Any Republicans here?

[GuitarR0cker1]

Just curious.

[Machu505]

I doubt there's that many, especially on this forum. That's a good thing too.

[GuitarR0cker1]

I doubt there's that many, especially on this forum. That's a good thing too.
Well it isn't too bad to have more moderate Republicans or independents, its just some of them can be extreme hacks or bigots sometimes.

[AsItFallsApart]

you do know the honcho here leans to the right, right?

[GuitarR0cker1]

you do know the honcho here leans to the right, right?
So? If he is a good honcho he will let me have my beliefs. Besides I never said he was an asshole, I should probably reword my post so it doesn't offend.

[Machu505]

What? Jason Tate supports Obama, if I'm not mistaken.

[AsItFallsApart]

So? If he is a good honcho he will let me have my beliefs. Besides I never said he was an asshole, I should probably reword my post so it doesn't offend.

didn't say there was anything wrong, just answering your question

[Broken Parachute]

Yeah I know. Republicans have the tendency to be assholes and have retarded beliefs, at least in Idaho.Way to make generalizations. You said that you should be able to believe what you want to right? Well, shouldn't Republicans? So now you've made contradictions and generalizations. Nice job on being an asshole.

Half of my friends think Obama is a Muslim and even though I am not an extreme fan of him you would have to be stupid to think that.That's not because they're Republicans, that's because they're 14.

[Broken Parachute]

Uhhh...I'm pretty sure Jason does not lean to the right at all.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Way to make generalizations. You said that you should be able to believe what you want to right? Well, shouldn't Republicans? So now you've made contradictions and generalizations. Nice job on being an asshole.

That's not because they're Republicans, that's because they're 14.
Somebody is overreacting. I think that it is fine they are Republicans and they have their own beliefs I am just saying they can be assholes just like Liberals or anyone.

[Praetor]

Somebody is overreacting. I think that it is fine they are Republicans and they have their own beliefs I am just saying they can be assholes just like Liberals or anyone.
Yeah but you said that they have a tendency to be assholes, singling them out, which was stupid.

[Broken Parachute]

Somebody is overreacting. I think that it is fine they are Republicans and they have their own beliefs I am just saying they can be assholes just like Liberals or anyone.No, I'm not overreacting. Read your first two posts again. You sounded like an idiot.

[shes.a.ghost]

Somebody is overreacting. I think that it is fine they are Republicans and they have their own beliefs I am just saying they can be assholes just like Liberals or anyone.So if anyone can be an asshole, why are you singling out republicans? Oh wait, I know why. Because you are 14 and the media says that republicans are stupid, so you base your opinion off of that.

[GuitarR0cker1]

No, I'm not overreacting. Read your first two posts again. You sounded like an idiot.
Yeah I realise that now. Well at least thanks for pointing that out.

[GuitarR0cker1]

So if anyone can be an asshole, why are you singling out republicans? Oh wait, I know why. Because you are 14 and the media says that republicans are stupid, so you base your opinion off of that.
It is fine to call me stupid for saying that but I DO NOT base my opinion off the media. I actually hate the media and I am not your average 14 year old.

[Biliard]

It is fine to call me stupid for saying that but I DO NOT base my opinion off the media. I actually hate the media and I am not your average 14 year old.

Then what are you?

[peterock]

haha i love watching 14 year olds act like they know anything about anything.

[shes.a.ghost]

It is fine to call me stupid for saying that but I DO NOT base my opinion off the media. I actually hate the media and I am not your average 14 year old.Did I call you stupid? No I did not.

[Jack123]

Proud registered Republican. Not very happy with John McCain (much like a lot of conservatives) although I think he is a complete stud and respect him to no belief. Still not completely sure McCain is best fit to follow the most hated politician in American history as President but we'll see. Obama is completely inspiring and would do a lot of good for our country in the bigger picture, but his views are sooo left its hard for a republican to get behind that (especially things like universal health care and no clear plan for pulling out of Iraq).

[Broken Parachute]

I am not your average 14 year old.All 14 year olds say that. They always turn out to be your average 14 year old anyway.

[Broken Parachute]

So if anyone can be an asshole, why are you singling out republicans? Oh wait, I know why. Because you are 14 and the media says that republicans are stupid, so you base your opinion off of that.Either that or it is what his parents believe. When I was 13/14 I remember my beliefs were basically whatever my parents believed in, haha.

[Biliard]

All 14 year olds say that. They always turn out to be your average 14 year old anyway.

I know, but I was hoping that there might be some witty comeback.

[GuitarR0cker1]

haha i love watching 14 year olds act like they know anything about anything.
Well I do know stuff, ask me anything about History or Politics and I will actually know it.

[Biliard]

All 14 year olds say that. They always turn out to be your average 14 year old anyway.

WAIT! I think we stand corrected. He knows stuff...

[GuitarR0cker1]

Did I call you stupid? No I did not.
You basically implied that. I probably overreacted but the assumption that I based my ideas off of the mainstream media pissed me off.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Then what are you?
I,m not a 21 year old from Virginia that asks stupid questions?;-)

[Biliard]

I,m not a 21 year old from Virginia that asks stupid questions?;-)

You can blame that on the fact that I am a Republican.

[GuitarR0cker1]

You can blame that on the fact that I am a Republican.
You are? Who did you support in the primaries? McCain, Romney, Huckabee, or Paul?

[Machu505]

I'm 14 and this thread offends me by implying that because I am 14 I know less and I have poorer judgment.

[Broken Parachute]

I'm a registered Republican and this thread offends me by implying that all Republicans are assholes who have retarded beliefs...so shut up.

[Machu505]

Did I say they were assholes? No I did not.

[GuitarR0cker1]

The sad part is that all I wanted this thread to be about asking about if there were any Republicans here and it turned into another fail thread about pointless shit.

[Broken Parachute]

The sad part is that all I wanted this thread to be about asking about if there were any Republicans here and it turned into another fail thread about pointless shit.The thread was pointless in the first place. The fact that you worded it poorly just added to how stupid it was.

[GuitarR0cker1]

The thread was pointless in the first place. The fact that you worded it poorly just added to how stupid it was.
Yeah I tend to make stupid and pointless threads. It is a chronic problem of mine.

[GiggsOho]

Anyone who associates with that party needs a good long look in the mirror after today's travesty on Capitol Hill. Republicans, flat out, don't give a flying fuck about you and your wallet. I hope all you republicans are enjoying $4.25/gal for gas.

(For the record, I walk to work, I think it's a shame for everyone else that drives, and continues to get boned in the ass. That's right republicans, I care about someone else other than myself!)

[Broken Parachute]

Anyone who associates with that party needs a good long look in the mirror after today's travesty on Capitol Hill. Republicans, flat out, don't give a flying fuck about you and your wallet. I hope all you republicans are enjoying $4.25/gal for gas.

(For the record, I walk to work, I think it's a shame for everyone else that drives, and continues to get boned in the ass. That's right republicans, I care about someone else other than myself!)Bush can do something about gas prices, but he chooses not to. Surprised?

[asmolitor]

That's not because they're Republicans, that's because they're 14.

hahaha. give 'em another year, they'll discover anti-flag, and starting drawing anarchist symbols on lunchtables.

It is fine to call me stupid for saying that but I DO NOT base my opinion off the media. I actually hate the media and I am not your average 14 year old.

that's a complete paradox.

Well I do know stuff, ask me anything about History or Politics and I will actually know it.

so would wikipedia.

(For the record, I walk to work, I think it's a shame for everyone else that drives, and continues to get boned in the ass. That's right republicans, I care about someone else other than myself!)

smug. it's the AP version of george clooney's acceptance speech.

[GiggsOho]

smug. it's the AP version of george clooney's acceptance speech.

Still better than being a Republican.

[CrenshawPunch]

I'm about as conservative as they come. I treat politics here though like how I treat it at my college. I keep my mouth shut and only engage people who are capable of having an intelligent discussion. I made the mistake of opening my mouth freshman year, and I got bombarded with insults and bitching. This obviously works both ways, however at my school and on here, a majority of the people leane pretty far to the left.

[asmolitor]

Still better than being a Republican.

smug democrats and ignorant republicans are different sides of the same idiotic coin.

[GiggsOho]

smug democrats and ignorant republicans are different sides of the same idiotic coin.

So am I the political bad guy for being mad that republicans basically said "fuck you" to the general American family, while I have the option not to give into the crippling that is going on in the American economy because of said oil companies?

If that's smug, then tattoo it on my forehead.

[CrenshawPunch]

Bush can do something about gas prices, but he chooses not to. Surprised?


Actually he can't. Gas prices are regulated by the market. A majority of the gas stations in the U.S. aren't even owned by the major gas companies. The prices are being set by the gas station owners and are independent of the cost of crude oil. Its simple supply and demand really. Less oil is being produced, causing the price to rise. It's a bit more complicated than that, but that is the basic gist of it. The only thing Bush could do would be to subsidize the cost of gasoline, much like how the Government subsidizes Amtrak or anything like that. Problem is, if he does that, our taxes will increase. If we really wanted to do something, we should get Congress to repeal all of the ridiculous gas taxes in place. I think it's something like 60 cents in California. Ridiculous.

[CrenshawPunch]

So am I the political bad guy for being mad that republicans basically said "fuck you" to the general American family, while I have the option not to give into the crippling that is going on in the American economy because of said oil companies?

If that's smug, then tattoo it on my forehead.

Explain.

[GiggsOho]

Actually he can't. Gas prices are regulated by the market. A majority of the gas stations in the U.S. aren't even owned by the major gas companies. The prices are being set by the gas station owners and are independent of the cost of crude oil. Its simple supply and demand really. Less oil is being produced, causing the price to rise. It's a bit more complicated than that, but that is the basic gist of it. The only thing Bush could do would be to subsidize the cost of gasoline, much like how the Government subsidizes Amtrak or anything like that. Problem is, if he does that, our taxes will increase. If we really wanted to do something, we should get Congress to repeal all of the ridiculous gas taxes in place. I think it's something like 60 cents in California. Ridiculous.


:appl:

[CrenshawPunch]

:appl:

You do realize that you are applauding a conservative point of view, yes?

[GiggsOho]

Explain.


Okay, the windfall profit tax was stopped today, which I can understand, I'm not an idiot, the companies would pass the cost down to the consumer, and we would all end up paying for it. That isn't what pisses me off. This is what pisses me off (from the AP article dealing with today):

"Shortly after the oil tax vote, Republicans blocked a second proposal that would extend tax breaks that have either expired or are scheduled to end this year for wind, solar and other alternative energy development, and for the promotion of energy efficiency and conservation."

Republicans are basically saying "Fuck you, American family, we like things the way they are, enjoy being boned in the ass."

[asmolitor]

So am I the political bad guy for being mad that republicans basically said "fuck you" to the general American family, while I have the option not to give into the crippling that is going on in the American economy because of said oil companies?

If that's smug, then tattoo it on my forehead.

the smug part mainly rests on declaring, oh so proudly, that you walk to work, and actually used the phrase "I care about someone else other than myself." seriously, you should be awarded some sort of badge for being so socially and environmentally conscious.

[GiggsOho]

You do realize that you are applauding a conservative point of view, yes?

Fully aware, but that's not the only thing needed to solve problems. To me conservative =/= Republican.

[GiggsOho]

the smug part mainly rests on declaring, oh so proudly, that you walk to work, and actually used the phrase "I care about someone else other than myself." seriously, you should be awarded some sort of badge for being so socially and environmentally conscious.

I said that because it is very obvious, based upon today's filibuster, accompanied with tons more shit I could dig up, that Republicans are extremely selfish.

[doubletrue]

so surprising to hear the whole "bush caused everything that is wrong in this country" on this forum.

[CrenshawPunch]

Okay, the windfall profit tax was stopped today, which I can understand, I'm not an idiot, the companies would pass the cost down to the consumer, and we would all end up paying for it. That isn't what pisses me off. This is what pisses me off (from the AP article dealing with today):

"Shortly after the oil tax vote, Republicans blocked a second proposal that would extend tax breaks that have either expired or are scheduled to end this year for wind, solar and other alternative energy development, and for the promotion of energy efficiency and conservation."

Republicans are basically saying "Fuck you, American family, we like things the way they are, enjoy being boned in the ass."

I think that is an outlandish conclusion to draw. You are contradicting yourself with the first portion of your comment.

Fully aware, but that's not the only thing needed to solve problems. To me conservative =/= Republican.

I like you. The Republican party would do well to champion an actual conservative, instead of the trash they have been putting up after Reagan.

[uchiha]

there is a huge difference between the neo-cons and the Ron Paul Republicans... but yes I consider myself a Ron Paul Republican

[GuitarR0cker1]

I'm about as conservative as they come. I treat politics here though like how I treat it at my college. I keep my mouth shut and only engage people who are capable of having an intelligent discussion. I made the mistake of opening my mouth freshman year, and I got bombarded with insults and bitching. This obviously works both ways, however at my school and on here, a majority of the people leane pretty far to the left.
Same here except I am a liberal. My school is so conservative that most people think I am a communist and lots of my friends even think I am non-religous just because of the few times I tried to defend gays.

[lauren<3s music]

visit the politics forum more frequently

ask dumb questions less

that is all

[GuitarR0cker1]

there is a huge difference between the neo-cons and the Ron Paul Republicans... but yes I consider myself a Ron Paul Republican
Neo-cons and Ron Paul Republicans are almost total opposities if you are looking at only Conservatism.

[GuitarR0cker1]

visit the politics forum more frequently

ask dumb questions less

that is all
Yeah your right, I just haven't seen any evidence of Republicans here.

[GiggsOho]

I think that is an outlandish conclusion to draw. You are contradicting yourself with the first portion of your comment.

In a way, yes. But the republican motive for the filibuster was Republicans saying "we need to rely on domestic drilling," when that is totally playing right into Oil's hands, because Oil drilled in America goes on the international market just like any other country who drills. Republicans aren't trying to put the money back in America's pocket.



I like you. The Republican party would do well to champion an actual conservative, instead of the trash they have been putting up after Reagan.

I'm not going to lie (if it isn't obvious already), I lie on the liberal side of the fence, but I am completely honest that when I hear a good idea, I don't care what side of the fence it comes from. Example: I am completely for the death penalty. Not a liberal stance at all.

[GuitarR0cker1]

I like you. The Republican party would do well to champion an actual conservative, instead of the trash they have been putting up after Reagan.
Do you think Reagan is a good conservative or do you like the Republican Party of Eisenhower, and Ford more?

[CrenshawPunch]

Do you think Reagan is a good conservative or do you like the Republican Party of Eisenhower, and Ford more?
I thought Reagan was a good conservative, he just got stuck with an uncooperative congress which stifled a lot of what he was trying to do. I like Eisenhower a lot, that man was really smart.

[Broken Parachute]

You do realize that you are applauding a conservative point of view, yes?Hahahaha.

Fully aware, but that's not the only thing needed to solve problems. To me conservative =/= Republican.Absolutely true.

so surprising to hear the whole "bush caused everything that is wrong in this country" on this forum.Are you really that surprised?

I like you. The Republican party would do well to champion an actual conservative, instead of the trash they have been putting up after Reagan.Good point.

[Broken Parachute]

I'm not going to lie (if it isn't obvious already), I lie on the liberal side of the fence, but I am completely honest that when I hear a good idea, I don't care what side of the fence it comes from. Example: I am completely for the death penalty. Not a liberal stance at all.I'm registered as a Republican but I'm the same way. I don't just go with what the party believes in. I go with what I believe in, regardless of which side it is on. For example I'm against the death penalty, haha. I guess I consider myself more of an Independent than anything.

[Broken Parachute]

Actually he can't. Gas prices are regulated by the market. A majority of the gas stations in the U.S. aren't even owned by the major gas companies. The prices are being set by the gas station owners and are independent of the cost of crude oil. Its simple supply and demand really. Less oil is being produced, causing the price to rise. It's a bit more complicated than that, but that is the basic gist of it. The only thing Bush could do would be to subsidize the cost of gasoline, much like how the Government subsidizes Amtrak or anything like that. Problem is, if he does that, our taxes will increase. If we really wanted to do something, we should get Congress to repeal all of the ridiculous gas taxes in place. I think it's something like 60 cents in California. Ridiculous.That's unbelievable.

[GiggsOho]

I'm registered as a Republican but I'm the same way. I don't just go with what the party believes in. I go with what I believe in, regardless of which side it is on. For example I'm against the death penalty, haha. I guess I consider myself more of an Independent than anything.


I hate that independent stuff. It sounds like you can't make a decision. I like to refer to my political stance as "American." And, no, I don't mean that as in "I am the quintessential average American, and my ideals show it", (how could I be so smug...) I mean it as "I am an American, and will let nothing else define my political beliefs, be whatever they be."

[Broken Parachute]

I hate that independent stuff. It sounds like you can't make a decision. I like to refer to my political stance as "American." And, no, I don't mean that as in "I am the quintessential average American, and my ideals show it", (how could I be so smug...) I mean it as "I am an American, and will let nothing else define my political beliefs, be whatever they be."Then call me American.

[lauren<3s music]

Yeah your right, I just haven't seen any evidence of Republicans here.

*you're

captainhampton
justinstacey

probably the most prominent two.

[lauren<3s music]

I thought Reagan was a good conservative, he just got stuck with an uncooperative congress which stifled a lot of what he was trying to do. I like Eisenhower a lot, that man was really smart.

Reagan, awful republican.

Eisenhower one of the best elected officials, presidents, and leaders this country has ever seen.

[CrenshawPunch]

Reagan, awful republican.

Eisenhower one of the best elected officials, presidents, and leaders this country has ever seen.

Correct. Great conservative however.

[lauren<3s music]

Correct. Great conservative however.

Perhaps, but his economic principals were laughable and his lax regulations created one of the most substantial financial crashes in recent history.

[CrenshawPunch]

Perhaps, but his economic principals were laughable and his lax regulations created one of the most substantial financial crashes in recent history.

Explain.

[Broken Parachute]

Didn't Reagan have a great second term though?

[Nevuk]

*you're

captainhampton
justinstacey

probably the most prominent two.
I think he is actually an independent, and more of a centrist than a right winger. Except on foreign policy. Justinstacy I think claims independent status as well, not sure though.

[loveisdead]

*you're

captainhampton
justinstacey

probably the most prominent two.
Justinstacey I agree with. Captainhampton just says some retarded shit in this forum.

[lauren<3s music]

Explain.

trickle down economics everyone.

http://www.fdic.gov/bank/historical/s&l/

okay so the savings and loans crisis wasn't solely his fault, but you'll notice it took until Bush Sr. for the president to intervene...

[Broken Parachute]

Reaganomics: generate growth by stimulating the supply side. (Dec 2000)
U.S. economy does not need master planners, just freedom. (Dec 2000)
Dismisses seriousness of stock market crash. (Oct 1987)
Are you better off now than you were four years ago? (Jul 1987)
Laffer curve appealed to Reagan’s beliefs, not his economics. (Jul 1987)
Supply-side economics gets govt out of the way of growth. (Jul 1987)
Stockman’s plan: cut taxes & encourage defense growth. (Jul 1987)
Hold taxes & spending down to maintain economic growth. (Jan 1985)

[lauren<3s music]

I think he is actually an independent, and more of a centrist than a right winger. Except on foreign policy. Justinstacy I think claims independent status as well, not sure though.

Justinstacey I agree with. Captainhampton just says some retarded shit in this forum.

fair point both of you. they tend to lean right, my bad.

and :wave:

[lauren<3s music]

Reaganomics: generate growth by stimulating the supply side. (Dec 2000)
U.S. economy does not need master planners, just freedom. (Dec 2000)
Dismisses seriousness of stock market crash. (Oct 1987)
Are you better off now than you were four years ago? (Jul 1987)
Laffer curve appealed to Reagan’s beliefs, not his economics. (Jul 1987)
Supply-side economics gets govt out of the way of growth. (Jul 1987)
Stockman’s plan: cut taxes & encourage defense growth. (Jul 1987)
Hold taxes & spending down to maintain economic growth. (Jan 1985)

SUPPLY SIDE ECONOMICS DOES NOT WORK!!! ASK ANY ECONOMIST

/rant

[Nevuk]

Perhaps, but his economic principals were laughable and his lax regulations created one of the most substantial financial crashes in recent history.
If you are referring to the dotcom bust, much of the blame for that can be attributed to the rise of libertarian economic idealogy in the 90s, which culminated with a telecommunications act (Think 1994?) that deregulated the telecom industry and permitted the ma bell monster to begin reassembling itself. The speculative dark fiber market also played a huge role, and was the market the worst impacted of all the tech and dotcom areas, as it did not begin recovering until the last year or two (prices didn't even begin increasing).
Are we referring to something else though? His economic concepts are somewhat inspirational for idiotic acts like that being passed, but he wasn't in office at the time per se. (I haven't really researched any crashes in recent times except for this).

[loveisdead]

fair point both of you. they tend to lean right, my bad.

and :wave:

Howdy. I haven't been able to get on here at all lately cause of work, and sadly it's gonna be that way probably all summer. The thing about captainhampton i don't get is that whenever i see him post in other threads he's a pretty decent poster. In here he loses it.

[ActionActionFan]

Anyone who associates with that party needs a good long look in the mirror after today's travesty on Capitol Hill. Republicans, flat out, don't give a flying fuck about you and your wallet. I hope all you republicans are enjoying $4.25/gal for gas.

(For the record, I walk to work, I think it's a shame for everyone else that drives, and continues to get boned in the ass. That's right republicans, I care about someone else other than myself!)

You realize the gas prices went up by a much smaller amount with Bush in office with a republican congress than with a democrat congress. Therefore the democrats should bare just as much blame as Bush and the republicans if not more.

[loveisdead]

You realize the gas prices went up by a much smaller amount with Bush in office with a republican congress than with a democrat congress. Therefore the democrats should bare just as much blame as Bush and the republicans if not more.
Gas prices have been going up for the last 8 years. Bush and the republicans were in control for 6 of them. Do the fucking math.

[lauren<3s music]

If you are referring to the dotcom bust, much of the blame for that can be attributed to the rise of libertarian economic idealogy in the 90s, which culminated with a telecommunications act (Think 1994?) that deregulated the telecom industry and permitted the ma bell monster to begin reassembling itself. The speculative dark fiber market also played a huge role, and was the market the worst impacted of all the tech and dotcom areas, as it did not begin recovering until the last year or two (prices didn't even begin increasing).
Are we referring to something else though? His economic concepts are somewhat inspirational for idiotic acts like that being passed, but he wasn't in office at the time per se. (I haven't really researched any crashes in recent times except for this).

nope i was referring to the S&L crisis

Howdy. I haven't been able to get on here at all lately cause of work, and sadly it's gonna be that way probably all summer. The thing about captainhampton i don't get is that whenever i see him post in other threads he's a pretty decent poster. In here he loses it.

Oh no! Well fall will be great then we'll have a lot to discuss. I know it's odd. Politics must bring out the worst in some people

[Nevuk]

nope i was referring to the S&L crisis



Oh no! Well fall will be great then we'll have a lot to discuss. I know it's odd. Politics must bring out the worst in some people
Yeah, I realized after I typed it you referring to that would've made no sense. I try and avoid looking up reagan economic things because about half of the people writing about them revere them.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Gas prices have been going up for the last 8 years. Bush and the republicans were in control for 6 of them. Do the fucking math.
As much as I love bashing corporations and Bush you are wrong here.

[loveisdead]

As much as I love bashing corporations and Bush you are wrong here.
http://www.dailyfueleconomytip.com/miscellaneous/president-bush-and-gasoline-prices/

[GuitarR0cker1]

http://www.dailyfueleconomytip.com/miscellaneous/president-bush-and-gasoline-prices/
Just a coincidence. We are going to reach peak oil soon and it was only a matter of time before gas prices rose dramatically after 2000. I still think that the oil companies should be much more coinsiderate of people and cut profits to cut gas prices this big problem with gas prices might be for the better if it causes us to get off of foriegn oil and start our way to using all alternative fuels.

[loveisdead]

Just a coincidence. We are going to reach peak oil soon and it was only a matter of time before gas prices rose dramatically after 2000. I still think that the oil companies should be much more coinsiderate of people and cut profits to cut gas prices this big problem with gas prices might be for the better if it causes us to get off of foriegn oil and start our way to using all alternative fuels.
Saying it's just a coincidence doesn't prove me wrong. I gave you some facts. Don't get me wrong, I'm not completely blaming Bush for gas prices. But arguing that the Dems are making things worse just doesn't make sense to me.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Saying it's just a coincidence doesn't prove me wrong. I gave you some facts. Don't get me wrong, I'm not completely blaming Bush for gas prices. But arguing that the Dems are making things worse just doesn't make sense to me.
The Democrats aren't making things worse, the Republicans are I just don't think that either one of them is all to blame for manipulating prices. The market does that.

[se1046]

Just a coincidence. We are going to reach peak oil soon and it was only a matter of time before gas prices rose dramatically after 2000. I still think that the oil companies should be much more coinsiderate of people and cut profits to cut gas prices this big problem with gas prices might be for the better if it causes us to get off of foriegn oil and start our way to using all alternative fuels.

Yes. People that need money to support a family should cut prices so they don't have enough. Brilliant. I love the socialist mentality of the democratic party.
If we didn't have so many STUPID environmental laws we could rebuild the oil refineries that have been wiped out and prices wouldn't be so high.

P.S. If Bill Clinton had just let us drill in Alaska for oil 10 years ago we wouldn't be having this problem today either.

LOVE the Democratic party.

[johnx]

Saying it's just a coincidence doesn't prove me wrong. I gave you some facts. Don't get me wrong, I'm not completely blaming Bush for gas prices. But arguing that the Dems are making things worse just doesn't make sense to me.From what I can gather he wasn't blaming the Dems though. He just said that no one party should be totally held responsible. It was both a Republican and Democrat Congress that were involved in rising prices.

[loveisdead]

The Democrats aren't making things worse, the Republicans are I just don't think that either one of them is all to blame for manipulating prices. The market does that.
Well then, after all that.....we agree haha.

[GiggsOho]

Yes. People that need money to support a family should cut prices so they don't have enough. Brilliant. I love the socialist mentality of the democratic party.
If we didn't have so many STUPID environmental laws we could rebuild the oil refineries that have been wiped out and prices wouldn't be so high.

P.S. If Bill Clinton had just let us drill in Alaska for oil 10 years ago we wouldn't be having this problem today either.

LOVE the Democratic party.


You do realize that drilling domestically doesn't mean that the oil will be used domestically? Yeah, do your homework. It's an open global market. Otherwise, we could tell OPEC to go pound sand.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Yes. People that need money to support a family should cut prices so they don't have enough. Brilliant. I love the socialist mentality of the democratic party.
If we didn't have so many STUPID environmental laws we could rebuild the oil refineries that have been wiped out and prices wouldn't be so high.

P.S. If Bill Clinton had just let us drill in Alaska for oil 10 years ago we wouldn't be having this problem today either.

LOVE the Democratic party.
lol you are stupid

By the way I am actually a socialist so that isn't an insult to me but do you really think that relying on a non-renewable resource that is going to completley run out by 2050 is going to get us anywhere? If you do then you are blind. Besides I am for gas help for families if they need it in the form of a loan but with negative interest, if it is necessary for some poorer families.

[johnx]

You do realize that drilling domestically doesn't mean that the oil will be used domestically? Yeah, do your homework. It's an open global market. Otherwise, we could tell OPEC to go pound sand.If we were to one day drill in Alaska, we couldn't use a portion of the oil gained domestically?

[ActionActionFan]

Gas prices have been going up for the last 8 years. Bush and the republicans were in control for 6 of them. Do the fucking math.

This is true but they have really only shot up to rediculous prices since the democrats won congress.

[GiggsOho]

If we were to one day drill in Alaska, we couldn't use a portion of the oil gained domestically?

It goes out on the open market just like any other oil manufactured elsewhere. Think about it, if oil weren't a global commodity, we would have started drilling in Alaska and everywhere else years ago and told OPEC and every other country to piss off, and this problem wouldn't exist. There wouldn't be enough supply from ANWAR to offset climbing prices. It's complete Republican propaganda.

[GiggsOho]

This is true but they have really only shot up to rediculous prices since the democrats won congress.

Even if that were true, (which it's not), Democrats at least tried to do something about it today, and Republicans went "eh, fuck you and your alt-energy hippie shit."

Again, do your homework before your open your mouth and prove that you are an idiot.

[xshady121]

Even if that were true, (which it's not), Democrats at least tried to do something about it today, and Republicans went "eh, fuck you and your alt-energy hippie shit."

Again, do your homework before your open your mouth and prove that you are an idiot.

According to http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_history.html,

Gas went from 1.50 on 11/6/00, to 2.18 on 11/6/06

Under the democratic congress, it went from 2.18 on 11/6/06 to over 4.00 this week.

70 cents over the course of six years with republicans, than 1.80 with the democrats in under 2? I don't see how in the above quoted post you could even attempt to say that the democrats aren't at fault here. To place the blame solely on Bush is ridiculous.

And please, "do your homework" to try and tell me my math is wrong.

[GiggsOho]

According to http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_history.html,

Gas went from 1.50 on 11/6/00, to 2.18 on 11/6/06

Under the democratic congress, it went from 2.18 on 11/6/06 to over 4.00 this week.

70 cents over the course of six years with republicans, than 1.80 with the democrats in under 2? I don't see how in the above quoted post you could even attempt to say that the democrats aren't at fault here. To place the blame solely on Bush is ridiculous.

And please, "do your homework" to try and tell me my math is wrong.

First off, I never said Bush was solely to blame for it. RepublicanS. That's right, plural.

I am saying Republicans want to sit on their hands and not change things because Bush's administration is funded by donations from oil companies. That's a fact, don't even try to debate me on that one. He's taking care of his constituents that wrote him a check.

And since you are so handy with government websites, go find me the Democratic-backed legislation that can be attributed to gas prices skyrocketing since they took control of Congress. Go on, I'll wait...

[AP_Punk]

Reagan forever!!

[xshady121]

First off, I never said Bush was solely to blame for it. RepublicanS. That's right, plural.

I am saying Republicans want to sit on their hands and not change things because Bush's administration is funded by donations from oil companies. That's a fact, don't even try to debate me on that one. He's taking care of his constituents that wrote him a check.

And since you are so handy with government websites, go find me the Democratic-backed legislation that can be attributed to gas prices skyrocketing since they took control of Congress. Go on, I'll wait...

1) No, you never said Bush solely. That was more for this quote.

Gas prices have been going up for the last 8 years. Bush and the republicans were in control for 6 of them. Do the fucking math.

2) You also said "Even if that were true, (which it's not), Democrats at least tried to do something about it today, and Republicans went "eh, fuck you and your alt-energy hippie shit.", when told that the prices went up more under the dems then the republicans. You clearly didn't do your homework and were wrong in your statement.

Democratic backed legislation? Why bother? I concede that some of this is due to a weak (and failed) foreign policy by Bush. But it also is due to the ridiculous taxes on gas too. And to be honest with you, I'm not going to look up all the various state taxes when I already agree with you on the failed foreign policy. My main beef with you was that you were quick to say it wasn't true (above) when it was.

[GiggsOho]

1) No, you never said Bush solely. That was more for this quote.



2) You also said "Even if that were true, (which it's not), Democrats at least tried to do something about it today, and Republicans went "eh, fuck you and your alt-energy hippie shit.", when told that the prices went up more under the dems then the republicans. You clearly didn't do your homework and were wrong in your statement.

Democratic backed legislation? Why bother? I concede that some of this is due to a weak (and failed) foreign policy by Bush. But it also is due to the ridiculous taxes on gas too. And to be honest with you, I'm not going to look up all the various state taxes when I already agree with you on the failed foreign policy. My main beef with you was that you were quick to say it wasn't true (above) when it was.

But the state taxes have been in place since you and I and anyone else for that matter have been driving. I'm not going to blame a democrat (or republican for that matter) for instituting taxes when gas was $1/gal, when the price of oil has been climbing, and then have rumors of an oil syndicate working on driving the cost of futures up, and then having Republicans turn a blind eye when legislation is presented to actually do something about it.

[xshady121]

http://www.dailyfueleconomytip.com/miscellaneous/president-bush-and-gasoline-prices/

Your looking at that all wrong. Of course gas prices have gone up exponentially the past 8 years, and it has been the highest percentage of increase under any president. But that isn't merely due to this presidents foreign policy, but also because of the growing economies in India and China. There is such a demand for oil now, that to compare the prices to even ten years ago isn't fair.

Also, for you to quote that site, gas was only, around 3.00 when that was posted last summer. Now it is around 4.09 average, based upon all gas. That is a significant increase in 2 years under the dems than the republicans in 6. Not trying to place the blame on any one party, but just telling you that you need to do some better research before arguing that point.

[CrenshawPunch]

1) Democratic backed legislation? Why bother? I concede that some of this is due to a weak (and failed) foreign policy by Bush. But it also is due to the ridiculous taxes on gas too. And to be honest with you, I'm not going to look up all the various state taxes when I already agree with you on the failed foreign policy. My main beef with you was that you were quick to say it wasn't true (above) when it was.

What about it is failed? The Taliban and well as al-qaedas presence are all but destroyed in Afghanistan, and violence in Iraq is at an all-time low. You can attribute this to the cease-fire set in effect by the militatns, but the bottom line is, they do not want to figh us because they get fucked every time they do. The facts speak for themselves.

[CrenshawPunch]

But the state taxes have been in place since you and I and anyone else for that matter have been driving. I'm not going to blame a democrat (or republican for that matter) for instituting taxes when gas was $1/gal, when the price of oil has been climbing, and then have rumors of an oil syndicate working on driving the cost of futures up, and then having Republicans turn a blind eye when legislation is presented to actually do something about it.

It won't do anything. Most if not all alternative energy sources are not cost-effective. Remember how bio-feuls took a beating a few weeks ago because of how inefficeint and wasteful they are? When there is money to made in alternative energy, and it is cost effective to the consumer, then it will come about. Right now, the drain on the average american that alternative feuls present are simply not worth it.

[CrenshawPunch]

lol you are stupid

By the way I am actually a socialist so that isn't an insult to me but do you really think that relying on a non-renewable resource that is going to completley run out by 2050 is going to get us anywhere? If you do then you are blind. Besides I am for gas help for families if they need it in the form of a loan but with negative interest, if it is necessary for some poorer families.

Where does that money come from?

[lauren<3s music]

According to http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_history.html,

Gas went from 1.50 on 11/6/00, to 2.18 on 11/6/06

Under the democratic congress, it went from 2.18 on 11/6/06 to over 4.00 this week.

70 cents over the course of six years with republicans, than 1.80 with the democrats in under 2? I don't see how in the above quoted post you could even attempt to say that the democrats aren't at fault here. To place the blame solely on Bush is ridiculous.

And please, "do your homework" to try and tell me my math is wrong.

I'm just going to jump in and say this once. Everyone please pay attention....

Congress has NOTHING to do with gas prices

[ActionActionFan]

Even if that were true, (which it's not), Democrats at least tried to do something about it today, and Republicans went "eh, fuck you and your alt-energy hippie shit."

Again, do your homework before your open your mouth and prove that you are an idiot.

Really so the Republicans wanting to drill for oil in Alaska is doing nothing. It is the democrats who are opposed to drilling in Alaska so they are to blame for the gas prices.

[CrenshawPunch]

I'm just going to jump in and say this once. Everyone please pay attention....

Congress has NOTHING to do with gas prices


The taxes on gas they pass definitely do.

[ActionActionFan]

I'm just going to jump in and say this once. Everyone please pay attention....

Congress has NOTHING to do with gas prices

http://www.newsmax.com/hostetter/anwr_oil_senate/2008/05/14/96049.html

[lauren<3s music]

The taxes on gas they pass definitely do.

the gas tax is so minor compared to the markup oil company's place. you want to figure out why gas prices are so high, find out why these companies are pulling in 400% profits every quarter.

[lauren<3s music]

http://www.newsmax.com/hostetter/anwr_oil_senate/2008/05/14/96049.html


drilling in the arctic doesn't equal gas prices ass.

[GiggsOho]

It won't do anything. Most if not all alternative energy sources are not cost-effective. Remember how bio-feuls took a beating a few weeks ago because of how inefficeint and wasteful they are? When there is money to made in alternative energy, and it is cost effective to the consumer, then it will come about. Right now, the drain on the average american that alternative feuls present are simply not worth it.

The legislation didn't kill alternative fuels, it killed the tax breaks that companies who are trying to make alt-fuel cost-effective that much more in the red, as they have to fight to pay taxes. It's making an uphill battle against oil companies that much harder to fight.

Really so the Republicans wanting to drill for oil in Alaska is doing nothing. It is the democrats who are opposed to drilling in Alaska so they are to blame for the gas prices.


Every post that I have read from you in these forms is completely fucking stupid. I covered this already, moron.

[CrenshawPunch]

the gas tax is so minor compared to the markup oil company's place. you want to figure out why gas prices are so high, find out why these companies are pulling in 400% profits every quarter.

Its simple economics really. China and India are industrializing at a rpid pace, requiring more and more feuls. Last I checked, those 2 countries account for 1/3 of the earth's population. You sell more things, you see hire profits. Oil companies do not set the price of crude oil, the market does.

[ActionActionFan]

drilling in the arctic doesn't equal gas prices ass.

You're right more oil = no effect on gas prices. huh who knew

[ActionActionFan]

The legislation didn't kill alternative fuels, it killed the tax breaks that companies who are trying to make alt-fuel cost-effective that much more in the red, as they have to fight to pay taxes. It's making an uphill battle against oil companies that much harder to fight.




Every post that I have read from you in these forms is completely fucking stupid. I covered this already, moron.

Atleast I'm developing a reputation. lol

[CrenshawPunch]

drilling in the arctic doesn't equal gas prices ass.

He's not completely wrong. Once again, its simple supply and demand. You add more product into the market and prices will fall. So technically drilling and producing more oil would lower prices. Its like when Rome conquered Judea and flooded the slave market with so many slaves that humans sold for less money than beasts of burden.

[lauren<3s music]

Its simple economics really. China and India are industrializing at a rpid pace, requiring more and more feuls. Last I checked, those 2 countries account for 1/3 of the earth's population. You sell more things, you see hire profits. Oil companies do not set the price of crude oil, the market does.

Actually, oil is not a free market. maybe you skipped that day of econ class where oligopolies were discussed...

You're right more oil = no effect on gas prices. huh who knew

I'm well versed in supply and demand, but its a temporary solution

[saysmydoctor]

You're right more oil = no effect on gas prices. huh who knew
:rotfl:

Why don't you drink some oil and do us all a favor?

[x togepi x]

Really so the Republicans wanting to drill for oil in Alaska is doing nothing. It is the democrats who are opposed to drilling in Alaska so they are to blame for the gas prices.

You're a fucking moron.

Gas prices are so high because of many social, economic and cultural factors, many of which the democrats or the republicans have no control over. Yeah, it's totally the democrats fault that people like driving too much. All those people buying gas guzzling SUVs in the past few years were forced by the democrats.

[doubletrue]

blaming this issue on any one group/party/individual is the easy way out. it's easier to put blame on someone than to realize hundreds of factors are in play that made things the way they are, because if thats the case, it's gonna be tough shit to fix. as opposed to just removing that group/party/individual from power as a solution.

[nerdvglc]

i think i, as most are, am centrist. i suppose i am to the right on some issues, but i don't care about most things. i am a humanist in that you should do what you want so long as it doesn't truly affect anyone else. abortion doesn't fuck up other people's stuff. gay marriage won't make me chug cock. i don't care. i think if it has no real bearing on others it should not be governed. however, my personal beliefs are to the right on most issues, i just think the government shouldn't interfere in trivial matters. i don't want anyone to tell me how to live my life and i will do the same. i think that's how it should be.

[loveisdead]

2) You also said "Even if that were true, (which it's not), Democrats at least tried to do something about it today, and Republicans went "eh, fuck you and your alt-energy hippie shit.", when told that the prices went up more under the dems then the republicans. You clearly didn't do your homework and were wrong in your statement.

Democratic backed legislation? Why bother? I concede that some of this is due to a weak (and failed) foreign policy by Bush. But it also is due to the ridiculous taxes on gas too. And to be honest with you, I'm not going to look up all the various state taxes when I already agree with you on the failed foreign policy. My main beef with you was that you were quick to say it wasn't true (above) when it was.

I never said that, nor would I ever.

[CrenshawPunch]

Just to bring the discussion back to gas prices...

http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/The_U.S._Poised_to_hit_New_Oil_Gush er_080317.html


For comparison, Saudi Arabia largest oil field stands at 55 billion barrels. If we got at this stuff, prices would fall incredibly fast. Which ever candidate jumps on this is going to win the election, I'm calling it now.

[asmolitor]

so surprising to hear the whole "bush caused everything that is wrong in this country" on this forum.

i hear that sentiment on a daily basis, and it never fails to irk me.

lol you are stupid

By the way I am actually a socialist so that isn't an insult to me but do you really think that relying on a non-renewable resource that is going to completley run out by 2050 is going to get us anywhere? If you do then you are blind. Besides I am for gas help for families if they need it in the form of a loan but with negative interest, if it is necessary for some poorer families.

negative amortization? so they have to pay more in the long run as differences in interest get tacked on to the outstanding loan balance? really? the solution is to make them even worse off in the long run that they might already be?

http://www.newsmax.com/hostetter/anwr_oil_senate/2008/05/14/96049.html
You're right more oil = no effect on gas prices. huh who knew

ANWR has 10+ billion barrels, but the infrastructure needed to start producing ample quantities of oil would take 10+ years if approved today.

Just to bring the discussion back to gas prices...

http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/The_U.S._Poised_to_hit_New_Oil_Gush er_080317.html


For comparison, Saudi Arabia largest oil field stands at 55 billion barrels. If we got at this stuff, prices would fall incredibly fast. Which ever candidate jumps on this is going to win the election, I'm calling it now.

my god, thank you - i was just about to bring this up in the heat of the ANWR chat. it's surprising how many people know about ANWR, but hardly anyone notices the secret reserve that lies partly in north dakota, partly in canada. last article i read on it claimed it held 5-7x more oil that ANWR. but it's north dakota, so that's essentially why no one cares.

[open mind]

What about it is failed? The Taliban and well as al-qaedas presence are all but destroyed in Afghanistan, and violence in Iraq is at an all-time low. You can attribute this to the cease-fire set in effect by the militatns, but the bottom line is, they do not want to figh us because they get fucked every time they do. The facts speak for themselves.

are you high? the taliban is not all but destroyed in afghanistan. they've been growing steadily in recent years......thanks to the exploding heroin trade there (which despite all the flaws the taliban have they discouraged until they decided to use it for funding)
forgetting the fact that we now know that iraq wasn't really a threat to begin with violence in iraq is not at an all time low. there was less violence in that country before we went in, and only counting attacks on u.s. troops and interests ignores iraqi on iraqi violence.

[open mind]

Really so the Republicans wanting to drill for oil in Alaska is doing nothing. It is the democrats who are opposed to drilling in Alaska so they are to blame for the gas prices.

i'll do you the favor of ignoring the negative enviormental, financial and cultural effects the oil companies have caused with the oil spills up here and concentrate on your poorly thought out point.
drilling in alaska has been going on for decades......you're thinking about ANWR i'm sure, but that would not have an effect on today's prices even if it had started back when it was originally proposed.......and it's just a band aid approach that wouldn't put much of a dent in meeting demand (or prices) even if there's as much oil in ANWR as some have projected.
more oil is not the long term answer to the energy crisis and it's not a great answer short term either, coal technology has advanced far enough that it burns just as clean if not cleaner then gas and we've got shitloads of it.......but in the long term renewable alternative energies are gonna be needed.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Where does that money come from?
People who pay taxes. Yeah I already know what you are going to say but this will come from the rich and yes it is a form of smart wealth distribution to balance out the economy.

[GuitarR0cker1]

The taxes on gas they pass definitely do.
The gas tax is hardly worth anything. Try again.

[AnarchyintheUS]

I would consider myself somewhere between a Progressive Libertarian and a Christian Anarchist. Depends what kind of mood I'm in.

[CrenshawPunch]

are you high? the taliban is not all but destroyed in afghanistan. they've been growing steadily in recent years......thanks to the exploding heroin trade there (which despite all the flaws the taliban have they discouraged until they decided to use it for funding)
forgetting the fact that we now know that iraq wasn't really a threat to begin with violence in iraq is not at an all time low. there was less violence in that country before we went in, and only counting attacks on u.s. troops and interests ignores iraqi on iraqi violence.

It is since we've been there, I thought that was pretty obvious. And no, it doesn't ignore that. Additionally, it can hardly be called Iraqi on Iraqi violence, since most of the fighters are coming from Syria and Iran.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/25/2254769.htm?section=justin

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080530/pl_nm/usa_qaeda_cia_dc


Give me sources for your facts, otherwise I call bullshit.

People who pay taxes. Yeah I already know what you are going to say but this will come from the rich and yes it is a form of smart wealth distribution to balance out the economy.

Every system throughout history that has ever tried "smart" wealth distribution has failed. America is not the most successful and wealthy country in the history of the earth because of socialist programs.



The gas tax is hardly worth anything. Try again.


http://www.californiagasprices.com/tax_info.aspx

Seems worth quite a bit to me. Try again.

[DaveEatWorld]

i'm a Republican.

[se1046]

i just have to give props to crenshaw for stating the obvious about the socialist movement in the U.S. We could all learn something from the socialist countries that are struggling to make ends meat. Socialism leads to communism which leads to situations like China is in. POVERTY.

[se1046]

1. Socialism has never led to communism. Communism has always come in straight away, there has never been a drift, always an instant upheavel.

2. The countries that actually employ socialism or as close as we have, nations like Sweden and so on are actually doing great right now.

3. Poverty is hardly synonymous with communism, capitalism or socialism. Most of the world lives in poverty.

4. China has actually moved significantly away from communism and is really no longer a communist country, although many would argue it never was.

5. Additionally don't pretend the revolution caused the poverty in China, it may have done little to help it but China was a poverty stricken feudalist mess before the revolution.

I am not a socialist, however, in my opinion the only way we can really see the potential of socialism is in a post capitalist society. Throwing socialism over a pre industrial shitty country and complaining because the country still sucks is ridiculous, of course it will.

The real test will be running a socialist economy on a developed nation, which through the testament of Sweden is actually quite successful.



I've never seen a successful socialist country. I would hate to live in Sweden. Their socialist agenda is costing the government tons of money making taxes incredibly high. America is in enough debt as it is.


When the government has its hand on every single thing they can get their hands on it's only so long before that socialism or "democracy" leads to totalitarianism. That's happened plenty.

Additionally, China may not have been the richest country in the world, but their communist agenda took from the poor and gave to the rich. That's not how I want my money spent. This is exactly why I don't want more of my tax dollars to support the welfare of those that are capable of getting jobs but choose not to to mooch off of the government. Socialism leads to higher taxes because the people have to pay for everything for everyone else. I want to keep what I earn and give it to those who truly need it.

[CrenshawPunch]

1. Socialism has never led to communism. Communism has always come in straight away, there has never been a drift, always an instant upheavel.

2. The countries that actually employ socialism or as close as we have, nations like Sweden and so on are actually doing great right now.

3. Poverty is hardly synonymous with communism, capitalism or socialism. Most of the world lives in poverty.

4. China has actually moved significantly away from communism and is really no longer a communist country, although many would argue it never was.

5. Additionally don't pretend the revolution caused the poverty in China, it may have done little to help it but China was a poverty stricken feudalist mess before the revolution.

I am not a socialist, however, in my opinion the only way we can really see the potential of socialism is in a post capitalist society. Throwing socialism over a pre industrial shitty country and complaining because the country still sucks is ridiculous, of course it will.

The real test will be running a socialist economy on a developed nation, which through the testament of Sweden is actually quite successful.

Damn, that was a good breakdown.

Doesn't socialism require the benefits of capitalism in order for it to succeed though? Over time those benefits would be lost, would they not?

[open mind]

It is since we've been there, I thought that was pretty obvious. And no, it doesn't ignore that. Additionally, it can hardly be called Iraqi on Iraqi violence, since most of the fighters are coming from Syria and Iran.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/25/2254769.htm?section=justin

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080530/pl_nm/usa_qaeda_cia_dc


Give me sources for your facts, otherwise I call bullshit.

only including "since we've been there" is bullshit that discounts all past history in the country. even the most generous of estimates on the number of foreign fighters in the insurgency say they only account for about 10%.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/16/AR2005111602519.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html
concerning the resurgence of the taliban......
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html

[CrenshawPunch]

only including "since we've been there" is bullshit that discounts all past history in the country. even the most generous of estimates on the number of foreign fighters in the insurgency say they only account for about 10%.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/16/AR2005111602519.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/16/AR2005111602519.html)
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html (http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html)
concerning the resurgence of the taliban......
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html


Both from 2005. Fail.


Read this. Its actually from this year.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2008-03-20-fighters_N.htm

[GuitarR0cker1]

1. Socialism has never led to communism. Communism has always come in straight away, there has never been a drift, always an instant upheavel.

2. The countries that actually employ socialism or as close as we have, nations like Sweden and so on are actually doing great right now.

3. Poverty is hardly synonymous with communism, capitalism or socialism. Most of the world lives in poverty.

4. China has actually moved significantly away from communism and is really no longer a communist country, although many would argue it never was.

5. Additionally don't pretend the revolution caused the poverty in China, it may have done little to help it but China was a poverty stricken feudalist mess before the revolution.

I am not a socialist, however, in my opinion the only way we can really see the potential of socialism is in a post capitalist society. Throwing socialism over a pre industrial shitty country and complaining because the country still sucks is ridiculous, of course it will.

The real test will be running a socialist economy on a developed nation, which through the testament of Sweden is actually quite successful.
Everything that you said is completley right.

[open mind]

Both from 2005. Fail.


Read this. Its actually from this year.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2008-03-20-fighters_N.htm

you must be high dude..........there's no other way to account for your position that the insurgency is mostly made up of foreign fighters when you yourself site articles that say they only make up 10% of the fighters and of that 10% many are leaving.

[CrenshawPunch]

you must be high dude..........there's no other way to account for your position that the insurgency is mostly made up of foreign fighters when you yourself site articles that say they only make up 10% of the fighters and of that 10% many are leaving.

*cite

It was more of a demonstration about proper source citing. But I concede that point to you. I must be "high".

[open mind]

*cite

It was more of a demonstration about proper source citing. But I concede that point to you. I muts be "high".

site is an exceptable spelling of the word, kinda like colour and color.
your either high or a complete fucking moron that enjoys making self defeating arguments.

edit.........i guess you were right about the improper use of site......it should have been cite.

[AnarchyintheUS]

But their economy is booming and the Scandinavian people are almost always considered among the happiest on earth.


Dude, Scandinavians have some of the highest rates of depression and alcoholism in Europe.

[AnarchyintheUS]

site is an exceptable spelling of the word, kinda like colour and color.
your either high or a complete fucking moron that enjoys making self defeating arguments.

Dude, tighten up on the spelling there, especially if you are giving lectures about it.

[saysmydoctor]

Dude, Scandinavians have some of the highest rates of depression and alcoholism in Europe.
Prove that?

[open mind]

Dude, tighten up on the spelling there, especially if you are giving lectures about it.

i wasn't lecturing, just responding to a mostly inconsequential and diverting remark.
but yes, i should have used you're and cite.........what that has to do with the rest of this discussion i don't know.

[CrenshawPunch]

site is an exceptable spelling of the word, kinda like colour and color.
your either high or a complete fucking moron that enjoys making self defeating arguments.

edit.........i guess you were right about the improper use of site......it should have been cite.


Lol. Keep it up with the name calling, it really helps your argument.

[CrenshawPunch]

i wasn't lecturing, just responding to a mostly inconsequential remark on the topic at hand.
but yes, i should have used you're and cite.........what that has to do with the topic at hand i don't know.


Nothing. I already conceded the point to you.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Dude, Scandinavians have some of the highest rates of depression and alcoholism in Europe.
You don't fucking know anything. That is because they have longer nights and it is a scientific fact that that makes people more depressed, which leads to more alcoholism etc.

[open mind]

Lol. Keep it up with the name calling, it really helps your argument.

it hurts my argument.......but it doesn't matter with the facts supporting my side of the argument.
if you've got anything more to say that doesn't concern my argument style or improper use of grammar and deals with the real topic at hand i'll be happy to hear it.

[AnarchyintheUS]

i wasn't lecturing, just responding to a mostly inconsequential and diverting remark.
but yes, i should have used you're and cite.........what that has to do with the rest of this discussion i don't know.

I was mostly referring to "exceptable". = acceptable?

[AnarchyintheUS]

You don't fucking know anything. That is because they have longer nights and it is a scientific fact that that makes people more depressed, which leads to more alcoholism etc.

Um, I wasn't making a point about the causes of their depression rates. I know the causes.

I was simply pointing out that the other guy wrongly stated they are considered the happiest countries.

So what is your point, idiot?

[GuitarR0cker1]

Um, I wasn't making a point about the causes of their depression rates. I know the causes.

I was simply pointing out that the other guy wrongly stated they are considered the happiest countries.

So what is your point, idiot?
Well never mind sorry, it is just that I hate people using that kind of shit as justification that socialism sucks.

[open mind]

I was mostly referring to "exceptable". = acceptable?

haha yeah, that was improper to. i generally don't proof read my posts so you'll have to excuse the occasional spelling and grammar mistakes.

[AnarchyintheUS]

Well never mind sorry, it is just that I hate people using that kind of shit as justification that socialism sucks.

No problem, and I know the Scandinavian countries do top a lot of polls of "who feels happiest", but I don't know how reliable they really are. And, the depression rates don't lie either.

So, who the fuck knows... I wouldn't think it is all down to socialism either, probably more to do with the fact they are small, underpopulated, affluent, homogeneous countries.

[saysmydoctor]

Proof please?

[GuitarR0cker1]

No problem, and I know the Scandinavian countries do top a lot of polls of who feels happiest, but the depression rates don't lie either.

So, who the fuck knows... I wouldn't think it is all down to socialism either, probably more to do with the fact they are underpopulated, affluent, homogeneous populations.
That is very true. Generally the affluent seem to say they are happy on the outside but generally seem to have psycological problems for personal reasons or work stress.

[lauren<3s music]

Proof please?

obama/warner '08

[saysmydoctor]

obama/warner '08
And of Webb, who I like much more.

[lauren<3s music]

And of Webb, who I like much more.

yes but i think it'll be harder to get two dem senators in vs. just one.

[saysmydoctor]

Former Governor though

[GuitarR0cker1]

obama/warner '08
Warner would be the perfect Vice-Presidential candidate but we need him as a Senator, because I don't think anyone could stand a Senator Gilmore of Virginia.

[lauren<3s music]

Warner would be the perfect Vice-Presidential candidate but we need him as a Senator, because I don't think anyone could stand a Senator Gilmore of Virginia.

gilmore wouldn't get it anyways.

[GuitarR0cker1]

gilmore wouldn't get it anyways.
I don't know, it would be way too close for comfort though. It depends who would run against him. I think if the Democrats drafted Deeds to run against him it would be another easy win. Then again because of Virginia's stupid term limit rules, that might not be smart either. I don't want a Republican governor of Virginia either.