Your Favorite Album and Why?

[Kid B]

What is your favorite album of all time and why? Yes, I know that the common answer would be that you love the music on it (obviously), but there should be more reason than that. Whether it be lyrical relation, sentimental value, etc. In depth explanation would be freaking awesome. This could be a great thread if people participate.

Edit: One sentence shouldn't sum up the album that defines your music taste and the main reason why 95% of you are here.

[Ouch]

Slayer- South Of Heaven

Not only had Slayer made a classic thrash album (Reign In Blood), but they also put their insanity into a slower, more powerful form. South Of Heaven has the usual Slayer lyrics about Politics and hating god, but contains some of Tom Araya's best vocal work yet. The guitar work, despite being slower, shows some of the best work Slayer has done. Truly a classic in every sense of the word.

[Kid B]

Kid A - Radiohead

After OK Computer, Thom had that breakdown and went into a writer's block and all that. Due to that, a more complex, "block style" of writing began to take place and this was Kid A. This album delved deep into Thom's head about his denial, depression, etc and it was some of the most personal lyrics Thom has ever penned. The flow of the album is almost perfect. Even treefingers fascinates me. Everything about this album was new and fresh at the time, and still is somewhat a fresh concept of music in today's scene. This album is Radiohead at the top of their game, and this album is absolutely the best of its genre. The rhodes piano work melds together perfectly with the tone of all of the songs (that it was played in) and worked out extremely well. The experimentation with different vocal effects (the title track, the national anthem) sounds amazing.The eeriness of idioteque keeps me up at night. The lyrics of that song fit perfectly with the tone of the music, it's wonderful. The production of this album is fantastic. Listen to In Limbo and tell me that it isn't. It's almost perfect imo. There are so many other things I could say about this album. It changed the way I think about music forever. I listen to it almost every day, a lot of the time twice a day. I don't think any other album could take it's place for me.

[Kid B]

:hitself:

[micahistheballs]

The Beatles - Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band

It has the best songs.
Everything I thought I knew about you is being thrown out the window!
I thought Fake Plastic Tress was your favourite song, thought Kid A was your favourite album, both wrong now.

Is Radiohead still your favourite band or have the Beatles replaced them as well?

[Kid B]

Everything I thought I knew about you is being thrown out the window!
I thought Fake Plastic Tress was your favourite song, thought Kid A was your favourite album, both wrong now.

Is Radiohead still your favourite band or have the Beatles replaced them as well?
I was thinking the same thing.

[kwsqd]

The Beatles - Abbey Road

The entire album flows so well together (outside of Octopus's Garden), that it blows my mind every time I hear it... especially the last half of the album.

[fran.182]

blink-182 untitled........the first record i listened it introduced me to music....i feel all the songs on this record...

[Kid B]

The Beatles - Abbey Road

The entire album flows so well together (outside of Octopus's Garden), that it blows my mind every time I hear it... especially the last half of the album.
I want you and the rest is perfect. Maxwell's, Octopus and Oh! Darling all get on my nerves.

[kwsqd]

I want you and the rest is perfect. Maxwell's, Octopus and Oh! Darling all get on my nerves.
I love Maxwell's silver hammer and oh darling. I can see why you don't like Maxwell's but, I think Octopus's garden is just such a weak song. probably if you put it on a sum 41 album it would get them a grammy, but compared to the rest of the album, its not worth listening to.

[Kid B]

I love Maxwell's silver hammer and oh darling. I can see why you don't like Maxwell's but, I think Octopus's garden is just such a weak song. probably if you put it on a sum 41 album it would get them a grammy, but compared to the rest of the album, its not worth listening to.
Yeah I completely get your point. Oh darling just seems like I've heard it a thousand times for some reason. Still, my favorite beatles album and one of my favorite albums of all time.

[KatieKutthroat.]

The Beatles - Abbey Road

The entire album flows so well together (outside of Octopus's Garden), that it blows my mind every time I hear it... especially the last half of the album.

My favorite album as well.

I want you and the rest is perfect. Maxwell's, Octopus and Oh! Darling all get on my nerves.

I really like Oh! Darling, and Maxwell's Silver Hammer is a good song, but Octopus's Garden isn't the best song, still not horrible though.

[AntsInMyPants92]

taking back sunday-tell all your friends

Pretty much got me into the music i listen to today, so it means a lot.

[checkered.stars]

Taking Back Sunday- Tell All Your Friends

It basically got me into this genre and I still like it.

[ThemChains]

American Nightmare-Background Music


The soundtrack to my high school years.

[Chris Fallon]

The Beatles - Abbey Road

Contains my favorite Beatles material in their grand finale before the so-so Let It Be.

[Neo Cassady]

taking back sunday-tell all your friends

Pretty much got me into the music i listen to today, so it means a lot.

Taking Back Sunday- Tell All Your Friends

It basically got me into this genre and I still like it.



You two should get married.

And I think mine would have to be End is Forever. The Ataris were one of the first pop-punk bands I discovered after blink, and that album has a great flow to it, and some of the best songs they've ever done ("Up Up Down Down...," "Fast Times...," "How I Spent My Summer Vacation").

[El_Jeffe]

http://www.connollyco.com/discography/split_enz/frenzy.jpg

split enz - frenzy

the band solely responsible for getting me into music many years ago. music meant nothing to me before split enz, i didn't even notice it in the background, the enz were my first love of the art. this album became my favourite early on & has remained ever since. it's an album riddled with flaws & chaos, but it's often these flaws that define an art piece. passion, creativity & melody ring through. everything the enz ever did was relentlessly original, the real frantic energy & also the innocent vulnerability of the enz was probably best caught on this album, with their words engraining themselves within my mind very early on. while most people now-a-days won't ever get the crazy inner majestic wild ways of tim finn, he certainly created a fan out of me

[checkered.stars]

You two should get married.

And I think mine would have to be End is Forever. The Ataris were one of the first pop-punk bands I discovered after blink, and that album has a great flow to it, and some of the best songs they've ever done ("Up Up Down Down...," "Fast Times...," "How I Spent My Summer Vacation").
It's not my fault that I can't press the 'post reply' button rapidly. And I probably like it more anyway.

[Kid B]

http://www.connollyco.com/discography/split_enz/frenzy.jpg

split enz - frenzy

the band solely responsible for getting me into music many years ago. music meant nothing to me before split enz, i didn't even notice it in the background, the enz were my first love of the art. this album became my favourite early on & has remained ever since. it's an album riddled with flaws & chaos, but it's often these flaws that define an art piece. passion, creativity & melody ring through. everything the enz ever did was relentlessly original, the real frantic energy & also the innocent vulnerability of the enz was probably best caught on this album, with their words engraining themselves within my mind very early on. while most people now-a-days won't ever get the crazy inner majestic wild ways of tim finn, he certainly created a fan out of me
Finally, an actual explanation.

[punkfritterx37]

wow. this is hard.

Kids in the Way - Safe From The Losing Fight

i think that no matter what other kind of music i'll become interested in, this album will always have a space near and dear to my heart. it's from right at the beginning of KITW's musical career, and the lyrical content that ranges from deep spiritual maturity to simple juvenile rebellion rings completely true with my feelings and outlook on life. i can apply songs like 'scars that save', 'your knife, my back' and 'the end' directly to moments and experiences in my life and davey pelsue's voice always gives me chills. musically, i love the album and i think it represents everything that was ever amazing about Kids in the Way. not to mention everything that's ever been good (or bad) in my life, and the constant resonating belief that Christ will always be the final answer.

[liar23]

nirvana - nevermind

the best thing I've heard in my life. well, second best thing I've heard in my life; the first was when i heard my brother was moving out

[Chris Fallon]

I think Nirvana was the best thing I heard at 14, too. It's fun to see how much your tastes will evolve in the next ten years.

[notoaststereo]

Third Eye Blind - Self Titled (1997)

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It was the first album that I had ever really listened to well when I was younger. It came out when I was only 8 and I didn't really understand the subject matter at the time, but the music just clicked with me. Now eleven years later Third Eye Blind is still my favorite band and Blue and Out of Vein are also two of my favorites. The subject matter of the songs I can understand now and in some ways more than other relate to more. It has everything I believe a great rock album should have from the lyrics to the music to the production.

[11:11]

hmm...Something Corporate- Leaving Through the Window

Ever since the first time I heard "Drunk Girl", I was in love with the piano-rock band that was Something Corporate. Andrew McMahon's vocals complimented the style and sound perfectly, and the album set a new standard for me with music. It was something I compared music to when I found new bands, and it got me through the worst times of my life, and the long bus rides to school. It even provided the soundtrack to my dreams as I fell asleep because I left the cd on. It was just an all around perfect cd. It's also my inspiration for playing guitar.

2nd Place- Jason Mraz- Live at Java Joe's

[Yes. And?]

It's a toss up between My Chem's Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge and I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love.

My Chem's my favorite band and are the ones who really got me into music. I definitely wouldn't be on this site without them (I know that's a negative to some of you bastards). I feel a familiarness with these two albums that is very..comforting? I don't know how to describe it, but I've listened to these albums (and The Black Parade) so many times, they're probably the only albums where I know all or almost all the lyrics by heart. I don't think I'll ever put that much effort into other (non-My Chem lol) albums. I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love has no bad songs on it, totally solid all the way through. It also has most of the band's best lyrics, in my opinion. Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge has I'm Not Okay which is a lame song and sometimes Interlude gets on my nerves, but I feel like this album captures what My Chemical Romance really is. It's like a slightly more polished Bullets but still maintains that edge that makes the band who they are.

So even if I don't listen to them as much as I used to, these albums and this band is very dear to me AND I'LL FLAME ANYONE WHO DARES SPEAK ILL OF THEM.
:-p:boxing:

[x togepi x]

my chemical romance is not very good

[Yes. And?]

I'm not speaking to you for two weeks.

[Jumpoff]

Sublime -Sublime

There are better albums than this one, even within the same genre... hell it's not even the best Sublime album. However, it was this album that made me expand my tastes beyond Rap and RnB, so it will forever be my favorite album. The reason it got me into rock as a whole was probably because it was just extremely accessible... lyrics were not deep in any way shape or form and the music itself was really chilled out.

[Brokenhill]

Pink Floyd - The Wall

It's so unique, and while having an overall distinct mood compared to the rest of their work, the album itself has good diversity.

The writing -- Lyrically and musically are great, with Roger's inspiration and the emotion he puts into the album, and the overall meaning while seeming simple on the outside, is very complex when you read into it.

Musically -- you have some great Gilmour guitar work (His best solos IMO, both in Comfortably Numb). And it also has some of the best drum work (my favorite) in terms of matching the song moods...Nick does an awesome job. Just listening to the start of the album with the perfectly sporadic drum rolls, in In the Flesh?

Besides standing out among the other PF albums...it stands out even more for it's time period.

Also...a movie acompanies it, which is a great film and shows even further the emotional story, and even has some exclusive tracks which are fantastic.

To this day there has been nothing like it...

And I could go on...

[x togepi x]

I'm not speaking to you for two weeks.

perhaps i spoke too soon, forgetting how this one band saved you from the abomination of creed and whatever else you blog about your mom listening to really loud. i also forgot that they wrote that song referencing dawn of the dead which is in my top 10 movies ever. i was wrong and i beg for your forgiveness times fifty.

and i mean, if they're the reason you came to this poor site then they can't be bad, they must be simply immaculate.

[x togepi x]

Pink Floyd - The Wall

It's so unique, and while having an overall distinct mood compared to the rest of their work, the album itself has good diversity.

The writing -- Lyrically and musically are great, with Roger's inspiration and the emotion he puts into the album, and the overall meaning while seeming simple on the outside, is very complex when you read into it.

Musically -- you have some great Gilmour guitar work (His best solos IMO, both in Comfortably Numb). And it also has some of the best drum work (my favorite) in terms of matching the song moods...Nick does an awesome job. Just listening to the start of the album with the perfectly sporadic drum rolls, in In the Flesh?

Besides standing out among the other PF albums...it stands out even more for it's time period.

Also...a movie acompanies it, which is a great film and shows even further the emotional story, and even has some exclusive tracks which are fantastic.

To this day there has been nothing like it...

And I could go on...

do you like, actually listen to pink floyd? ugh. to say the things you just said about this album, especially the ignorant "it stands out more than the rest of the albums" leads me to believe that you don't. the wall sucks. it's mostly filler.

piper is the only worthwhile thing this band did and you never, ever hype it. you're a failure.

[Yes. And?]

perhaps i spoke too soon, forgetting how this one band saved you from the abomination of creed and whatever else you blog about your mom listening to really loud. i also forgot that they wrote that song referencing dawn of the dead which is in my top 10 movies ever. i was wrong and i beg for your forgiveness times fifty.

and i mean, if they're the reason you came to this poor site then they can't be bad, they must be simply immaculate.
I guess I spoke too soon. Oh, and I never listened to Creed, just my mom. :nono:

If you read my journal, why don't you comment? :-(

[x togepi x]

because i feel awkward commenting

[Yes. And?]

Oh. :-(

[x togepi x]

i'll try harder!

[Genuma]

AFG's online but he won't respond. I wonder why?

[versus_god]

Jesus is coming



grab a towel.

[Yes. And?]

i'll try harder!
If you have other things to do, don't worry about it. Seriously.

[x togepi x]

he's a gimmick account, that's why

[Brokenhill]

do you like, actually listen to pink floyd? ugh. to say the things you just said about this album, especially the ignorant "it stands out more than the rest of the albums" leads me to believe that you don't. the wall sucks. it's mostly filler.

piper is the only worthwhile thing this band did and you never, ever hype it. you're a failure.


I didn't say it "stands out more" I just said it stands out. All PF albums stand out...they are all different and unique.

I don't hype Piper because it's not my favorite, and there are no threads being created that are like "Which bands/songs/albums deserve their hype" or anything....and no one has asked me about the album so it's kind of hard to.

I know Piper is a great album...it's breakthrough, but it's not my favorite, so I don't talk about it too much.

[x togepi x]

If you have other things to do, don't worry about it. Seriously.

other things = getting drunk.

[Genuma]

Jesus is coming



grab a towel.
Nah, he just does it on his hands then cleans it off in the Holy Grail.

[Yes. And?]

other things = getting drunk.
Getting drunk > my journal.

[Brokenhill]

AFG's online but he won't respond. I wonder why?


AP isn't always (or usually) at the front of my mind. There's better places to be on the intranetz than here.

[Genuma]

Like where?

[Yes. And?]

Like where?
Like throwing a lemon party!

[Brokenhill]

Like where?


Gametrailers.com is a lot more entertaining. Or youtube. Or The Pink Floyd Fandom...because people on there aren't douches, even if they don't agree with my beliefs.

[Genuma]

Gametrailers.com is a lot more entertaining. Or youtube. Or The Pink Floyd Fandom...because people on their, actually aren't douches, even if they don't agree with my beliefs.
Zing!

[Genuma]

:party: jesus:party: jesus :party:

[Brokenhill]

umm, ok then?

[Genuma]

Fuck you.

[x togepi x]

I'm sorry i don't agree with a belief system that makes me a second class citizen. fuck off

[Yes. And?]

lol

[Brokenhill]

Lol.

[Genuma]

Why do you even come back to this site?

[Brokenhill]

Why do you even come back to this site?


I barely do.

[Genuma]

Why at all? No one wants you here or cares what you have to say.

[x togepi x]

no seriously AFG, i can't understand how you can like a band like Thursday who writes songs about Matthew Shepard and then turn around and say what you say about not heterosexuals knowing full well what that rhetoric does.

[Brokenhill]

Because there's still a few people to talk to. And I don't care what anyone thinks, or that no one (or mostly everyone) cares what I have to say.

Why do you and others feel the need to attack me all the time? If I don't matter just ignore me alltogether. Do you think you're all cool, you and your little 13 yr old little boy self, cussing out / making fun some kid on the internet?

[Yes. And?]

Lol.
Don't lol after me.

[x togepi x]

since you're the most homophobic person on this site, i'm calling you out until you either fucking leave or stop being homophobic.

[Yes. And?]

Stop being homophobic, afg.

[Brokenhill]

Don't lol after me.


Don't lol before me.

[Brokenhill]

since you're the most homophobic person on this site, i'm calling you out until you either fucking leave or stop being homophobic.


Actually, i'm probably not. I can almost gaurantee you there's someone else literally homophobic + more than me.

Once again, there's a difference between against homosexuality and actually being homophobic.

Regardless, I don't hate them as people, or ever talk bad about them to their face or behind their back.

[Yes. And?]

Don't lol before me.
Fail.

[absolutecrunk]

Stop being homophobic, afg.
Hahaha I thought that 'afg' was a typo and you meant to switch the first two letters.


btw my favorite album is some sweet album for irrefutable reasons or whatever. this thread isn't about that anymore.

[Shatter590]

isnt this sposed to be a discussion about albums?

[Until The Bombs]

Actually, i'm probably not. I can almost gaurantee you there's someone else literally homophobic + more than me.


Haha. As if not being potentially as terrible a person as someone else is something to be proud of.

[Brokenhill]

since you're the most homophobic person on this site, i'm calling you out until you either fucking leave or stop being homophobic.

isnt this sposed to be a discussion about albums?


Well you know how it goes...the least cared about person on this site becomes the center of attention.

Ironic, eh?

[Brokenhill]

Haha. As if not being potentially as terrible a person as someone else is something to be proud of.


Not proud of anything. I was just saying.

[Yes. And?]

:yawn:

What's your favorite album, Shatter?

[x togepi x]

Actually, i'm probably not. I can almost gaurantee you there's someone else literally homophobic + more than me.

Once again, there's a difference between against homosexuality and actually being homophobic.

Regardless, I don't hate them as people, or ever talk bad about them to their face or behind their back.

being against homosexuality is homophobic.

you can be like "whatever, it's not for me" but to say it's wrong is being homophobic and honestly, i think you could be a somewhat intelligent person if you'd just think the implications of these beliefs out to their extension.

[Genuma]

Because there's still a few people to talk to. And I don't care what anyone thinks, or that no one (or mostly everyone) cares what I have to say.

Why do you and others feel the need to attack me all the time? If I don't matter just ignore me alltogether. Do you think you're all cool, you and your little 13 yr old little boy self, cussing out / making fun some kid on the internet?
I said "fuck you" and I "cussed you out"? No one on this site talks to you, no one wants to hear what you think, you lsiten to one band and only talk about a tiny section of their work. The after all that you act like you're thier biggest fan.

[Brokenhill]

being against homosexuality is homophobic.

you can be like "whatever, it's not for me" but to say it's wrong is being homophobic and honestly, i think you could be a somewhat intelligent person if you'd just think the implications of these beliefs out to their extension.


Being afraid of homosexuals themselves is homophobia. I thought everyone knew the root meaning of phobic/phobia/etc.

Homosexuality is against my religion/faith, so therefore i'm against it. There's no point in having a faith/religion unless you're going to be 100% about it.

If homosexuality wasn't a sin, then I wouldn't care one bit.

[IWasaCamera]

The experimentation with different vocal effects (the title track, the national anthem) sounds amazing.
Great album but I thought you disliked The National Anthem. :shrug:
The Beatles - Abbey Road

Contains my favorite Beatles material in their grand finale before the so-so Let It Be.
Let It Be is amazing.


As for me, it's evidently Nick Drake's Pink Moon. In my mind the greatest singer-songwriter album of all time, Pink Moon is a chilling, sparse, and intensely relatable collection of songs. Drake's underrated writing comes off as quasi-haikus deftly dealing with death, despair, grief, melancholy, and other unsavory sentiments. He never indulges in pointlessly ornate verses and conveys his ideas in a terse, effective, and most importantly compelling manner. The sonic content on its end perfectly buttresses the lyrical messages from the twinkling piano on the title track to the final strums of an acoustic guitar on From The Morning. The flow is absolutely flawless and sees the songs operate as bridges leading one to another as opposed to mere entities bound together by a track listing. Whether it be the pensive Road or the instrumental Horn, Pink Moon hits one out of the park at every turn. Recorded in 2 nights in often no more than one take, these unadorned ditties sound oddly cinematic and wholly enthralling. Some may claim some bullshit Elliott Smith album is better and I'm glad to let them soak in their idiocy. This remarkable work is proof that a man and his trusty guitar are more than enough to create staggering, enduring music. Still the most haunting album I have ever been graced with, Pink Moon sits in a class of its own.

[x togepi x]

Being afraid of homosexuals themselves is homophobia. I thought everyone knew the root meaning of phobic/phobia/etc.

Homosexuality is against my religion/faith, so therefore i'm against it. There's no point in having a faith/religion unless you're going to be 100% about it.

If homosexuality wasn't a sin, then I wouldn't care one bit.

No, dumbass, you know that homphobia does not literally mean "afraid of homosexuals". it has a meaning within contexts, which is "anti-homosexual".

It's not against your religion, we've talked about this, and your points against it are fucking stupid.

Being human is inherently sinful, yet you don't kill yourself, so there's obviously ways around this but you won't extend them to homosexuals because you're a bigot.

[Brokenhill]

I said "fuck you" and I "cussed you out"? No one on this site talks to you, no one wants to hear what you think, you lsiten to one band and only talk about a tiny section of their work. The after all that you act like you're thier biggest fan.


Appearently they do, seing as 4 of them are right now.

And I listen to all of Floyd's material...there's only 1 album of theirs I haven't heard and that's Zabriskie Point, and that's because I can't find it.

And yea i'm going to act like a big fan, if I am one.

[Brokenhill]

No, dumbass, you know that homphobia does not literally mean "afraid of homosexuals". it has a meaning within contexts, which is "anti-homosexual".

It's not against your religion, we've talked about this, and your points against it are fucking stupid.

Being human is inherently sinful, yet you don't kill yourself, so there's obviously ways around this but you won't extend them to homosexuals because you're a bigot.


It is against my religion, you're just ignoring the fact that it is a sin, like many others in the world, because that would require a change of lifestyle, and people don't like do to that.

And they aren't "my points"...they're in the text, I didn't make them up.

[Yes. And?]

Quit AP, AFG.

[x togepi x]

It is against my religion, you're just ignoring the fact that it is a sin, like many others in the world, because that would require a change of lifestyle, and people don't like do to that.

And they aren't "my points"...they're in the text, I didn't make them up.

it doesn't require a change of lifestyle, it would involve killing a part of yourself. see that's the fucked up thing, you don't know what it's like to not be heterosexual. you act like you can just "change", and that's bullshit.

they're not in the text because the text wasn't written in english about what we call homosexuality. you refuse to acknowledge this because you're a bigot. you're no better than the people who used the bible to justify slavery in the 1800s.

[Brokenhill]

it doesn't require a change of lifestyle, it would involve killing a part of yourself. see that's the fucked up thing, you don't know what it's like to not be heterosexual. you act like you can just "change", and that's bullshit.

they're not in the text because the text wasn't written in english about what we call homosexuality. you refuse to acknowledge this because you're a bigot. you're no better than the people who used the bible to justify slavery in the 1800s.


Believe what you wish...

We'll all know the truth someday.

[ThemChains]

AFG, definite bigot. And yet, I'm the one who gets moderators on my ass.

[IWasaCamera]

hmm...Something Corporate- Leaving Through the Window

Ever since the first time I heard "Drunk Girl", I was in love with the piano-rock band that was Something Corporate. Andrew McMahon's vocals complimented the style and sound perfectly, and the album set a new standard for me with music. It was something I compared music to when I found new bands, and it got me through the worst times of my life, and the long bus rides to school. It even provided the soundtrack to my dreams as I fell asleep because I left the cd on. It was just an all around perfect cd. It's also my inspiration for playing guitar.

2nd Place- Jason Mraz- Live at Java Joe's
hahahahaha
Sublime -Sublime

There are better albums than this one, even within the same genre... hell it's not even the best Sublime album. However, it was this album that made me expand my tastes beyond Rap and RnB, so it will forever be my favorite album. The reason it got me into rock as a whole was probably because it was just extremely accessible... lyrics were not deep in any way shape or form and the music itself was really chilled out.
Did not expect this from you.

[Genuma]

No bold name = mods hating you.

[Yes. And?]

Good night, everybody. :sadangel:

[Genuma]

Appearently they do, seing as 4 of them are right now.

And I listen to all of Floyd's material...there's only 1 album of theirs I haven't heard and that's Zabriskie Point, and that's because I can't find it.

And yea i'm going to act like a big fan, if I am one.
Haha. No one is talking to you because they want to.

[ThemChains]

Zing

[x togepi x]

Believe what you wish...

We'll all know the truth someday.

let's talk about "the truth".

do you know how many times i've been dumped by girls because i'm bi and they can't handle that i've fooled around with guys? essentially every time. how about all the fights i got into in high school or how often my shit has been vandalized, how i've been attacked by dudes with knives or the psychological ramifications of not being able to be all that open with who i am because people like you?

that's the real truth here. the bible tells us that we're all sinners. you sin. you can't change that. you're fucked and according to your belief system, you need jesus. cool. so do GBLT people, and they're no worse than you. it's not YOUR place to be anti-homosexuality. you're only supposed to live your life according to the guidelines of the bible.

even if i admit that the bible says "don't be gay," which it doesn't, it still says don't do a lot of things that you do. i'm sure you covet other people's possessions. i'm sure you lie. i'm sure you judge people. you've judged me in this thread. you're definitely not humble as you preach anti-homosexual bullshit every chance you get.

the bottom line is, you're not being christian by condemning people like me because you're acting like you're not a sinner, and you are. jesus reached out to people who were obvious sinners like prostitutes, you shun them with your hateful rhetoric. this is why homophobia isn't christian. you don't accept GBLT people for what they are, you act like you're better than them and you're not following the path of your savior, who would accept people like me.

but seriously, the truth of the matter is, for all your whining and moaning that people treat you like shit, you really have no idea what the truth of this issue is. you're never going to know what it's like to not be straight and people like you are the reason people like matthew shepard get killed, because you mask your prejudices by claiming you don't hate gay people, which in turn legitimizes said prejudices and makes it harder for people like me to live out our lives the way we are.

is that seriously how you like to live?

[Brokenhill]

Haha. No one is talking to you because they want to.


Well no one has to talk to me, so why are they? Why are they if they don't want to and don't have to?

[SickOfStars]

anyone ever wonder how they get all the elastic into the bands of your socks???

[x togepi x]

Good night, everybody. :sadangel:

now you can see what i was busy with.

[Genuma]

anyone ever wonder how they get all the elastic into the bands of your socks???
Only always!

[Jumpoff]

hahahahaha

Did not expect this from you.

I listen to better music now then I did then, what can I say.

By the way, been listening to Boards of Canada - Campfire Headphase. Great album.

[Genuma]

Well no one has to talk to me, so why are they? Why are they if they don't want to and don't have to?
Becuase they want you to leave. What, do you think deep down that people here like you?

[x togepi x]

Well no one has to talk to me, so why are they? Why are they if they don't want to and don't have to?


my response to you tells you why i talk to you.

[SickOfStars]

Only always!

I think they make elastic so think that they can machine-sew it as part of the top of the socks...but I'm not sure.

[ThemChains]

ATTN: SickofStars


did you listen to that Integrity album?

[Genuma]

I think they make elastic so think that they can machine-sew it as part of the top of the socks...but I'm not sure.
Wouldn't they just sew the sock around it?

[Yes. And?]

let's talk about "the truth".

do you know how many times i've been dumped by girls because i'm bi and they can't handle that i've fooled around with guys? essentially every time. how about all the fights i got into in high school or how often my shit has been vandalized, how i've been attacked by dudes with knives or the psychological ramifications of not being able to be all that open with who i am because people like you?

that's the real truth here. the bible tells us that we're all sinners. you sin. you can't change that. you're fucked and according to your belief system, you need jesus. cool. so do GBLT people, and they're no worse than you. it's not YOUR place to be anti-homosexuality. you're only supposed to live your life according to the guidelines of the bible.

even if i admit that the bible says "don't be gay," which it doesn't, it still says don't do a lot of things that you do. i'm sure you covet other people's possessions. i'm sure you lie. i'm sure you judge people. you've judged me in this thread. you're definitely not humble as you preach anti-homosexual bullshit every chance you get.

the bottom line is, you're not being christian by condemning people like me because you're acting like you're not a sinner, and you are. jesus reached out to people who were obvious sinners like prostitutes, you shun them with your hateful rhetoric. this is why homophobia isn't christian. you don't accept GBLT people for what they are, you act like you're better than them and you're not following the path of your savior, who would accept people like me.

but seriously, the truth of the matter is, for all your whining and moaning that people treat you like shit, you really have no idea what the truth of this issue is. you're never going to know what it's like to not be straight and people like you are the reason people like matthew shepard get killed, because you mask your prejudices by claiming you don't hate gay people, which in turn legitimizes said prejudices and makes it harder for people like me to live out our lives the way we are.

is that seriously how you like to live?
Oh snap!

Nevermind my whining. :shrug:

[x togepi x]

seriously fuck him. i am friends with christians. i live with christians. they don't think i'm wrong or evil.

[SickOfStars]

ATTN: SickofStars


did you listen to that Integrity album?

I did. I started listening to it while I was driving around today, and then realized it was awful to drive around on a really nice sunny day to, so I burned it onto a CD and listened to it earlier this evening in my room through some actual speakers.

They are a lot slower/doomier than I thought they would be. I haven't wrapped my head completely around it, but I do believe I'm diggin' it.

[ThemChains]

seriously fuck him. i am friends with christians. i live with christians. they don't think i'm wrong or evil.

Let me assure you, you are both. Wrong and Evil.

I did. I started listening to it while I was driving around today, and then realized it was awful to drive around on a really nice sunny day to, so I burned it onto a CD and listened to it earlier this evening in my room through some actual speakers.

They are a lot slower/doomier than I thought they would be. I haven't wrapped my head completely around it, but I do believe I'm diggin' it.

I am glad you are at least giving it the time of day. Very worth it.

[handlikesecret]

seriously, leave the poor kid alone.

[x togepi x]

Let me assure you, you are both. Wrong and Evil.



oh dear, i know, but not for occasionally giving hand jobs.

[Genuma]

He deserves all the shit he gets.

[absolutecrunk]

the "poor kid" is 22 and is handling himself quite nicely. unless you mean AFG. but i digress...back to :popcorn:

[x togepi x]

he deserves all the shit he gets

so do you cubs fan













JK cubs cardinals nlcs 2k8. it will happen

[ThemChains]

oh dear, i know, but not for occasionally giving hand jobs.

It's not because you like it, it's because they like it.

[SickOfStars]

the "poor kid" is 22 and is handling himself quite nicely. unless you mean AFG. but i digress...back to :popcorn:

I <3 lurking too

[Genuma]

Fuck that Cubs game today. I was out all day stuck in a car driving through Southern Illinois listening to that. Kerry Wood had more good days than bad days, but when he has a bad one it's really bad.

[handlikesecret]

the "poor kid" is 22 and is handling himself quite nicely. unless you mean AFG. but i digress...back to :popcorn:
that's not the point. i don't care how "nicely" he handles himself, it gets to people. there comes a time when you just have to know when to stop.

[kwsqd]

lol this thread is e-larious.

[Yes. And?]

seriously, leave the poor kid alone.
NO. I like you, but no.

[x togepi x]

It's not because you like it, it's because they like it.

dude, handjobs from guys > hand jobs from girls. the last one i got from a girl fucking hurt and i almost cried but then i was like "i'm all man" but then i was like "wait, gender is a social construct and by aping masculinity i'm only further chaining myself into the panopticon which makes me reject who i really am". then i had to get up to go flip the minus the bear record and she got mad at me because i always flipped records when we were fooling around.

[Genuma]

How have the Cardinals been doing this year, I've honestly been paying no attention to them. Haha.

[ThemChains]

Hahahaha!













You listen to vinyl.

[IWasaCamera]

I listen to better music now then I did then, what can I say.

By the way, been listening to Boards of Canada - Campfire Headphase. Great album.
Oh, it wasn't a jab at you or anything. I just assumed your favorite would be a hip hop or r&b album.

If you haven't heard Music Has The Right To Children, get on that now. Incredible album. Even Geogaddi is very good.

[x togepi x]

that's not the point. i don't care how "nicely" he handles himself, it gets to people. there comes a time when you just have to know when to stop.

do you think people should stop talking about racism too?

seriously dude, you don't know what it's like either.

[x togepi x]

How have the Cardinals been doing this year, I've honestly been paying no attention to them. Haha.

about as well as the cubs. april was amazing, may sucked because our pitching kind of went to shit, but we're still tied for first place. and either team would be ahead in the wild card.

[Genuma]

Hahahaha!













You listen to vinyl.
Never heard of flipping CDs, you ignorant assfuckmotherbitcher?

[x togepi x]

Hahahaha!













You listen to vinyl.

i do it mostly to amuse myself. like sure, i could plug in my laptop and listen to a playlist that would last for hours but it's funny to have to be like "hold on a sec"

[absolutecrunk]

do you think people should stop talking about racism too?

seriously dude, you don't know what it's like either.
quoted for saying what i was going to say

[Brokenhill]

let's talk about "the truth".

that's the real truth here. the bible tells us that we're all sinners. you sin. you can't change that. you're fucked and according to your belief system, you need jesus. cool. so do GBLT people, and they're no worse than you. it's not YOUR place to be anti-homosexuality. you're only supposed to live your life according to the guidelines of the bible.

---

even if i admit that the bible says "don't be gay," which it doesn't, it still says don't do a lot of things that you do. i'm sure you covet other people's possessions. i'm sure you lie. i'm sure you judge people. you've judged me in this thread. you're definitely not humble as you preach anti-homosexual bullshit every chance you get.

---

but seriously, the truth of the matter is, for all your whining and moaning that people treat you like shit, you really have no idea what the truth of this issue is. you're never going to know what it's like to not be straight and people like you are the reason people like matthew shepard get killed, because you mask your prejudices by claiming you don't hate gay people, which in turn legitimizes said prejudices and makes it harder for people like me to live out our lives the way we are.


1. Yes, but there's a way to erase your sins...does that count for sins you commit after baptizm? No, but it's the motivation that God's looking for. He wants to see that you're willing to change your sinful ways to follow him, and to try your hardest not sin, even though you might sometimes.

2. I really don't lie...or at least very rarely. and no, I don't really covet peoples' things either, i'm content with what I have...I do have a lot of things that most people don't have.
And i'm not going around preaching...you guys are the ones instigating me EVERY SINGLE TIME. From the beginning, when it was Y.A? to when LFTS started doing it, and now you...

3. I'm not complaining or whining, idk where you get these kinds of things from.

[ThemChains]

Never heard of flipping CDs, you ignorant assfuckmotherbitcher?

Awesome. But don't let AFG know there is a possibility that I fuck ass.

i do it mostly to amuse myself. like sure, i could plug in my laptop and listen to a playlist that would last for hours but it's funny to have to be like "hold on a sec"

I used to collect vinyl way too much. And am now in the process of getting rid of it, to free up some space, and I have just fallen out of it.

[Yes. And?]

dude, handjobs from guys > hand jobs from girls. the last one i got from a girl fucking hurt and i almost cried but then i was like "i'm all man" but then i was like "wait, gender is a social construct and by aping masculinity i'm only further chaining myself into the panopticon which makes me reject who i really am". then i had to get up to go flip the minus the bear record and she got mad at me because i always flipped records when we were fooling around.
:lol:

[Jumpoff]

Oh, it wasn't a jab at you or anything. I just assumed your favorite would be a hip hop or r&b album.

If you haven't heard Music Has The Right To Children, get on that now. Incredible album. Even Geogaddi is very good.

I'll get on those when I get the chance.. my harddrive is shit though. Only 270mb left.


Yeah, I was actually having a hard time choosing an album. I figured I'd just pick the one that got me into rock and go the easy route..There were at least 10 albums that I wouldn't be able to pick between if I went the actual best album route.

[Genuma]

about as well as the cubs. april was amazing, may sucked because our pitching kind of went to shit, but we're still tied for first place. and either team would be ahead in the wild card.
This baseball season better pick up already. NLCS is a stalemate and the white sox are ahead in the ALCS.

[handlikesecret]

do you think people should stop talking about racism too?

seriously dude, you don't know what it's like either.
you're the one who brought it up in the first place. i can understand if he started this by making some comment, but he didn't. everyone gives him crap on anything he says. and usually what they say is completely irrelevant.

[Genuma]

Awesome. But don't let AFG know there is a possibility that I fuck ass.



I used to collect vinyl way too much. And am now in the process of getting rid of it, to free up some space, and I have just fallen out of it.
He's gonna drop your ass bible style.

[x togepi x]

1. Yes, but there's a way to erase your sins...does that count for sins you commit after baptizm? No, but it's the motivation that God's looking for. He wants to see that you're willing to change your sinful ways to follow him, and to try your hardest not sin, even though you might sometimes.

2. I really don't lie...or at least very rarely. and no, I don't really covet peoples' things either, i'm content with what I have...I do have a lot of things that most people don't have.
And i'm not going around preaching...you guys are the ones instigating me EVERY SINGLE TIME. From the beginning, when it was Y.A? to when LFTS started doing it, and now you...

3. I'm not complaining or whining, idk where you get these kinds of things from.

ah yes, you ignored everything i wrote to give stock answers that don't really apply. but seriously, you're sinning as you defend yourself by judging me. it contradicts your first part, since you, well, aren't trying not to judge me. if you were really practing what you preach you wouldn't even be in this argument to begin with.

and you started this first. when i made the Limp Wrist thread and you posted in it just to say gays can't be christian, which had nothing to do with the band or their music other than the fact that they are homosexuals. and even then, who fucking cares? we're on two sides of a culture war. it doesn't matter who starts it, it matters when it ends, and it won't end until people like you realize the error of your ways. I can't understand how you can sit here while I just told you all this horrible shit i've gone through for who i am and you be like "oh well you should change". You're fucking heartless. That's not christian. A christian would at least be like "oh wow that sucks, let me try to empathize." You're just like "well it's your fault, stop sinning".

i have a right to instigate this shit because it's a lot more important than any inane conversation we would be having about bands because it actually affects how people live their lives. if christians were persecuted, you could do the same thing.

[Brokenhill]

you're the one who brought it up in the first place. i can understand if he started this by making some comment, but he didn't. everyone gives him crap on anything he says. and usually what they say is completely irrelevant.


And i'm surprised you're the only one who catches it.

[IWasaCamera]

I'll get on those when I get the chance.. my harddrive is shit though. Only 270mb left.


Yeah, I was actually having a hard time choosing an album. I figured I'd just pick the one that got me into rock and go the easy route..There were at least 10 albums that I wouldn't be able to pick between if I went the actual best album route.
Damn. You can't free some space up by deleting a few albums? Every time I actually sort through my iTunes, I find quite a bit of material I don't care for.

I was expecting some criminally underrated rap release or something. :shrug:

[x togepi x]

you're the one who brought it up in the first place. i can understand if he started this by making some comment, but he didn't. everyone gives him crap on anything he says. and usually what they say is completely irrelevant.

a long time ago, i made a thread about a gay themed straight edge band called limp wrist. he posted in it to say gays can't be christian and other homophobic shit, with no provocation. i decided that until he stops, i'm going to keep giving him shit so that he either realizes the error of his ways or leaves the forums.

the thing is, i've actually tried helping the kid out, like i gave him reccs on how to buy a good record player so he could play his pink floyd albums. he just spews bigotry.

it might be "irrelevant" to a straight person, but you don't have to live the way people like i do. it's anything but irrelevant to me because it relates to a music scene that i'm a part of, yet can't be myself because of the attitudes of people like him.

seriously dude, read the 4 paragraph post i made at the end of page six and tell me i should be okay with him being homophobic. tell me this is an issue i should just drop. seriously do it.

[ThemChains]

a long time ago, i made a thread about a gay themed straight edge band called limp wrist. he posted in it to say gays can't be christian and other homophobic shit, with no provocation. i decided that until he stops, i'm going to keep giving him shit so that he either realizes the error of his ways or leaves the forums.

the thing is, i've actually tried helping the kid out, like i gave him reccs on how to buy a good record player so he could play his pink floyd albums. he just spews bigotry.

it might be "irrelevant" to a straight person, but you don't have to live the way people like i do. it's anything but irrelevant to me because it relates to a music scene that i'm a part of, yet can't be myself because of the attitudes of people like him.

It always baffles me that a place made for people to go when they felt like they didn't belong anywhere else would be so quick to push them away for being different. This is especially true in the "tuff" saturated hardcore scene.

[handlikesecret]

And i'm surprised you're the only one who catches it.
as am i. i just don't get it.

[x togepi x]

It always baffles me that a place made for people to go when they felt like they didn't belong anywhere else would be so quick to push them away for being different. This is especially true in the "tuff" saturated hardcore scene.

well i am from the midwest so that describes a lot of the problem.

[ThemChains]

Yea, I could see that being an issue.

[x togepi x]

as am i. i just don't get it.

i tell you what bro, when he gets a knife pulled on him for something he said on these forums, then your points about us "being too hard on him" will stand, but i know he won't. yet i have.

[Jumpoff]

Damn. You can't free some space up by deleting a few albums? Every time I actually sort through my iTunes, I find quite a bit of material I don't care for.

I was expecting some criminally underrated rap release or something. :shrug:

The Rap albums I was stuck between were probably

OC - Word... Life
Goodie Mobb - Soul Food
2Pac - Me Against the World
Nas - Illmatic
Slick Rick - Great Adventures of...
Raekwon - OB4CL
ATCQ - Midnight Marauders
The Coup - Steal This Album
Prince Paul - Prince Among Thieves
Pete Rock & CL Smooth - Mecca and the Soul Brother

and.. as I type this more are coming up. I am terrible at making decisions.

By the way, fan of Olivia Tremor Control? Listening to Dusk at Cubist Castle.. really great pop music. Also, Pink Moon is growing on me. Still don't like the title track, but the rest is pretty good..

[Brokenhill]

as am i. i just don't get it.


Indeed, indeed.

[handlikesecret]

a long time ago, i made a thread about a gay themed straight edge band called limp wrist. he posted in it to say gays can't be christian and other homophobic shit, with no provocation. i decided that until he stops, i'm going to keep giving him shit so that he either realizes the error of his ways or leaves the forums.

the thing is, i've actually tried helping the kid out, like i gave him reccs on how to buy a good record player so he could play his pink floyd albums. he just spews bigotry.

it might be "irrelevant" to a straight person, but you don't have to live the way people like i do. it's anything but irrelevant to me because it relates to a music scene that i'm a part of, yet can't be myself because of the attitudes of people like him.

seriously dude, read the 4 paragraph post i made at the end of page six and tell me i should be okay with him being homophobic. tell me this is an issue i should just drop. seriously do it.i'm not asking you to be okay with it if you don't agree with it. buy do you really think this will help him "learn the error of his ways"? yeah freakin' right. if anyone pulls something like this one ANYONE, a wall goes up immediately.

and drive him off the forums, yeah, great way to deal with it.

[ThemChains]

as am i. i just don't get it.

I don't get how, with the knowledge that has been given to you, you continue to defend him.

[x togepi x]

i'm not asking you to be okay with it if you don't agree with it. buy do you really think this will help him "learn the error of his ways"? yeah freakin' right. if anyone pulls something like this one ANYONE, a wall goes up immediately.

and drive him off the forums, yeah, great way to deal with it.


I've tried reasoning with him and he doesn't respond at all. he just puts up his bible defense which doesn't actually address the meat of my objections to him. at least if he's gone, that's one less homophobic person i have to deal with here.

put yourself in my shoes and tell me what i should do then? i don't have the luxury of sitting around and being like "oh AFG he's so zany with his homophobia." because i have to deal with shit like this twenty four seven. it hurts seeing that bullshit posted. i'm not privileged in this respect like you are.

[Brokenhill]

i tell you what bro, when he gets a knife pulled on him for something he said on these forums, then your points about us "being too hard on him" will stand, but i know he won't. yet i have.


You don't understand that I also get messed with in different ways. Yea you have stuff done to you that's worse, but that doesn't mean that people leave me be.

And btw, i'm not judging you, or at least our definitions of judging are different. I didn't say "Togepi, you're going to hell"! All I stated was that homosexuality is a sin. That's all...

[Yes. And?]

i'm not asking you to be okay with it if you don't agree with it. buy do you really think this will help him "learn the error of his ways"? yeah freakin' right. if anyone pulls something like this one ANYONE, a wall goes up immediately.

and drive him off the forums, yeah, great way to deal with it.
But people have tried talking to him SO MANY TIMES. Nothing, not rational, logical arguments, not thought provoking stories, not anything makes him budge. How do you deal wiith someone like this other than curtly?

He's made it clear that there's no other way to deal with it.

[x togepi x]

You don't understand that I also get prosecuted in different ways. Yea you have stuff done to you that's worse, but that doesn't mean that people leave me be.

oh fuck you dude. getting people pissed off at you on a message board is not persecution. i wish i had this. i really did. if the worst thing that anyone ever did to me was call me a ***, i'd be the happiest person on the face of the planet.

And btw, i'm not judging you, or at least our definitions of judging are different. I didn't say "Togepi, you're going to hell"! All I stated was that homosexuality is a sin. That's all...

1. homosexuality is a sin
2. what is a sin is wrong
therefore, homosexuality is wrong.

so you are actually judging me.

[ThemChains]

1. homosexuality is a sin
2. what is a sin is wrong
therefore, homosexuality is wrong.

so you are actually judging me.

Logic in action. It's simple addition really.

[Brokenhill]

But people have tried talking to him SO MANY TIMES. Nothing, not rational, logical arguments, not thought provoking stories, not anything makes him budge. How do you deal wiith someone like this other than curtly?

He's made it clear that there's no other way to deal with it.


SO MANY TIMES of the same exact thing.

[SickOfStars]

can't sleep. came back. integrity album is definitely doing it for me now.

and I see things haven't cooled down at all

[Brokenhill]

oh fuck you dude. getting people pissed off at you on a message board is not persecution. i wish i had this. i really did. if the worst thing that anyone ever did to me was call me a ***, i'd be the happiest person on the face of the planet.



1. homosexuality is a sin
2. what is a sin is wrong
therefore, homosexuality is wrong.

so you are actually judging me.


I'm not talkign about on the internet.

[x togepi x]

yes, we have to repeat ourselves because you never actually address our objections. you just say WELL THE BIBLE SAYS IT. even though there are way more objections than just textual ones.

[Yes. And?]

You don't understand that I also get prosecuted in different ways. Yea you have stuff done to you that's worse, but that doesn't mean that people leave me be.

And btw, i'm not judging you, or at least our definitions of judging are different. I didn't say "Togepi, you're going to hell"! All I stated was that homosexuality is a sin. That's all...
The word is persecuted, you are not on trial. OH PLEASE. In a country where over 70% of the population believes in what you believe, where every president who's been elected has been and pretty much has to be your religion to get elected, where 'In God We Trust' is on our currency, and an over zealous faction of Christianity pretty much owns one of our major parties, don't pull that shit. That's insulting to every real minority group out there, not just LGBT people.

[x togepi x]

I'm not talkign about on the internet.

dude. back off.i'm pretty sure Yes. And? and I know way more about persecution than you will ever know. you can at least be open with yourself and not get physically attacked for it.

[handlikesecret]

But people have tried talking to him SO MANY TIMES. Nothing, not rational, logical arguments, not thought provoking stories, not anything makes him budge. How do you deal wiith someone like this other than curtly?

He's made it clear that there's no other way to deal with it.
just let it go, then. he rarely even brings it up. if it bugs you, i really am sorry you feel that way. but it's something we all have to do every day.

seriously, do you know how frustrated i get reading the personal life/politics forums? i just have to brush it aside. it's never easy to hear a totally opposite opinion, but, we can't treat everyone we disagree with like this.
if i ever offend anyone on here, i'm sorry that they take it that way, but it is never my intentions to hurt anyone or judge anyone. and i think i can say the same for AFG.

[Yes. And?]

SO MANY TIMES of the same exact thing.
And you still don't get it.

[x togepi x]

just let it go, then. he rarely even brings it up. if it bugs you, i really am sorry you feel that way. but it's something we all have to do every day.

seriously, do you know how frustrated i get reading the personal life/politics forums? i just have to brush it aside. it's never easy to hear a totally opposite opinion, but, we can't treat everyone we disagree with like this.
if i ever offend anyone on here, i'm sorry that they take it that way, but it is never my intentions to hurt anyone or judge anyone. and i think i can say the same for AFG.


You never came into my thread about gay hardcore and made it known that gays are sinners for no reason. he did. don't lump yourself in with him because that's not a place you want to be.

[IWasaCamera]

The Rap albums I was stuck between were probably

OC - Word... Life
Goodie Mobb - Soul Food
2Pac - Me Against the World
Nas - Illmatic
Slick Rick - Great Adventures of...
Raekwon - OB4CL
ATCQ - Midnight Marauders
The Coup - Steal This Album
Prince Paul - Prince Among Thieves
Pete Rock & CL Smooth - Mecca and the Soul Brother

and.. as I type this more are coming up. I am terrible at making decisions.

By the way, fan of Olivia Tremor Control? Listening to Dusk at Cubist Castle.. really great pop music. Also, Pink Moon is growing on me. Still don't like the title track, but the rest is pretty good..
I never could get into 2Pac.

They're a fun band but one I don't often come back to. As for Pink Moon, I'm just glad you gave it a listen.

[Yes. And?]

just let it go, then. he rarely even brings it up. if it bugs you, i really am sorry you feel that way. but it's something we all have to do every day.

seriously, do you know how frustrated i get reading the personal life/politics forums? i just have to brush it aside. it's never easy to hear a totally opposite opinion, but, we can't treat everyone we disagree with like this.
if i ever offend anyone on here, i'm sorry that they take it that way, but it is never my intentions to hurt anyone or judge anyone. and i think i can say the same for AFG.
It can't be let go. I don't get why people don't understand this, it's not a simple disagreement. Only one point of view can prevail, pro-gay or anti-gay. The only way we can "let it go" is people who are anti-gay drop it.

[SickOfStars]

As people can tell, I am usually not very confrontational, but:

on the subject of opposing opinions, that's one thing, HOWEVER.

Intolerance is wrong, no matter how any side of an argument decides to slice it. I think the only thing I could ever be intolerant towards is intolerance.

Unless someone's actions/beliefs/thoughts/etc are harming and/or oppressing/threatening other people, then let them be.

[ThemChains]

The Bible has built a force field around his brain that doesn't allow knowledge of tolerance or the ability to empathize with another human being to gain entrance.

[SickOfStars]

The Bible has built a force field around his brain that doesn't allow knowledge of tolerance or the ability to empathize with another human being to gain entrance.

integrity album is ruling right now

[Yes. And?]

You never came into my thread about gay hardcore and made it known that gays are sinners for no reason. he did. don't lump yourself in with him because that's not a place you want to be.
You need to listen to togepi, handlikeasecret. I like you a lot, but if you want to align yourself with AFG, we can't be cool anymore. Sorry.
:shrug:

[ThemChains]

integrity album is ruling right now

Good to hear, I will upload the rest and give you the links. Did you get Systems Overload?

[handlikesecret]

You never came into my thread about gay hardcore and made it known that gays are sinners for no reason. he did. don't lump yourself in with him because that's not a place you want to be.
if he did do that, he's made it clear that he is sorry you took it that way. but seriously, isn't this just taking it a bit far? i just feel that we should leave all that stuff in the personal life forum or in the topics that adress it. stuff like this is accomplishing nothing. and that's what i have a problem with, arguing just for the sake of arguing, when it's obvious that neither party is going to concede.

[absolutecrunk]

The word is persecuted, you are not on trial. OH PLEASE. In a country where over 70% of the population believes in what you believe, where every president who's been elected has been and pretty much has to be your religion to get elected, where 'In God We Trust' is on our currency, and an over zealous faction of Christianity pretty much owns one of our major parties, don't pull that shit. That's insulting to every real minority group out there, not just LGBT people.
Backed 100%. I'm still going to lurk, but talking about persecution without an evident basis can be taken as insulting.

:apparently we dont have a black panther fist smiley and im NOT using the Mr T one:

[SickOfStars]

Good to hear, I will upload the rest and give you the links. Did you get Systems Overload?

just To Die For. Did you upload the other one last night?

[ThemChains]

if he did do that, he's made it clear that he is sorry you took it that way. but seriously, isn't this just taking it a bit far? i just feel that we should leave all that stuff in the personal life forum or in the topics that adress it. stuff like this is accomplishing nothing. and that's what i have a problem with, arguing just for the sake of arguing, when it's obvious that neither party is going to concede.

This statement makes it clear; you have no idea what is going on here.

[ThemChains]

just To Die For. Did you upload the other one last night?

Yes

Link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?1ux4jyxz1mu


I will start uploading the rest of their discography.

[absolutecrunk]

I never could get into 2Pac. They're a fun band but one I don't often come back to.
Oh. OHHHHHH. I thought...that you thought that 2pac.....nevermind

[SickOfStars]

Yes

Link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?1ux4jyxz1mu


I will start uploading the rest of their discography.

thanks for going out on such a limb for me :-)

[x togepi x]

if he did do that, he's made it clear that he is sorry you took it that way.

no, he in fact hasn't. he's completely unrepentant. his response is "oh it's cool that i persecute you because i've been persecuted too."

but seriously, isn't this just taking it a bit far?

i don't think i'm taking it far enough actually.

i just feel that we should leave all that stuff in the personal life forum or in the topics that adress it. stuff like this is accomplishing nothing. and that's what i have a problem with, arguing just for the sake of arguing, when it's obvious that neither party is going to concede.

he's already talked about how he's pissed that everyone doesnt' like him here and posts less. maybe he'll stop posting all together.

and i'm sorry, life doesn't work that way. while you get the luxury of addressing injustice only when you feel like it, like when you enter specific forums like politics, i have to deal with this shit all the time. i can't escape it. so i'm going to keep bringing it up in "inappropriate" venues to point out how fucking awkward my existence is because of people like him. sorry if that makes you feel kind of queasy.

[IWasaCamera]

Oh. OHHHHHH. I thought...that you thought that 2pac.....nevermind
haha

[Until The Bombs]

First off, I'm in no way defending AFG.

The word is persecuted, you are not on trial. OH PLEASE. In a country where over 70% of the population believes in what you believe,

I'm curious what you mean by "believes in what you believe."

where every president who's been elected has been and pretty much has to be your religion to get elected,

Might be completely useless information. Don't know if it backs or hurts your argument as I'm pretty naive when it comes to religion.

Edit: Dammit, this was a sweet chart before I posted it.

Here's a link, breaking the presidents out by religion.

http://www.adherents.com/adh_presidents.html


where 'In God We Trust' is on our currency,
Can't really argue that. It's outdated. I don't really know if its a reflection of our current society though or just something that no one has really tried to get rid of. Politicians should be spending their time on more important things than religion on currency, but of course they seem to spend more time on even less important things anyway.

and an over zealous faction of Christianity pretty much owns one of our major parties, don't pull that shit. That's insulting to every real minority group out there, not just LGBT people.
That's only because they aren't as lazy as the rest of us. They get out and vote. And even then, it's really just the politicians manipulating these groups for their own benefit.

[SickOfStars]

come live at my house togz. I'm pretty sure you're out of the bible belt by the time you reach NH.

[Brokenhill]

The word is persecuted, you are not on trial. OH PLEASE. In a country where over 70% of the population believes in what you believe, where every president who's been elected has been and pretty much has to be your religion to get elected, where 'In God We Trust' is on our currency, and an over zealous faction of Christianity pretty much owns one of our major parties, don't pull that shit. That's insulting to every real minority group out there, not just LGBT people.


That's why I changed it to "messed with" before you said anything, because I knew I had the wrong word.

And there are sooo many different branches and divisions throughout Christianity, that 70% isn't a true 70%.

[Brokenhill]

dude. back off.i'm pretty sure Yes. And? and I know way more about persecution than you will ever know. you can at least be open with yourself and not get physically attacked for it.


If I was "open with myself" around you, you'd probably hit me.

[ThemChains]

thanks for going out on such a limb for me :-)

It ain't no thing. I am probably just going to make a thread, and throw all the links in it, so everyone can get some joy.

[x togepi x]

come live at my house togz. I'm pretty sure you're out of the bible belt by the time you reach NH.

can my cat come too?

[Genuma]

If I was "open with myself" around you, you'd probably hit me.
Haha. You are so fucking stupid.

[x togepi x]

If I was "open with myself" around you, you'd probably hit me.

no, becasue i'm not a fuck.

yeah if you trashed my sexuality i would have many unkind words, but i don't need to hit you to prove my point.

[SickOfStars]

can my cat come too?

Dude, your cat likes fugazi, of course.

besides, my cat gets lonely and can't relate to the family bichon in the way I'm sure she could to grandpa.

[x togepi x]

Dude, your cat likes fugazi, of course.

besides, my cat gets lonely and can't relate to the family bichon in the way I'm sure she could to grandpa.

dude my cat loves other cats. they'd play all the time and it would rule.

[ThemChains]

dude my cat loves other cats. they'd play all the time and it would rule.

I have a deep seeded fear of cats that will forever keep me from owning one. So I keep it strictly dog. Although, I want an iguana, one large enough to keep out of a terrarium, and walkable outdoors...so badass.

[Brokenhill]

no, becasue i'm not a fuck.

yeah if you trashed my sexuality i would have many unkind words, but i don't need to hit you to prove my point.


Don't lie...you know you would want to wack me right in the face.

[x togepi x]

my roommate used to have an iguana like that when he was a kid but it died because someone left the windows open on a summer day and it fried in the big terrarium they kept him in when they were out of the house. it sucked because that iguana ruled.

[handlikesecret]

and i'm sorry, life doesn't work that way. while you get the luxury of addressing injustice only when you feel like it, like when you enter specific forums like politics, i have to deal with this shit all the time. i can't escape it. so i'm going to keep bringing it up in "inappropriate" venues to point out how fucking awkward my existence is because of people like him. sorry if that makes you feel kind of queasy.
i just don't understand what it accomplishes.

do you think the people who think it's wrong hate them? it's just an honest question.

[SickOfStars]

I'm going to go to bed again.

ThemChains- I'll listen to more of Systems Overload tomorrow. I think I may begin to have a large fondness for this band.

everyone else - enjoy culture war (<--this should be written in coca-cola letters)

[x togepi x]

Don't lie...you know you would want to wack me right in the face.

why?

i'm not violent. the only people i've been violent with struck the first blow. if you tried to jump me for being bi, then yeah, i'd kick your fucking ass, but not before.

[Yes. And?]

First off, I'm in no way defending AFG.



I'm curious what you mean by "believes in what you believe."



Might be completely useless information. Don't know if it backs or hurts your argument as I'm pretty naive when it comes to religion.

Edit: Dammit, this was a sweet chart before I posted it.

DenominationNumber of
PresidentsPercent of
PresidentsPercent of
Current
U.S. Pop.Ratio:
% of Pres.
to % of Pop. Episcopalian 11 26.2% 1.7% 15.4 Presbyterian 10 23.8% 2.8% 5.1 Methodist 5 11.9% 8.0% 1.5 Baptist 4 9.5% 18.0% 0.5 Unitarian 4 9.5% 0.2% 47.5 Disciples of Christ 3 7.1% 0.4% 18.7 Dutch Reformed 2 4.8% 0.1% 48.0 Quaker 2 4.8% 0.7% 6.9 Congregationalist 2 2.4% 0.6% 4.0 Catholic 1 2.4% 24.5% 0.1 Jehovah's Witness 1 2.4% 0.6% 6.0 TOTAL 42 100% 57.0%


Can't really argue that. It's outdated. I don't really know if its a reflection of our current society though or just something that no one has really tried to get rid of. Politicians should be spending their time on more important things than religion on currency, but of course they seem to spend more time on even less important things anyway.I meant Christianity as a whole, not getting into all the different denominations. I'm not sure about the exact numbers, but I'm almost 100% certain it's higher than 57%.


That's only because they aren't as lazy as the rest of us. They get out and vote. And even then, it's really just the politicians manipulating these groups for their own benefit.
Politicians who are pandering to consevative christian organizations that hold sway with many voters.
That's why I changed it to "messed with" before you said anything, because I knew I had the wrong word.

And there are sooo many different branches and divisions throughout Christianity, that 70% isn't a true 70%.
Are you saying some groups aren't truly christian and some are?

[absolutecrunk]

dude my cat loves other cats. they'd play all the time and it would rule.
Well hey I have 3 other cats and as you can see by the up-to-date map below, you will be nice and safe from the rest of dumbfuckistan if you stayed with me.
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/fe/Dumbfucistan.jpg

pay no mind that we were voted most miserable city in america 2007

[Genuma]

The only pet I ever had was a hampster but it killed it self.
The end.

[Jumpoff]

This is the song that never ends,
Yes it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue singing it forever just because...

[x togepi x]

do you think the people who think it's wrong hate them? it's just an honest question.

does it matter? they're the ones that push policies that make things repressive to me. maybe they don't hate me, but the implications of said beliefs are what i have a problem with.

[Jumpoff]

Live crickets I fed to my lizards ate said lizards. No lie.

[x togepi x]

Well hey I have 3 other cats and as you can see by the up-to-date map below, you will be nice and safe from the rest of dumbfuckistan if you stayed with me.
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/fe/Dumbfucistan.jpg

pay no mind that we were voted most miserable city in america 2007

isn't it really cold up there? i guess i could warm myself by the fires of whatever riot's going on at the time.

[x togepi x]

Live crickets I fed to my lizards ate said lizards. No lie.

the same thing happened to my grandpa's tarantula.

[Genuma]

Live crickets I fed to my lizards ate said lizards. No lie.
Haha. That's awesome, did you keep the crickets?

[Yes. And?]

Is Maryland part of America? I can't tell.

[Jumpoff]

Haha. That's awesome, did you keep the crickets?

I actually have no clue what happened to them. One day, I have lizards and crickets, next day I have pieces of lizards.

[Genuma]

I actually have no clue what happened to them. One day, I have lizards and crickets, next day I have pieces of lizards.
Haha. That's weird, was it an open container?

[absolutecrunk]

isn't it really cold up there? i guess i could warm myself by the fires of whatever riot's going on at the time.
Who do you think we are, Kanada? It will likely hit 70 tomorrow and our summers can get up into the 90s (maaaaybe 100s). A lot of people south of here think we're like mystery alaska or something but we have some of the most regulated weather in the nation. snow in the winter, heat in the summer, and crime year round.

[x togepi x]

open container?

I KNOW ALL ABOUT OPEN CONTAINERS

[x togepi x]

Who do you think we are, Kanada? It will likely hit 70 tomorrow and our summers can get up into the 90s (maaaaybe 100s). A lot of people south of here think we're like mystery alaska or something but we have some of the most regulated weather in the nation. snow in the winter, heat in the summer, and crime year round.

i meant like cold in the winter...i can barely deal with the missouri winters.

[Genuma]

Oh SNAP!

[handlikesecret]

does it matter? they're the ones that push policies that make things repressive to me. maybe they don't hate me, but the implications of said beliefs are what i have a problem with.
i believe it does matter. i respect you as a person, i respect your opinion, even if i disagree with it. (which is tolerance in action.) i probably won't ever agree with you on this certain subject, but i can look past this.
with all this being said, can you still look at me in that way?

the majority of the people i know who make jokes about homosexuality -or who express an obvious hate for them- don't think it's wrong. (just something i find odd)

[absolutecrunk]

Ohhhh yeah the last 3 winters have been like an average of 20 degrees. With the windchill and at night, the coldest I think I've seen it get is like -35. My car door handle froze and snapped off when I tried to open it and it suuuucked.

[ThemChains]

i believe it does matter. i respect you as a person, i respect your opinion, even if i disagree with it. (which is tolerance in action.) i probably won't ever agree with you on this certain subject, but i can look past this.
with all this being said, can you still look at me in that way?

the majority of the people i know who make jokes about homosexuality -or who express an obvious hate for them- don't think it's wrong. (just something i find odd)

Contradiction of the century.

[Yes. And?]

Double post of the year.

[x togepi x]

i believe it does matter. i respect you as a person, i respect your opinion, even if i disagree with it. (which is tolerance in action.) i probably won't ever agree with you on this certain subject, but i can look past this.
with all this being said, can you still look at me in that way?

the majority of the people i know who make jokes about homosexuality -or who express an obvious hate for them- don't think it's wrong. (just something i find odd)

you're ignorant. the implications of your ignorance are what oppress me. you can stop being ignorant and i'd respect you as much as someone who isn't, or you can be, and i'll still think you're ignorant.

see there's a difference here. it's not all about tolerance. this is a knowledge issue. to say "homosexuality is wrong" would imply that you know what it's like to be someone who isn't straight. You don't. You lack this knowledge, and making claims like you do is ignorant. I'm not going to respect someone who does that as much as I'll respect someone who isn't being ignorant. it's not even a part of this issue. i'd look at you just like i look at someone who says it takes no talent to scream or be in a noise band.

the problem is the implications. it's not a matter of being like "oh okay i respect that you think i'm a sexual deviant" since the way you think is inherently disrespectful to me.

[x togepi x]

Ohhhh yeah the last 3 winters have been like an average of 20 degrees. With the windchill and at night, the coldest I think I've seen it get is like -35. My car door handle froze and snapped off when I tried to open it and it suuuucked.

yeah i'd die so fast there.

[handlikesecret]

Contradiction of the century.
pardon?

[ThemChains]

Double post of the year.

Fixed. What I thought was before someone would catch it. Can't pull the wool over your eyes.

[ThemChains]

pardon?

Do you need it spelled out to you why that sentence was contradictory?

[Jumpoff]

Haha. That's weird, was it an open container?

It was a while ago, but I remember it being a glass container with little holes in the top cover.

[Yes. And?]

Fixed. What I thought was before someone would catch it. Can't pull the wool over your eyes.
:strong:

[handlikesecret]

you're ignorant. the implications of your ignorance are what oppress me. you can stop being ignorant and i'd respect you as much as someone who isn't, or you can be, and i'll still think you're ignorant.

see there's a difference here. it's not all about tolerance. this is a knowledge issue. to say "homosexuality is wrong" would imply that you know what it's like to be someone who isn't straight. You don't. You lack this knowledge, and making claims like you do is ignorant. I'm not going to respect someone who does that as much as I'll respect someone who isn't being ignorant. it's not even a part of this issue. i'd look at you just like i look at someone who says it takes no talent to scream or be in a noise band.

the problem is the implications. it's not a matter of being like "oh okay i respect that you think i'm a sexual deviant" since the way you think is inherently disrespectful to me.
...then this conversation is futile. we obviously have diferent definitions of what is deserving of respect.

unfortunately (or rather fortunately, this conversation has been done for a while) i'm going to bed. i have church tomorrow, and i'm gonna be dead during the service.
so, even though you don't share it, it's been a pleasure "chatting". :-)

[x togepi x]

i don't see how there's respect in stating "oh you're a sexual deviant". that's like saying "i respect you and you're a fucking asshole". but whatever.

[handlikesecret]

Do you need it spelled out to you why that sentence was contradictory?
i believe that's what "pardon" implies? :shrug:

[Brokenhill]

...then this conversation is futile. we obviously have diferent definitions of what is deserving of respect.

unfortunately (or rather fortunately, this conversation has been done for a while) i'm going to bed. i have church tomorrow, and i'm gonna be dead during the service.
so, even though you don't share it, it's been a pleasure "chatting". :-)


See ya dude, :wave:

[handlikesecret]

i don't see how there's respect in stating "oh you're a sexual deviant". that's like saying "i respect you and you're a fucking asshole". but whatever.
you have a good night too.

[Yes. And?]

:yawn:

[ThemChains]

i believe that's what "pardon" implies? :shrug:

Go back, check your premises, and maybe things will be a bit clearer.

[x togepi x]

people like those two posters are why i should leave this worthless site.

[handlikesecret]

See ya dude, :wave:
have a good one bro.

people like those two posters are why i should leave this worthless site.
i'm such a jerk too.

[Nevuk]

What the fuck happened here?

[Nevuk]

The Beatles - Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band

It has the best songs.
This album gets old after 3-4 listens on repeat.

[x togepi x]

i'm such a jerk too.

You're telling me to sit there and let people treat me like shit for no reason other than the fact that they're ignorant. fuck that. have fun at church.

[handlikesecret]

You're telling me to sit there and let people treat me like shit for no reason other than the fact that they're ignorant. fuck that. have fun at church.
i plan on it, i always do.

[Brokenhill]

You're telling me to sit there and let people treat me like shit for no reason other than the fact that they're ignorant. fuck that. have fun at church.


How are we treating you badly? You're the one that just can't stand by and leave things be. You're the instigator here.

[x togepi x]

How are we treating you badly? You're the one that just can't stand by and leave things be. You're the instigator here.

Limp Wrist Thread.

The fact that you spew bullshit about how my lifestyle is wrong. seriously, i'm fucking done with this site.

[Brokenhill]

I gotta go too though, I have to wake up at 8:30...

[Yes. And?]

people like those two posters are why i should leave this worthless site.
People like me are why you stay. <3

[ThemChains]

How are we treating you badly? You're the one that just can't stand by and leave things be. You're the instigator here.

I love this retort.


Just be complacent togepi. DUH! Didn't you know it was that easy?

[Nevuk]

No bold name = mods hating you.
Unless you're slade.

[tipoftheiceberg]

Well hey I have 3 other cats and as you can see by the up-to-date map below, you will be nice and safe from the rest of dumbfuckistan if you stayed with me.
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/fe/Dumbfucistan.jpg

pay no mind that we were voted most miserable city in america 2007


verrry nice

back to albums?

[Brokenhill]

Limp Wrist Thread.

The fact that you spew bullshit about how my lifestyle is wrong. seriously, i'm fucking done with this site.


If I remember correctly, it was because someone else in the thread commented on something about christianity. And then I randomly said something like "I find it odd/strange/funny that people think they can be homosexual and christian".

I wasn't talking about anyone in particular, not "spewing" anything out at anyone...I just seriously found it interesting that this kid on youtube did all this "research" and posted a video about being a homosexual + a christian.

Whatever comment was in that thread, reminded me of that video I saw earlier, and I for some reason I felt the need to post. Now, I realize it was kinda unnecessary, and kind of pointless, but hey...can't change the past.

[Yes. And?]

No back to albums.

[Brokenhill]

No back to albums.


Yea, lets all discuss The Wall...

Or actually any PF record.

[x togepi x]

If I remember correctly, it was because someone else in the thread commented on something about christianity. And then I randomly said something like "I find it odd/strange/funny that people think they can be homosexual and christian".

I wasn't talkign about anyone in particular, not "spewing" anythign out at anyone...I just seriously found it interesting that this kid on youtube did all this "research" and posted a video about being a homosexual + a christian.

Whatever comment was in that thread, reminded me of that video I saw earlier, and I for some reason I felt the need to post. Now, I realize it was kinda unnecessary, and kind of pointless, but hey...can't change the past.

No. you said "ROFL THERE'S A DUDE ON YOUTUBE WHO SAYS HE'S A GAY CHRISTIAN" which isn't at all what you're claiming here. ben posted a band shirt that said jerry falwell is rotting in hell, which has nothing to do with christianity and you came in there anyway. nevermind the fact that you used to call people **** and use gay as an insult around here until other people called you out on it.

but whatever.

[Yes. And?]

If I remember correctly, it was because someone else in the thread commented on something about christianity. And then I randomly said something like "I find it odd/strange/funny that people think they can be homosexual and christian".

I wasn't talking about anyone in particular, not "spewing" anything out at anyone...I just seriously found it interesting that this kid on youtube did all this "research" and posted a video about being a homosexual + a christian.

Whatever comment was in that thread, reminded me of that video I saw earlier, and I for some reason I felt the need to post. Now, I realize it was kinda unnecessary, and kind of pointless, but hey...can't change the past.
1) you had no business being in there anyway.
2) why would you say something you knew would do nothing but inflame people. Fucking troll.
3) that's totally false. Anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord is a Christian. Kinda surprised you didn't know that simple fact.

[Nevuk]

Well hey I have 3 other cats and as you can see by the up-to-date map below, you will be nice and safe from the rest of dumbfuckistan if you stayed with me.
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/f/fe/Dumbfucistan.jpg

pay no mind that we were voted most miserable city in america 2007
I'd rather be in Detroit than here. Cincinnati is somehow fucking worse than Kentucky. Miserable place. Apparently it banned playboys.

[Nevuk]

Yea, lets all discuss The Wall...

Or actually any PF record.
They bore me and make me think homoerotic thoughts. Should I break the one vinyl of the wall I have?

[x togepi x]

now AFG can stop being persecuted by mean old me. he has it so hard. later bros. pretty much everyone has me on aim/msn anyway.

here's to new beginnings you fucks.

[Yes. And?]

Shut up, you'll be back. :(

[Pinky Happyead!]

Dance of Death - Iron Maiden

Great Songs! Wildest Dreams, Rainmaker, Dance of Death, Paschendale, New Frontier and Journeyman is all great songs! :D

[bowl of oranges]

I don't really know what my favorite album is. I have a top 5 list, but since my music tastes still need to mature, I don't think I can really say which one my all-time favorite is yet.

[Kid B]

Shit, this thread exploded.

[absolutecrunk]

Ahahaha and hardly anyone talked about albums outside of the first page. Thread was still a success though. 250 and counting!

[Kid B]

I've got a lot of reading to do hehe.