band. Fuck them.

And fuck depressed people. I don't care about them. I don't care what you try and tell me, there's no chemical imbalance that's going to tell you to take that hit of heroin instead of something more productive and unharmful, like taking a nap.

[xnotedgex]

No, you can't fucking read. For pretty much all of the music I listen to, Nirvana doesn't have shit to do with it.

"which artists of any importance have been inspired by rage against the machine?..." From Monuments To Masses, a band on Dim Mak (a record label that has many awesome bands that you probably don't even know about) that plays post-rock with some screamy moments cite RATM as a big influence.

What great bands are highly influential by Nirvana? Puddle Of Mudd? Silverchair when they were terribly unoriginal? Give me a break. (btw, after grunge was dead Silverchair turned into an alright band)

I'm ignorant to the early-mid 90's music scene? You're ignorant to good music. I don't care about all the lame grunge bands that started because of Nirvana. A lot of that music was trash and it was just a trend. You want to talk about early-mid 90's music, then let's talk about emo. The best bands came out then. Same with metalcore. Converge and Coalesce started then. Emo influenced indie rock started with SDRE, Mineral, etc. That's good music from that time period. I don't care about your dime a dozen mainstream rock band. Fuck them.

And fuck depressed people. I don't care about them. I don't care what you try and tell me, there's no chemical imbalance that's going to tell you to take that hit of heroin instead of something more productive and unharmful, like taking a nap.

there's nothing worse than a fucking elitist who doesn't know what he's talking about....first of all, learn the roots of 'emo'...second of all..when i said, artists of any importance, why do you cite an obscure band on a shitty label like dimmak who's lone saviors are pretty girls make graves and dance disaster movement....third of all, metalcore started with earth crisis, integrity...converge??? coalesce??? give me a fuckin break...if you're gonna name drop at least name drop the right fuckin bands

next...you show your ignorance on the influence of nirvana when you say they only influenced other grunge bands....im sure you're not aware of this but neil young wrote a song dedicated to kurt called 'sleeps with angels'....how bout r.e.m. the song 'let me in' was a tribute to kurt...here's a list of some bands that have covered nirvana...if you'd like, provide us a list of rage against the machine covers to prove how much more influential they were: duran duran, melvins, mr. bungle, offspring, pansy division, patti smith, pedro the lion, pennywise, phish, placebo, rage against the machine (ouch), sonic youth (please, deny their influence too, i'd love to hear that argument), they might be giants, violent femmes...im sure there's hundreds of local bands who have all done their covers as well (good or bad)

finally, you know nothing of the music i listen, nor the level of knowledge of music that i possess ( far beyond yours it appears)...to insult such with a false foundation like 'nirvana only influenced other grunge bands' and 'a record label that has many awesome bands that you probably don't know about' is insulting to yourself, not me

[still_life]

What, you can't fucking read or understand simple words? I didn't say any of those bands started those genres (except for the SDRE and Mineral comment). It's just that they're some of the best bands to ever play that music and they all were formed in the early 90's. And you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. Metalcore started with DRI, Cro-Mags, Sick Of It All, Stormtroopers Of Death, etc. Not fucking Earth Crisis.

From Monuments To Masses is only obscure if you don't listen to underground music. Dim Mak is not a shitty label. You have terrible taste. That label has had much much better bands than PGMG and DDM. Envy (try naming a better emo band from Japan, you won't be able to), Panthers, Cross My Heart, and This Machine Kills put those two to shame.

Wow, Neil Young and R.E.M., two established acts that pre-date Nirvana, covered Nirvana songs. Whoopity-fucking-doo. When you talk about influences, you're talking about bands that influence newer bands to either be in a band or create a similar sound. I don't think R.E.M. owes a damn thing to Nirvana. Just because someone covers a band's song, it doesn't mean that they're an influence. Ever hear of covering a song because you like it? To say that all those artists you listed are influenced by Nirvana because they may have covered a Nirvana song live is a crock of shit and blatant display of stupidity.

Give me a break, I will destroy you in talking about music. I listen to every kind of hardcore, most punk, every type of metal, indie rock, post rock, trip-hop, indie hip-hop, etc. Don't try me. You're so wrapped up with Nirvana. They did not do hardly anything for the bands I like.

[pUnkKid174]

What, you can't fucking read or understand simple words? I didn't say any of those bands started those genres (except for the SDRE and Mineral comment). It's just that they're some of the best bands to ever play that music and they all were formed in the early 90's. And you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. Metalcore started with DRI, Cro-Mags, Sick Of It All, Stormtroopers Of Death, etc. Not fucking Earth Crisis.

From Monuments To Masses is only obscure if you don't listen to underground music. Dim Mak is not a shitty label. You have terrible taste. That label has had much much better bands than PGMG and DDM. Envy (try naming a better emo band from Japan, you won't be able to), Panthers, Cross My Heart, and This Machine Kills put those two to shame.

Wow, Neil Young and R.E.M., two established acts that pre-date Nirvana, covered Nirvana songs. Whoopity-fucking-doo. When you talk about influences, you're talking about bands that influence newer bands to either be in a band or create a similar sound. I don't think R.E.M. owes a damn thing to Nirvana. Just because someone covers a band's song, it doesn't mean that they're an influence. Ever hear of covering a song because you like it? To say that all those artists you listed are influenced by Nirvana because they may have covered a Nirvana song live is a crock of shit and blatant display of stupidity.

Give me a break, I will destroy you in talking about music. I listen to every kind of hardcore, most punk, every type of metal, indie rock, post rock, trip-hop, indie hip-hop, etc. Don't try me. You're so wrapped up with Nirvana. They did not do hardly anything for the bands I like.
neat story...
why do you have to make such a big deal out of it...do you think you know more than the other does or something...give it an effing break...

[still_life]

No more comments from the retarded, please. You can leave the thread permanently if you don't want to add anything worth reading.

[blacksails001]

rock music wouldn't be what it is today if it weren't for nirvana. they're rock saviors in my opinion.

[still_life]

That's wrong. The type of music they made doesn't even exist anymore. That says a lot. And if it wasn't Nirvana that made it big, Pearl Jam or Soundgarden would have.

[xnotedgex]

What, you can't fucking read or understand simple words? I didn't say any of those bands started those genres (except for the SDRE and Mineral comment). It's just that they're some of the best bands to ever play that music and they all were formed in the early 90's. And you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. Metalcore started with DRI, Cro-Mags, Sick Of It All, Stormtroopers Of Death, etc. Not fucking Earth Crisis.

From Monuments To Masses is only obscure if you don't listen to underground music. Dim Mak is not a shitty label. You have terrible taste. That label has had much much better bands than PGMG and DDM. Envy (try naming a better emo band from Japan, you won't be able to), Panthers, Cross My Heart, and This Machine Kills put those two to shame.

Wow, Neil Young and R.E.M., two established acts that pre-date Nirvana, covered Nirvana songs. Whoopity-fucking-doo. When you talk about influences, you're talking about bands that influence newer bands to either be in a band or create a similar sound. I don't think R.E.M. owes a damn thing to Nirvana. Just because someone covers a band's song, it doesn't mean that they're an influence. Ever hear of covering a song because you like it? To say that all those artists you listed are influenced by Nirvana because they may have covered a Nirvana song live is a crock of shit and blatant display of stupidity.

Give me a break, I will destroy you in talking about music. I listen to every kind of hardcore, most punk, every type of metal, indie rock, post rock, trip-hop, indie hip-hop, etc. Don't try me. You're so wrapped up with Nirvana. They did not do hardly anything for the bands I like.

1. you don't know the difference between hardcore and metalcore (sick of it all??? dri???)
2."try naming a better emo band from Japan, you won't be able to"...you're right, I can't even name another emo band from Japan...didn't realize the emo scene was putting out so many great bands for comparison
3.cross my heart is horrible...they got dropped by the medicore deep elm...give me a break
4.SDRE and Mineral did not start any genre of music period(see DC post-hardcore scene)
5.Would bands have covered Nirvana's songs if Nirvana didn't write them? So who is responsible for the covers? Nirvana. Who influenced them to cover the songs? Nirvana.
6.When Neil Young deems you good enough to write a song about, I think your music has proved it's value.
7. Please show me anything proving how big an influence Rage Against the Machine is? (aside from a band who can't sell more than 500 records)
8.I'm not all that interested in debating someone about music when they don't know the difference between hardcore and metalcore, nor do they know the roots of 'emo'. Your claims of superior knowledge are refuted repeatedly in your preceding words.
9.Baseless arguments are exposed when you resort to namecalling and insults, which you do often.
10.I don't care what music you listen to.

[still_life]

You don't know jack shit.

1. D.R.I. is one of the very first metalcore bands, back when it was considered crossover instead of metalcore. And yes, Sick Of It All has metal elements in their music. It's not straight up hardcore.
2. That's your fault. Japan has produced many good bands in the last few years.
3. Yeah, pick one band I mentioned and call them horrible. Good job. They're still a lot better than DDM.
4. SDRE was one of the first bands to start playing indie rock music with elements of emo (Mineral perfected it). That's what I said before. DC's post hardcore scene is not the same thing you fool. That's bands like Fugazi and Nation Of Ulysses.
5-6. Blah blah blah. Don't you know what an influence is in music? Just because a band covers another band's song that they like, that doesn't mean they're an influence to them. Especially when you're talking about well established acts. The fact of the matter is that a band like Pedro The Lion would be where they are right now even if Nirvana never existed. So what if they covered their song? That means absolutely nothing about influences.
7. Oh wow, a band that couldn't sell 500 records. That band still owns Puddle Of Mudd. A list of bands that covered their songs would be useless because that proves nothing. It's common sense that RATM have had an impact on music. Tom Morello's custom pedals and original style of playing has influenced bands. The use of political lyrics in that style of music wasn't completely original (Downset, Biohazard), but they did it the best and got people politically aware.
8. First of all, I know much more about emo than you do. And the roots of emo were never even discussed in here, so I don't know why you're saying I don't know them. They were never mentioned here. And nice job hypocrite. I seen you put a Shai Hulud album in a best hardcore album thread. Shai Hulud is metalcore, so is Strongarm, the band that basically started Shai Hulud. So don't tell me I don't know the difference when you clearly don't.
9. I don't have much of a threshold of tolerance for stupidity.
10. You should, because I'm sure I have you beat in quality, quantity, and variety.

[xnotedgex]

You don't know jack shit.

1. D.R.I. is one of the very first metalcore bands, back when it was considered crossover instead of metalcore. And yes, Sick Of It All has metal elements in their music. It's not straight up hardcore.
2. That's your fault. Japan has produced many good bands in the last few years.
3. Yeah, pick one band I mentioned and call them horrible. Good job. They're still a lot better than DDM.
4. SDRE was one of the first bands to start playing indie rock music with elements of emo (Mineral perfected it). That's what I said before. DC's post hardcore scene is not the same thing you fool. That's bands like Fugazi and Nation Of Ulysses.
5-6. Blah blah blah. Don't you know what an influence is in music? Just because a band covers another band's song that they like, that doesn't mean they're an influence to them. Especially when you're talking about well established acts. The fact of the matter is that a band like Pedro The Lion would be where they are right now even if Nirvana never existed. So what if they covered their song? That means absolutely nothing about influences.
7. Oh wow, a band that couldn't sell 500 records. That band still owns Puddle Of Mudd. A list of bands that covered their songs would be useless because that proves nothing. It's common sense that RATM have had an impact on music. Tom Morello's custom pedals and original style of playing has influenced bands. The use of political lyrics in that style of music wasn't completely original (Downset, Biohazard), but they did it the best and got people politically aware.
8. First of all, I know much more about emo than you do. And the roots of emo were never even discussed in here, so I don't know why you're saying I don't know them. They were never mentioned here. And nice job hypocrite. I seen you put a Shai Hulud album in a best hardcore album thread. Shai Hulud is metalcore, so is Strongarm, the band that basically started Shai Hulud. So don't tell me I don't know the difference when you clearly don't.
9. I don't have much of a threshold of tolerance for stupidity.
10. You should, because I'm sure I have you beat in quality, quantity, and variety.

1.Same point as before, you don't know the difference between metalcore and hardcore
2.Please name some good japanese emo bands for me to check out
3.simple enough...you like shitty music, that's not my problem
4.Indie rock with elements of emo??? What the hell is that???? How does that differ from Fugazi or Rites of Spring????
5. You're vision of alternate realities is astonishing. I wish I could know what bands would have started and wouldn't have started if reality was different.
6.Why do you keep bringing up Puddle of Mudd??? When did I mention them at all?? How convenient that it's "common sense" that Rage Against the Machine was influential. It's pretty much "common sense" that Nirvana was influential as well, yet you're intent on fighting that. Please tell me what bands Tom Morello's style has influenced. You don't support your statements at all except it's "common sense".
7. How do you know me well enough to know how much I know about emo? And the roots of emo were discussed...you just disguised your misknowledge by calling it "indie rock with elements of emo".
8.Shai Hulud is metalcore...big deal...metalcore is a sub-genre of hardcore. Explain to me how Strongarm started Shai Hulud. Because they have similar styles? I'd love to hear your explanation for this.
9. What is a threshold of tolerance?
10. I'm sure you do to....great, wonderful, grand. Is your self-esteem at peak levels now?

[BanMe]

"4.Indie rock with elements of emo??? What the hell is that???? How does that differ from Fugazi or Rites of Spring????"

Listen to it, there's a big difference.

[xnotedgex]

"4.Indie rock with elements of emo??? What the hell is that???? How does that differ from Fugazi or Rites of Spring????"

Listen to it, there's a big difference.

there is not a big difference between fugazi and sdre...sorry, there just isn't...except on the intelligence level i guess...unless your talking lyrically, then no, there is not a big difference between the dc post hardcore scene and sdre

[still_life]

1. No, you don't know the difference at all. It's already been proven. You want some proof? Go to allmusic.com for D.R.I. and you'll see this "D.R.I., which stands for Dirty Rotten Imbeciles, were one of the first bands to mix hardcore with thrash metal." They were a metalcore pioneer.
2. 1000 Travels Of Jawaharlal, 1 Excuse, Forget Me Not, Minority Blues Band, Sanbon-Ashi Guitar Wolf, Exclaim, Nine Days Wonder, Awas, There Is A Light That Never Goes Out, Atomic Fireball, Tiala, Butch, Strange Over The Sun
3. Yeah, let's see your list of favorite bands. I'm sure it'll be comical.
4. Have you ever even heard anything by Fugazi except for The Argument? SDRE have never made a song that sounds anything like something from Repeater or Steady Diet Of Nothing or any of their older albums. And why are you grouping Fugazi with Rites Of Spring? Fugazi was a pioneer of post hardcore and Rites Of Spring started emo. Different bands in different scenes.
5. Quit being dumb. If Nirvana never existed, music today would not have changed much at all. Grunge might have never become popular, and maybe something like rap would have been the #1 mainstream trend then. Big deal. I don't see how an indie rock band like Pedro The Lion would have been affected by Nirvana.
6. I bring up Puddle Of Mudd because they're a band that is obviously influenced (SOUND WISE) by Nirvana. And they're terrible. Thanks Nirvana, you brought us a terrible band. You're forgetting what you're arguing about. It was never about Nirvana not being influential. It was about Nirvana influencing music people on here like. That's just not true. And I said Morello has influenced bands by the way he plays. That means he's influenced people to start playing guitar because he made sounds many didn't think were possible. There really aren't any guitar players that are out there ripping him off, because they aren't sure how to perfect that unorthodox style.
7. No, go back and read. The roots of emo were never discussed. We were talking about early-mid 90's music, not the 80's. And no, I never called emo "indie rock with elements of emo". That doesn't even make any fucking sense. I said bands like SDRE and Mineral started playing a new style of indie rock in the time period we were talking about. Seriously, you need to read more carefully and perhaps slowly.
8. The thread was titled Best Hardcore CD. That doesn't mean you can list any metalcore, grindcore, or emo, etc. album you want. Shai Hulud is metalcore. And it's pathetic that you don't know that Shai Hulud's formation basically came from Strongarm.
9. Consult a dictionary if you don't know. I can only tolerate your bullshit up to a certain point before I've had enough.
10. My self-esteem doesn't feel so great when I have a moron that thinks he knows something trying to talk to me.

[sweetsugar]

Whoever said Nirvana had brilliant lyrics, I'm sorry, their lyrics weren't that good.
Looked like Kurt randomly made up shit.
Soundgarden kicks Nirvana squarely in the ass, not to mention that
Soundgarden was around in like 88'

[still_life]

Chris Cornell is so much more talented than Kurt that it's not even funny. And yes, even Nirvana's lyrics are overrated. They were decent at best.

[BanMe]

there is not a big difference between fugazi and sdre...sorry, there just isn't...except on the intelligence level i guess...unless your talking lyrically, then no, there is not a big difference between the dc post hardcore scene and sdre

I'm going to go with still_life here and wonder how much Fugazi you've listened to.

[kevin]

This whole argument is going nowhere. Just give it up.

[Bishop]

ummm... I've only liked a couple of songs. I never really saw what was so great about them honestly. I honestly got sick of them because people treated kurt cobain like he was some kind of martyr or something. (yeah I know the whole entire "courtney killed him" ordeal)

[xnotedgex]

1. No, you don't know the difference at all. It's already been proven. You want some proof? Go to allmusic.com for D.R.I. and you'll see this "D.R.I., which stands for Dirty Rotten Imbeciles, were one of the first bands to mix hardcore with thrash metal." They were a metalcore pioneer.
2. 1000 Travels Of Jawaharlal, 1 Excuse, Forget Me Not, Minority Blues Band, Sanbon-Ashi Guitar Wolf, Exclaim, Nine Days Wonder, Awas, There Is A Light That Never Goes Out, Atomic Fireball, Tiala, Butch, Strange Over The Sun
3. Yeah, let's see your list of favorite bands. I'm sure it'll be comical.
4. Have you ever even heard anything by Fugazi except for The Argument? SDRE have never made a song that sounds anything like something from Repeater or Steady Diet Of Nothing or any of their older albums. And why are you grouping Fugazi with Rites Of Spring? Fugazi was a pioneer of post hardcore and Rites Of Spring started emo. Different bands in different scenes.
5. Quit being dumb. If Nirvana never existed, music today would not have changed much at all. Grunge might have never become popular, and maybe something like rap would have been the #1 mainstream trend then. Big deal. I don't see how an indie rock band like Pedro The Lion would have been affected by Nirvana.
6. I bring up Puddle Of Mudd because they're a band that is obviously influenced (SOUND WISE) by Nirvana. And they're terrible. Thanks Nirvana, you brought us a terrible band. You're forgetting what you're arguing about. It was never about Nirvana not being influential. It was about Nirvana influencing music people on here like. That's just not true. And I said Morello has influenced bands by the way he plays. That means he's influenced people to start playing guitar because he made sounds many didn't think were possible. There really aren't any guitar players that are out there ripping him off, because they aren't sure how to perfect that unorthodox style.
7. No, go back and read. The roots of emo were never discussed. We were talking about early-mid 90's music, not the 80's. And no, I never called emo "indie rock with elements of emo". That doesn't even make any fucking sense. I said bands like SDRE and Mineral started playing a new style of indie rock in the time period we were talking about. Seriously, you need to read more carefully and perhaps slowly.
8. The thread was titled Best Hardcore CD. That doesn't mean you can list any metalcore, grindcore, or emo, etc. album you want. Shai Hulud is metalcore. And it's pathetic that you don't know that Shai Hulud's formation basically came from Strongarm.
9. Consult a dictionary if you don't know. I can only tolerate your bullshit up to a certain point before I've had enough.
10. My self-esteem doesn't feel so great when I have a moron that thinks he knows something trying to talk to me.

1.Ok, wasn't specific...see your reference to Sick of it All as metalcore
2.Where can I hear these bands?
3.Your approval is not necessary
4.Rites of Spring were in the exact same scene as Fugazi. What, their music was raw and fast...it's the same scene, same genre
5.Your shortcomings, not mine.
6.So basically, we take your word for it that Rage Against the Machine is so influential?
7."Indie rock music with elements of emo" is a direct qoute...your whole argument stems from creating ridicoulously thin lines between genres
8.Actually, that's exactly what it means...why wouldn't you be able to list music that is commonly grouped into hardcore....or are you just that caught up in subgenres of music...does the classification of music mean that much to you? biology major i assume?
It's so convenient that you can't offer any evidence for Shai Hulud's formation being "caused" by Strongarm...wow, they play the same music, they both are from South Florida...so correct me since it's so pathetic that I don't know...tell me how it really is since you know.
9.You makeup phrases that make no sense and then tell me to look in a dictionary. Me smells a lambgoat user
10. It appears to me that I am talking to you...trying to talk to you?....does that verb make you feel superior...others are dying for your attention....your conversation is in such great demand
11.I just went back and reread your earlier posts and you seperated rap-metal from nu-metal...does it ever stop?

[aurora]

Stop The Madness!!!! You're Going In Circles!

[BanMe]

Are you trying to say that Fugazi and Rites of Spring are in the same genre because they're both from the DC scene?

[takingbackrufio]

Is this argument still going?

[still_life]

1. Sick Of It All is not 100% hardcore. You can't deny the metal in their sound. It might not be enough to call them metalcore, but it's still there.
2. You know so much, find them yourself. Use google or soulseek. I'm not taking a bunch of time to find you links. Here's one from 1000 Travels Of Jawaharlal
http://www.dayafter.cz/mp3/Day44-The%20End%20Never%20Comes.mp3
3. But it is.
4. Nice way to avoid the Fugazi/SDRE part. You obviously had no clue as to what you were talking about. And no, Fugazi and Rites Of Spring were in different scenes. Actually, Fugazi didn't start until right after RoS broke up. Rites Of Spring and Embrace started emo. Fugazi were a pioneer of post hardcore. The genres are not the same. Post hardcore isn't as aggressive and overly emotional. Quicksand has nothing in common with Moss Icon.
5. Good one, idiot.
6. Yes, they were.
7. "Indie rock with elements of emo" was a direct quote when I was talking about indie rock that is emo influenced. Seriously, learn how to fucking read. I never once said emo was that or mentioned the beginning of emo (before this current post that is).
8. No it's not. Why would someone be so damn vague on a thread? It should have been about regular hardcore CDs. Not metalcore or grind or emo or any of the other ones.
Strongarm came first, they played the same style, and they shared members with Shai Hulud.
9. Phrases that make no sense? I suppose you don't know what threshold means then, because it made clear sense. I post at lambgoat casually.
10. As if your's is.
11. Rap-metal and nu-metal are not the same thing. Even though nu-metal is more of a label to describe that whole kind of scene, everyone's been used to using it as a genre. And I don't see how bands like Deftones, Korn, Spineshank, Slipknot, etc. should be one in the same with P.O.D., Limp Bizkit, Reveille, Taproot, etc.

[sweetsugar]

Dag Nasty is cool.

[aurora]

Dag Nasty is cool.
__

[xnotedgex]

1. Sick Of It All is not 100% hardcore. You can't deny the metal in their sound. It might not be enough to call them metalcore, but it's still there.
2. You know so much, find them yourself. Use google or soulseek. I'm not taking a bunch of time to find you links. Here's one from 1000 Travels Of Jawaharlal
http://www.dayafter.cz/mp3/Day44-The%20End%20Never%20Comes.mp3
3. But it is.
4. Nice way to avoid the Fugazi/SDRE part. You obviously had no clue as to what you were talking about. And no, Fugazi and Rites Of Spring were in different scenes. Actually, Fugazi didn't start until right after RoS broke up. Rites Of Spring and Embrace started emo. Fugazi were a pioneer of post hardcore. The genres are not the same. Post hardcore isn't as aggressive and overly emotional. Quicksand has nothing in common with Moss Icon.
5. Good one, idiot.
6. Yes, they were.
7. "Indie rock with elements of emo" was a direct quote when I was talking about indie rock that is emo influenced. Seriously, learn how to fucking read. I never once said emo was that or mentioned the beginning of emo (before this current post that is).
8. No it's not. Why would someone be so damn vague on a thread? It should have been about regular hardcore CDs. Not metalcore or grind or emo or any of the other ones.
Strongarm came first, they played the same style, and they shared members with Shai Hulud.
9. Phrases that make no sense? I suppose you don't know what threshold means then, because it made clear sense. I post at lambgoat casually.
10. As if your's is.
11. Rap-metal and nu-metal are not the same thing. Even though nu-metal is more of a label to describe that whole kind of scene, everyone's been used to using it as a genre. And I don't see how bands like Deftones, Korn, Spineshank, Slipknot, etc. should be one in the same with P.O.D., Limp Bizkit, Reveille, Taproot, etc.

2.Not bad...Hot Water Music/PMFS blend...i'm not sure I would call Hot Water Music nor PMFS emo but whatever
4.Actually, who cares what band came first...are you saying when Rites of Spring broke up...that scene was over and completely new one began? does that not seem absurd to you?
6.ok, wonderful
7.i know how to "fucking read"..what you should be whining about is me putting words in your mouth...it seems you are the one who needs to learn how to read
8.how is it vague...how do you know their intention wasn't to include every subgenre of hardcore? just becuase you obsess over categorizing every minute aspect of a band's music doesn't mean others do...i still fail to see the cause and effect...ooh they cam first and they share members...i guess strongarm and shai hulud caused further seems forever to be a band too
9. the correct phrase would be either..."i don't have much tolerance" or" i don't have much of a threshold for"...you just repeat yourself by using both words
11. I fail to see how you can complain about fugazi and sdre being grouped together but then grouping deftones and slipknot or pod and limp bizkit but not korn and limp bizkit...you're classification boggles me

[still_life]

2. I don't think they sound like HWM at all, maybe PMFS. And older PMFS is definitely emo.
4. No, you misread it. Rites Of Spring started the whole emo scene, and Fugazi were right there after the break-up of RoS to start up the post hardcore scene. Two different bands in two different scenes.
7. I know you're putting words in my mouth, that's why I'm telling you to read. You try and change my points with stuff I never said.
8. Because, I've been posting on boads for years and that's how you answer the thread. If he wanted to see every damn kind of hardcore album listed, I'm sure he would have specificed. I doubt he made that thread in hopes of seeing lists full of Pig Destroyer, Birdflesh, etc. And yes you fool, Strongarm did start FSF. FSF was Strongarm + Chris Carrabba. I can't believe you don't know this.
9. Whatever.
11. This is sad, I have to get into detail about bands I was into 4 years ago.

First off, there are almost no similarities between Fugazi and SDRE. I have a hard time imagining that you've heard anything but The Argument.

Now I already said that nu-metal moreso describes a whole scene of music rather than a distinct genre. I know that Deftones and Slipknot aren't very similar. P.O.D. and Limp Bizkit both play heavy alternative music and they rap and use a DJ. They're not that different. Korn doesn't rap and they don't use a DJ. These classifications make perfect sense. The only way I can see how you can be confused is if you weren't into that kind of music at one point in your life. For anyone else that was, they'll agree.

[pUnkKid174]

this thread will go on forever if you keep making effing lists over and over...about the same thing...

[IAmCountryMusic]

they were just an overhyped horrible band

[Alex Djaferis]

they were just an overhyped horrible band

not true.

[FinchBulldog2]

11. Rap-metal and nu-metal are not the same thing. Even though nu-metal is more of a label to describe that whole kind of scene, everyone's been used to using it as a genre. And I don't see how bands like Deftones, Korn, Spineshank, Slipknot, etc. should be one in the same with P.O.D., Limp Bizkit, Reveille, Taproot, etc.
Taproot has barely any rapping. Thought I'd add that, because they are more like a down-tuned hard rock band.

[IAmCountryMusic]

not true.
your oppinion alex

[FinchBulldog2]

your oppinion alex
Calling Nirvana horrible though? Eh.

[Alex Djaferis]

your oppinion alex

opinion. Yes I know it is. To call them horrible is beyond me though

[WakingTheMisery]

your oppinion alex
i think so too...

[XmOhAwKsRgAyX]

nirvana = worste band ever

[MidniteVulture]

I think I might have liked them more had I grown up in that era, but being the age I am now it was before my time, and I am pretty indifferent to them. However, Unplugged in New York is an amazing album that everybody should own.

[last light]

nirvana = worste band ever

and you like sugarcult. you are a fucking idiot.

[are fkng dead]

overrated.

[kchubb]

most of you are too young to appreciate what they did...

[Killswitch]

I don't think Kurt Cobain killed himself, I think Courtney Love had someone kill him (He was going to divorce her, when he died, he had like 1.5 grams of heroin in his system, which would have killed him in like 5 seconds [someone gave it to him after he had died], and some guy who said Love was going to pay him to kill Cobain died 2 days later.) Nirvana was a really great band, but I don't think they would have lasted that much longer. Cobain said he never listened to their nevermind album because he didn't like it, and he wanted to make music that he liked, but couldn't. He also said that he could never write a personal song because he just wasn't that kinda person. So I think Cobain would've quit because they were going in different directions. Anyways, they were great while he was alive, and Cobain was one of my idols for a long time. R.I.P. Kurt.

[IAmCountryMusic]

Calling Nirvana horrible though? Eh.
i meant they were horrible to listen to, they had talent.

[are fkng dead]

nirvana = worste band ever
they were not the worste band ever! they were definitly the worst!!!

[are fkng dead]

apparently nirvana is a scene enough band for people to take my scene points. hahahaha

[ArTkY_]

I like Nirvana.

They are overrated however.

[EnderDove]

I like Nirvana.

They are overrated however.
Overrated as a band....maybe. But for what they did, not at all.

Its different with most people though, I love their music. Some people just dont.

[ArTkY_]

Overrated as a band....maybe. But for what they did, not at all.

Its different with most people though, I love their music. Some people just dont.
I meant as a band. I agree, what they did was awesome.