Change or stability?

[i♥dipthong]

Which should America go for: change or stability? Should we have a minor revolution (economic, social, etc.) or should we slowly and carefully try to resolve all those issues that have been cropping up recently? What does this country need?

[BruisedxBroken]

Fuck a revolution, I'll settle for cheap gas and legal weed...

[Machu505]

Viva la Revolution

[jay_klinkhammer]

Fuck a revolution, I'll settle for cheap gas and legal weed.

yes.

[Dan1234]

cheaper gas, cheaper hospital bills, legalize weed, legalize prostitution, legalize gay marraige, make it illegal for people to get fired over thier personal lives, and make the Coca Cola Company create a Cherry Mr. Pibb



shit

[nerdvglc]

i think if we changed our attitude then everything would work itself out. if the government stopped spending billions of dollars on issues that deal with what should be personal decisions and just simply chill the fuck out that would be the start of everything getting better. let's get out of countries that hate us and take care of our own problems first.

i sound like a hippie... maybe i am not the conservative republican i once was.

[rob_mylo]

cheaper gas, cheaper hospital bills, legalize weed, legalize prostitution, legalize gay marraige, make it illegal for people to get fired over thier personal lives, and make the Coca Cola Company create a Cherry Mr. Pibb



shit

amen

[aidan1029]

amen

I can understand everything but the prostitution...that's just gross.

[rob_mylo]

I can understand everything but the prostitution...that's just gross.

heh. yeah, I'd have to agree.

[GoodTimes]

america needs love. sweet love

[Dan1234]

I can understand everything but the prostitution...that's just gross.

That's an opinion, which you're entitled to. However it being "gross" should have nothing to do with it's legality.

People trying to control other people's lives.....now that's just gross.

[BruisedxBroken]

That's an opinion, which you're entitled to. However it being "gross" should have nothing to do with it's legality.

People trying to control other people's lives.....now that's just gross.

Seriously, who doesn't like a good hooker every now and again (and again)...

[etheritcher]

im not sure radical change right now would help much...it might just throw everything even more out of wack than it already is.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Fuck stablility we have seen how good that does people.

[mofizzle.]

cheaper gas, cheaper hospital bills, legalize weed, legalize prostitution, legalize gay marraige, make it illegal for people to get fired over thier personal lives, and make the Coca Cola Company create a Cherry Mr. Pibb



shit



Somebody is in their right mind.
<3

[saving jonathan]

As much as I'm not against burning down some marijuana, legalizing the stuff isn't going to do any good. It would only complicate things, in my opinion.

I don't see why so many people want that. Sure, it'd be convenient, but it's not like you started liking weed by not doing it. If you want to smoke it, it's not hard to get some and do it.

[mofizzle.]

As much as I'm not against burning down some marijuana, legalizing the stuff isn't going to do any good. It would only complicate things, in my opinion.

I don't see why so many people want that. Sure, it'd be convenient, but it's not like you started liking weed by not doing it. If you want to smoke it, it's not hard to get some and do it.


an insane amount of people are in jail because of it, its fucking retarted.
legalizing it would be better.

[Dan1234]

an insane amount of people are in jail because of it, its fucking retarted.
legalizing it would be better.

legalizing it would also make it to where people don't have to give head to get it(maybe not weed, but most certainly harder drugs)

it would also be cheaper, so people wouldn't have to rob others in order to get money to feed thier habits, and there would be greater emphasis for rehabilitation. Shhhh, don't tell conservatives

[saving jonathan]

an insane amount of people are in jail because of it, its fucking retarted.
legalizing it would be better.

If you never smoke it, you wouldn't be put in jail for it. That's a choice you make. It's not "fucking retarded", it's the law.

[i♥dipthong]

in some countries, marijuana is legal, but regulated. in belgium, for example, it is legal to smoke marijuana and possess it in small quantities, as long as you're not a minor or smoking in the presence of minors. the only goofy part of the law is that you can't buy it or sell it. but you can grow it!

[coltenTALK]

Get down for the revolution

[mofizzle.]

If you never smoke it, you wouldn't be put in jail for it. That's a choice you make. It's not "fucking retarded", it's the law.

theres no point to the law. alcohol and cigs are BOTH worse for you then smoking weed is. i know DOCTORS who smoke weed. It's not a big deal,
its stupid to be put in jail for that.
its insane. thats why we make up a crazy huge amount of people in jail in the world,
because stupid laws like that.


LEGALIZE THAT SHIT, MAN.

[John JD Dorian]

As much as I'm not against burning down some marijuana, legalizing the stuff isn't going to do any good. It would only complicate things, in my opinion.

I don't see why so many people want that. Sure, it'd be convenient, but it's not like you started liking weed by not doing it. If you want to smoke it, it's not hard to get some and do it.

the issue here is that we pour a ridiculous amount of resources into catching small-time drug pushers, and the competition between these same pushers leads to violence everywhere.

i personally don't smoke weed, i find it disgusting, offensive, and low, but i feel the same way about people who are yankees fans. that shouldn't make it illegal.

[mofizzle.]

the issue here is that we pour a ridiculous amount of resources into catching small-time drug pushers, and the competition between these same pushers leads to violence everywhere.

i personally don't smoke weed, i find it disgusting, offensive, and low, but i feel the same way about people who are yankees fans. that shouldn't make it illegal.

how do you find weed offensive and low?

[Dan1234]

If you never smoke it, you wouldn't be put in jail for it. That's a choice you make. It's not "fucking retarded", it's the law.

So you would be ok with just any law they made simply because "it's the law". What if they made eating macaroni illegal and then started putting tons of people in jail for it??? You would be ok with that under your "it's the law!" mentality

[saving jonathan]

theres no point to the law. alcohol and cigs are BOTH worse for you then smoking weed is. i know DOCTORS who smoke weed. It's not a big deal,
its stupid to be put in jail for that.
its insane. thats why we make up a crazy huge amount of people in jail in the world,
because stupid laws like that.


LEGALIZE THAT SHIT, MAN.


I never said it's a big deal. I said it's the law.
The flaw in your argument is that you don't present any reasoning. You can't call something "stupid" and expect for that to make what you're saying credible.

I'm done arguing after this. It comes down to this much. If you want to go smoke weed, go smoke weed. If you get "thrown in jail" for smoking weed, then you get "thrown in jail" for smoking weed.

[mofizzle.]

So you would be ok with just any law they made simply because "it's the law". What if they made eating macaroni illegal and then started putting tons of people in jail for it??? You would be ok with that under your "it's the law!" mentality


i'd still eat my macaroni like there is no tomorow..the law wouldnt stop me!
haha.
macaroni is good shit man.

[mofizzle.]

I never said it's a big deal. I said it's the law.
The flaw in your argument is that you don't present any reasoning. You can't call something "stupid" and expect for that to make what you're saying credible.

I'm done arguing after this. It comes down to this much. If you want to go smoke weed, go smoke weed. If you get "thrown in jail" for smoking weed, then you get "thrown in jail" for smoking weed.

it's stupid because normal people who could have gone places in life are shoved in jail, for simple smoking a plant. They aren't hurting ANYBODY around them, so leave them alone.

Out of all drugs, weed is like the least toxic of them all.

[saving jonathan]

So you would be ok with just any law they made simply because "it's the law". What if they made eating macaroni illegal and then started putting tons of people in jail for it??? You would be ok with that under your "it's the law!" mentality


Is that what I said? No, I didn't think so.
If they made eating macaroni illegal and you eat macaroni, what I mean is don't be fucking surprised if you get thrown in fucking jail for it.
I never said all laws were right or wrong. I said it's the law, whether you abide by it or not.

[saving jonathan]

it's stupid because normal people who could have gone places in life are shoved in jail, for simple smoking a plant. They aren't hurting ANYBODY around them, so leave them alone.

Out of all drugs, weed is like the least toxic of them all.


I can't believe I keep aruging about this, but it's just what I do.

For any "normal people who could have gone places in life" who got "thrown in jail" they don't have anyone to blame but themselves. No one forced them to light that shit.
I'm not saying weed is a horrible thing, I know it's a harmless crime. I also know kids who waste their fucking lives sitting in their parents basements getting high everyday instead of making something of themselves. So I guess you could argue that without any weed, maybe those kids would have "gone places in life" too.

But it's their choice, no matter what.

[mofizzle.]

I can't believe I keep aruging about this, but it's just what I do.

For any "normal people who could have gone places in life" who got "thrown in jail" they don't have anyone to blame but themselves. No one forced them to light that shit.
I'm not saying weed is a horrible thing, I know it's a harmless crime. I also know kids who waste their fucking lives sitting in their parents basements getting high everyday instead of making something of themselves. So I guess you could argue that without any weed, maybe those kids would have "gone places in life" too.

But it's their choice, no matter what.

Maybe, but it's their own fault that they let it take over their lives.
Now, the people who were going places in life are now stuck in jail because of a stupid law.

[saving jonathan]

Maybe, but it's their own fault that they let it take over their lives.
Now, the people who were going places in life are now stuck in jail because of a stupid law.

You're right. It's their own fault.
Just like it is your own fault when you get stuck in jail for smoking weed. Even if you think it's a "stupid law".

Goodnight.

[mofizzle.]

You're right. It's their own fault.
Just like it is your own fault when you get stuck in jail for smoking weed. Even if you think it's a "stupid law".

Goodnight.

it's their fault because they cant control themselves, but its not fair to punish people that can.

[briewer]

America's just too fucked to be changed. We need to tear down the entire structure and entity that is America, physical and metaphysical, and rebuild from the ground up. What we're suggesting now is the equivalent of giving Charles Manson a haircut and thinking that he'll become a sane person. We need to do a lotttttttt of work if we hope to see any real change in this country. A change in the media, change from our obsession with physical objects, change from our chase after the almighty dollar, change from our instant hatred of anyone even slightly different than us, change from competition with our fellow man when their is easily enough for everyone, change from our empty need to have everyone agree with everything we say or hate them for not doing so. Don't mean to rain on Obama's parade, and the fact that he's even a viable candidate says something for our country, but change is a HUGE undertaking in a country as fucked as this one.

[briewer]

I never said it's a big deal. I said it's the law.
The flaw in your argument is that you don't present any reasoning. You can't call something "stupid" and expect for that to make what you're saying credible.

The burden is not upon the citizen to prove that something should be legal. This is a democracy, meaning that everything is inherently legal until the state deems certain acts harmful for the good of society. There is not sufficient proof of that, therefore it should be legal. It not my job as a citizen to go and ask the authorities whether I can do something or not, they need to be asking me, through the representatives that I elect and that see to my rights, whether it is reasonable for them to deem something wrong and therefore illegal. Whether his argument is credible or not is irrelevant, because he's not supposed to be making an argument on the subject, the state is.

[doubletrue]

somewhere in between is what i chose. i can understand both arguments, but "doing nothing" and "changing everything" just doesn't sit right with me. election-wise, i don't like either candidate. i don't see how mccain is at all different than bush in policy, and obama is full of shit with his hatred of "old politics" when he himself plays the same game.

[Dan1234]

Is that what I said? No, I didn't think so.
If they made eating macaroni illegal and you eat macaroni, what I mean is don't be fucking surprised if you get thrown in fucking jail for it.
I never said all laws were right or wrong. I said it's the law, whether you abide by it or not.

So you would be ok with throwing people in jail for eating macaroni????

[saving jonathan]

So you would be ok with throwing people in jail for eating macaroni????


Seriously, learn to read.
Then go ahead and tell where I said anything of that sort.

[Dan1234]

Seriously, learn to read.
Then go ahead and tell where I said anything of that sort.

Well you've used the law as the source for your arguement. And it seems as if you don't really care about what the law is, if people break it you say they deserve whatever punishment they get.

So i ask the question.... if they made macaroni illegal, you would be ok with them throwing people in jail for eating macaroni??? I mean, according to your logic it would be the law and they would deserve it for breaking it right? So you would be ok with throwing people in jail for eating macaroni???


And on a side note, you seem very bitter over people having opinions that are different than your's. You're the only person that's insulting people. That's not gonna get anyone to agree with you. Maybe we should ignore another law and get you a hooker or something, cuz from the looks of things, it might do you a whole lotta good.

[saving jonathan]

Well you've used the law as the source for your arguement. And it seems as if you don't really care about what the law is, if people break it you say they deserve whatever punishment they get.

So i ask the question.... if they made macaroni illegal, you would be ok with them throwing people in jail for eating macaroni??? I mean, according to your logic it would be the law and they would deserve it for breaking it right? So you would be ok with throwing people in jail for eating macaroni???


And on a side note, you seem very bitter over people having opinions that are different than your's. You're the only person that's insulting people. That's not gonna get anyone to agree with you. Maybe we should ignore another law and get you a hooker or something, cuz from the looks of things, it might do you a whole lotta good.

First off, let me reiterate the point that I am not against smoking marijuana. I have done it several times before and I'm sure I will do it again. I hold nothing against anyone who does it nor am I for anyone being thrown in jail because of it. I do ask that people take responsibility for their actions if they get caught, and try not to blame the "stupid law" (may it be) or government for their trouble. I ask that because it is the law, right or wrong, and if you don't obey it you are subject to the legal system, just like anyone else. No one forces you to do weed, so if you get caught don't blame anyone else.

On my side note, please don't make me out to be bitter. I'm one of the most understanding and open-minded people you would ever meet.
I did not insult anyone, if I offended you I'm sorry. I just didn't like you trying to put words in my mouth. I started an argument with some girl on here about the subject and she wasn't making a lot of sense to me. That's when others started coming at me with other arguments, such as yourself.

As for the last thought I will write in this thread, I wasn't looking for anyone to agree with me. Quite honestly, I could care less if anyone did. I will admit I enjoy a good argument, but I would never take it past that. I've learned that everyone has their own thoughts, ideas and opinions. I'm perfectly ok with that. I'm also perfectly ok with you.

I also don't think I need a hooker. But thank you for the offer.

[Angel Jin]

we need a lot more than just the legalization of marijuana.

legalizing weed won't change anything. people will still go to jail for trafficking the stuff in large quantities or illegally, and kids won't have to go to court for the possession charges or anything like that.

there's a much bigger issue going on. we need to get the hell out of these other countries. period. i respect anyone that's taken up arms and gone thousands of miles away, but it didn't do anything but put the country in debt and send gas prices sky-high.

i feel that we've got a lot of shit on our plates right here in our own backyard. the unemployment rate is going up (and i'm apart of that statistic), the cost of living isn't getting any cheaper, the housing market is pretty much in a free-fall, and on top of all of that, there's still a drug, poverty, obesity, and violence problem...right in our own backyard. so instead of dealing with our problems, we take up in arms and run to other countries to "fix" them because we can't get our shit together at home.

legalizing shit isn't gonna help anything. we need to actually make some real changes here, and not just make it okay to pay for adultery, smoke pot, and marry someone of the same sex. That isn't going to fix the issues i've listed above. that'll make a small percentage of people happy, but the guy asking you for change everyday in the subway will still be there, sleeping on a park bench, with nowhere to call home. People will continue to eat heavily and not be cause in the matter of their health, and then sue McDonald's because they have no self-control or moderation.

and another thing....the whole "the planet is dying" or whatever is going on...yea it's too late to fix that. i've got a lot of friends going vegan, eating healthy, recycling and all that other shit, but fuck it. nobody cared until it was a crisis. they should've worked on a new car battery YEARS AGO but now it's a pressing issue and it's worth 300 million dollars. fuck that. it's too late to undo the damage. we need to look forward and stop trying to clean up because the outlook doesn't look good. right now, we're acting like a kid that's about to get caught having a house party while his parents are away....and they're on their way home right now.

edit: i just read the rest of that page. briewer knocked it out of the park in a lot less sentences than i did.

[SuNDaYSTaR]

Seriously, who doesn't like a good hooker every now and again (and again)...I'll never get tired of these STD's banks.

[BruisedxBroken]

we need a lot more than just the legalization of marijuana.

legalizing weed won't change anything. people will still go to jail for trafficking the stuff in large quantities or illegally, and kids won't have to go to court for the possession charges or anything like that.

there's a much bigger issue going on. we need to get the hell out of these other countries. period. i respect anyone that's taken up arms and gone thousands of miles away, but it didn't do anything but put the country in debt and send gas prices sky-high.

i feel that we've got a lot of shit on our plates right here in our own backyard. the unemployment rate is going up (and i'm apart of that statistic), the cost of living isn't getting any cheaper, the housing market is pretty much in a free-fall, and on top of all of that, there's still a drug, poverty, obesity, and violence problem...right in our own backyard. so instead of dealing with our problems, we take up in arms and run to other countries to "fix" them because we can't get our shit together at home.

legalizing shit isn't gonna help anything. we need to actually make some real changes here, and not just make it okay to pay for adultery, smoke pot, and marry someone of the same sex. That isn't going to fix the issues i've listed above. that'll make a small percentage of people happy, but the guy asking you for change everyday in the subway will still be there, sleeping on a park bench, with nowhere to call home. People will continue to eat heavily and not be cause in the matter of their health, and then sue McDonald's because they have no self-control or moderation.

and another thing....the whole "the planet is dying" or whatever is going on...yea it's too late to fix that. i've got a lot of friends going vegan, eating healthy, recycling and all that other shit, but fuck it. nobody cared until it was a crisis. they should've worked on a new car battery YEARS AGO but now it's a pressing issue and it's worth 300 million dollars. fuck that. it's too late to undo the damage. we need to look forward and stop trying to clean up because the outlook doesn't look good. right now, we're acting like a kid that's about to get caught having a house party while his parents are away....and they're on their way home right now.

edit: i just read the rest of that page. briewer knocked it out of the park in a lot less sentences than i did.

Motherfucker!

You have a lot of free time on those crafty little hands of yours, don't cha?