Number Two of Four ...

[Jason Tate]

Socratic (http://www.socraticmusic.com) have officially announced they are signing to Drive-Thru Records on their website. They have also announced their sound is changing, they have added a piano player, and they are changing their band name.

[wakepunk]

Shouts of "NOT ANOTHER SOMETHING CORPORATE!!!" in 3...2...1...

[jamaica next]

socratic doesnt sound anything like something corporate.. i wouldn't really know who to compare them to, but they're a damn good band and hilarious guys, congrats

[1000shadesofred]

how do u not know what to compare them to.. they sound exactly like other drive thru bands... they sound exactly like early november or finding westerly. lyrics arent very good either! oh PS they dont sound like something corporate, but im sure theyll try to sound like them

[mike_p]

Thanks Tate for correcting that...

Something Corporate, honestly, isn't even close to Socratic... anything you can currently here from them (Socratic), is nothing like what they wrote... absolutely amazing music, you will agree when you hear it...

They are original, and that's hard this day when band's are so cookie cutter...

P.S. 1000shadesofred obviously has not heard their new stuff... don't judge before you listen...

[swrilltearuaprt]

also announced their sound is changing, they have added a piano player, and they are changing their band name

so basically they've sold out to be on DT?

[The Bled 13]

No, they didn't sell out. What the hell is selling out, please define it for me. I don't think you know what you are talking about. Because you sign to any label doesn't make you a 'sell out'. That god damn phrase is so over used and a complete cliche. So think about it before you use it, otherwise your just gonna sound like those little girls that are in love with Good Charlotte. Congratulations Socratic (Or whatever your new name will be.) And to whoever said Socratic was supposidly sleeping on there floor (or anyone else that said they weren't signing to DTR) - What do you have to say now? Nothing. Why do you have to lie about stupid shit like that, it's not funny and just shows how much life you DON'T have. Ha.

[The Bled 13]

Uh oh dude! You have a song from Brand New! HOLY SHIT, they sold out...didn't they? No they didn't, so stop saying that crappy phrase.

[Underoath]

here we go again with the "selling out" arguement...anyway, DT breeds 13 yr old bubble-gum punk bands, that is fact. whether you like it or not, that label is gonna shove them to what sells, and in that market it is something corporate...an appropriate name for a band listened to american eagle shoppers everywhere...

[Frank Giaramita]

No, they didn't sell out. What the hell is selling out, please define it for me. I don't think you know what you are talking about. Because you sign to any label doesn't make you a 'sell out'. That god damn phrase is so over used and a complete cliche. So think about it before you use it, otherwise your just gonna sound like those little girls that are in love with Good Charlotte. Congratulations Socratic (Or whatever your new name will be.) And to whoever said Socratic was supposidly sleeping on there floor (or anyone else that said they weren't signing to DTR) - What do you have to say now? Nothing. Why do you have to lie about stupid shit like that, it's not funny and just shows how much life you DON'T have. Ha.


soemtimes labels force yout to lie, por force you to keep yoru mouth shut until they say so.

[storts87]

here we go again with the "selling out" arguement...anyway, DT breeds 13 yr old bubble-gum punk bands, that is fact. whether you like it or not, that label is gonna shove them to what sells, and in that market it is something corporate...an appropriate name for a band listened to american eagle shoppers everywhere...


hmmm...13 yr old bubble gum punk bands...?? what about finch and senses fail...shit...even steel train...?? i'll go find some "pop punk", 13 year old and ask if they've heard any of them. i'd guarantee the answer would be no. all of the bands on drive thru..well...most... have depth, and are amazing at doing what they do. I definitely believe Socratic just took some constructive criticism and improved their sound...that doesnt mean they've "sold out" the change is most likely for the better...cant wait to hear the new stuff

[eldiego1]

how do u not know what to compare them to.. they sound exactly like other drive thru bands... they sound exactly like early november or finding westerly. lyrics arent very good either! oh PS they dont sound like something corporate, but im sure theyll try to sound like them

i went to see them at their first show with their new piano player. to me it sounded terrific, it's not for everyone, but all i know is that it doesn't sound like something corporate and they are not conforming to anything. it's like saying that anyone with a sax player is ska (ever heard of jazz?). they are just growing up as musicians. you can't blame them for that. i think they'll be a great addition to the drive-thru lineup and i hope everything goes great for them.

[UniQue2RoutinE]

I honestly don't understand why everybody hates drive thru so much. Yes, they're a popular label, but it seems to me that every time something gets popular, people have to prove how "punk rock" they are by saying they hate it. That drives me crazy. Drive Thru is just doing what brings in the money, so more power to em.

Congratulations Socratic

[wakepunk]

Whoa, I think my comment's being taken in the wrong way. What I meant was some people are going to be ignorant and just write them off as a SoCo wannabe just because they have a piano player in the band. I've listened to them, and I know they don't sound like SoCo...that's not what I meant. Sorry for the confusion.

Also, when will we be hearing about these other 2 signings?

[itsallcalypso]

I used to like drive thru a lot, but recently I haven't really been into a lot of their stuff. I don't really enjoy any of the new bands save for Senses Fail, and I'm still not exactly sure about them, and won't be until I hear the full length. In my opinion all of the artists on drive thru are decreasing in quality. NFG, something corporate, and midtown were all bands that I liked but have had disappointing recent cds. I think that the movielife started to go downhill once they signed to drive thru and nothing they did on drive thru comes anywhere close to "this time next year." The only bands on drive thru that I can still get excited about are Finch and especially the Rx Bandits.

[OurHeartAttack]

I doubt any of this is Drive-Thru's bidding... I mean, I don't think they're dumb enough to do the whole piano thing, because they know for a fact that uptight morons are gonna freak out "OMG SOMETHING CORPORATE RIPOFFS!@!!!", so I'm pretty sure this is up to Socratic, or whatever the hell their new name is.

[X__inhope]

also announced their sound is changing, they have added a piano player, and they are changing their band name

so basically they've sold out to be on DT?

no. actually you are stupid. they decided most of that before they signed to drive thru.

and also. if you knew socratic, you would know they arent the kind of people that would change for drive thru, or anyone.

and to the people saying they arent good.. look at drive thru's track record. they have an amazing sense of potential. most of their bands lacked when they signed them, i mean, look at homegrown.. before they met r+s they didnt even know what a proper song structure was, and now they sell a ton of records and write good music.

[LTJ182]

You sign to DTR for a 6 record deal....thats sooo shitty

hope these guys like being "just another band" on that label...im soo over drive thru

ask them if they had to walk on richards back....

[X__inhope]

You sign to DTR for a 6 record deal....thats sooo shitty

most labels make you sign a contract, its smart. that way, if another label wants your band, you get a big payoff if the band wants to leave their contract early. everyone does it.

[mike_p]

You sign to DTR for a 6 record deal....thats sooo shitty

hope these guys like being "just another band" on that label...im soo over drive thru

ask them if they had to walk on richards back....

great, i like the way people think because Drive Thru went from nothing to a big something, it's 'punk' to not like anything popular... they sign good bands or potentially good bands... they help em out and make something of em...

if you knew half the shit going on you'd be quiet... btw no they didn't have to...

[The Bled 13]

great, i like the way people think because Drive Thru went from nothing to a big something, it's 'punk' to not like anything popular... they sign good bands or potentially good bands... they help em out and make something of em...

if you knew half the shit going on you'd be quiet... btw no they didn't have to...


Haha, I tottally agree. See 90% of the kids that say they hate Drive-Thru is because they think it is 'punk' to do so. But if you say 'Hey kid! Who is Crass or The Clash or Iggy or The Ramones hey give you a whaaa?' Oh well, I like Drive-Thru and I respect them for what they do. I say fuck you to people who make dumb comments such as that kid who said "Did you have to walk all over Richard?" Or something along those lines. Whatever man, you don't know him and you never will with that prick attitude, so get over yourself as some tough ass.

[The Bled 13]

Oh yeah, and you like Simple Plan. Enough said..oh wait, I have more to say. HAHA, ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? If you like candian music check out Boys Night Out or Silverstein, but PLEASE .. never ever listen to Simple Plan, they hate there dad's way to much. Whoa.

[the shitz]

for all the people that are trying to say that socratic "sold out" to be on drive thru and that the only reason they changed their style is to be on drive thru then those people are fucking idioits. Socratic was already in pre production for this cd before this whole drive thru thing. I am good friends with the whole band and i cannot express how happy i am for these guys they deserve this so much. Also, to the kid that said that socratic are not the type of guys to be in it to make money or whatever(forget what he said exactly) thank you because you are right on with that statement. Everyone just give socratic a chance when they release new stuff because the new stuff is not going to sound like their old stuff at all so dont go by the old stuff. I know some of u are probably thinking it is gonna be like brand new or some shit but ill guarantee it is not like the brand new. Alright enough bitching. Peace. If you wanna talk or comment leave one on here or im me at tslpunk6969 on aim. Also the person who said some shit about socratic or drive thru with a simple plan icon, you are fucking retarted. JUST LOOK AT YOUR BAND ICON. SIMPLE PLAN SUCKS DICK AND IS MANUFACTURED.

[theteenageloser]

'Sellout' is a word that isn't even... I don't know. Right to use anymore. Everyone uses it. It's the cool thing to say.

Piano is nice. I haven't heard anything from the band before, but it may compliment their sound. So why not? Doesn't mean they're going to rip-off Something Corporate.

[southshoreconor]

If you like candian music check out Boys Night Out or Silverstein.


what about moneen!

[swrilltearuaprt]

No, they didn't sell out. What the hell is selling out, please define it for me. I don't think you know what you are talking about. Because you sign to any label doesn't make you a 'sell out'. That god damn phrase is so over used and a complete cliche.

"also announced their sound is changing, they have added a piano player, and they are changing their band name."
They're changing just about everything to be signing to DT and to me, that's what selling out is. Yes, I agree congratulations to them for getting signed and I do wish them luck.


So think about it before you use it, otherwise your just gonna sound like those little girls that are in love with Good Charlotte.

I did think about it before I used it. If I am wrong, then please enlighten me. And why would using the term incorrectly put me in the same category as 12 year-old Good Charlotte lovers? This is where I am confused.

[swrilltearuaprt]

no. actually you are stupid. they decided most of that before they signed to drive thru.

and also. if you knew socratic, you would know they arent the kind of people that would change for drive thru, or anyone.

Actually, I am not stupid, I just had never heard of Socratic before. If they had decided to change before DT talks, whatever, then good for them.
I clearly don't know Socratic otherwise I would not have made my previous statement.
I retract.

[The Bled 13]

soemtimes labels force yout to lie, por force you to keep yoru mouth shut until they say so.

Oh no no no, that isn't what I meant. I know that. But some kids were saying "Yeah um, I so just like talked to the band and um dude they are on No Milk or something like that." And in that case the kids that said that knew that they were previously signed to No Milk and decided to act tough and know what they are talking about.

[The Bled 13]

what about moneen!

Haha, I completley forgot. And another reason - I don't really listen to them, haven't got the chance. BUT now that I feel like an idiot, I will make sure I get around to doing so!

[swrilltearuaprt]

I say fuck you to people who make dumb comments such as that kid who said "Did you have to walk all over Richard?" Or something along those lines. Whatever man, you don't know him and you never will with that prick attitude, so get over yourself as some tough ass.

The kid said to ask if they had to walk on Richard's back.
Richard literally likes people to walk on his back, to crack it or whatever. So you clearly don't know him either. I know this because two summers ago my friend's band played on the DT stage at Warped Tour and they were all hanging out with him later in the hotel and he asked them to walk on his back.

[The Bled 13]

'Sellout' is a word that isn't even... I don't know. Right to use anymore. Everyone uses it. It's the cool thing to say.

Piano is nice. I haven't heard anything from the band before, but it may compliment their sound. So why not? Doesn't mean they're going to rip-off Something Corporate.


Your so right. 'Sell-out' is just a fucking cliched word that the KIDS WHO DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT MUSIC WILL SAY. So stop using the fucking term. Selling out? What did they sell? They DO have control over their music, that is the point we are all missing. Artists like Clay Aiken and other fucks like that are not controlling their music. They have someone write them lyrics. Simple Plan even writes their own lyrics. I still fucking hate them.

[FarPastGone]

Congratulations to Socratic......and no they did not sell out, being an unsigned band can be a hard thing because you usually are paying for all your own exspences and you don't usually load up on money from shows, your cd's aren't usually widely sold anywhere outside your shows. So I look at a band singing to a record label (even if they change there sound) just a way that they can keep themselves a band and making music....I know you may say well theres tons of unsigned bands out there who just do fine, well after a while it starts to become a really hard thing to do and you eventually are going to have to quit and get a real job if you ever want a future......I think selling out comes into play when you have bands putting out cd's where nothing on it is written by them or they are constantly changing their style just to stay with whats cool......

[tapper792]

hey douche bags.

the only way you could've heard the new socratic stuff is if you've seen them live recently. everything, with the exception of changing their name, has been in the works long before they talked to richard and stefanie about signing so shut it. the only reason they're changing their name is because their new stuff doesn't sound anything like their first ep, so they felt with a new sound to have a fresh start with a new name. they felt that way, not drive thru records. the audio on their website does no justice to what they sound like now, whatsoever.

it is entirely possible that the people who think they will be a something corporate ripoff believe that something corporate invented putting a piano in your band. this isn't the case. anyone who's heard the new shit live and still thinks it sounds like something corporate is fucking retarded.

you all stink.

except maybe a few of you.

[circa999]

www.purevolume.com/mondaymourning

let me know what you think....

ryanh_999@hotmail.com

[falloutncambria]

I honestly don't understand why everybody hates drive thru so much. Yes, they're a popular label, but it seems to me that every time something gets popular, people have to prove how "punk rock" they are by saying they hate it. That drives me crazy. Drive Thru is just doing what brings in the money, so more power to em.

Congratulations Socratic

i agree 100%

[UniQue2RoutinE]

what about moneen!


mmmm....moneen, good band :)

[frizzie]

Just because they're having a piano player and happen to be in the same label, does not mean they're a Something Corporate rip off. Talk about being vulgur

[hourzero]

And to whoever said Socratic was supposidly sleeping on there floor (or anyone else that said they weren't signing to DTR) - What do you have to say now? Nothing. Why do you have to lie about stupid shit like that, it's not funny and just shows how much life you DON'T have. Ha.

That would be me you're calling out.

Get the facts before you use an open forum to accuse someone of lying. It's offensive. Nothing said in my earlier post was a lie. There's no need to use the internet as your personal boxing ring.

Vinne from Socratic in AZ on 1-11-04 @ 11:18am (http://www.timharmonphoto.com/images/rock/socratic/press/socraticinaz.jpg)

[bossman calling]

no one has said anything regarding the following:

what was their old sound like?

what is their new sound like?

genres? artistic comparisons? i'm curious, and interested.

[vintagepunk]

selling out is changing your style of music to make money. And from what I've heard that sounds exactly what they are doing.

Now I have not heard anything from this band untill today because stuff like this isnt exactly my cup of tea. I gotta say they dont sound all that great. I know they are changing but rest assured if they are going on drive-thru it is going to suck. And no people dont bash drive thru because its the "punk" thing to do. People bash drive thru because they produce the same shit over and over again. Maybe if they mixed up their sound a bit and stopped trying to put out the next big peice of shit pop album that will land itself adds all over MTV they would be good. The only band on drive-thru that gets my respect is Rx Bandits.

[swrilltearuaprt]

selling out is changing your style of music to make money. And from what I've heard that sounds exactly what they are doing.


thank you! that's exactly what i was saying and got so brutally attacked for.

[basedonimpulse]

i will give it a try but since senses fail was signed to drive thru ( i like them) i haven't liked any other band that has been signed to the label, (early november, hidden in plain view,,,etc.)

[The Bled 13]

So infor me..what facts do I have to get straight? YOU did say Socratic wasn't going to sign, when infact they did. So tell me, what do you have to say?

[LTJ182]

at least somsone can back me up...

it is true...those whole walking on backs and 6 record deals and all that shit...its ridiculous. I never said anything really negative about the label, alhtough i do feel not being able to leave for basically about 8 years do to the contract and time it takes to make a record etc etc is pretty shitty...

but it does sound as though this band, and i dont even know who we are tlaking about anymore, chnaged for the fact that they signed to that label....yes they are garaunteed to see 15K records causeof the following of kids that the label has, but beyond that-unless they are better than the starting line and more marketable...they are going no where

There is alot of shit tlaking going from then and to them. I could tell stories up the ass...trust me on that one.

about my icon-they started one way, and keep it that way....go read alternative presss...its called intergrity...

[1000shadesofred]

something corporate and early november are the only good drive thru bands, all the others are stereotypical. starting line, hidden in plain view, and that new band they signed jenoah are all the same sound. sure starting line started it all but their sounds change once they get to drive thru. remember HIPV their Operation: cut throat??? that cd rocked, then they signed to drive thru and all their songs sound the same. but something corporate have a piano, all their lyrics are good and arent just about stupid little things, and he could already write a new album if he wanted to , he soo talents... and early november actually has a personality and their music is diff. i have seen starting line at other concerts and they just sit and listen, early november gets on stages and sings along and dives ooff and shit.. thats awesome

[bossman calling]

about my icon-they started one way, and keep it that way....go read alternative presss...its called intergrity...

about your icon, the same band that was an actual punk band called reset, who changed their style completely to get signed as a pop band. dude, give it up, you define the word "pathetic."

[abbreviation]

They have also announced their sound is changing, they have added a piano player, and they are changing their band name.

That's ridiculous.

[NJ Love Core]

something corporate and early november are the only good drive thru bands, all the others are stereotypical. starting line, hidden in plain view, and that new band they signed jenoah are all the same sound. sure starting line started it all but their sounds change once they get to drive thru. remember HIPV their Operation: cut throat??? that cd rocked, then they signed to drive thru and all their songs sound the same. but something corporate have a piano, all their lyrics are good and arent just about stupid little things, and he could already write a new album if he wanted to , he soo talents... and early november actually has a personality and their music is diff. i have seen starting line at other concerts and they just sit and listen, early november gets on stages and sings along and dives ooff and shit.. thats awesome

So, you're saying that the only good bands on Drive-Thru are Something Corporate and The Early November... and that all of the other bands are, stereotypical? First of all, The Starting Line and Hidden In Plain View do not carry the same sound or genre at all. As far as I know, bands that have previously signed to DTR have gradually improved after signing to them... give or take The Movielife. I also disagree with your argument on Something Corporate. True, they have a piano, so what? "All their lyrics are good are aren't just about stupid little things." Okay, you apparently don't think "punk rock princesses" and getting drunk are stupid little things, but that's besides the point. He? Andrew isn't the only one in the band... and if you had any respect for Something Corporate, you'd take the other band members into consideration. The Early November is a great band with a great sound, but for you to say that their music is different is just false. If you told me that there isn't a single band in the world that sounds somewhat like them, I'd be more than glad to call you a liar. Back to what you said about all of the other bands (on DTR) being stereotypical... what? I don't know whether you mean the people in the bands themselves, or if you're just bad with words. Alright, what about Rx Bandits? They're signed to Drive-Thru, they don't sound like any other band I've heard in my entire life, on any record label. If you don't trust my word, I'd advise you to go and pick up their latest CD, "The Resignation", and then if you can still tell me differently, there's definitely something wrong with you. I'm not even taking your post offensively, because I think that everything you said was said completely thoughtlessly. And yeah, Serg stage dives... along with a million other bands, including my nine year old cousins "punk" cover band who will be stuck playing in their basement for the rest of their music "career". Good job.

Socratic deserves this signing, no matter what anyone says. Congratulations to Socratic and good luck to them in the future.

-Annie

[philipjenk]

So did everyone forget to mention that hilarious post about Richard asking some band to walk on his back? hahahaha Fucking awesome...

...and yeah, Rx Bandits are truely fucking amazing! Don't sound like any other band I've ever heard and they definately pull it off live.

I was so gutted I bought that HIPV CD. So not what I was expecting. Nothing new adn the drums on twenty below are awful... to the max!

As for Socratic... Maybe I'll check them out and then I'll be the judge of whether they rock or not...

peace.
phil...

[southshoreconor]

i will give it a try but since senses fail was signed to drive thru ( i like them) i haven't liked any other band that has been signed to the label, (early november, hidden in plain view,,,etc.)

just so you know, The Early November signed to DTR before Senses Fail did.

I was so gutted I bought that HIPV CD. So not what I was expecting. Nothing new adn the drums on twenty below are awful... to the max!

and just so you know, HIPV got a new drummer and he is a million times better than what's on their EP.

[thelatedecember]

i'm pleased that socratic was signed to drive thru records. a special congrats goes out to those cool kids! (two of them being from cranford... REPRESENT!)